What Happens when Timmy D retires? [Archive]

The Nba Is Rigged

01-20-2008, 11:45 PM

San Antonio has been blessed with Tim Duncan, he has brought leadership, wisdom and defense to the spurs for years. He gave his fans championships and a reason to be proud. He showed a Mavs fan like me what happens when a team plays with HEART and TALENT. This guy is awesome, but what happens when he retires? I have heard something about you guys bringing in some guy named Ian Mahinmi, Spurs fans should start thinking about this. As sad as it is for me to see your Dynasty end its inevitable. But what happens after the dynasty? I just hope you guys don't suck cuz i have really enjoyed my Mavs rivalry with the spurs. Good luck to you guys next time they meet my Mavs it should be a fun game as usual.

ChumpDumper

01-20-2008, 11:46 PM

:lol

TDMVPDPOY

01-20-2008, 11:52 PM

09/10 off season is when the class of 03 makes there scene on the FM

spurs should either target, wade, lebron, bosh.....

jaffies

01-20-2008, 11:54 PM

:wakeup

exstatic

01-21-2008, 12:27 AM

I smell an ES driveby...

Viva Las Espuelas

01-21-2008, 12:29 AM

you must be mad the cowboys lost and very bored.

RuffnReadyOzStyle

01-21-2008, 12:30 AM

He's 32, and his retirement is 3-5 years away. No need to think about it right now.

duncan228

01-21-2008, 12:38 AM

Duncan is 31. He'll be 32 in April.

m33p0

01-21-2008, 12:38 AM

ian mahinmi a franchise player?! wow. this mavs fan is dumb.

RuffnReadyOzStyle

01-21-2008, 12:41 AM

Duncan is 31. He'll be 32 in April.

Sorry, I knew he turned 32 this season but was too lazy to look up when... :lol

Marklar MM

01-21-2008, 12:45 AM

Just tank and draft the next Duncan... :hungry:

Matchman

01-21-2008, 12:48 AM

The Nba Is Rigged

01-21-2008, 12:50 AM

ian mahinmi a franchise player?! wow. this mavs fan is dumb.

I never said he was going to be a franchise player, maybe you should read my post over cuz it doesn't say anything about ian mahinmi becoming a franchise player. I guess your the one who's dumb for trying to put words in my mouth.......

Tek_XX

01-21-2008, 01:01 AM

When Tim retires, Pop retires and then we tank the next season.

meaniemarini

01-21-2008, 01:14 AM

BonnerDynasty

01-21-2008, 01:17 AM

Depression.

RuffnReadyOzStyle

01-21-2008, 01:17 AM

I hope u guys will stay here and continue to root for the spurs after it becomes a lottery team. I am a rockets fan ever since the championship years and i have never hop off the Rocketwagon. I stayed with the rockets after the Stockton shot, after the Francis-lottery era, and after the 04-05 debacle season. I hope you guys will do the same. Bandwagoners are bad!

The bandwagoners will leave, and good riddance. The SFFL (Spurs fans for life), which describes most of the regulars around here I think, will stay.

I certainly am a SFFL. I rode out the disappointment of the 90s, now I'm lapping up the Golden Era, but I'm well aware that we're unlikely to get hit by lightning a THIRD time and that doesn't phase me at all. The Spurs will always be a big part of my life.

sa_kid20

01-21-2008, 01:24 AM

When Tim retires, Pop retires and then we tank the next season.
That's interesting. do you guys think Pop goes when Tim goes? I think he probably will but i would like to see how Pop does with a Duncan-less team. Also if Pop leaves when Tim does that would make his coaching career a lot shorter than other "great" coaches (Sloan, Nelson,Jackson, Riley). I highly doubt Pop ever coming back to coaching when he decides to leave and if that happens to be when Tim goes it's gonna look like he just rode the Duncan era into the Hall of Fame which honestly would seem kinda cheap IMO so i hope he sticks around after Duncan.

