Good Christian boys screw out of wedlock too

[JamStone]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-bk-howard011108,0,580490.story

Orlando Magic's Dwight Howard very excited to be a first-time father

Brian Schmitz and Tim Povtak | Sentinel Staff Writers
11:16 PM EST, January 11, 2008


Orlando Magic all-star center Dwight Howard acknowledged Friday that he has become a first-time father of a baby boy born Nov. 18 at Orlando's Winnie Palmer Hospital.

"I'm not going to deny it. Yes, I have a son," Howard, 22, told the Orlando Sentinel after the team's shoot-around in Denver. "It's just my personal life. Yes, I'm excited about it, but I'd like to keep my personal life personal."

The mother is Royce Reed, a former Orlando Magic dancer.

Reed was a member of the Magic's dance team at least during the 2005-2006 season, according to club's Web site. She attended Dr. Phillips High School and Florida A&M University, and wrote on her Magic bio that she performed with the Orlando Ballet.

She danced for the Miami Heat during the 2006-07 season, according to the Heat's Web site.

Juanita Reed, Royce Reed's mother, said the baby, Braylon, was born three weeks early.

"She's doing great," Juanita Reed said Friday. "Royce and Dwight are very happy. They are very good friends. How close they are, well, you'd have to talk to them.

"I'm just the grandma. It was not something that was planned. It was a beautiful surprise, though."

It will also be a surprise to many Magic fans even though the Sentinel carried a birth announcement for Braylon Joshua Robert Howard on Dec. 23. There was no mention of the father's name.

Juanita Reed said the baby weighed six pounds, seven ounces and was 18 ¼ inches long. She said he originally was due on Dec. 8 — Howard's birthday.

Royce Reed did not immediately return a call from the Sentinel on Friday.

Howard came to the Magic as the first overall choice in the 2004 draft and has steadily improved each year to where he is easily one of the best players in the NBA. He signed a contract extension this season believed to be worth $85 million over five seasons.

Howard, who says on his Web site (dwighthoward.com) that he is a devout Christian, has enjoyed a fan-friendly image since joining the league and has never been linked to any off-court controversy. The 6-foot-11 center has seen his endorsement potential grow as he has developed into one of the NBA's bright young stars.

He is expected to make his first start for the Eastern Conference in next month's NBA All-Star Game in New Orleans. He is the leading vote-getter among centers in either the conference with more than 1.4 million votes.

Brian Schmitz can be reached at bschmitz @orlandosentinel.com. Tim Povtak can be reached at [email protected].


some of her pictures are on this thread:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70925

[SpursDynasty]

Boycott the All-Star game just because this guy is in it.

[LEONARD]

Boycott the All-Star game just because this guy is in it.

Should we all boycott Earth because you're on it?

[SpursDynasty]

What's funny is how he tries to advertise himself as a Christian on his website:

"Unlike some players having attended private schools, where questions or rumors have arisen regarding "recruiting", Dwight Howard was involved in the Southwest Christian program since his preschool years."

I mean what is that? And now you do something that is against the beliefs you're advertising yourself under?

It's funny how these athletes make millions and yet can't marry the girl they had the child with. LeBron James also comes to mind.

[Cry Havoc]

Wow. A guy is excited to be a dad. He's taking responsibility for it instead of running away like 500,000 other dads who don't want to deal with it.

So what do you fucktards do? You criticize him for doing the RIGHT thing. Way to be complete idiots.

[angel_luv]

I'm glad to know Dwight Howard is a Christian. That's awesome.

[Cry Havoc]

I'm glad to know Dwight Howard is a Christian. That's awesome.

But obviously if he makes a mistake, that makes him a bad one, or so Jamstone and Jeffdrums would like to have us believe.

If everyone would step up and own up to their actions the way Howard has done, we'd be a lot better off in this society.

[Medvedenko]

Who cares if he's christian or not.....he's taking care of his kid...good for him. That's all that matters.

[atxrocker]

i don't care that his child is a bastard. i just find it funny that he gets so much notariety for being a "devout" christian and is painted as being so holy. give me a fucking break. probably lots of storys to come about his "personal life" . talented as fuck, but he is no fucking saint. i'm surprised he was able to keep that image this long.

[Bruno]

:lmao
Talk about a difference between your words and your acts. Do what I say and don't do what I do...

[atxrocker]

:lol nicely put

[LEONARD]

SD probably isn't the authority on kids and fatherhood considering the fact that he's never put his grenis in a position where he could even create a kid...

:lol

[Cry Havoc]

:lmao
Talk about a difference between your words and your acts. Do what I say and don't do what I do...

Or, you know, it might be that he's human and he screws up sometimes too. But hey, I'm sure you're in a fine position to judge him, right?

[SpursDynasty]

I hope Utah beats the team they're supposed to beat tonight.

[LEONARD]

I hope Utah beats the team they're supposed to beat tonight.

Thanks for sharing, douche...

Maybe start a thread with a game prediction so we can laugh at how wrong you are like always...

[Bruno]

Or, you know, it might be that he's human and he screws up sometimes too. But hey, I'm sure you're in a fine position to judge him, right?

