Heath Ledger dead

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

BC-APNewsAlert,0041

NEW YORK (AP) -- A New York Police Department spokesman says the actor Heath Ledger has been found dead at a downtown Manhattan residence.

[Spurminator]

The viral marketing campaign for TDK has officially gone too far.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

No way!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

The viral marketing campaign for TDK has officially gone too far.

I :lol'ed.

[Melmart1]

Damn, how sad if its true. He has a very young daughter, I think she is only a year or two old.

[The New Batman Movie]

Good thing I'm already made

[CubanMustGo]

It's the lead headline on CNN.com.

[Marklar MM]

Its on drudgereport as a SHOCK at the top of the page

[thispego]

omg, that sucks

[samikeyp]

wow.

[fatsack]

whoa... TMZ.com is reporting it...


http://www.tmz.com/

MZ has learned that Academy Award nominee Heath Ledger has died in NY.

He was found dead in his bed in one of his residences in Soho by his housekeeper at 3:35 PM ET today. Law enforcement sources tell TMZ they believe it was not a crime.

The 28-year-old actor has a two year old daughter with former fiancee Michelle Williams. He was set to play the Joker in the upcoming Batman film "The Dark Knight."

Story developing...

[JoeChalupa]

R.i.p.

[Thunder Dan]

damn that is terrible, only 29 years old. They say they die in 3's, I can't help but think that Amy Winehouse is next.

[Leetonidas]

Holy shit...

[Melmart1]

Wow, they said he was found in bed by his housekeeper and so far police don't think it was murder.

[Spurminator]

O.D.?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

BC-Obit-Ledger,0133

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Heath Ledger found dead in NYC building

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By TOM HAYS
Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK (AP) -- Heath Ledger was found dead Tuesday at a downtown Manhattan residence in a possible drug-related death, police said. He was 28.

NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said Ledger had an appointment for a massage at the Manhattan apartment believed to be his home. The housekeeper who went to let Ledger know the masseuse was there found him dead at 3:26 p.m.

The Australian-born actor was an Oscar nominee for his role in "Brokeback Mountain" and has numerous other screen credits.

[Marklar MM]

O.D.?

Who knows. Hopefully he just passed from cardiac arrest.

[katyon6th]

Wow. A friend of mine in California just called me to give me the news. He's working onset filming a commercial at a hotel in LA and he says things are crazy over there.

[Thunder Dan]

i wonder if he went to the same party Amy Winehouse did the other day

[CuckingFunt]

Wow.

I didn't see that one coming.

[monosylab1k]

I was about to make a horrible joke regarding Brokeback Mountain & a certain immune deficiency, but I thought better of it. I'll just log in as one of my trolls and crack it.

[Melmart1]

O.D.?
I just saw that they said he was "surrounded by pills" on MSNBC. So, I guess so.

[inconvertible]

he's on the brokeback mountain in the sky.

[monosylab1k]

this really sucks tho. Ledger was a damn good actor.

[Kriz-Maxima]

wow, i expected a few young stars to die soon, he was not one of them

[Melmart1]

Hmmm, seems they retracted the "surrounded by pills" part.

[Spurminator]

JB, you've got to do this more often, for one brief shining moment before the news sites posted the story, I was the most popular guy in the office.

[Jimcs50]

Really sad

R I P

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

One of our producers had this huge gasp when the AP alert crossed.

[JMarkJohns]

Complete shock. Damn... just, damn...

[1369]

Fred Phelps says "Told Ya!".

/Window seat please
//Wonder if they'll still release the Batman movie?

[timvp]

Never heard of him but R.I.P.

[monosylab1k]

NY Times confimed the part about the pills.

[CubanMustGo]

Hmm. Sydney Morning Herald says it was a OD:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/people/heath-ledger-dead/2008/01/23/1201024937592.html

Academy Award nominee Heath Ledger, 28, has died of a drug overdose in New York, police have confirmed.

He was found dead in his bed in one of his residences in Soho by his housekeeper at 3.35pm local time, TMZ said.

Law enforcement sources told TMZ they believe it was not a crime.

Ledger was born in Perth, Western Australia.

He was the son of Sally Ledger Bell, a French teacher, and Kim Ledger, a race car driver and mining engineer.

[JoeChalupa]

I just don't get it.

[Taco]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22788914/?GT1=10755

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/ArtAndPhoto-Fronts/ENTERTAINMENT/080122/g-ent-080122-ledger-2p.vsmall.jpg

Heath Ledger found dead in NYC apartment
28-year-old actor was nominated for Oscar for ‘Brokeback Mountain’
BREAKING NEWS
MSNBC News Services
updated 3:53 p.m. CT, Tues., Jan. 22, 2008
NEW YORK - Heath Ledger was found dead Tuesday at a downtown Manhattan residence in a possible drug-related death, police said. He was 28.

According to WNBC, Ledger was found with pills strewn all around him.

NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said Ledger had an appointment for a massage at the Manhattan apartment believed to be his home. The housekeeper who went to let Ledger know the masseuse was there found him dead at 3:26 p.m. ET.

The Australian-born actor has a two-year-old daughter with former fiancee Michelle Williams. Ledger was set to play the Joker in the upcoming Batman film "The Dark Knight." He received an Academy Award nomination for his work in "Brokeback Mountain."

© 2008 MSNBC Interactive
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22788914/?GT1=10755

[tlongII]

Unbeavable.

[Evan]

Did he finish TDK?

[makedamnsure]

Holy shit. I thought this was for the Batman movie at first.

RIP.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Same story as far too many before him. What a waste.

[Jimcs50]

Never heard of him but R.I.P.


someone needs to get out more.

[FromWayDowntown]

Such terrible news.

[Kriz-Maxima]

Usually artist that OD have a history with drugs. Was i the only one who didnt know he had a drug problem?

[makedamnsure]

I didn't know he had a drug problem either. This is a real shock.

[thispego]

I'm sure it was more of a suicide than an accidental OD

[monosylab1k]

if they're in Hollywood i just assume they have a drug problem.

[Extra Stout]

That's the Hollywood culture.

