Republican values

[PixelPusher]

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/16/bachmann-jobs/


At a press conference today unveiling the stimulus proposal, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) justified the conservative plan to give tax breaks to corporations — instead of working Americans — by arguing that people actually like working long hours:

I am so proud to be from the state of Minnesota. We’re the workingest state in the country, and the reason why we are, we have more people that are working longer hours, we have people that are working two jobs.

Yeah, thank God we no longer live in the bad old days when a higher standard of living "restricted" millions of Americans to supporting their families on a single income and reasonable work hours.

[Wild Cobra]

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/16/bachmann-jobs/


Yeah, thank God we no longer live in the bad old days when a higher standard of living "restricted" millions of Americans to supporting their families on a single income and reasonable work hours.
The article left out the real reasons to give corporations tax breaks. Should I waste my time in the hopes that a single liberal among you will understand?

There is so much known reasoning missing from the article. I'll bet the people spoke the relavant words, but the author chose to ignore them.

I hope you don't expect the whole truth from that site. They never will. It would destroy their agenda to give complete context of statements.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The article left out the real reasons to give corporations tax breaks. Should I waste my time in the hopes that a single liberal among you will understand?

There is so much known reasoning missing from the article. I'll bet the people spoke the relavant words, but the author chose to ignore them.

I hope you don't expect the whole truth from that site. They never will. It would destroy their agenda to give complete context of statements.

Well since you were able to nail the definition of patriotism maybe we could learn something from you about corporate tax breaks....

[Wild Cobra]

Well since you were able to nail the definition of patriotism maybe we could learn something from you about corporate tax breaks....
Every time I explain it, I just get tired of people not understanding such simple concepts.

One reason we have a trade deficit is because of our tax structure. Other 1st world countries use some type of a consumption tax as their primary revenue generator. We primarily use income tax for revenue generation. Here's what happens.

A European or Japanese company makes a product and has almost no tax load on the product for export. We have no consumption tax, therefore, the product is relatively cheap for us to buy, and support their economy and keep their people employed.

A USA company makes a product. We tax the companies income and matching SS/Medicare insurance. These added costs are generally between 20% to 25% total to the USA consumer, above the imports. When we sell these products overseas, guess what. Nobody wants them, except maybe the occasional wealthy German who wants to drive a Ford GT, Viper, etc. on the autobahn. After the costs have the embedded USA taxes in them, they then must pay the consumption taxes over there.

Effectively, imports to the USA have little taxes applied to them, but exports of USA products are effectively double taxed.

Like it or not, we are in a global economy. Everything we see in our relatively poor economy has to do with our trade imbalance. Leveling the playing field by changing our tax structure is the only thing that will save this countries economy, unless we reenact tariffs that will level the playing field.

We are a nation that can do better than others. We have proven it from birth, till globalization. We cannot continue as a first world country is we are going to export our manufacturing jobs. We must level the playing field, and bring real manufacturing back to the USA.

Now before you talk about cheap labor elsewhere, remember that the cost of transportation offsets that. The factors that make the real differences are the different ways we tax.

Even thinking just internally, less tax equals more money to higher employees...

More employed workers equals a larger tax base.

The concept in the short term generates less revenue, but in the long term, generates far more as the economy grows.

[PixelPusher]

Please, by all means, grant us simple people the context to fully understand the meaning behind her "pride" in the fact that her constituents lead the nation in working 2+ jobs and longer hours.

[Wild Cobra]

Please, by all means, grant us simple people the context to fully understand the meaning behind her "pride" in the fact that her constituents lead the nation in working 2+ jobs and longer hours.
I don't know what she meant by that, want me to guess? I can do that you know. Point is, the article didn't place any context to it, and is leaving it to our imaginations.

My remarks were focused on the lack of context to really understand the real points. They were also more in responce to Eric Cantor's quotes. Not Michele Bachmann's, except for the context is lacking for both. I fully underatsnt the corporate tax break idea. I need more context for Bachmann's remarks to make any reasonable sense.

[clambake]

:depressed sorry.

i read the title and thought it was an oxymoron thread.

[PEP]

Any business owners here? They should be able to better explain that they are the people who make the economy run and tax breaks do help small business owners. Any raise in taxes forces them to cut jobs and downsize.

Usually when others who dont agree with your position and have no facts to back up their statements will either start to make jokes or move on to something else to argue about. Usually light a sparkler and hand it to them and they'll be fine.

[inconvertible]

circumvent organized labor

[PixelPusher]

I'm just curious as to why Rep. Michele Bachmann thinks her constituents needing to work two jobs and longer hours is something to brag about.

[SouthernFried]

What's the point? Socialist/liberal mindsets cannot comprehend this type of thinking.

"Like, it would be better to have no jobs, than 2 jobs...it's just fucking unamerican to work that freakin' hard. Why, people in France and Australia don't fucking have to work this hard! We shouldn't have to work this fucking hard!