Yes, I am.

Howard isn't only a Christian. He is a Christian who try to spread his religion by always talking of that or by putting a sticky with a bible sentence on the backboard during a dunk contest. When you act like this, you aren't allowed to do mistakes that big.

If Howard was just a Christian who had make a mistake, I would have said nothing.

[JamStone]

But obviously if he makes a mistake, that makes him a bad one, or so Jamstone and Jeffdrums would like to have us believe.

If everyone would step up and own up to their actions the way Howard has done, we'd be a lot better off in this society.

It's not so much him being a Christian, though it's part of it. It's him essentially proclaiming himself the ambassador of a pro athlete that lived a good, clean, Christian lifestyle and how he tried to push his beliefs and value system on anyone and everyone who was within earshot. He made a big deal about pro basketball players living the right lifestyle and not succumbing to temptation. He scolded players for using profanity and listening to rap music. He quoted bible verses.

And, what does he do? He goes and screws and Orlando Magic cheerleader and knocks her up.

I have no problem with him having sex out of marriage. I have no problem with him having a child out of wedlock. I have no problem with him taking responsibility for his actions.

I have a problem with him being so preachy about shit and then being a hypocrite.


And, I have no problem with him as a player. I'm not SD calling him a fluke. As a player, he's outstanding. I just really dislike hypocrisy.

[Findog]

I wish I could dig up the thread where Obstructed View tried to argue that D-Ho wasn't a hypocrite even though I posted pics of him hanging out with pornstars.

[Bruno]

Thanks JamStone far saying ten times better than me what I wanted to say.

[td4mvp21]

A Christian being a hypocrite? Tell us something we don't know.


But he is doing the right thing, congrats to him for the birth and for having a part in his son's life.

[Hemotivo]

I wish I could dig up the thread where Obstructed View tried to argue that D-Ho wasn't a hypocrite even though I posted pics of him hanging out with pornstars.
wow

[Hemotivo]

RTrYE4a1BmE

[angel_luv]

But obviously if he makes a mistake, that makes him a bad one, or so Jamstone and Jeffdrums would like to have us believe.

If everyone would step up and own up to their actions the way Howard has done, we'd be a lot better off in this society.

I agree with you that their comments were ridiculous.

I am glad that perfection is not a requirement of being a Christian.

I would like to know what Dwight, having now been in this situation, would say to the young men he serves as an example to.
To me that is the real test of a Christian-how they recover from their mistakes.

[E20]

:pctoss

[Bruno]

This pure, religious preacher who only screwed about 5 boys agrees!

Wow, it's kinda harsh to put side to side someone who destroys the life of 5 people to someone who didn't hurt someone.

[SpursDynasty]

Read the 250 comments on that article's website. Some good points made there.

[atxrocker]

Wow, it's kinda harsh to put side to side someone who destroys the life of 5 people to someone who didn't hurt someone.


:lol my point (extreme i suppose) is that both preach the holy word, push their beliefs on everybody else and then go on to sin themselves. and for the record, i just googled priest so i doubt this particular person sexually abused anyone. then again, who really knows. still, it was a poor comparison so i deleted my initial post.

[Bruno]

I agree with you that their comments were ridiculous.


I'm sorry but the most ridiculous thing said in this thread before your post has been said by you.


I'm glad to know Dwight Howard is a Christian. That's awesome.

How the fuck being Christian could be something awesome ?

[SpursDynasty]

I can't say I'm surprised that Dwight Howard has a kid out of wedlock.

[Tippecanoe]

I'm glad to know Dwight Howard is a Christian. That's awesome.

adolf hitler was a christian. how did that work out??

[Cry Havoc]

adolf hitler was a christian. how did that work out??

Hogwash. Learn some history before making such idiotic claims.



I have a problem with him being so preachy about shit and then being a hypocrite.


And, I have no problem with him as a player. I'm not SD calling him a fluke. As a player, he's outstanding. I just really dislike hypocrisy.


So you aren't a hypocrite, is that really what you're saying? Because I'll be the first to step up and say that I'm definitely a hypocrite. And I sincerely believe that anyone who says they aren't is lying and in complete, abject denial

[Cry Havoc]

:lol my point (extreme i suppose) is that both preach the holy word, push their beliefs on everybody else and then go on to sin themselves. and for the record, i just googled priest so i doubt this particular person sexually abused anyone. then again, who really knows. still, it was a poor comparison so i deleted my initial post.

Newsflash: Christians sin. Shocking. I wonder what book you could look up that openly states that? Hmm. Perhaps the Bible?

Thanks for enlightening us all.

[Thompson]

So you aren't a hypocrite, is that really what you're saying? Because I'll be the first to step up and say that I'm definitely a hypocrite. And I sincerely believe that anyone who says they aren't is lying and in complete, abject denial

Amen. Christians don't preach that they never sin; because of what they believe, they try not to, but they will inevitably fail at some point or other. The difference is they are forgiven because they put their faith in the only person who didn't sin.