TDMVPDPOY

01-21-2008, 01:36 AM

trade for d12 or greg oden

m33p0

01-21-2008, 01:49 AM

I never said he was going to be a franchise player, maybe you should read my post over cuz it doesn't say anything about ian mahinmi becoming a franchise player. I guess your the one who's dumb for trying to put words in my mouth.......
then why single him out? you, like your thread, are dumb.

debo

01-21-2008, 01:53 AM

The bandwagoners will leave, and good riddance. The SFFL (Spurs fans for life), which describes most of the regulars around here I think, will stay.

I certainly am a SFFL. I rode out the disappointment of the 90s, now I'm lapping up the Golden Era, but I'm well aware that we're unlikely to get hit by lightning a THIRD time and that doesn't phase me at all. The Spurs will always be a big part of my life.

bring on the hardship :hungry:
im a spur for life :fro

T Park

01-21-2008, 01:59 AM

timmy21_4rings

01-21-2008, 02:14 AM

That's interesting. do you guys think Pop goes when Tim goes? I think he probably will but i would like to see how Pop does with a Duncan-less team. Also if Pop leaves when Tim does that would make his coaching career a lot shorter than other "great" coaches (Sloan, Nelson,Jackson, Riley). I highly doubt Pop ever coming back to coaching when he decides to leave and if that happens to be when Tim goes it's gonna look like he just rode the Duncan era into the Hall of Fame which honestly would seem kinda cheap IMO so i hope he sticks around after Duncan.

True..It might very well be that he and TD retire on the same day, considering Pop is in his late 50s...He will be in early 60s when Tim retires. Just can not fault Pop..May be 1 or 2 years after Tim's retirement...Pop became head coach very late..

As far as HOF is concerned, I am not sure if Pop would be eligible to apply as Coach as he has to be in Coaching ranks (assistant or head) for 25 years..If he is eligible, he would definitely enter HOF, for not screwing the dynasty.

T Park

01-21-2008, 02:18 AM

POP's playoff winning percentage, wins in the playoffs, and overall record will get him in. Also numbers of championships as well.

Knowing him, he would show up for the ceremony, lament how he had zilch to do with anything, and have Budenholzer read the acceptance speach.

MrChug

01-21-2008, 02:40 AM

I really didn't have the "worst" time during the 90's era. Sure I WONDERED why they couldn't get over the hump, but actually I enjoyed seeing even 'Nique in a Spurs uni. The losing didn't bother me...I took it in stride and knew it wouldn't continue. I do however know that it made the winning all the better.

greens

01-21-2008, 02:56 AM

Pop retires, Parker will have to be begged to stay, the development of guys like Splitter and Mahinmi will be huge. Finding a shooting guard to replace some of the production of Manu, who IMO has 3 to 4 years left will be imperitive.
Personally I try not to think about it. Too depressing :lol

Tony always says that his future as a Spur depends on Pop/Tim/Manu, when they all retire...what their plans might be...

So yup, who knows...

However, Timmy is still 31...I can see him playing for maybe 6 more years, till 37...Manu is 30, so I don't know why you think he'll retire in 3 years, that would make him 33...Who retires at 33? Like Tim, I think he can still play till 37ish, around that time. And plus, I don't think I've ever read any articles about Manu thinking about retirement. I did read about Timmy and Pop thinking about retiring in the future...but not Manu. It could be that both Timmy/Pop will retire sooner, and Tony might stay with the Spurs if Manu possibly decides to stay longer...

Anyway, I'm just enjoying the time right now, seeing Tim/Manu/Tony/Bruce playing together...I think the core of these four players all have contracts for at least two more years together as Spurs...

Please_dont_ban_me

01-21-2008, 05:47 AM

A few years ago I'd say we will be a very average team.

But with Duncan's decreased role and the whole 'motion offense' type deal we run, I could see someone else in there (Read: Not Oberto...I mean a real post presence we bring in) and the Spurs could still be a top 4 seed in the West.