[makedamnsure]

I'm sure it was more of a suicide than an accidental OD

Suicide sounds more like what it may be. This is still really sad. I think I'm gonna go watch Lords of Dogtown because of this.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Wow the New York Times is reporting he was found in Mary Kate Olsens apartment

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/actor-heath-ledger-is-found-dead/index.html?hp

[Burn531]

Wow the New York Times is reporting he was found in Mary Kate Olsens apartment

Is this for real? The link is not loading.

[ploto]

The actor Heath Ledger was found dead this afternoon in an apartment in Manhattan inhabited by the actress Mary-Kate Olsen, according to the New York City police. Signs pointed to a suicide, police sources said. Mr. Ledger was 28.
At 3:31 p.m., a masseuse arrived at Apartment 5A in the building, at 421 Broome Street in SoHo, for an appointment with Mr. Ledger, the police said. The masseuse was let in to the home by a housekeeper, who then knocked on the door of the bedroom Mr. Ledger was in. When no one answered, the housekeeper and the masseuse opened the bedroom and found Mr. Ledger naked and unconscious on a bed, with pills scattered around his body. They shook him, but he did not respond. They immediately called the authorities.
The police said they did not suspect foul play. Officials said they believed Ms. Olsen, 21, was in California and said it was not clear how long or why Mr. Ledger had been in her apartment...

[tlongII]

Actor Heath Ledger Is Found Dead
By Sewell Chan


Heath Ledger (Photo: Bryan Bedder/Getty Images)Updated, 5:28 p.m. | The actor Heath Ledger was found dead this afternoon in an apartment in Manhattan inhabited by the actress Mary-Kate Olsen, according to the New York City police. Signs pointed to a suicide, police sources said. Mr. Ledger was 28.
At 3:31 p.m., a masseuse arrived at Apartment 5A in the building, at 421 Broome Street in SoHo, for an appointment with Mr. Ledger, the police said. The masseuse was let in to the home by a housekeeper, who then knocked on the door of the bedroom Mr. Ledger was in. When no one answered, the housekeeper and the masseuse opened the bedroom and found Mr. Ledger naked and unconscious on a bed, with pills scattered around his body. They shook him, but he did not respond. They immediately called the authorities.
The police said they did not suspect foul play. Officials said they believed Ms. Olsen, 21, was in California and said it was not clear how long or why Mr. Ledger had been in her apartment.
Mr. Ledger, a native of Perth, Australia, won acclaim for his role as a co-star in “Brokeback Mountain” (2005). The film, based on a short story by Annie Proulx about two cowboys who fall in love, won critical acclaim. Reviewing the film in The New York Times, the critic Stephen Holden wrote, “Mr. Ledger magically and mysteriously disappears beneath the skin of his lean, sinewy character. It is a great screen performance, as good as the best of Marlon Brando and Sean Penn.”
Mr. Ledger met the actress Michelle Williams while filming ‘’Brokeback Mountain.” The two actors fell into a romance and moved to Boerum Hill, Brooklyn, where their comings and goings were widely noted by paparazzi. They had a daughter, Matilda Rose, who was born on Oct. 28, 2005. The couple separated last year.
In an interview in London for an article published in November, Mr. Ledger told The New York Times, ‘’I feel like I’m wasting time if I repeat myself.” He said in the interview that he was not proud of his latest role, in Todd Haynes’s “I’m Not There,” in which Mr. Ledger was one of a half-dozen actors depicting the musician Bob Dylan. ‘’I feel the same way about everything I do. The day I say, ‘It’s good’ is the day I should start doing something else,” said in the interview.
Calls by The Times to Mara Buxbaum, a publicist for Mr. Ledger, and Steve Alexander, the actor’s agent, were not immediately returned this afternoon.
Thomas J. Lueck contributed reporting.

[atxrocker]

pretty crazy shit...

[2centsworth]

i'm one of the few who liked Knights Tale. R.I.P.

[tlongII]

If I played that part in Brokeback Mountain I would probably kill myself too...

[T Park]

Wasted talent.

A sad day.

I just don't understand the drugs though.

[samikeyp]

i'm one of the few who liked Knights Tale. R.I.P.


I'm with ya on that. One of my favorite movies.

[whottt]

I don't see why the dude would kill himself...he's got a 2 year old daughter and his career is on the upswing.

It could be true...because it's hard to unintentionally OD on any kind of prescription meds...but I just don't see any reason why.

[Shelly]

TMZ.com has all the latest.

Sad...

[Spurminator]

I just don't see any reason why.

We rarely do.

[whottt]

We rarely do.


I don't really agree with that....at least as it pertains to celebrities...usually the ones that do it have some issues that are either well known, or come out at the time.

I don't think it was a suicide.

[JerrySeinfeld]

that's a shame... :wakeup

[whottt]

You don't kill yourself before the premiere of the new Batman movie when you are playing the Joker...no one does that. You at least wait to see yourself playing the Joker...I mean think about it. Playing the Joker trumps any other issues you might have. Wouldn't it for you?

[katyon6th]

What does Mary Kate Olsen have to say about this? That's what I want to know.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

What does Mary Kate Olsen have to say about this? That's what I want to know.

"I'd like a sammich."

[Spurminator]

...usually the ones that do it have some issues that are either well known, or come out at the time.


Well there's still time.

But what I'm saying is we rarely understand why people choose to take their lives, particularly people who have the superstardom that we regular folks crave. Kurt Cobain was similar... I can't say I was as surprised by his suicide as this one, but there still wasn't any apparent reason for him to do it.

[ElMuerto]

You don't kill yourself before the premiere of the new Batman movie when you are playing the Joker...no one does that. You at least wait to see yourself playing the Joker...I mean think about it. Playing the Joker trumps any other issues you might have. Wouldn't it for you?

The mind is more powerful than any hollywood role could possibly be.

[Shelly]

What does Mary Kate Olsen have to say about this? That's what I want to know.

TMZ said it wasn't her apartment.

http://www.tmz.com/2008/01/22/not-mary-kates-apt/

[Shelly]

I'm not buying that it's suicide.

[Borosai]

Unexpected.

[lefty]

Didn't see that one that coming

[whottt]

Well there's still time.