Goddamned capitalists! 2 fucking jobs!!

fuck that..."

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[PixelPusher]

What's the point? Socialist/liberal mindsets cannot comprehend this type of thinking.

"Like, it would be better to have no jobs, than 2 jobs...it's just fucking unamerican to work that freakin' hard. Why, people in France and Australia don't fucking have to work this hard! We shouldn't have to work this fucking hard!

Goddamned capitalists! 2 fucking jobs!!

fuck that..."

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Please, impart your mysterious conservative wisdom upon us simple folk, and help us understand why working twice as hard for a living as the previous generation of Americans is a good thing.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm just curious as to why Rep. Michele Bachmann thinks her constituents needing to work two jobs and longer hours is something to brag about.
Then pick up the phone during east coast business hours, call (202) 224-3121, ask for her office and ask them to explain.

[SouthernFried]

Please, impart your mysterious conservative wisdom upon us simple folk, and help us understand why working twice as hard for a living as the previous generation of Americans is a good thing.

When you find Americans working twice as hard as ANY of our forebearers, call the enquirer. Their always looking for the bizarre.

[PixelPusher]

When you find Americans working twice as hard as ANY of our forebearers, call the enquirer. Their always looking for the bizarre.
That's the best you can come up with? A lame geezer rant about how those goddamn kids are all a bunch of slackers?

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2005/08/productivity_graph2.gif

http://joejolly.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/42041256-wages-prod-416gr1.gif

[PixelPusher]

Then pick up the phone during east coast business hours, call (202) 224-3121, ask for her office and ask them to explain.
Spend money on a long distance call when I can email for free? tsk...tsk...and here I thought you were a fiscal conservative.



Dear Congresswoman Bachmann,

With the full understanding that I am not one of your constituents, I respectfully ask that you expound upon this statement:

"I am so proud to be from the state of Minnesota. We’re the workingest state in the country, and the reason why we are, we have more people that are working longer hours, we have people that are working two jobs."

Taking into consideration that wages for Americans are falling even as productivity continues to increase, why does the extra burden of a second job and longer hours carried by your constituents fill you with pride?

Sincerely,

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If I recieve a reply, I'll post it on this thread.

[Wild Cobra]

Spend money on a long distance call when I can email for free? tsk...tsk...and here I thought you were a fiscal conservative.

Since when does being a fiscal conservative mean to pinch pennies? Besides, I have free long distance on my cell phone. Even if I didn't, I like the personal touch. I call their offices when I have a question. Letters and E-Mails almost always get canned responses. Person to person, you can actually have a conversation!

Sorry. Thought you were more on a new technology type. Sorry you don't have free long distance. For five lines, I pay $99.99 for the first two, $10 each for the next three. I added unlimited multimedia messaging for all five lines for $20. With taxes and fees, I pay $161.xx per month. Sorry, I forget the cents. The T-Mobile family plan includes free weekends, free nights, free long distance, all the standard cell functions, and free T-Mobile to T-Mobile.

Not bad for five lines.

[SouthernFried]

That's the best you can come up with? A lame geezer rant about how those goddamn kids are all a bunch of slackers?

Damn...your right, my bad.


When you find liberal/socialist Americans working twice as hard as ANY of our forebearers, call the enquirer. Their always looking for the bizarre.

Fixed.

[PixelPusher]

When you find liberal/socialist Americans working twice as hard as ANY of our forebearers, call the enquirer. Their always looking for the bizarre.

Get off yer lazy, welfare collecting asses and get a job, you damn hippies!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Us_unemployment_rates_1950_2005.png/800px-Us_unemployment_rates_1950_2005.png

Which leaves roughly 95% of Americans that are working, and contributing to the historic high productivity level I cited earlier.

Steeeeeeeeerike Two!

[SouthernFried]

Oh...this is good news indeed!! We have great productivity growth, great unemployment figures. Vote Republican!

On a side note...

Figures and stat's...what would we do without 'em?

Amazing how women are now working, but, unemployment figures haven't changed much since the 50's, when there were less of them working (can't claim unemployment when you don't work, damnitall.)

We don't produce anything anymore (we're an 80% service economy,) but productivity consistently rising CANNOT have anything to do with implementing new "measurement" techniques of productivity (can't base productivity on goods if you don't make any, there must be other "multiple factors")... or using gross sales of chinese made, well...everything... as part of the equation.

And salaries not keeping up with the new great productivity figures probably has to do with greedy people keeping more of that great increase...and little to do with jobs being at Walmart instead of GM.

Ahh, economists and statistics...

But I have to agree...it is nice to see Liberals and Socialists working so damned hard.

[Extra Stout]

Statistics are only valid when they reinforce your preconceived ideology. Otherwise, they reflect bias on the part of the statistician.