[atxrocker]

Newsflash: Christians sin. Shocking. I wonder what book you could look up that openly states that? Hmm. Perhaps the Bible?

Thanks for enlightening us all.


i think i get it now. what you're saying is that as long as i read the bible, wear a cross necklace, go to church, sing holle-fucking-luya, tell you what the fuck not to do and preach the word, then it's ok for me to bang up a slutty cheerleader and produce a bastard child? then, because of my religious convictions, noone should judge me. right?

[Cry Havoc]

I'm happy that he is taking care of his son but we also have to look at this way. One reason that he is taking care of his son has to do with the fact that he is a multi-millionare! If he was poor then I would want to see if he would be such a great father. Obviously it's a moot point because he is rich but it is something to think about!

I disagree with you. Money has never (to my knowledge) been a substitute for maturity, nor does being rich suddenly grant you a moral compass. Howard is doing the right thing here when easily he could shrug, forget about it, and pay child support without ever meeting or knowing his child.

[atxrocker]

The difference is they are forgiven because they put their faith in the only person who didn't sin.


bad ass. next time i need some cash, i'll rob the liquor store on saturday and repent at church on sunday. then all is right. this christian thing sounds kinda cool.

[Tippecanoe]

bad ass. next time i need some cash, i'll rob the liquor store on saturday and repent at church on sunday. then all is right. this christian thing sounds kinda cool.

:lmao

[Cry Havoc]

i think i get it now. what you're saying is that as long as i read the bible, wear a cross necklace, go to church, sing holle-fucking-luya, tell you what the fuck not to do and preach the word, then it's ok for me to bang up a slutty cheerleader and produce a bastard child? then, because of my religious convictions, noone should judge me. right?

How about you read the Bible first. That should erase a lot of the other things you stated in this thread. But you make my point quite nicely for me: you judge him because he made a mistake while espousing Christian views. This is not based around the fact that forgiveness is easy and ready whenever necessary. It requires humility, realizing one's actions and the consequences of such, and actually realizing that you must put your own ego aside because you need to ask for help.

In fact, he probably wouldn't mind you judging him. I'm sure he's already judged himself for that wrong, if he is a true Christian. And if you thinking looking yourself in the mirror and truly realizing that you made a mistake and need to change is easy, you've never attempted that.

However, you probably don't want to hear any of this, from the amount of vehemence you were spewing forth in your diatribe. I don't know why the actions of an NBA superstar who's actually doing the right thing would piss you off so much, except that perhaps you're looking for any ammo you can find to make vast generalizations against an entire group of people.

[Cry Havoc]

bad ass. next time i need some cash, i'll rob the liquor store on saturday and repent at church on sunday. then all is right. this christian thing sounds kinda cool.

While I'm sure you're not speaking seriously, as I doubt you are that uneducated as to the principles of the Christian faith, the fact that you must resort to such petty, childish comments is rather indicative of how condemning and spiteful you are.

[Thompson]

i think i get it now. what you're saying is that as long as i read the bible, wear a cross necklace, go to church, sing holle-fucking-luya, tell you what the fuck not to do and preach the word, then it's ok for me to bang up a slutty cheerleader and produce a bastard child? then, because of my religious convictions, noone should judge me. right?

No. Those things don't make you a Christian. If you actually believe in Christ and are truly repentant, it doesn't mean it was 'ok,' but it does mean you will be forgiven.


bad ass. next time i need some cash, i'll rob the liquor store on saturday and repent at church on sunday. then all is right. this christian thing sounds kinda cool.

Of course, 'repent' would include returning the money and taking responsibility for any people you hurt. Faith does not mean you can avoid responsibility or punishment in this world, just the next one.

[atxrocker]

I was replying to Thompsons post that I interpreted as him saying that everyone can sin, but the ONLY difference is that those who practice faith are forgiven. I made an extreme example of that interpretation to prove a point. I am not going to get into a religous debate as my opinions on it are rather strong, but it's funny that Howard apologists are quick to overlook something that is generally frowned on in traditional religion.

[Cry Havoc]

I was replying to Thompsons post that I interpreted as him saying that everyone can sin, but the ONLY difference is that those who practice faith are forgiven. I made an extreme example of that interpretation to prove a point. I am not going to get into a religous debate as my opinions on it are rather strong, but it's funny that Howard apologists are quick to overlook something that is generally frowned on in traditional religion.

You mean those who are humble enough to realize the need for forgiveness, accept their own imperfections and misdeeds, and actually ask for that forgiveness with a mindset to not make that mistake again. There is a gulf of difference between the superficial asking of forgiveness and what is actually spoken about in the core of faith.

[td4mvp21]

So what if Christians sin, you don't go around preaching and flaunting your faith and then make decisions that CONTRADICT your beliefs and then flaunt that too. That's bullshit and blatant hypocrisy. It's also very annoying.

[Cry Havoc]

So what if Christians sin, you don't go around preaching and flaunting your faith and then make decisions that CONTRADICT your beliefs and then flaunt that too. That's bullshit and blatant hypocrisy. It's also very annoying.