But what I'm saying is we rarely understand why people choose to take their lives, particularly people who have the superstardom that we regular folks crave.

yeahbut...he was playing the Joker. I'm telling you...no one kills themselves when they are about to play the Joker...it just doesn't happen.


Personally...I wouldn't want to be a modern celebrity...it looks like it sucks to me and they all look miserable...plus most of their movies suck.

It's really not hard to see why the ones that do it do it...they have a hole in them they seek to fill with material trappings...once they achieve the so called pinnacle of that success and the hole remains...they give up.




Kurt Cobain was similar... I can't say I was as surprised by his suicide as this one, but there still wasn't any apparent reason for him to do it.

I don't see a whole lot of similarities between this guy and Kurt Cobain...I mean, this guy didn't suck.

[monosylab1k]

I don't see a whole lot of similarities between this guy and Kurt Cobain...I mean, this guy didn't suck.
amen

[Medvedenko]

Damn...I'm pretty upset, another talent diminshed and struck down by the cruel hand of circumstance.

[whottt]

The mind is more powerful than any hollywood role could possibly be.



Bullshit...you go find the most suicidal person on Earth and you let them play the Joker...they won't kill themselves before that movie comes out. It's just not done...

[NASpurs]

I was in disbelief when I heard about this. Crazy stuff.

[phyzik]

Batman did it.

[PM5K]

That's too bad, I can't say I was a huge fan of his but I was excited to see him in The Dark Knight, hopefully for his legacy he played the part well.

How could TIMVP not have heard of the guy that was in Brokeback Mountain, I could understand if he didn't see it, but to not have heard of the guy?

He was in The Patriot, you didn't see The Patriot?

[JoeChalupa]

The problem is too many people pop a pill for every mood change they experience and don't even realize sometimes the effects of mixing drugs.

[Sonia_TX]

When I saw this on the news I was shocked. I was never really a fan of his though but my heart goes out to his daughter.

[Shelly]

NYPD is saying sleeping pills were all around his body

[ElMuerto]

Bullshit...you go find the most suicidal person on Earth and you let them play the Joker...they won't kill themselves before that movie comes out. It's just not done...

Uhm, it just was. Do you really think a movie role can make all your demons disappear? Now that is bullshit.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

People are strange when youre a stranger
Faces look ugly when youre alone
Women seem wicked when youre unwanted
Streets are uneven when youre down
When youre strange
Faces come out of the rain
When youre strange
No one remembers your name

[whottt]

Uhm, it just was. Do you really think a movie role can make all your demons disappear? Now that is bullshit.


It's not a movie role...it's the fucking Joker.


So if you are suicidal and playing the Joker you are going to kill yourself before the premiere?

You can honestly answer that with a yes?

[TheTruth]

R.I.P.

Huge fan of his. Sad day indeed.

[ElMuerto]

It's not a movie role...it's the fucking Joker.


So if you are suicidal and playing the Joker you are going to kill yourself before the premiere?

You can honestly answer that with a yes?

Yes, and so did Heath. Don't you think his young daughter had a much more powerful influence on him to live than some movie role?

[whottt]

Yes,

You're lying...you also aren't suicidal, if you were you wouldn't be trolling a message board...so therefore even if you aren't lying, you aren't qualified to answer.




and so did Heath.

Remains to be seen...

[midgetonadonkey]

Wasted talent.

A sad day.

I just don't understand the drugs though.

Is it really a sad day? It's not like a great leader of some sort died. The dude from 10 Things I Hate About You died. It's not really that big a deal for anyone that didn't know him personally.

[ElMuerto]

You're lying...you also aren't suicidal, if you were you wouldn't be trolling a message board...so therefore even if you aren't lying, you aren't qualified to answer.

And you are? Perhaps my posting is my therapy to keep things real.







Remains to be seen...

Open your eyes.

[Spurminator]

It's not a movie role...it's the fucking Joker.


So if you are suicidal and playing the Joker you are going to kill yourself before the premiere?

You can honestly answer that with a yes?


Maybe he already saw it in a private screening and it sucked, and he decided he couldn't deal with the disasterous reception.

Supposedly Mariah Carey had serious depression issues before Glitter came out...

[whottt]

Don't you think his young daughter had a much more powerful influence on him to live than some movie role?


Depends...some actors are pretty egotistical. And stop calling it a mere movie role...it's the Joker.


But I just see the daughter as another reason he wouldn't...

[whottt]

And you are?

Yes...because I'm being honest and you're trolling.

[ElMuerto]

Depends...some actors are pretty egotistical. And stop calling it a mere movie role...it's the Joker.


But I just see the daughter as another reason he wouldn't...

It is just a mere movie role. It's not like nobody else could play it.

[whottt]

And you are? Perhaps my posting is my therapy to keep things real.

So if trolling a message board is good enough therapy for you...imagine what playing the Joker would do for you...







Open your eyes.


It's a fact that smiling and laughing help your mood and increase your endorphins...and if there's one thing you do playing the Joker...it's smile and laugh a whole lot..

So you're still going to wind up wrong.

[atxrocker]

so some of you claim it wasn't a suicide... then what are your theories of what happened? the help killed him? the olsen bitch hired someone in some crazy conspiracy to off the guy? seriously, since you guys KNOW it wasn't a suicide.. then what the fuck is it?

[johngateswhiteley]

...pretty sure nobody knows what Heath's situation was, so all of you should slow down. imo, he was a good actor and a funny and cool guy. shame.

[CuckingFunt]

Is it really a sad day? It's not like a great leader of some sort died. The dude from 10 Things I Hate About You died. It's not really that big a deal for anyone that didn't know him personally.It's similar to my response in the Amy Winehouse thread -- I'm not going to sit down and cry, but it's legitimately sad.

You don't have to know someone personally to be saddened by their passing. And while we're not talking about some revered leader, a 28-year-old talented guy up and OD-ing is officially in the "bummer" category.

[whottt]

It is just a mere movie role. It's not like nobody else could play it.


Then I suppose it should be pretty easy for you to back up your claims and give me links to other actors that have played the Joker and killed themselves before the premiere of the movie in which they play the Joker...


Link?

