2005 NFL Draft Order

[samikeyp]

(I figure this is a ducks question)

Does anyone know the 2005 Draft Order, at least for the non-playoff teams? I know SF is #1

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

My guess - if it's directly by league standings only and not knowing any trades or things like that...

SF
Cleveland
Miami
Tampa Bay
Oakland
Tennessee
Chicago
Dallas
Detroit
Washington
Arizona
NYG
Carolina
KC
Houston
Minnesota
St. Louis
New Orleans
Cincy
Seattle
Buffalo
Jacksonville
Baltimore
Green Bay
NYJ
Denver
Atlanta
Indy
San Diego
Philly
New England
Pittsburgh

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/standings?season=2004&breakdown=1&split=0&seasonType=2

[samikeyp]

I think you are correct but Dallas would be after Washington since they have the tie breaker of head to head matchups.

[Mr Dio]

So does Dallas go for a DE, DT, LB or WR with #8 overall & what should they do with #21 overall? At #8 overall many good players will still be left. I think a S with the 2nd rounder. Unless there is a good pass rush next yr no use in investing a high pick on a CB.

[CHAMPS AGAIN]

Knowing PARCELLS he probaly trade the draft pick for more trades in the later rounds.

[Hook Dem]

Unless I am mistaken, Dallas has two 1st round picks from Buffalo.

[samikeyp]

they have two first round picks, one is theirs, one is Buffalo's.

[Mr Dio]

#8 is Dallas' & #21 is via Buffalo.

[samikeyp]

Do you have a link to the draft order, bro?

[Mr Dio]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/feature/featureStory?page=nfldraft05

[Duff McCartney]

It's a sad day for the Cowboys when mere hours after the season is over...everybody is looking to the draft instead of the playoffs.

[Duff McCartney]

I haven't looked at many boards...but this is the first one I seen where none of the top ten projected picks isn't Leinart or Rodgers. I don't think either one should be a top ten pick....maybe Rodgers.

[Mr Dio]

Those are how Kiper rates them. They will be drafted in different order for sure. SF & Cle need QBs BAD. Mia needs a RB. After that isn't quite as clear. Dallas is in of players & has been for sometime now. Only NE & Phi can claim consistentcy but losing 3 Conf games doesn't bode well for Phi. Neither does TO's inj.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

1 San Francisco 49ers 2-14
2 Cleveland Browns 4-12
3 Miami Dolphins 4-12
4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 5-11
5 Oakland Raiders 5-11
6 Tennessee Titans 5-11
7 Chicago Bears 5-11
8 Dallas Cowboys 6-10
9 Detroit Lions 6-10
10 Washington Redskins 6-10
11 Arizona Cardinals 6-10
12* San Diego Chargers 12-4
13 Carolina Panthers 7-9
14 Kansas City Chiefs 7-9
15 Houston Texans 7-9
16 Minnesota Vikings 8-8
17 St. Louis Rams 8-8
18 New Orleans Saints 8-8
19 Cincinnati Bengals 8-8
20 Seattle Seahawks 9-7
21* Dallas Cowboys 6-10
22 Jacksonville Jaguars 9-7
23 Baltimore Ravens 9-7
24 Green Bay Packers 10-6
25 New York Jets 10-6
26 Denver Broncos 10-6
27 Atlanta Falcons 11-5
28 Indianapolis Colts 12-4
29 San Diego Chargers 12-4
30 Philadelphia Eagles 13-3
31 New England Patriots 14-2
32 Pittsburgh Steelers 15-1

Order determined by standings only, for tiebreaker information, click here.

*: NY Giants have traded their pick to San Diego; Buffalo has traded their pick to Dallas

[Duff McCartney]

I still dont think Leinart is the answer for the 49ers at QB. Rodgers might be but I have doubts about Leinart as a pro.

[jalbre6]

I think it'll go Leinart to SF, Rodgers to Miami, that OL from Florida State (Baron something) to the Titans, Benson to Oakland, Braylon Edwards to Cleveland (though they need a QB too), and then Derrick Johnson to San Diego. Alex Smith isn't going to drop very far either after seeing what other mid-major conference QB's like Big Ben and Leftwich have done.

