Last 52 seconds of Heat-Hawks will be replayed !!!! Really!

[lefty]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3192421

Heat, Hawks to replay final minute of Dec. 19 game later this year

Associated Press

Updated: January 11, 2008, 5:16 PM ET



ATLANTA -- The Atlanta Hawks and Miami Heat must replay the final 51.9 seconds of their game last month because the NBA said the official scorer ruled incorrectly that Shaquille O'Neal fouled out. This will be the first time since 1982 the league has sent teams back on the court for a replay.

The Hawks won 117-111 at home in overtime Dec. 19. The NBA said Friday the replay will be held before the teams' next scheduled game -- March 8 in Atlanta. Play will start from the time after O'Neal's disputed sixth foul.

The Hawks also were fined $50,000, with commissioner David Stern ruling the team was "grossly negligent" in failing to address the mistake.

The protest is the first granted by the NBA since December 1982, when then-NBA commissioner Larry O'Brien upheld a request for a replay by the San Antonio Spurs after their 137-132 double-overtime loss to the Los Angeles Lakers the previous month.

The Spurs and Lakers finished the game in April 1983, with San Antonio winning 117-114.

[hater]

pathetic

[lefty]

I agree

[duncan228]

Wow.
I'm at a loss for words...

[ludda]

Hahaha

[Flo-Rida]

WTF WTF i mean im a heat fan but we would have lost that game anyway

[lefty]

Pathetic, but I can't wait to watch that; will be weird...

[SpursDynasty]

How about a replay of the end of regulation of Game 7 in 2006?
How about a replay of the last 0.4 of Game 4 in 2004?

You know..games that are SIGNIFICANT.

[z0sa]

How about a replay of the end of regulation of Game 7 in 2006?
How about a replay of the last 0.4 of Game 4 in 2004?

You know..games that are SIGNIFICANT.

there was no game 7 in 2006.

[lefty]

there was no game 7 in 2006.

Spurs-Mavs...

[Medvedenko]

Well the .04 was legit as it should have been .08.....but who's squabling...that's too funny regarding the Heat....if they win they could get 2 victories that night.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lol Can't wait to watch this.

[SpursDynasty]

Well, the league made a mistake by granting this protest.

Because now, due to the nature of the officiating in Dallas Mavs games, there will be (and probably for valid reasons) protests filed just about every time Dallas wins.

Miami could protest a foul that was not called (Josh Howard) when Dallas held a 1 pt. lead in the closing seconds of their last meeting.

[FromWayDowntown]

Well, the league made a mistake by granting this protest.

Because now, due to the nature of the officiating in Dallas Mavs games, there will be (and probably for valid reasons) protests filed just about every time Dallas wins.

Miami could protest a foul that was not called (Josh Howard) when Dallas held a 1 pt. lead in the closing seconds of their last meeting.

You're still doing it wrong. If I were you, I'd shut up while I was behind.

The protest was upheld had nothing to do with whether a foul call was correct. It had everything to do with the foul that was called on Shaq (whether right or wrong) was credited as his 6th foul of the game when it was really only his 5th foul. That is, Shaq was disqualified on 5 fouls, which is not permitted by the rules.

If you protest that a foul should have been called or that a discretionary decision by a game official was incorrect, you're going to lose that protest. If your big center is disqualifed on 5 fouls, though, you've got a chance.

[LEONARD]

You're still doing it wrong. If I were you, I'd shut up while I was behind.

Come on now...this is SD we're talking about...

[mavs>spurs2]

So what's the deal this is fake right?

[Findog]

If you protest that a foul should have been called or that a discretionary decision by a game official was incorrect, you're going to lose that protest. If your big center is disqualifed on 5 fouls, though, you've got a chance.

The rules also state that you have to be behind the arc for a basket to be counted as a three-pointer. That shouldn't be a discretionary decision either. But I doubt we'll be seeing the Mavs-Pacers game replayed. I guess there's one set of rules for a team with The Next Jordan on it, and if you have the temerity to ask for the referees to correct their mistakes, you can go get fucked. Either every game involving official scoring errors gets replayed or you have selective enforcement. Fuck you very much David Stern and Stu Jackson. I don't think the Mavs should have the right to have that game replayed, by if we go by Stern/Jackson logic, they absolutely should.

[clambake]

shaq can't play anyway.

[Findog]

It's so important to replay a game involving an 8-27 team going nowhere. Meanwhile, one game could very much make a difference in Western playoff seedings. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with David Stern and Stu Jackson?

[SAtown]

So what's the deal this is fake right?

It's real. They're about to talk about it on SC

[Findog]

This really fucking pisses me off. I wouldn't raise a stink at all about that Mavs-Pacers game, but why this one and not the other? What's the fucking difference? They both involve official scoring errors, and that game could have a great bearing on where we land, seeding-wise. Doesn't Miami want a high draft pick? WTF?