He's also a 22 year old guy who's been thrust into the limelight of the United States sports system. It seems as if he's trying to be a role model, but he struggles with maturity and knowing how to do the right thing all the time.

I mean, really... were you so mature when you were just old enough to drink? At least he's owning up to his mistakes and trying to make amends. He's handling this situation like a man. Most wouldn't have the same mindset at that age, especially when a bit of money could make it all go away and let them back into the crazy lifestyle of an NBA player.

[td4mvp21]

He's also a 22 year old guy who's been thrust into the limelight of the United States sports system. It seems as if he's trying to be a role model, but he struggles with maturity and knowing how to do the right thing all the time.

I mean, really... were you so mature when you were just old enough to drink? At least he's owning up to his mistakes and trying to make amends. He's handling this situation like a man. Most wouldn't have the same mindset at that age, especially when a bit of money could make it all go away and let them back into the crazy lifestyle of an NBA player.

Right, I acknowledge that, but if you choose to be a role model, back up what you say. What he's gotten himself into is a double edge sword. If he says nothing, he's denying his child and a bad father. If he says something, he's a hypocrite. Funny thing is if he would have practiced what he preaches he wouldn't be in the situation. Like I said in an earlier post in this thread, he made the right decision regarding what to do. I have no problem with him having the child, I have the problem with him not practicing what he preaches. People who reveal their faith and set themselves up as role models can be admirable because it's not an easy thing to do, but they lose all credibility when they mess up. Fair? Maybe not, because we all make mistakes. Don't preach and then do something like this though. It's just annoying.

[atxrocker]

maybe this is what happened. the kid is the second coming! this time, rather than inpregnating a virgin with the holy spirit, god decided to use a black mans cock and a slutty cheerleader instead of a mary type figure. guess he really wanted make it much more modern. it all makes sense how someone of howards religious beliefs could do such a thing. in the name of the lord of course! holleluya.

[JamStone]

So you aren't a hypocrite, is that really what you're saying? Because I'll be the first to step up and say that I'm definitely a hypocrite. And I sincerely believe that anyone who says they aren't is lying and in complete, abject denial

First, I may have said and done some hypocritical things before but I try very much to not be a hypocrite in the things I say and do.

But more importantly, I am not a (self made, yes he made it be known that he wanted to be one) role model to millions of kids. I don't preach to people what they should or should not do. I don't have the stage or celebrity to where my hypocrisy is witnessed, observed, and analyzed by those millions of people who follow my life.

You can criticize me for criticizing him. Carry on with your judgment of me. Hypocrite.

[Cry Havoc]

Right, I acknowledge that, but if you choose to be a role model, back up what you say. What he's gotten himself into is a double edge sword. If he says nothing, he's denying his child and a bad father. If he says something, he's a hypocrite. Funny thing is if he would have practiced what he preaches he wouldn't be in the situation. Like I said in an earlier post in this thread, he made the right decision regarding what to do. I have no problem with him having the child, I have the problem with him not practicing what he preaches. People who reveal their faith and set themselves up as role models can be admirable because it's not an easy thing to do, but they lose all credibility when they mess up. Fair? Maybe not, because we all make mistakes. Don't preach and then do something like this though. It's just annoying.

I agree with some of what you say. I think he's too young to be a role model, but can you fault him for TRYING? I mean, look at the other players in the NBA. You have ballers like Stephen Jackson getting continual praise, and they are absolute thugs outside of their starring roles in American sports. I do not feel proud of him for his mistake and yes I think his Christian family should pull him aside (if they haven't already) and talk to him very seriously about the proper ways to conduct himself in this situation.

I just feel that he is being unnecessarily attacked because he's a Christian and for no other reason. In the grand scheme of things, he had sex with a cheerleader (which I think most of us would be extremely tempted to do given the opportunity) and is now going to be a dad. He's accepting that responsibility. Does that deserve the kind of bile being tossed at him in this thread? The NBA is full of players who get convicted of dealing/doing drugs, stealing, and, you know, SHOOTING people. Yet all of this hate is being directed at Howard because he's tried to step up and failed. I think the fact that he's making an attempt and has screwed up at 22 is still pretty early to be casting him out as a complete failure of a human being.

[Cry Havoc]

First, I may have said and done some hypocritical things before but I try very much to not be a hypocrite in the things I say and do.

You can criticize me for criticizing him. Carry on with your judgment of me. Hypocrite.

Did I just not state that I'm a hypocrite? Trust me, you aren't telling me anything I don't already know. :lol

Secondly, I'm not "judging" you. That would involve me condemning you to hell for starting this thread. I'm stating my opinion and debating the situation with you. How is that judging?



But more importantly, I am not a (self made, yes he made it be known that he wanted to be one) role model to millions of kids. I don't preach to people what they should or should not do. I don't have the stage or celebrity to where my hypocrisy is witnessed, observed, and analyzed by those millions of people who follow my life.