Tony Parker is that damn good.

m33p0

01-21-2008, 06:22 AM

the obvious one, of course, is the end of the duncan era. but the spurs will only be 1 or 2 marquee players away back into contention. parker will probably be traded to get 1 of those players, most likely a big man since the spurs had always had success with a big man. no reason to go away from that formula. however, the future of the spurs might come sooner rather than later when duncan's contract extension kicks in. the spurs have enough cap space plus the allure of a possible championship to bring in a high profile player.

genomefreak13

01-21-2008, 06:35 AM

I have heard something about you guys bringing in some guy named Ian Mahinmi, Spurs fans should start thinking about this. As sad as it is for me to see your Dynasty end its inevitable.

Retirement is too far out in Tim's future. Ian Mahinmi cannot and will not replace Duncan as SPURS' premier center. He's in the roster to provide athlethicism in the front court (Something that DUNCAN doesn't have alot of). In answer to the question...If Duncan retires in the future, it doesn't necessarily means that the spurs dynasty would end. It only means that the team will take a new character, because of the personnel change.

Whoever is chosen to lead this team will dictate the new character of the team. In the present, the spurs is betting their ass on Tiago Splitter to carry-on the Duncan (fundamentalist-based) character team. Splitter is no Duncan as of yet, but he plays similarly to Duncan. If ever Timmy retires, I think , he's our guy (unless the spurs discovers a new and better player).

I believe that spurs is doing great in planning for the future. As compared with other teams, spurs' scout has proven their worth (after getting all star quality player like ginobili and parker). When they choose splitter in the draft, I have no doubt that the team is looking ahead of the Duncan era. As of now, they can stil afford to experiment on some new guys. I believe that Timmy would exit the league in the same way as David Robinson did. He would play with splitter for several seasons, and when split is ready and Timmy is too old -he would retire with a championship ring. :p:

Ed Helicopter Jones

01-21-2008, 11:44 AM

What Happens when Timmy D retires?

Go Magic!

thousandth

01-21-2008, 11:58 AM

When Timmy D retires I'll probably commit suicide with a Timmy pic in my hand

manufor3

01-21-2008, 01:02 PM

Timmy signed for less money so we could go after Wade (or LeBron or Bosh).

dg7md

01-21-2008, 01:22 PM

First round exits.

pooh

01-21-2008, 02:25 PM

normalicy shall return and all will be right with the world once again.

The Nba Is Rigged

01-21-2008, 03:49 PM

then why single him out? you, like your thread, are dumb.

No your the one who's dumb,you stupid mother fu*ker, your probably gunna abandon your team as soon as tim duncan retires, that's why you don't care,you stupid bandwagon motherfu*ker, stfu b*tch, FU*K YOU

ShoogarBear

01-21-2008, 03:49 PM

Blazer Fandom, here I come!

:hungry::hungry:

txstr1986

01-21-2008, 05:03 PM

Vinny Del Negro

01-21-2008, 05:08 PM

Just tank and draft the next Duncan... :hungry:

Quoting for emphasis.

Kori Ellis

01-21-2008, 05:47 PM

What Happens when Timmy D retires?

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dbreiden83080

01-21-2008, 05:48 PM

Back to the lottery the Spurs will go, is what will happen.

ShoogarBear

01-21-2008, 05:50 PM

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AFBlue

01-21-2008, 06:06 PM

Realistically, I think alot of it hinges on 2010.

As it has been alluded to, Tim left money on the table because of a promise by Spurs FO to go out in 2010 and get a star to play next to him for his last two years. If the Spurs could land someone like Chris Bosh it would do more than make them the favorites for the next two years while Timmy played...

It would also 1) give Tony a BIG reason to re-sign with the ballclub when he comes up for a contract extension a year later and 2) give the Spurs a long-term frontline starter that is capable of giving double-double production night in and night out.

Bottom Line: If the Spurs hit a home run in 2010 they could remain competitive and relevant for at least 3 or 4 more years beyond when Duncan retires.

If they strike out, it could lead to Tony bolting and Manu & Tim retiring shortly thereafter.

Don Quixote

01-21-2008, 06:15 PM

i have really enjoyed my Mavs rivalry with the spurs.

As have we. We have truly enjoyed watching (a) San Antonio generally spanking the Mavs with regularity, or (b) watching Dallas go down in flames when they actually manage to beat us. Yes, we enjoyed it.