[Shelly]

Hmmm....he's very fidigity

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uKa-aDga1fE

[whottt]

so some of you claim it wasn't a suicide... then what are your theories of what happened? the help killed him? the olsen bitch hired someone in some crazy conspiracy to off the guy? seriously, since you guys KNOW it wasn't a suicide.. then what the fuck is it?


I think he was addicted to sleeping pills...they are highly addictive.

[atxrocker]

and anyone who thinks someone who would want to kill themselves wouldn't just because he played the goddamn joker is not thinking rationally.

[CuckingFunt]

Despite the somber mood of this thread, :lmao @ the assertion that whottt's NOT trolling.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I thought this was part of the marketing shtick

[CuckingFunt]

Hmmm....he's very fidigity

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uKa-aDga1fEEveryone's fidgety in those junket interviews. Actors often have to sit down and do 80-100 of them in a single day.

[ElMuerto]

Yes...because I'm being honest and you're trolling.
I am being honest and not trolling.

[midgetonadonkey]

It's similar to my response in the Amy Winehouse thread -- I'm not going to sit down and cry, but it's legitimately sad.

You don't have to know someone personally to be saddened by their passing. And while we're not talking about some revered leader, a 28-year-old talented guy up and OD-ing is officially in the "bummer" category.

Maybe I'm different from most but I don't feel sad about anyone dying besides people I know. And even then most of the time it doesn't have an effect on me. So for me this actually had no effect on my emotions.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Where are the bumps for the TDK threads?

[midgetonadonkey]

Where are the bumps for the TDK threads?

Red Hood is probably too broken up to bump any threads.

[Shelly]

Sleeping Pills Strewn Around Ledger

Posted Jan 22nd 2008 6:03PM by TMZ Staff

Heath LedgerLaw enforcement sources tell TMZ sleeping pills were strewn around the bed of Heath Ledger.

One law enforcement source told us it is much too early to determine if the death was accidental or suicide

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NYPD Confirms: Ledger NOT at Mary-Kate's Apt

Posted Jan 22nd 2008 6:02PM by TMZ Staff

The NYPD has confirmed to TMZ that Heath Ledger was NOT at an apartment owned by Mary-Kate Olsen when he died.

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Heath Had Substance Abuse Problem

Posted Jan 22nd 2008 5:43PM by TMZ Staff

TMZ has learned Heath Ledger had a substance abuse problem. A Ledger confidante tells us he had been clean for a year.

Contrary to several published reports, we're told Ledger had not been in rehab.

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[Spurminator]

Is The Red Hood going to post a new thread every time there's a development on Ledger's death?

[whottt]

Maybe he already saw it in a private screening and it sucked, and he decided he couldn't deal with the disasterous reception.

It's not going to suck....seen the previews?




Supposedly Mariah Carey had serious depression issues before Glitter came out...


And I bet they got worse after...

[JoeChalupa]

Maybe I'm different from most but I don't feel sad about anyone dying besides people I know. And even then most of the time it doesn't have an effect on me. So for me this actually had no effect on my emotions.

I'm the same way. It has to be somebody VERY close to me.

[whottt]

I am being honest and not trolling.


Ok then you should have no problems announcing who you really are....

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I hope all the threads get bumped.

This is Princess Di all over again.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Maybe I'm different from most but I don't feel sad about anyone dying besides people I know. And even then most of the time it doesn't have an effect on me. So for me this actually had no effect on my emotions.


You're not different. Almost everybody in this thread will forget this in less than a week.

[ElMuerto]

Then I suppose it should be pretty easy for you to back up your claims and give me links to other actors that have played the Joker and killed themselves before the premiere of the movie in which they play the Joker...


Link?

Now that is just a plain stupid question. Not everyone who plays the joker is suicidal and if they were who is to say that the mere fact of playing a movie role is enough NOT to take your life?

[Duff McCartney]

I was a bit shocked to see this. I didn't know he had any druge abuse problems and I always respected him as an actor. He was a hell of an actor who died too young.

[JoeChalupa]

You're not different. Almost everybody in this thread will forget this in less than a week.

I concur. Life goes on.

[whottt]

Now that is just a plain stupid question. Not everyone who plays the joker is suicidal and if they were who is to say that the mere fact of playing a movie role is enough NOT to take your life?


It's not stupid at all...

I've got 100% of the past evidence in my favor that no one kills themselves before the premiere of the movie in which they play the Joker...

You got squat.

[ElMuerto]

Ok then you should have no problems announcing who you really are....

Hell, I don't even know who you really are.

[ElMuerto]

It's not stupid at all...

I've got 100% of the past evidence in my favor that no one kills themselves before the premiere of the movie in which they play the Joker...

You got squat.

But can you prove they were suicidal and the movie role kept them offing themselves? You got squat. You have no proof of their mental state.

[whottt]

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-content/2007/04/ManWhoLaughs.jpg

Conradt Viedt...the inspiration for the Joker in 1929. Went onto play in hundreds of movies. Including Casablanca.


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/6/65/Cesar_Romero_Joker.gif


Cesar Romero...not only did not kill himself before premiering as the Joker...but he lived to be like a hundred.



http://images-srv.leonardo.it/progettiweb/electra/blog/nicholson%20joker%20bn3.jpg


Jack Nicholson...also didn't kill himself before premiering as the Joker.


No one is going to kill themselves when they just got done playing the Joker and the move has not even premiered...

It's just not done.

[whottt]

But can you prove they were suicidal and the movie role kept them offing themselves? You got squat. You have no proof of their mental state.


Can you prove Ledger was suicidal?


Any past history of suicide attempts? Anything of that sort?

[whottt]

and anyone who thinks someone who would want to kill themselves wouldn't just because he played the goddamn joker is not thinking rationally.


Dude...it's the fucking Joker, a one of a kind role.


Actors have egos...no one is going to kill themself before premiering as the fucking Joker...deal with it.

[Spurminator]

I've always believed that there is a single pursuit for which we are all built. Everything that motivates us, all of our dreams, point us to one single destiny. Most of us don't know that destiny, but it is the same for all of us. And when you reach it, your physical life has no further purpose, so you simply die.

I believe this is what happened to Heath Ledger. He reached The Pinnacle... the point towards which we are all subconsciously driven. The ultimate goal, after which there is no use for a physical existance. A threesome with the Olsen Twins.