Exactly. You aren't in that situation, facing the things that an NBA player deals with. I'm not saying your life is any harder or easier, but you have to admit that you really don't know how you would react in such a situation. I purport myself to be a Christian, albeit a bad one, and yet if an Orlando cheerleader and I hit it off... I mean, what can I say? I'm not perfect. I deal with lust on a daily basis. And that would be very hard to just shrug aside. Not to mention the tens or hundreds of other girls throwing themselves at Howard because he's one of the top talents in the NBA.

Howard is making an effort. And he's owning up to his actions. I find neither despicable nor worthy of the negative reactions that I've seen in this thread.

[JamStone]

Did I just not state that I'm a hypocrite? Trust me, you aren't telling me anything I don't already know. :lol

Uhhh yeah. Exactly why I called you that.



Secondly, I'm not "judging" you. That would involve me condemning you to hell for starting this thread. I'm stating my opinion and debating the situation with you. How is that judging?


I found these comments as judgmental:


So what do you fucktards do? You criticize him for doing the RIGHT thing. Way to be complete idiots.


But obviously if he makes a mistake, that makes him a bad one, or so Jamstone and Jeffdrums would like to have us believe.

If everyone would step up and own up to their actions the way Howard has done, we'd be a lot better off in this society.





Exactly. You aren't in that situation, facing the things that an NBA player deals with. I'm not saying your life is any harder or easier, but you have to admit that you really don't know how you would react in such a situation. I purport myself to be a Christian, albeit a bad one, and yet if an Orlando cheerleader and I hit it off... I mean, what can I say? I'm not perfect. I deal with lust on a daily basis. And that would be very hard to just shrug aside. Not to mention the tens or hundreds of other girls throwing themselves at Howard because he's one of the top talents in the NBA.

Never said I knew the things he faced nor how I would react if in the same situation. I do know that he had propped himself up as a devout Christian who would be a role model for younger Christians, that he scolded NBA players for their profanity and promiscuous lifestyles, and that he vowed that he would remain a virgin until he was married.

I don't say he shouldn't be able to make mistakes. I don't say he shouldn't be forgiven by anyone he wants forgiveness from. I just point out his hypocrisy. That's all.



Howard is making an effort. And he's owning up to his actions. I find neither despicable nor worthy of the negative reactions that I've seen in this thread.

Never called it despicable. Nor did I personally have a very negative reaction to it. I only stated that I don't like hypocrisy, especially from someone who makes himself appear like he's above others or beyond reproach.

Take it however you want to take it.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

He's just impregnating the girls he's supposed to impregnate.

[resistanze]

Dwight Howard's son is a fluke conceived with fake sperm.

[Hemotivo]

AC Green

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

His devotion to Christianity was a fluke. No surprises here.

[Shank]

The Orphanage was a badass movie.

[SpursDynasty]

So I think we all agree Dwight Howard is a fluke and a hypocrite.

[dallaskd]

Should we all boycott Earth because you're on it?

hah :lol

[Cry Havoc]

So I think we all agree Dwight Howard is a fluke and a hypocrite.

What's the fluke's season averages now? 22 and 15 with 3 blocks per game?

[JeffDynasty]

Not everybody has what it takes to remain a virgin as long as Jeff and I have. There's nothing fluke about that.

[icem]

i cant to seem to figure out why you all are making such a big deal of this and talking shit about howard. hes had premarital sex.... so what ? that does not mean he is not a christian. do you guys realize how much high quality ass is thrown at him all damn day and night ? he is a human being whose instincts point toward sex. give the guy a break. the flesh is weak.

also, howard never painted himself as a saint, the media did that. hes just a young kid who IS a christian having to deal with all the temptations that come with being an NBA superstar.

[ploto]

I have known about this for a while but never said anything until it became public. He is "taking care" of his child in the financial sense, but kids need more than that. He also made sure to confirm he is the father- if you get my drift. People would be less disappointed if it was a child from an actual serious relationship. People are applauding his owning up to it, but the baby is about 2 months old already IIRC and he is finally publicly acknowledging him.

[atxrocker]

icem, log back into your cry havoc screen name or quit copying and pasting.

[SpursDynasty]

What's the fluke's season averages now? 22 and 15 with 3 blocks per game?

Chris Kaman is a more balanced player. 18 points and 14 rebounds. He's not a ballhog like Dwight Coward is.

[m33p0]

all the while i thought dwight was still a virgin. all is right in world after all. :lol

[ajh18]

It seems like people in this thread are making alot of judgements regarding what is a "Christian act". The fact of the matter is that the actions that are deemed to be in line with almost any religion differs from one intepretation to the other... sect to sect, and person to person. The texts of almost every religioun say contradictory things, or proclaim things that are unnacceptable to modern societies. To some people, their interpretation of a religion may allow them to have a child out of wedlock, if they take responsibility for that action, and not be any "less Christian". Their interpretation of their faith may then allow them to encourage a "Christian lifestyle" without this type of action being contradictory.

[SpursDynasty]

So Orlando starts 14-4, but only goes 9-11 since.

Yeah that's a real beast there.

[dallaskd]

So Orlando starts 14-4, but only goes 9-11 since.

Yeah that's a real beast there.

no one is talking about orlando. Howard didnt make the team go 9-11.

[remingtonbo2001]

Wow, I've lost a lot of respect for some of the posters.

