View Full Version : Dont play horse with 'Sheed
spurscenter
01-08-2008, 08:03 PM
The Scouting Report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n547vf8c1I
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/images/rasheedWilt_01.jpg
lefty
01-08-2008, 08:07 PM
The Scouting Report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n547vf8c1I
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/images/rasheedWilt_01.jpg
Is that Sheed ?
(just based on the pic, haven't watched the video yet)
bdictjames
01-08-2008, 08:34 PM
Shows you how good NBA players really are.
tlongII
01-08-2008, 08:35 PM
Sheed is one of the most naturally gifted players I have ever seen. I just wish he took the game a little more seriously. I still love him though.
SpurForLife
01-08-2008, 08:55 PM
Is that Sheed ?
(just based on the pic, haven't watched the video yet)
Yeah, it's him in his high school years in Philly!!
JamStone
01-08-2008, 09:00 PM
Sheed is one of the most naturally gifted players I have ever seen. I just wish he took the game a little more seriously. I still love him though.
I think Rasheed takes the game more seriously than most NBA players. When he plays, he cares. He plays to win. He never plays for stats. He cares about his teammates and he plays for the team. He plays with passion. He also has a great appreciation for the history of the game.
He may be ill-tempered and he may do some stupid things at times, but it's generally because he does take the game so seriously. He doesn't like it when he things he or his teammates are not getting a fair shake and he gets emotional with officials. That's because he wants to win. He may not always play up to his potential, but that's generally based on him playing unselfishly.
I disagree with that sentiment that Rasheed needs to take the game more seriously.
Cry Havoc
01-08-2008, 09:31 PM
Holy god that first double 3-point shot was absolutely incredible.
monosylab1k
01-08-2008, 09:37 PM
I've always loved Rasheed's game, but I think he's a wasted talent of the NBA. In his early years he had a post game that, had he continued to develop it, would rival Duncan & McHale's. But one day he figured out that he can hit a three pointer every so often, and he's been jacking them up ever since.
monosylab1k
01-08-2008, 09:38 PM
not that he still doesn't have a great game, but he could absolutely dominate in the post if he wanted to.
ShoogarBear
01-08-2008, 10:53 PM
I agree that Sheed takes the game very seriously. He also is an unselfish player and has a huge basketball IQ. But I also think a major reason he hasn't been as dominant as he should be is that he doesn't want the pressure of being THE man. Sometimes when you're the best player on the court, you know that being selfish is what it takes to win. And that's Sheed's one flaw (other than his temper).
Sheed's turnaround in the low post is unstoppable. He should be shooting that 10-15 times a game. With the right mentality he should have been a career 25 point, 10 reb, All-Defense first-ballot HoFer. Instead, he's just a damn good player.
tlongII
01-08-2008, 10:56 PM
Sheed has never worked out in the off-season prior to this past summer. To me that is someone that doesn't take the game seriously enough.
JamStone
01-08-2008, 11:00 PM
Sheed has never worked out in the off-season prior to this past summer. To me that is someone that doesn't take the game seriously enough.
When has athleticism or conditioning been a factor with his production?
Anything negative with Rasheed has been with his emotions or his mouth or something mental, not his conditioning. Your argument would have some merit if "not working out in the off season" negatively affected his game.
It hasn't.
ShoogarBear
01-08-2008, 11:05 PM
Sheed has never worked out in the off-season prior to this past summer. To me that is someone that doesn't take the game seriously enough.So, what part of his game do you think he needs to improve?
peskypesky
01-08-2008, 11:30 PM
I like Sheed and always have. Sure he's a hothead and acts the fool a bit too often, but he plays hard most of the time, he's passionate, and he has a great all-around game. Offensively, he can score in the post or from outside. Defensively he can and will defend the rim.
But as some others have said, he probably hasn't utilized his talents as much as he could/should have. I've always felt he could play at another level if he really put his mind to it.
remingtonbo2001
01-09-2008, 12:16 AM
Puff the Magic Dragon.....
tlongII
01-09-2008, 12:45 AM
So, what part of his game do you think he needs to improve?
His inside game obviously. He would have been an absolute beast if he did more weight training. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. I just think LaMarcus will be everything he could have been.
ShoogarBear
01-09-2008, 01:57 AM
I don't think his inside game needs improving. He just needs to use it more. The thought that maybe he doesn't stay inside because he gets worn down is an interesting one, but I haven't seen anything that supports it.
ratm1221
01-09-2008, 09:57 AM
Cool video, thanks
DarkReign
01-09-2008, 12:47 PM
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/images/rasheedWilt_01.jpg
Why'd you post a pic of Chris Rock?