[whottt]

The Joker is the most fun I have ever had playing a character. It was incredibly enjoyable - Heath Ledger



Right...this dude is going to kill himself before the premiere of his favorite role ever.


Didn't happen folks...

[ElMuerto]

I've always believed that there is a single pursuit for which we are all built. Everything that motivates us, all of our dreams, point us to one single destiny. Most of us don't know that destiny, but it is the same for all of us. And when you reach it, your physical life has no further purpose, so you simply die.

I believe this is what happened to Heath Ledger. He reached The Pinnacle... the point towards which we are all subconsciously driven. The ultimate goal, after which there is no use for a physical existance. A threesome with the Olsen Twins.

Some believe the pinnacle in life is playing the Joker in a movie.

[ElMuerto]

Dude...it's the fucking Joker, a one of a kind role.


Actors have egos...no one is going to kill themself before premiering as the fucking Joker...deal with it.

Fact is Heath is dead. Deal with it.

[atxrocker]

so by your logic, if he didn't "intend" to off himself but was so addicted to pills that he... uh killed himself, then it isn't considered a suicide? didn't he directly cause his own death either way?

[JoeChalupa]

I've always believed that there is a single pursuit for which we are all built. Everything that motivates us, all of our dreams, point us to one single destiny. Most of us don't know that destiny, but it is the same for all of us. And when you reach it, your physical life has no further purpose, so you simply die.

I believe this is what happened to Heath Ledger. He reached The Pinnacle... the point towards which we are all subconsciously driven. The ultimate goal, after which there is no use for a physical existance. A threesome with the Olsen Twins.

Nice post.

[CuckingFunt]

so by your logic, if he didn't "intend" to off himself but was so addicted to pills that he... uh killed himself, then it isn't considered a suicide? didn't he directly cause his own death either way?There's a difference between suicide and an accident.

I could fall down the stairs at school tomorrow, crack my head open, and die, but it's doubtful they'd call it a suicide.

[whottt]

Fact is Heath is dead. Deal with it.


Never said he wasn't...I just dispute it was a suicide.


I think he was simply addicted to sleeping pills and his tolerance got too high for his sytem to handle.


Let me ask you this...Einsteins...if he was going to kill himself with sleeping pills..doesn't it stand to reason he would have taken all of them?

Which he didn't...

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I've always believed that there is a single pursuit for which we are all built. Everything that motivates us, all of our dreams, point us to one single destiny. Most of us don't know that destiny, but it is the same for all of us. And when you reach it, your physical life has no further purpose, so you simply die.

I believe this is what happened to Heath Ledger. He reached The Pinnacle... the point towards which we are all subconsciously driven. The ultimate goal, after which there is no use for a physical existance. A threesome with the Olsen Twins.

In the words of the immortal Mouse...

^^^ RACK THAT!! :lmao

[whottt]

so by your logic, if he didn't "intend" to off himself but was so addicted to pills that he... uh killed himself, then it isn't considered a suicide?

No...it's considered an OD.





didn't he directly cause his own death either way?


Directly? Yes...Intentionally? No.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Never said he wasn't...I just dispute it was a suicide.


I think he was simply addicted to sleeping pills and his tolerance got too high for his sytem to handle.


Let me ask you this...Einsteins...if he was going to kill himself with sleeping pills..doesn't it stand to reason he would have taken all of them?

Which he didn't...


I'm with the Whottt. I am 100% sure it was an accidental OD.

[JoeChalupa]

The movie was finished so perhaps he did reach the top.

[JoeChalupa]

Popping pills is an accident just waiting to happen.

[atxrocker]

There's a difference between suicide and an accident.

I could fall down the stairs at school tomorrow, crack my head open, and die, but it's doubtful they'd call it a suicide.


poor comparison. you slip and fall down some stairs. you don't slip on a bottle of pills and have half the bottle "accidentally" get swallowed.

[DieMrBond]

Wow, a hometown Perth boy died... from all reports of people i know that went to school with him, he was a total arrogant ass. Probably why he made it to Hollywood.

Still, you never like to see someone pass on. RIP.

[dallaskd]

Holy Shit. 10 things i hate about you, a knights tale, ect. great actor. that sucks.

[whottt]

Wow, a hometown Perth boy died... from all reports of people i know that went to school with him, he was a total arrogant ass. Probably why he made it to Hollywood.

Still, you never like to see someone pass on. RIP.


See?

Arrogant asses don't kill themselves either...


Actors have huge egos...they aren't going to kill themselves before the role of their career...their favorite role.


I'm not saying it's the pinnacle of life...but in this day and age, it just might be the pinnacle of acting for some actors...especially young ones.


Not only because of uniqueness of the character...but also because of following in the legendary footsteps of Jack Nicholson.


That's definitely a wait till after the premiere to commit suicide situation.

[CuckingFunt]

poor comparison. you slip and fall down some stairs. you don't slip on a bottle of pills and have half the bottle "accidentally" get swallowed.But you can take too many pills without knowing that it's going to kill you, and without the intention of ending your life.

Do you think most people OD on heroin because they're trying to die, or because they're trying to get as high as they possibly can?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

But you can take too many pills without knowing that it's going to kill you, and without the intention of ending your life.



Exactly. And if had multiple prescriptions and possibly combined them with alcohol he might of actually not needed very much at all to create an overdose.

I've seen two people I know over the years OD this way. One lived and one didn't. But neither person was suicidal, or an addict to medication.

[JoeChalupa]

See?

Arrogant asses don't kill themselves either...


Actors have huge egos...they aren't going to kill themselves before the role of their career...their favorite role.


I'm not saying it's the pinnacle of life...but in this day and age, it just might be the pinnacle of acting for some actors...especially young ones.


Not only because of uniqueness of the character...but also because of following in the legendary footsteps of Jack Nicholson.


That's definitely a wait till after the premiere to commit suicide situation.

Maybe the fact that it is such a major role created more pressure on himself? Many very, very successful people commit suicide at the peak of their lives.
We will never really know.

[ElMuerto]

Death doesn't always leave a reason others will understand.