Why are you even involving yourself in Dwight Howards personal life?

Don't you have a life to live of your own? Bad question.

I may not consider myself to be entirely Christian (or at least the present day definition), but I do believe in the theology and teachings of Christianity.

Jesus said those who haven't sinned cast the first stone.

So why are some of you throwing (preverbial) stones at a man and women who should be celebrating a very exciting part of their life? Maybe this child leads to marriage? What if this child allows Dwight to further his faith and relationship with God? Why not give people the chance to grow and learn?

If you want to be critical of his play on the court....that's cool....but is it neccessary to becoming enamoured with his personal life?

[dallaskd]

Wow, I've lost a lot of respect for some of the posters.

Why are you even involving yourself in Dwight Howards personal life?

Don't you have a life to live of your own? Bad question.

I may not consider myself to be entirely Christian (or at least the present day definition), but I do believe in the theology and teachings of Christianity.

Jesus said those who haven't sinned cast the first stone.

So why are some of you throwing (preverbial) stones at a man and women who should be celebrating a very exciting part of their life? Maybe this child leads to marriage? What if this child allows Dwight to further his faith and relationship with God? Why not give people the chance to grow and learn?

If you want to be critical of his play on the court....that's cool....but is it neccessary to becoming enamoured with his personal life?

I agree, fuck off jeff

[m33p0]

Not everybody has what it takes to remain a virgin as long as Jeff and I have. There's nothing fluke about that.
not that there's anything you could do about it short of paying for it. :lmao

[Kriz-Maxima]

A 22 year old having sex...wow, didnt see that coming.

[Cry Havoc]

icem, log back into your cry havoc screen name or quit copying and pasting.

Nice try, but...

WrjwaqZfjIY

[ploto]

If a person chooses to espouse their personal beliefs and invites people into that part of their life, they need to know that scrutiny will follow. If he had never made a big PUBLIC deal about his PERSONAL faith, no one would care.


The 18-year-old power forward from Southwest Atlanta Christian Academy has the potential to be this year's No. 1 overall pick. He's also expressed his desire to put a cross on the NBA logo, as well as use his power in the league, "to make sure that everybody hears the truth about God."

"We're first looking for a talented player, someone who will have the ability to play in this league at a very high level," Williams said. "But we're also looking for someone who a young man who is strong in character, and I believe Dwight's strong Christian stance, a la (former Spurs center) David Robinson is a wonderful part of his life.

"Despite the fact that he might make himself a target, it thrills me to see a young athlete unashamed of his stance on religion."



"I think his faith should be a factor in them selecting him," said Howard's father Dwight, a Georgia state trooper and athletic director at SACA. "If they know where Dwight is coming from, and that he is rooted and grounded, that could only bring about a good thing."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2004/columns/story?id=1811526




As a high school senior at Southwest Atlanta Christian Academy, he was the number one overall NBA draft pick of 2004 to the Orlando, Magic and has already staked his position on the court as being an unashamed follower of Jesus Christ out to change the negative image of basketball players. From the time that he was a little boy, he's had the vision to "raise the name of God within the league and throughout the world." For Howard, the NBA is his pulpit, but he plans on preaching through his lifestyle. Howard has an uphill battle ahead of him in a profession that seems to be breeding bad behavior (and infidelity). Howard however, has been open in interviews about remaining a virgin until married and desiring to set a standard of purity amongst a culture of womanizing and casual sex. Not too enveloped by the millionaire lifestyle, Howard is intent on staying humble and grounded by the reality of God's blessings...

http://www.nykola.com/archives/000463.html

[atxrocker]

havoc, whatever you posted, i can't see it here for some reason at work. if it was something proving that icem is not you, then he sure is a good imitator.

ploto, nice articles. good finds. (know that havoc will still have none of it tho)

[Cry Havoc]

havoc, whatever you posted, i can't see it here for some reason at work. if it was something proving that icem is not you, then he sure is a good imitator.

ploto, nice articles. good finds. (know that havoc will still have none of it tho)

Actually I'm probably not going to bother responding to you any more, since you clearly don't read the posts of people you disagree with. Forgive me. I'm just not as enlightened of a human being as you are. Rest in your superiority and being right about everything, if it helps you sleep at night.

[hater]

Christians are the most degenerate. I know cause I am one

[SpursDynasty]

If a person chooses to espouse their personal beliefs and invites people into that part of their life, they need to know that scrutiny will follow. If he had never made a big PUBLIC deal about his PERSONAL faith, no one would care.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2004/columns/story?id=1811526




http://www.nykola.com/archives/000463.html



Wow, after reading those two articles...it appears that Dwight is a fluke OFF the court as well. He can't even stay grounded in his beliefs.

[angel_luv]

I'm sorry but the most ridiculous thing said in this thread before your post has been said by you.



I shouldn't have said their comments were ridiculous. That was unnecessary.
Sorry guys.

Dwight Howard being a Christian is cool to me in the same way it would be cool if we had the same alma mater; we have something in common.