[SpursDynasty]

This really fucking pisses me off. I wouldn't raise a stink at all about that Mavs-Pacers game, but why this one and not the other? What's the fucking difference? They both involve official scoring errors, and that game could have a great bearing on where we land, seeding-wise. Doesn't Miami want a high draft pick? WTF?

Because Dallas already gets so many games handed to them.

[Findog]

Because Dallas already gets so many games handed to them.


That's right, I forgot, the Pacers were just beating a team they were supposed to. Dallas tried to shoot some shots on them. No surprises there. Thanks for the trenchant analysis cumdumpster.

[Findog]

Get ready for lots more official protests. While we're at it, can we replay the final 10 seconds of Game Five of the 06 Finals?

[JamStone]

shaq can't play anyway.


LMAO that's exactly what I was thinking. Who cares because Shaq's going to be injured for that game anyway. :lol

[Flo-Rida]

It's so important to replay a game involving an 8-27 team going nowhere. Meanwhile, one game could very much make a difference in Western playoff seedings. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with David Stern and Stu Jackson?
dude calm down why you getting so worked up about this

[JamStone]

This really fucking pisses me off. I wouldn't raise a stink at all about that Mavs-Pacers game, but why this one and not the other? What's the fucking difference? They both involve official scoring errors, and that game could have a great bearing on where we land, seeding-wise. Doesn't Miami want a high draft pick? WTF?


As I recall what David Stern's stance was for that game was that it happened really early on in the game and the Mavs had the opportunity to recover the one point error. Not that I agree with that, but I think that's what his rationale was and would be.

[monosylab1k]

Let's go ahead and take away the free throws Wade was awarded for shoving Jason Terry to the ground. Now the series is 3-3. Let's get game 7 up and running.

[SpursDynasty]

Get ready for lots more official protests. While we're at it, can we replay the final 10 seconds of Game Five of the 06 Finals?

"The NBA provided ESPN.com with an alternate angle of that play, didn't you catch the video about a month back" forum.

[Findog]

dude calm down why you getting so worked up about this


Because I don't understand the logic behind it. It's another mystifying decision from David Stern. Look, this aint Iraq or the economy, but it's just weird.

[Findog]

As I recall what David Stern's stance was for that game was that it happened really early on in the game and the Mavs had the opportunity to recover the one point error. Not that I agree with that, but I think that's what his rationale was and would be.

Didn't the Heat have a full minute to recover the error made in their game? That's my point, there's no logical consistency to it.

[Findog]

"The NBA provided ESPN.com with an alternate angle of that play, didn't you catch the video about a month back" forum.

Oh yeah, the phantom push in the back by Dirk. Yeah, I saw the Salvatore series on TrueHoop.

[Obstructed_View]

Dallas lost that game by four points. I'm not sure how an incorrectly ruled three pointer makes a difference in the game, other than the fact that the team had to listen to Mark Cuban whining about it during every timeout. Since there's no rule that he has to do that it doesn't seem similar in any way at all.

[JamStone]

Didn't the Heat have a full minute to recover the error made in their game? That's my point, there's no logical consistency to it.


Well, to be fair, Shaq was ejected incorrectly. So they could recover the error but the error forced Shaq to sit that remaining minute.

I don't really disagree with the principle of your argument. I'm just saying that's what Stern basically stated to differentiate the two circumstances.

[SpursDynasty]

The Mavs usually have no business winning more than 52 games nor advancing past the 2nd round.

[FromWayDowntown]

The Mavs usually have no business winning more than 52 games nor advancing past the 2nd round.

You mean except in 2000-01, 2001-02, 2002-03, 2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07 (winning more than 52 games) or 2002-03 or 2005-06 (advancing past the 2nd round), right?

By the way, saying a team has "no business . . . advancing past the 2nd round" is hardly a reason to bash a team, since only 4 clubs can do that every year and it's never the same clubs, from year-to-year who reach that level. In fact, since 2001, 15 of the NBA's 30 clubs have reached the conference finals and only 5 teams (Detroit, LA, Phoenix, New Jersey, and Miami) have reached the conference finals in consecutive years (Detroit has been there 5 straight years, nobody else has made it beyond back-to-back appearances). It's not as if the Spurs have made an annual habit of going past Round 2.






oops. I forgot I'm trying to argue with the walking fallacy.

[Flo-Rida]

Oh yeah, the phantom push in the back by Dirk. Yeah, I saw the Salvatore series on TrueHoop.
there was a foul anyway and its not like it affected the mavs becuase Dirk didnt foul out.

[duncan228]

oops. I forgot I'm trying to argue with the walking fallacy.

:lol

He gets to all of us sooner or later...:lol

[Armando]

I think Stern made the right choice. Even though the Heat will likely lose again but by doing this it sends message to teams to be accurate in thier record keeping as to fouls. Can you imagine if this had happened in a Game 7 in the playoffs? By making an example of the Hawks now it will hopefully prevent any shennigans in the postseason. Because thats the last thing Stern needs another postseason mired in controversy.