[Shelly]

Heath Had Pneumonia

Posted Jan 22nd 2008 7:19PM by TMZ Staff

TMZ has learned Heath Ledger was sick with pneumonia when he died today in NY.

[whottt]

Pwnt

[CuckingFunt]

Heath Had Pneumonia

Posted Jan 22nd 2008 7:19PM by TMZ Staff

TMZ has learned Heath Ledger was sick with pneumonia when he died today in NY.That would actually make more sense.

Sleeping pills + respiratory problems = bad mix.

[whottt]

We will never really know.


Oh yes we will...

[mrsmaalox]

The Patriot is one of my favorite movies; and he was really the only good thing about Monster's Ball.

[atxrocker]

But you can take too many pills without knowing that it's going to kill you


i call bullshit. you take half a bottle of pills, what kind of results do you expect? i began feeling kinda sorry for the guy, but whether he committed suicide or " OD'd" i am certain that nobody put a gun to his head to do it. at this point, this is all speculation anyways, noone knows for sure what happened and what his situation was. and for the record, i am not saying he committed suicide (though i strongly feel that it was) but many of you are claiming to know for sure that there is no way he could have intentionally offed himself. anyone with that opinion is full of shit until some more information becomes available.

[JoeChalupa]

The Patriot is one of my favorite movies; and he was really the only good thing about Monster's Ball.

yeah, I didn't even notice Halle Berry. :oops

[mrsmaalox]

That would actually make more sense.

Sleeping pills + respiratory problems = bad mix.

Add to that any med he was taking for the pneumonia, even worse.

[CuckingFunt]

i call bullshit. you take half a bottle of pills, what kind of results do you expect? i began feeling kinda sorry for the guy, but whether he committed suicide or " OD'd" i am certain that nobody put a gun to his head to do it. at this point, this is all speculation anyways, noone knows for sure what happened and what his situation was. and for the record, i am not saying he committed suicide (though i strongly feel that it was) but many of you are claiming to know for sure that there is no way he could have intentionally offed himself. anyone with that opinion is full of shit until some more information becomes available.Keep reading.

And simmer the fuck down.

[JoeChalupa]

Oh yes we will...

I meant what in his head. Nobody but God knows that.

[JoeChalupa]

Why wasn't he in the hospital if he had pneumonia? I know that is a killer.

[ElMuerto]

Pwnt

Dead

[Shelly]

Heath's Family: He Did Not Kill Himself

Posted Jan 22nd 2008 7:29PM by TMZ Staff

TMZ has been contacted by reps of Heath's family. They've been told by police that Heath's death was absolutely accidental.

They are particularly distraught over media buzz that he may have taken his own life. We're told he was not that kind of person.

As we just reported, Heath was ill with pneumonia when he died.

[atxrocker]

Keep reading.

And simmer the fuck down.


ok, so some shady report says he had a medical condition now. so the only thing that means is that he still made a DECISION to pop some pills either knowing that it could conflict with his condition or not consulting his doctor who i am sure was readily available for that sort of patient. either way, i don't get how everybody is so quick to defend his actions.

[JoeChalupa]

The TMZ guy is saying Heath did have a substance abuse problem but had been clean for the past year or so.

[CuckingFunt]

Why wasn't he in the hospital if he had pneumonia? I know that is a killer.The pneumonia has to be really, REALLY bad to warrant hospitalization. I've had a few relatives go through that in the last few years and they usually just send you home with a bunch of drugs and tell you to rest.

[JoeChalupa]

The pneumonia has to be really, REALLY bad to warrant hospitalization. I've had a few relatives go through that in the last few years and they usually just send you home with a bunch of drugs and tell you to rest.

I've had few relatives die from it. But they were elderly.

[Evan]

http://thedarkknight.warnerbros.com/onesheet.jpg

[Fillmoe]

Rip....

[atxrocker]

that's a cool poster

[CuckingFunt]

ok, so some shady report says he had a medical condition now. so the only thing that means is that he still made a DECISION to pop some pills either knowing that it could conflict with his condition or not consulting his doctor who i am sure was readily available for that sort of patient. either way, i don't get how everybody is so quick to defend his actions.And I don't understand why you're so quick to condemn them.

Seriously, with all the stories of cocaine use and jail time, you're acting as the moral authority here and issuing the lectures on how foolish Heath Ledger may have been? Really??

You're telling me that you have consulted a doctor before taking any and all prescription medications? You're telling me that you're really so naive as to think that pharmacies automatically catch ALL drug interactions before handing over the pills?

[whottt]

ok, so some shady report says he had a medical condition now. so the only thing that means is that he still made a DECISION to pop some pills either knowing that it could conflict with his condition or not consulting his doctor who i am sure was readily available for that sort of patient. either way, i don't get how everybody is so quick to defend his actions.


Who is defending his actions? It's not a case of defending...


#1. I'm sure the dude did not want to kill himself...after all, he was about to premiere as the Joker.

#2. It was an accident.

[atxrocker]

And I don't understand why you're so quick to condemn them.

Seriously, with all the stories of cocaine use and jail time, you're acting as the moral authority here and issuing the lectures on how foolish Heath Ledger may have been? Really??




uh.. all the stories? exaggeration should be spared less you can provide links. i posted about a short stint in county jail a whole one time, and have referenced cocaine maybe 2 or 3 times. ever. more to the point, i never claimed to be the moral authority on shit. so please, before spewing such exaggerated points, check your resources in the future. and yes, doing shit that could potentially kill you is foolish. do you disagree?

also, none of the shit i have ever posted about has come close to dying. nice comparison.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

doing shit that could potentially kill you is foolish. do you disagree?


Yes

[atxrocker]

You're telling me that you have consulted a doctor before taking any and all prescription medications? You're telling me that you're really so naive as to think that pharmacies automatically catch ALL drug interactions before handing over the pills?


i would hope that most people with a serious medical condition would either consult their doctor about potentially dangerous mixtures, especially if i knew or planned on taking large amouts (key) of sleeping pills. even celebs should have as much common sense.

[CuckingFunt]

and yes, doing shit that could potentially kill you is foolish. do you disagree?

I don't disagree that it's foolish, I just disagree that it's automatically a suicide attempt.