[mavs>spurs2]

SpursDynasty seriously shut the fuck up, it's not even slightly amusing anymore. You act like Dwight is the only 22 year old on Earth who's had sex. I'm sure you have even had sex before marriage, even as lame as you are. Just face it that Dwight Howard is a beast and a superstar in this league for years to come. He's already more rich and successful than you will ever be, so just stop with the nonsense.

[mavs>spurs2]

Dwight is just shitting on haters like Jeffdowns that hes supposed to shit on, no surprises there.

[mavs>spurs2]

I bet if Jeff walked into a club with Dwight Howard and the girls were all over him he wouldn't think Dwight was such a bad guy

[Extra Stout]

Pride cometh before a fall.

[m33p0]

what's the big deal? so Dwight had sex with a woman out of wedlock and had a child. it happens to everyday people. its not as if he won't be able to support the child anyway. at least we know he ain't gay.

good articles, ploto.

[Cry Havoc]

I found these comments as judgmental:

And they were. However, I feel you were goading people, Christians in particular, by posting such a provocative title to the thread. You wanted that kind of response, and you got it. It smacks of you just being happy that you can knock someone off their horse because they are a Christian.

If you were genuinely offended or upset by what I said, I apologize. It was uncouth and brash. I am simply fed up with situations like this, where people just seem to want to march around with signs that say, "HA HA! The Christian is human and screwed up!"

It gets old, and you aren't telling us anything we didn't know already.










Never said I knew the things he faced nor how I would react if in the same situation. I do know that he had propped himself up as a devout Christian who would be a role model for younger Christians, that he scolded NBA players for their profanity and promiscuous lifestyles, and that he vowed that he would remain a virgin until he was married.

So he screwed up. We've covered this. So if you get busted for drinking and driving, does it make you a hypocrite to tell your children that they shouldn't do that?


I don't say he shouldn't be able to make mistakes. I don't say he shouldn't be forgiven by anyone he wants forgiveness from. I just point out his hypocrisy. That's all.


[quote]Never called it despicable. Nor did I personally have a very negative reaction to it. I only stated that I don't like hypocrisy, especially from someone who makes himself appear like he's above others or beyond reproach.

Take it however you want to take it.

The title of this thread is an obvious lead-in to how you feel about the situation. Don't try to act disinterested and say you didn't post with smug satisfaction, because it's very apparent that it's exactly how you want to be in this situation. To repeat: Everyone I know is a hypocrite. Everyone I know is (relatively) weak in the grand scheme of things. It's amazing that after studying psychology, you realize how fragile the human ego is. Just like the post you made to initiate this thread got under my skin, despite the fact that's just a thread on an internet chat board for sports.

[Extra Stout]

God will forgive Dwight Howard if he is contrite, repents, and takes responsibility for the consequences of his actions.

The world mocks and scorns Dwight Howard because it obeys its master.

Now it probably was not the wisest thing for an 18-year-old to proclaim himself ready to win the NBA for Christ back in 2004, since in his sheltered Christian high school life he had no idea of the gauntlet of temptation he was about to go through, even before he was nearly mature enough to handle it. But 18-year-olds can be foolish and impetuous like that. Thank God there is grace.

David Robinson was a target too. He was able to avoid such a public embarrassment like Howard's in part because he became committed to his faith and outspoken about it well after having started in the NBA, and after having found the hedonistic NBA lifestyle unfulfilling. Even so, there were many, many people eager to see him fall so they could pounce on him the way they are pouncing on Dwight Howard now.

Is it disappointing to see him fall? Yeah. Is there a contrast between his eagerness to present himself so publicly as a good Christian young man, and his insistence upon his own privacy (as opposed to the privacy which the mother and child obviously deserve) when he screws up? Indeed. He is just a man. But if you take this as an opportunity to cackle gleefully and devour this man, then you are doing the work of the demons. Perhaps that is your goal.

There is no reason Dwight Howard cannot, after having stumbled and being humbled, get back up and continue to try to live out his faith, if he is in fact repentant.

[JamStone]

And they were. However, I feel you were goading people, Christians in particular, by posting such a provocative title to the thread. You wanted that kind of response, and you got it. It smacks of you just being happy that you can knock someone off their horse because they are a Christian.

Well, then why did you ask how you were being judgmental if you agree you made comments that were judgmental? Well?

I'm a Christian. I was raised in a strict Roman Catholic home. I went to Catholic private school for 12 years. It's not about knocking a "Christian" off their horse. It's about knocking exposing a hypocrite.

This isn't about Dwight Howard being Christian. It's about him emphasizing the fact that he was going to avoid the temptations of the NBA lifestyle and be a devout Christian. He even SPECIFICALLY vowed he would be a virgin until he was married. First of all, I don't think it's a big deal anyway. I was just sharing an article about it. And, secondly, it's only a bigger deal than any other person who would have done the same thing because Dwight Howard himself made it a big deal all these years about being a devout Christian, living a clean Christian lifestyle, remaining a virgin until marriage, AND THE FACT that he's in the public eye. He opened himself up to this type of scrutiny, this type of criticism. It's on him as a hypocrite, not a Christian. You need to learn how to differentiate that.