[samikeyp]

Thanks, Dio.

If Johnson is there at 8, Parcells will grab him.

[Mr Dio]

I would love it if Dallas got DJ! I read that the UVA LB Brooks is even better because of his upside & current size/speed. I ask you Mikey, don't you think whoever comes in @ QB for the 'Boys would need a weapon @ WR? I am soooo split @ the thought of having Mike Williams OR Braylon Edwards. We'd still be able to get a decent pass rushing/athletic LB or DL @ #21 overall right? Then grab Woody's replacement in the 2nd round @ #8. Plus, we still have quite a few mil $ UNDER THE CAP.

[Dre_7]

You guys are forgeting that Leinart has said that he will ABSOLUTLY come back for his senior year. As an San Francisco fan, I think it would have been a good choice to get Leinart, but if he stays in college I think SF should get WR Mike Williams. Rattay can be decent with a good line. And if he had Williams, B. Lloyd, and R. Woods to throw to, SF could have a good offense. SF's D will be good if they can stay HEALTHY for once!!!!

For the first time in a long time, It kinda sucks to be a SF fan. :(
Oh well, next year we will get back on track!

[scott]

Head-to-head is not a tiebreaker for the NFL draft, Opp Win % is the Tie-Breaker, and then its a coin flip.

Dallas should be picking 11th (their pick) and 20th (from Buff)

[ducks]

I wonder what teams would give up for p rivers?


first round draft picks and a good players?

rivers might like the 49 ers

[samikeyp]

Tough call, Dio. I would lean toward Edwards just slightly but Williams would not be bad either.

[samikeyp]

ahh...then if Dallas is at 11....no way in hell will DJ drop. :(

[Jimcs50]

Washington is 9...get it right!!!

[Jimcs50]

tiebreaker is based on strength of schedule.

[samikeyp]

Score one for Jimbo. Per NFL.com...


NEW YORK (Jan. 3, 2005) -- The San Francisco 49ers will make the first choice of the 2005 National Football League Draft on April 23-24, the league announced.

The 49ers' choice will be followed by the Miami Dolphins picking second and Cleveland Browns third. Draft-order ties are resolved by the cumulative record of each team's opponents. The team with the weaker opponents receives drafting priority.

Within a tied segment, non-playoff clubs are given priority over playoff clubs. Priority of playoff clubs within a tied segment will be based on their advancement in the playoffs, but they will not drop out of their tied segment unless they participate in the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl champion will select 32nd and the runner-up 31st.

Link (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8063536)

[Mr Dio]

I saw that last night during the Sugar Bowl & was like, "What the who what who?"

[samikeyp]

It's a sad day for the Cowboys when mere hours after the season is over...everybody is looking to the draft instead of the playoffs.

Some of us didn't wait that long! :)

[Mr Dio]

Some of us didn't wait that long! I was hoping them & Buf would lose a couple more games back in Nov to ensure a higher draft pick. I say now like I've said before, a real fan deals with realism & I knew realistically that the 'Boys wouldn't win the SB even if they got in the playoffs. I ask all 'Boy bashers, can you name your team & who you think might win the SB? Only real adults need answer.

[samikeyp]

some posters lack the ability to pick a team. they choose two or three in hopes of getting one right. The good ones though pick their team and stick with them no matter what. Like Ducks, Jim and Zak do with the Skins and you, me, Hook and Scott do with the Cowboys.

[Duff McCartney]

I'm a Cowboys fan...through thick and thin. But I'm also a realist...I actually didn't want them to lose the last two games. As long as I got to see Henson or Romo...but of course.. Parcells is a retard and didn't let them play so I was disappointed.

I'd have actually wanted Buffalo to lose so the Cowboys could get a higher pick. But you just gotta make do.

[samikeyp]

you are such a fucking liar, Duff. You said in this very forum that you liked San Francisco and Dallas. You have also said that you were glad that Owens pulled his crap w/SF because you didn't like the way the team was going and wanted to see them get beat.

[scott]

Score one for Jimbo. Per NFL.com...


NEW YORK (Jan. 3, 2005) -- The San Francisco 49ers will make the first choice of the 2005 National Football League Draft on April 23-24, the league announced.