[JoeChalupa]

I'm leary of taking anything stronger than Tylenol.

[ShoogarBear]

"I'd like a sammich."I'll take an aisle seat please, more leg room.

[CuckingFunt]

i would hope that most people with a serious medical condition would either consult their doctor about potentially dangerous mixtures, especially if i knew or planned on taking large amouts (key) of sleeping pills. even celebs should have as much common sense.He was found with a large amount of sleeping pills. Until the autopsy is completed, there's no way of knowing that he even took one.

And there are stories all the time about doctors and pharmacists not catching potentially harmful drug interactions before issuing a prescription. But, even knowing that, most people (myself included, and I'm guessing you, too) tend to trust the doctor enough to go ahead and take any and all medications as prescribed once they've been given.

[whottt]

Whatever...he still didn't commit suicide.


On top of that...having pneumonia does more than just make it hard to breathe sometimes...it can put you in a near absolute delerium.

And they don't always put you in the hospital for it...in fact I don't think it's common at all for them to put people in the hospital with it unless they are elderly.



I had it when I was about 9 or 10 and I had one of those seeing the white lights seeing the waterfall near death experiences. Other times I was wandering around the house talking about shit and no one knew what the hell I was talking about. I don't know what my fever was but it was high...

Doctor knew I had it too...didn't send me to the hospital, and I was just a little kid.


The thing is...if you have it, you want to be asleep because it hurts to breathe and you feel like shit.




Tell you what...next time you get surgery...tell your doctor you want to stay awake for it...then you can call a guy stupid for wanting to be asleep with pneumonia.

[who gives a fuck?]

Who is defending his actions? It's not a case of defending...


#1. I'm sure the dude did not want to kill himself...after all, he was about to premiere as the Joker.

#2. It was an accident.


#3. wgaf.

[atxrocker]

most people (myself included, and I'm guessing you, too) tend to trust the doctor enough to go ahead and take any and all medications as prescribed once they've been given.


fair enough. if it comes out that his death was caused by some prescriptions from his doctor taken in a regular dose, then that would be fucked up and completely on the doctor. otherwise....

[ShoogarBear]

Is Heath Ledger any relation to Heath Cliff the Cat?

[Ginofan]

I still can't believe it. I thought he was just a great actor, I loved his movies! It's a super sad day :(

According to PerezHilton.com the autopsy is scheduled for Wednesday but we won't have results for weeks. I definitely don't think it was suicide, but an accidental deadly combination of prescription drugs.

[angel_luv]

I heard about this from a friend and co-worker at the mall.

Super sad.

Condolences to his family and also to his fans.

[1369]

I'll take an aisle seat please, more leg room.

Why don't you upgrade and join us in Business Class.

We get ice cream.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8750/hewasrightvb8.jpg

[atxrocker]

that bitched always played second fiddle to katie holmes out of the dawsons creek crew.

[ShoogarBear]

^^Crap, I think I just qualified for First Class.

[CuckingFunt]

I couldn't quite laugh at that one.

[MrChug]

Never said he wasn't...I just dispute it was a suicide.


I think he was simply addicted to sleeping pills and his tolerance got too high for his sytem to handle.


Let me ask you this...Einsteins...if he was going to kill himself with sleeping pills..doesn't it stand to reason he would have taken all of them?

Which he didn't...


swallowing
Some people aren't as good at it as you are whott.

[whottt]

swallowing
Some people aren't as good at it as you are whott.

:lol at a guy called Mr. Chug saying that...


In any case...I'd imagine it's not that easy to commit suicide without taking a whole bottle of sleeping pills. And I'd imagine even the stupidest of people realize that. Regardless of swallowing ability.

[ShoogarBear]

What the hell . . . was Heath Ledger a wrestler?

[whottt]

A man has died tragically and the doctor makes jokes...

[1369]

A man has died tragically and the doctor makes jokes...

9Lge2_H_8IQ

[manufor3]

Rip H.L.

[PEP]

Aww, that's just too bad.

[Pistons_In_7]

That would explain why i sold like 50 batman posters today on Amazon. I had no idea he died, i woke up and looked at my inbox i usually sell 3-5 a day and i had like 50 orders they are still coming in too but im now sold out of the one with him as the Joker.

Another strange thing is that just last night my gf randomly popped in a Knights Tale into our dvd player we watched it and fell asleep then we saw this had happened and we are in shock right about now.

[Pistons_In_7]

They are saying it was sleeping pills maybe he had insomnia, this Batman Movie will surely smash all other Batman movies at the box office. Thank god i still have about 100 Dark Knight original posters (not reprints)

[Pistons_In_7]

NOw they are reporting that he had pneumonia and that his death was accidental not suicide.

Heath's Family: He Did Not Kill Himself

Posted Jan 22nd 2008 7:52PM by TMZ Staff

TMZ has been contacted by a rep from Heath's family. The cops told the family Heath's death was accidental and there is no evidence to support the buzz that he may have committed suicide.

They are particularly distraught over media reports that he may have taken his own life. The family says he was not that kind of person.

As we just reported, Heath was ill with pneumonia when he died.

[spursfan09]

Man this sucks....
RIP Heath! And god bless you.

[Avitus1]

Well that sucks

[ploto]

I don't see how people can come in and claim he either did commit suicide or that he never could have. It makes sense to hope he did not do this on purpose; that is a much easier pill to swallow (pun intended), but no one can know for sure what happened yet.

You never know- he could have died from pneumonia. Nicole DeHuff from Meet the Parents did, and she was only 30 years old.

[ploto]

They are particularly distraught over media reports that he may have taken his own life. The family says he was not that kind of person.

I understand the family's reaction, but I despise the use of that phrase.

[LuvBones]

If he died from pneumonia then this is very sad. RIP Heath Ledger.

[Mono Howser, M.D.]

NOw they are reporting that he had pneumonia and that his death was accidental not suicide.

He was just afraid of his big Joker debut and pussed out.

[marini martini]

R.I.P. Heath. :cry

Loved you in Brokeback :depressed

[RashoFan]

Complete shock. Damn... just, damn...
my thoughts as well.
RIP Heath

[peewee's lovechild]

Fuck, wasn't expecting this.

I guess that means no Joker in the next Batman movies.