If you were genuinely offended or upset by what I said, I apologize. It was uncouth and brash. I am simply fed up with situations like this, where people just seem to want to march around with signs that say, "HA HA! The Christian is human and screwed up!"

I was never offended by anything in this thread. I don't give a fuck. I was sharing a story about an NBA player on an NBA forum. I pointed out his hypocrisy. After that, I don't really care. Again, it wasn't about his Christian faith. It was about him TALKING about his Christian faith so much, pushing his faith and values on everybody, trying to change the NBA for Christ, and then being a hypocrite. It's about that, not specifically him being a Christian.



It gets old, and you aren't telling us anything we didn't know already.

Simple solution. Ignore the thread and don't respond. I made the thread. You keep wanting to shake your head at me for starting the thread or people criticizing Dwight Howard, well stop bumping the thread up with your posts. It's more of a big deal because you keep responding with your defense of a guy who probably isn't even nearly as upset as you are with people criticizing him for what he did.



So he screwed up. We've covered this. So if you get busted for drinking and driving, does it make you a hypocrite to tell your children that they shouldn't do that?

Your point is irrelevant. He was preaching about not having premarital and casual sex BEFORE this, not AFTER this incident. There's a difference. Don't preach it to others then not follow through with it yourself especially when you make a big deal about it. It's not like he made the mistake and then started telling people about the lessons he learned from his mistakes. He preached first, then did exactly what he preached against. If he never ever said anything about being such a devout Christian and changing the NBA for Christ and remaining a virgin until marriage, this thread would not exist. But, he did, and he has ever since before he was drafted. It would be more like a judge who sentences drunk drivers to prison and then that judge is caught drunk driving. The hypocrisy is what I'm criticizing, not the act, not the fact that he's Christian.



The title of this thread is an obvious lead-in to how you feel about the situation. Don't try to act disinterested and say you didn't post with smug satisfaction, because it's very apparent that it's exactly how you want to be in this situation. To repeat: Everyone I know is a hypocrite. Everyone I know is (relatively) weak in the grand scheme of things. It's amazing that after studying psychology, you realize how fragile the human ego is. Just like the post you made to initiate this thread got under my skin, despite the fact that's just a thread on an internet chat board for sports.

And, now you're a mind-reader. You don't know what the hell I felt when I posted this thread. Nor do you know what level of sarcasm was involved. I don't care what you think my intent or feelings were when I made the title of my thread and this thread in general. What is apparent to you was actually in reality inaccurate.

[mikejones99]

another bastard child and another soon to be greedy golddiggin single mother. This cancels out most of the good he has done

[Hemotivo]

Christians are the most degenerate. I know cause I am one
:lmao

[Fillmoe]

http://www.nba.com/media/heat/hpg0607_swimsuitshoot_royce5.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4016/hpg0607dangal6royce2wk4.jpg


"beat the pussy up, beat the pussy up"

[Dre_7]

Religion and sex debates aside,on the court Howard is a beast and will be the best big man in the league in a few years time.

[mikejones99]

are those boobs fake or real? no wonder cheerleaders make very little because they could hit the lottery, that kid gonna net her ass about 50 million

[mbass]

Wow. A guy is excited to be a dad. He's taking responsibility for it instead of running away like 500,000 other dads who don't want to deal with it.

So what do you fucktards do? You criticize him for doing the RIGHT thing. Way to be complete idiots.

OH Please - anyone can be excited about anything. And how do you know that he's taking responsibility for the child? Probably paying a few bucks a year for the mother to take care of the baby but probably not spending a whole lot of quality time or consistent time with the child. I'll take an individual with the character of a Tim Duncan any day. He marries the future mom of his children and actually builds a committed LIFE with her.

[z0sa]

you know the bitch told him "yea im on the pill" while $$$ lit up in her eyes and the beginning of pink floyd- money started goin off in the background

[JamStone]

are those boobs fake or real?


Let's all pray to our Christian God that they're real. Pray that they are firm and as lovely to squeeze as they are to look at. Oh God please let them be real. I devote my life to you that they are real.

[JamStone]

The NBA:


http://www.nba.com/media/heat/hpg0607_swimsuitshoot_royce5.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4016/hpg0607dangal6royce2wk4.jpg


Where getting pussy happens.

[ATX Spur]

:clap JamStone owns in this thread

[atxrocker]

Where getting pussy happens.




:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[endrity]

Wow, after reading those two articles...it appears that Dwight is a fluke OFF the court as well. He can't even stay grounded in his beliefs.
He has a hard time staying gounded on the floor as well

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MI2rLv8Hkl4

[Pistons_In_7]

is Jamstone JoeJam from the Pistons.com message boards anyone know?

[Kriz-Maxima]

who are you on p.com?

[Pistons_In_7]

I plead the fifth.

[Kriz-Maxima]

I plead the fifth.



Blademaster?

[Pistons_In_7]

wtf is blademaster?

[JamStone]

is Jamstone JoeJam from the Pistons.com message boards anyone know?


Yes he is, but don't take my word for it.