Don Quixote

01-21-2008, 06:18 PM

Personally, I'm not fond of this future talk. The present is far too sweet.

Let tomorrow worry about itself, and enjoy the championships now!

Let Dallas/Phoenix/Portland/whoever pine for the hardware that WE have.

GrandeDavid

01-21-2008, 06:21 PM

Once Duncan retires, we all pray that the Spurs follow the path of the post Malone/Stockton Utah Jazz.

sa_kid20

01-21-2008, 06:22 PM

Personally, I'm not fond of this future talk. The present is far too sweet.

Let tomorrow worry about itself, and enjoy the championships now!
Thats probably what Celtic fans were saying in the 80's.

Spurs Dynasty 21

01-21-2008, 06:24 PM

When TD retires, it will be a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time before the Spurs are relevant again

unless Spurs strike gold again in the draft, but if the Spurs can't get players to come to SA with TD they will never come

Don Quixote

01-21-2008, 06:30 PM

All this negativity. What is it about us ... in the midst of our greatest success and glory, we still can't stop and enjoy it? We have what every other team wants -- the titles and the bragging rights that go with it.

I know for a fact that the vile tripe sprewed at us from Mavs-Suns Fan (essentially the same person), is mostly jealousy. We have the titles, they want it. Period. So let him worry about the future, how much they're going to suck when so-and-so leaves (answer: alot), etc. We look down on them, holding the rings (metaphorically), and laugh.

raspsa

01-21-2008, 06:33 PM

That's interesting. do you guys think Pop goes when Tim goes? I think he probably will but i would like to see how Pop does with a Duncan-less team. Also if Pop leaves when Tim does that would make his coaching career a lot shorter than other "great" coaches (Sloan, Nelson,Jackson, Riley). I highly doubt Pop ever coming back to coaching when he decides to leave and if that happens to be when Tim goes it's gonna look like he just rode the Duncan era into the Hall of Fame which honestly would seem kinda cheap IMO so i hope he sticks around after Duncan.

The first time I heard that Pop woud retire when Tim did, I thought he was joking. I thought at the time that he would feel some commitmen to helpthe team rebuild. He would still be relatively young and coaching is what he knows best, next to wines and he's one of the higest paid coaches in the world. But hen I read an article where basically he said that he doesn't "enjoy" games but he can appreciate them.. so now I'm not so sure he'll stick around when TD retires. Either way I'll be happy for him.

DazedAndConfused

01-21-2008, 06:35 PM

Well when Timmy retires the Spurs will inevitably suck for a couple seasons and have to rebuild. It happens to all championship franchises. The good thing is your FO is one of the best in the league and I'm sure it won't be long until the Spurs are relevant again.

jay014

01-21-2008, 06:52 PM

should start right after the season building around Tony.

Tippecanoe

01-21-2008, 06:54 PM

should start right after the season building around Tony.

tony may not stay in SA. just saying.

sa_kid20

01-21-2008, 06:56 PM

Honestly i don't think Tony is the kind of guy you should build your team around.

AFBlue

01-21-2008, 07:02 PM

How many teams successfully build around PGs these days? I think Tony would be an integral piece of the puzzle going forward, but the Spurs MUST get a good/great frontline player to ease the scoring burden off Tony.

That is why I'm all about the Spurs going after Chris Bosh in 2010. At 26, he'd be the perfect frontline player to go alongside TD for his last two years and then "build around" thereafter, IMO.

jay014

01-21-2008, 07:09 PM

Honestly i don't think Tony is the kind of guy you should build your team around.
Manu would be perfect as trade bait(package deal).

tlongII

01-21-2008, 07:14 PM

You hope for a high lottery pick.

FromWayDowntown

01-21-2008, 07:17 PM

It's not as if the Spurs have some long history of not being good. In 32 NBA seasons, they've made the playoffs 27 times, have the 2nd best regular season winning percentage in league history, and have the 4th best postseason winning percentage in league history. For all the things some might say they aren't, history says that the Spurs are genuinely among the very best franchises over the history of the NBA.

Saying things like "back to normalcy" completely misstates history.