[ClingingMars]

Well the .04 was legit as it should have been .08.....but who's squabling...that's too funny regarding the Heat....if they win they could get 2 victories that night.

the first team to win 2 games in one day? or lose 2 games...

-Mars

[Fillmoe]

the league trying to save d wade's career LOL

[Armando]

the league trying to save d wade's career LOL


Too little too late

[Tippecanoe]

i dont quite understand. did shaq really have 5 fouls when he "fouled out" or something??

[Armando]

i dont quite understand. did shaq really have 5 fouls when he "fouled out" or something??


No he really had 4 fouls when they incorrectly gave him a 5th foul that belonged to Haslem. In the OT period he would have had 5 instead of 6 if not for the scorer's error.

[Tippecanoe]

No he really had 4 fouls when they incorrectly gave him a 5th foul that belonged to Haslem. In the OT period he would have had 5 instead of 6 if not for the scorer's error.

wtf!! thats really weird. :downspin:

[m33p0]

a one point error isn't as significant as losing a key player down the stretch.

[kingsfan]

Weird, I wonder how they're going to do it, right before the next time they play? Add a minute to the game?
They should just leave it how it is.

[Armando]

Weird, I wonder how they're going to do it, right before the next time they play? Add a minute to the game?
They should just leave it how it is.


They will play the final 51 seconds before they start the next game.

[kingsfan]

They will play the final 51 seconds before they start the next game.Cool, I'll be at that game.

[Armando]

Weird, I wonder how they're going to do it, right before the next time they play? Add a minute to the game?
They should just leave it how it is.


I disagree with that. They had to do it. What if this had happen to a team in a Game 7?

[Tippecanoe]

I disagree with that. They had to do it. What if this had happen to a team in a Game 7?

sucks to be them

[Armando]

Cool, I'll be at that game.


You live in the ATL? I love that city! Philips arena is awesome.

[Armando]

sucks to be them


You would be feeling different if it was the Celtics in a playoff game.

[Tippecanoe]

You would be feeling different if it was the Celtics in a playoff game.

well, if you put it that way...

[lefty]

Cool, I'll be at that game.

Lucky guy

[Findog]

Dallas lost that game by four points. I'm not sure how an incorrectly ruled three pointer makes a difference in the game, other than the fact that the team had to listen to Mark Cuban whining about it during every timeout. Since there's no rule that he has to do that it doesn't seem similar in any way at all.

It's an official scoring error, just like Heat-Hawks. The last possession with 10 seconds left we were down three points instead of two. That affects end-game strategy. I would be inclined to let it pass and move on, but apparently the NBA has suddenly decreed games with official scoring errors can be redone.

[Armando]

It's an official scoring error, just like Heat-Hawks. The last possession with 10 seconds left we were down three points instead of two. That affects end-game strategy. I would be inclined to let it pass and move on, but apparently the NBA has suddenly decreed games with official scoring errors can be redone.

How much time was left in the game when that mistake was made? I thought the Mavs had enough time to make up the 1 point difference. Is not the same to lose 1 point then it is to lose a player due to a nonexistent foul.

[mavsfan1000]

Fuck You David Stern!!!

[Budkin]

They have to fly all the way out there for that?? Ugh.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

They have to fly all the way out there for that?? Ugh.
They're gonna replay the 52 seconds before the next scheduled game between the two.

[lefty]

This will be hilarious if Shaq ends up fouling out on the first inbound play.

[Bruno]

I can see two reason why Heat are allowed to replay the game and not Mavs :

First, it's the second time Hawks make that kind of mistake. Last year, Hawks scorer table forget to count a basket in a game against Toronto. Hawks deserve more to be sanctioned than Pacers.

Second, replaying the game is way easier in the Heat case. Only 52 seconds must be replayed while almost 3 quarters would have been replayed in the Mavs case. You can't replay 3 quarters before a game while you can replay 52 seconds. And even if the mistake in the Mavs game was a late fourth mistake, Mavs didn't play another game at Indiana this year.


In theory, Mavs deserve as much as Heat to replay their game but in practical, it's not a shame that they didn't replay it.

[greenroom]

This is a bad thing to do IMO.

So going forward if there is a error, they will have to replay the game. Once you open this door you cannot close it.

[Flo-Rida]

This will be hilarious if Shaq ends up fouling out on the first inbound play.
:lol :lol

[kingsfan]

Lucky guygirl but close enough :lol

[kingsfan]

You live in the ATL? I love that city! Philips arena is awesome.I agree, great city.

[Hemotivo]

This will be hilarious if Shaq ends up fouling out on the first inbound play.
:lmao :lol

[fyatuk]

the first team to win 2 games in one day? or lose 2 games...

-Mars

Certainly not the first. The Spurs beat the Lakers twice on the same day in 1983.