JamStone
01-09-2008, 12:52 PM
His inside game obviously. He would have been an absolute beast if he did more weight training. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. I just think LaMarcus will be everything he could have been.
LaMarcus stays away from the paint on offense more than Rasheed ever has at any point in his career. Only time LaMarcus dunks is in the open court.
JamStone
01-09-2008, 12:54 PM
I like Sheed and always have. Sure he's a hothead and acts the fool a bit too often, but he plays hard most of the time, he's passionate, and he has a great all-around game. Offensively, he can score in the post or from outside. Defensively he can and will defend the rim.
But as some others have said, he probably hasn't utilized his talents as much as he could/should have. I've always felt he could play at another level if he really put his mind to it.
My couternpoint was what does that have to do with off season conditioning or workouts. It's not that Rasheed has been incapable of doing it. It's that he just doesn't do it enough. And, it doesn't mean he doesn't take the game seriously. It points more to his idea of how he feels he needs to play the game.
tlongII
01-09-2008, 01:33 PM
LaMarcus stays away from the paint on offense more than Rasheed ever has at any point in his career. Only time LaMarcus dunks is in the open court.
Watch some more of our games. LaMarcus is establishing low post position more and more often. He went for 36 against Utah and it was primarily from the low post. The main reason is because of his weight training. He is getting stronger and stronger and will play inside more as his strength increases. LaMarcus is very similar to Sheed in size and shooting style.
Fillmoe
01-09-2008, 02:36 PM
if my left was stronger i could do the first shot.... the second shot is not that hard... i could prolly do it with about 3 tries
JamStone
01-09-2008, 02:49 PM
Watch some more of our games. LaMarcus is establishing low post position more and more often. He went for 36 against Utah and it was primarily from the low post. The main reason is because of his weight training. He is getting stronger and stronger and will play inside more as his strength increases. LaMarcus is very similar to Sheed in size and shooting style.
I doubt it. I admit I don't watch a lot of Portland games, but the times I have and the highlights I've seen of Aldridge, he's scoring with the 15 foot jumper, the fade-away, and occasionally a dunk in open court or off an offensive rebound or broken play. He's seems more allergic to the paint on offense than Rasheed ever has.
A good indication of how much a player spends in the paint is free throws attempted. Aldridge has gone to the line 131 times in 29 games. Rasheed has gone to the line 129 times in 32 games. And, Rasheed has been the third option for the Pistons all season long. Rasheed has 368 field goals attempted to Aldridge's 419 FGA. Rasheed is going to the line almost as much with fewer touches.
Roxsfan
01-09-2008, 11:40 PM
cool
WOW, double 3-pointer!
Can anyone do the GIF of this shot?
Joe Schmoogins
01-10-2008, 06:49 AM
if my left was stronger i could do the first shot.... the second shot is not that hard... i could prolly do it with about 3 tries
i dont believe you.
VaSpursFan
01-10-2008, 09:14 AM
that was insane...
Warlord23
01-10-2008, 12:29 PM
I doubt it. I admit I don't watch a lot of Portland games, but the times I have and the highlights I've seen of Aldridge, he's scoring with the 15 foot jumper, the fade-away, and occasionally a dunk in open court or off an offensive rebound or broken play. He's seems more allergic to the paint on offense than Rasheed ever has.
A good indication of how much a player spends in the paint is free throws attempted. Aldridge has gone to the line 131 times in 29 games. Rasheed has gone to the line 129 times in 32 games. And, Rasheed has been the third option for the Pistons all season long. Rasheed has 368 field goals attempted to Aldridge's 419 FGA. Rasheed is going to the line almost as much with fewer touches.
Jam, tlong has a point here. Aldridge plays closer to the basket and attempts fewer jumpshots than Sheed does, per 82games.com
Aldridge: Inside shots 38%, Jump shots 62%
Wallace: Inside shots 17%, Jump shots 83%
I've watched several Blazer games this year, and iso-ing Aldridge on the post is something they try very frequently. Sometimes he doesn't get position or is doubled and won't take the shot from the post, but they do look to establish him down there.
The Pistons OTOH are content running Billups Isos and screens for Rip, Sheed in the post is a much less frequent gambit for them.
Sheed does want to win badly for his team, but is not comfortable with the "selfish" go-to-guy role. He's not the type who demands the rock or wants to carry a team. It's not a knock on his skills or desire, just that the mindset needed for that role is different, and it's not a natural comfort zone for Sheed.
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