In truth, unless there is another rash of injuries like 1996-97 and the Spurs again come up lucky in the lottery, there will undoubtedly be some bad times ahead when Duncan retires and the Spurs will have to rebuild. But it's going to take a Clipper-like stretch of futility to undo the Spurs historical successes.

sa_kid20

01-21-2008, 07:23 PM

Manu would be perfect as trade bait(package deal).
You honetly think the FO would trade Manu to help build a team around Tony? Thats just stupid.

FromWayDowntown

01-21-2008, 07:27 PM

Manu would be perfect as trade bait(package deal).

Actually, I think Manu would pretty much be a terrible trade bait. Given how relatively low his salary is, there's very little chance that you could get value-for-value in dealing Manu. The only way that you could would require picking up a rising star, but then you're making the other team (in most cases) give up both a young star and some filler to pick up a guy who's an All-Star but not a franchise player and who is probably older in basketball years than his chronological age.

On top of that, in trading Manu, the Spurs would basically be throwing in the towel for the immediate future.

jay014

01-21-2008, 07:27 PM

You honetly think the FO would trade Manu to help build a team around Tony? Thats just stupid.
Just make the team younger and if a better deal comes along for Tony, fuck it.Later Tony. Tim's the only one that you can't trade.

FromWayDowntown

01-21-2008, 07:28 PM

Just make the team younger and if a better deal comes along for Tony, fuck it.Later Tony. Tim's the only one that you can't trade.

Trading Tony has the same problem as trading Manu -- Tony doesn't make enough to get a great established player and makes too much to get a rising star.

jay014

01-21-2008, 07:30 PM

You hope for a high lottery pick.
Nohttp://www.gregodenclub.info/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/go3.jpg rather have a guy thats been in the league between 3 to 5years.

ShoogarBear

01-21-2008, 08:06 PM

But it's going to take a Clipper-like stretch of futility to undo the Spurs historical successes.To undo all the records, yes.

But I say all you have to do is look at the Celtics and Bulls to see how bad it could get without necessarily moving them down the all-time rankings.

TMTTRIO

01-21-2008, 09:43 PM

Manu would be perfect as trade bait(package deal).
You might as well wait until 2010 when Manu comes off the books and is a Free agent because your probably not going to get anything worth it. By then you could aim for some big free agents

e20dylan

01-21-2008, 10:15 PM

manu will get his number retired and be a spur forever.

dav4463

01-21-2008, 11:48 PM

When Tim retires, I may cry! Seriously, we will realize just how privileged we have been to witness such a great, classy player. I hope he stays with the Spurs in some capacity as long as possible.

When I was a kid, I thought no one could ever represent the Spurs like the Iceman George Gervin. Then along came David Robinson who equaled Gervin in my eyes. Tim surpasses both as the greatest Spur of all time.

I guess we can just wait for the next great Spur to come along when Tim retires. Hopefully, we won't turn into the Hawks or Clippers. I don't think we will though, the Spurs organization is a winning organization who will find a way to rebuild.

Mr.Bottomtooth

01-21-2008, 11:54 PM

When Tim retires, I may cry!
We will all cry. It's okay to admit it.

m33p0

01-22-2008, 12:57 AM

No your the one who's dumb,you stupid mother fu*ker, your probably gunna abandon your team as soon as tim duncan retires, that's why you don't care,you stupid bandwagon motherfu*ker, stfu b*tch, FU*K YOU
take your chill pill, dude. just because i pointed out an error (or was it an error?) in your statement doesn't mean you have to go to the deep end.

but really, why mention mahimmi with duncan in your statement other than to say he's the spurs' next cornerstone? really stupid statement. really.

:lol :lol :lol

m33p0

01-22-2008, 12:59 AM

Manu would be perfect as trade bait(package deal).
not gonna happen. most likely manu will retire alongside timmy or maybe a year earlier. he's frantic style doesn't exactly lend to longevity. he'll retire a spur.

anyway, all the spurs' FO has to do is wait til duncan's contract extension kicks (2010?) and trade or lure a high profile free agent in. 2009 won't be a good year for the spurs but lets hope splitter and mahinmi will be enough of a good fit to let the team have a good run. its in 2010 when the FO will be making its big moves. and if they play their cards right, post-duncan spurs will be bright indeed.

howbouthemspurs

01-22-2008, 01:19 PM

We shoulnt be talking about him retiring yet.. he still has a good five years ahead of him... Spurs just need to continue surrounding him with efficient talent so they can stay title contenders.