The 49ers' choice will be followed by the Miami Dolphins picking second and Cleveland Browns third. Draft-order ties are resolved by the cumulative record of each team's opponents. The team with the weaker opponents receives drafting priority.

Within a tied segment, non-playoff clubs are given priority over playoff clubs. Priority of playoff clubs within a tied segment will be based on their advancement in the playoffs, but they will not drop out of their tied segment unless they participate in the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl champion will select 32nd and the runner-up 31st.

Link (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8063536)

Fuck Jim... Score one for scott, I pointed this out first!

:)

[scott]

Also, DJ might not be there at 11, but Ahmad Brooks (LB from UVA) might be... I'd like to see us draft him.

A lot of directions we could take with the higher of the two picks... guys I'd keep an eye on:

Ahmad Brooks LB
Mike Williams WR
Braylon Edwards WR(I think one of the two will slip)
Mathias Kiwanuka DE (6'7" DE with tons of speed... bust potential though, IMO... see Ekubust)
D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT (probably no chance of falling this far)
Alex Barron OT

With the second pick, there are a few guys we could take, mostly on defense, but none that really stick out. This is a pretty weak draft- not one you'd be too excited about having 2 first rounders in. I wouldn't be surprised if we traded out of the second first rounder to pick up some more 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Here are the guys I'd be interested in with the #20 pick:

Marlin Jackson CB
Carlos Rodgers CB
Anattaj Hawthorne DT
Rodrique Wright DT
David Pollack DE
Erasmus James DE
Thomas Davis S
Channing Crowder LB

Sadly, half of those guys won't be around at that point in the draft only because it is so weak... any other year they go late first round.

I wouldn't be opposed to losing one of our two first rounders to SD for Brees and using the other pick on the best player available.

[samikeyp]

My bad....upon further review...the call on the field is reversed...first down, Scott. :)


I wouldn't be opposed to losing one of our two first rounders to SD for Brees and using the other pick on the best player available.

I could live with that. If Williams or Edwards could slip and then get James or Pollack? Damn, that would be nice.

[scott]

Upon further review, this might be the least excited I've been going into an offseason in a long time... as of right now, these are the only players with a future in Dallas that extends beyond 1 or 2 years...

Julius Jones
Jason Witten
Roy Williams
Terrence Newman
Al Johnson

There are a couple other solid pieces in Glover, Ellis, and Allen- but they aren't spring chickens. This team has a long way to go... and this is both a weak year for FA and the Draft.

IMO, this is the best case scenario:

Free Agengency pickups:

1. Solid vet #2 CB... Ken Lucas, Andre Dyson, Anthony Henry, Fred Smoot, Jimmy Williams come to mind as FAs

2. John Abraham from the Jets. This is really the only FA DE worth signing. If we don't get him, I say we use one of the two first round draft picks on a DE.

3. QB Drew Brees or Matt Hasselbeck. Brees will likely cost a first rounder. Matt will be UFA.

4. Either OLB Julian Peterson or ILB Kendrell Bell. ILB Edge Hartwell from Baltimore and Antonio Pierce from the Deadskins would be other targets (I suspect Pierce will get a nice deal from the Skins though).

5. WR Jerry Porter from Oakland. Great potential- in the right opportunity I think he shines.

Assuming we can make those signings... here is how I see the draft shaking up:

1a (if we don't lose it for Brees) - Ahmad Brooks
1b - Hawthorne or a guy I forgot... DT Ngata- huge run stuffing DT- exactly what we need next to Glover
2 - S Thomas Davis if he manages to slip (doubtful, but possible), G Elton Brown, DE Dan Cody (tweener guy that could be a 3-4 OLB), or CB Jimmy Williams who will switch to S (played there last year)
4 - one of the RB prospects on the board... I would give a look at Sproles... he is tiny, but we don't need any every down back, just someone to give Julius a blow and he would be a great return guy... I could see him being the Cowboy's version of Dave Meggett (yep... a Parcells guy). We could take care of backup RB in FA... maybe Davenport from GB or Lamont Jordan.

Picks 5-7 would be reserved for obscure players that only Bill Parcells has heard of (see the last 2 drafts)