The Nba Is Rigged

01-22-2008, 03:47 PM

take your chill pill, dude. just because i pointed out an error (or was it an error?) in your statement doesn't mean you have to go to the deep end.

but really, why mention mahimmi with duncan in your statement other than to say he's the spurs' next cornerstone? really stupid statement. really.

:lol :lol :lol

Yea I'm sorry for overreacting but I was a little pissed, the only reason I even wrote about mahinmi was because he's the only player I heard so far of you guys getting in the future, I didn't say he was going to become your franchise cornerstone.

Ghost Writer

01-23-2008, 09:48 AM

GrandeDavid

01-23-2008, 12:45 PM

Well, on a lighter note, at least the Spurs fans who attended univerisities lacking a competitive basketball program will have a newfound interest in big time collegiate ball...the Spurs will be likely jockeying for some lottery talent once he retires. It'll make watching college games fun for said fans on Saturdays.

Ghost Writer

01-23-2008, 01:04 PM

I have read some of the posts in this thread and make no mistake that Ginobili and Parker are very good players, but they owe a lot to the presence of Duncan.

And by no means do you build a team around either of them.

It would be smart to look at a trade of Ginobili after Duncan retires for an up-and-coming player, because by that time Manu will be older and his style of play wears on one's body. He can only play at his level for about 3-5 more seasons.

rascal

01-23-2008, 02:49 PM

What happens?

We pray for another magical #1 draft pick to save our sorry @sses.

I don't think people really appreciate how lucky it is two draft a franchise big man with the #1 pick.

Twice.

Not only do you need the #1 pick.

You need the player to not be a stiff.

Once Duncan is gone it will take some losing and lean times to have a chance at a top lottery franchise player. The spurs don't have the front office to turn a weak franchise around by front office moves (trades and free agency).

rascal

01-23-2008, 02:53 PM

By the time Duncan retires Manu will not be worth very much. The spurs need to be adding some young pieces soon or the house of success will fall down all at once and they will have many holes.

JamStone

01-23-2008, 02:56 PM

One of the major problems when Duncan decides to retire is that his retirement will also most likely mean Pop's retirement as well. So, not only will the Spurs have to find a new foundation for the team (if it's not Parker), they'll also need to find the next coach to lead the next generation of Spurs. By the time Duncan retires, Manu will probably be close to retiring as well, so I don't think he'll be used as trade bait unless the Spurs do it a few years before Duncan retires. And, that likely won't happen because while Duncan and Manu are still around the Spurs should still be contending for NBA titles.

Ghost Writer

01-23-2008, 03:17 PM

I was looking forward to seeing Pop coach without Duncan.

Two ping pong balls separate us from the Bucks.

FromWayDowntown

01-23-2008, 03:27 PM

Ping pong balls -- or existing in a uniquely attractive market -- tend to make the difference between winning titles and not winning titles. The Spurs win titles because of Duncan; the Lakers won titles at the beginning of the decade because Kobe and Shaq each wanted to play in Los Angeles; the Bulls won titles because the Blazers took Sam Bowie; the Rockets won titles because they didn't give up on Hakeem Olajuwon (who they, in essence, won a lottery to get). Teams don't tend to win titles without luck in the draft -- even the Pistons won a title in 2004 on the backs of 3 lottery picks (though not their own lottery picks).

TMTTRIO

01-23-2008, 08:55 PM

It would be smart to look at a trade of Ginobili after Duncan retires for an up-and-coming player, because by that time Manu will be older and his style of play wears on one's body. He can only play at his level for about 3-5 more seasons.
Well I can't see Manu here anyways after Duncan retires. Manu will probably leave before or at the same time Tim retires plus his contract is for two more years after this one so the Spurs will have to decide whether to bring him back or not.