That sucks.

[ace3g]

Fuck, wasn't expecting this.

I guess that means no Joker in the next Batman movies.

That sucks.


actually Heath already finished his filming + post production for the Joker in the Dark Knight because he was working on another film after the dark knight and didn't want the 2 films to conflict with each other

so we will get to see his final and possibly best work up to this point this summer as the Joker in the Dark Knight

[peewee's lovechild]

actually Heath already finished his filming + post production for the Joker in the Dark Knight because he was working on another film after the dark knight and didn't want the 2 films to conflict with each other

so we will get to see his final and possibly best work up to this point this summer as the Joker in the Dark Knight

Uhhhhh, yea, I know that.

Read my post.
I said there won't be anymore Joker in the NEXT Batman movies.
As in, no Joker sequals.

Everyone knows he finished up with TDK.

[marini martini]

Uhhhhh, yea, I know that.

Read my post.
I said there won't be anymore Joker in the NEXT Batman movies.
As in, no Joker sequals.

Everyone knows he finished up with TDK.


Yuh! There can be Joker sequals, as Batman has had like,5 or 6 different jokers, since the TV show/movies started. I bet Jack Nicholson, will be the next one :toast

[ace3g]

there is a difference between finished filming and finished post production where you do audio dubbing, audio editing, etc. The performance wouldn't have been the same if someone had to do a voice over and try and imitate his performance. Some of the other actors haven't finished post production, he did his early so he wouldn't conflict with his next film

[Pistons_In_7]

the film was in the can, finito, i know this from inside sources.

[marini martini]

the film was in the can, finito, i know this from inside sources.


Drag :toast

[johngateswhiteley]

I understand the family's reaction, but I despise the use of that phrase.

why? i think the family would know him better than most...and probably anyone.

[johngateswhiteley]

i can't believe how many fucking cock suckers are in this thread...unbelievable. fuck yourself douche bags.

[Fillmoe]

i can't believe how many fucking cock suckers are in this thread...unbelievable. fuck yourself douche bags.


i was thinking the same thing

[PM5K]

Lots of speculation, my brother had some type of sickness, I don't know if it was cold, flu, or what but he was taking Sudafed, I think something else, and caffeine and he ran into some trouble with a really high heart rate, they had to call the paramedics, etc.

[The sone]

seriously...you fucking dick smoke! what the fuck can be so dam bad in your life as to warrant a suicide run...dam you!


I didnt know his problems,...im sure they were real....but...fuck kid,


there is no way a "permanent solution to a temporary problem" was the answer! man this is Michael Hutchence shit all over again! what the fuck!


it is NOT better to burn out,...than to fade away..........

[Melmart1]

The Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket his funeral since he played a homosexual in Brokeback Mountain

It's on their front page: http://www.godhatesfags.com/

Ridiculous.

[Fillmoe]

i hope they get shot if they do that... no lie! everyone of them shot in the head

[atxrocker]

gotta agree with fillmoe. they got no business being there. what bullshit.

[PM5K]

He's not gay, it's called acting, lol...

These guys will do anything for publicity..

[Fillmoe]

maybe they should all hang themselves in the middle of times square.... thats good publicity

[Sapphire]

WJW FOX 8 News in Cleveland interviewed Ledger in Nov. 2007 when he was promoting "I'm Not There." In the interview, he told FOX: "Being a dad changes your perspective — I don't want to die young."

Ledger also told The New York Times in a November interview that he "stressed out a little too much" during the Dylan film, and had trouble sleeping while portraying the Joker, whom he called a "psychopathic, mass-murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy."

"Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night," Ledger told the newspaper. "I couldn't stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going." He said he took two Ambien pills, which only worked for an hour, the paper said.

Read this on Foxnews.com this morning. :cry

[RichardSimmons]

i can't believe how many fucking cock suckers are in this thread...unbelievable. fuck yourself douche bags.

I love you too!!

[RichardSimmons]

i hope they get shot if they do that... no lie! everyone of them shot in the head

That is odd considering how much gay smack you use.

[samikeyp]

i hope they get shot if they do that... no lie! everyone of them shot in the head


+1

[Spurminator]

The best defense against Westboro Baptist is to point the cameras away from them.

[CuckingFunt]

The Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket his funeral since he played a homosexual in Brokeback Mountain

It's on their front page: http://www.godhatesfags.com/

Ridiculous.
That's just disgusting.

[mrsmaalox]

The Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket his funeral since he played a homosexual in Brokeback Mountain

It's on their front page: http://www.godhatesfags.com/

Ridiculous.

Fucking idiots. I hope every one of them ends up having a gay kid; or at least a kid that plays a gay in a movie!

[mrsmaalox]

in case anyone is curious:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

[703 Spurz]

If I played that part in Brokeback Mountain I would probably kill myself too...

Do you try hard to be the biggest dickface in the world or does it just come natural?

[703 Spurz]

You don't kill yourself before the premiere of the new Batman movie when you are playing the Joker...no one does that. You at least wait to see yourself playing the Joker...I mean think about it. Playing the Joker trumps any other issues you might have. Wouldn't it for you?

I don't see how you, I, or anyone can speak about this topic. We'll never know what it's like to be a popular actor.

Show some respect

[ploto]

why? i think the family would know him better than most...and probably anyone.
The problem I have is with the use of the phrase- THAT KIND of person. It is disrespectful to people with psychological problems to categorize them in that way and shows ignorance about mental illness. The stigma associated is part of what still keeps people from seeking treatment and asking for help.

[703 Spurz]

Yuh! There can be Joker sequals, as Batman has had like,5 or 6 different jokers, since the TV show/movies started. I bet Jack Nicholson, will be the next one :toast

I read a report somewhere that Nolan claimed that the Joker would only appear in TDK.

[Thunder Dan]

in case anyone is curious:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

they used to have them on Howard Stern alot, until their last apperence was way to offensive. That's how I first heard of them, he had them on a Family Fued game where it was 4 of them and 4 gay guys, it was pretty funny.

[Boris]

He was great in Broke Back Mountain.

[CuckingFunt]

they used to have them on Howard Stern alot, until their last apperence was way to offensive. That's how I first heard of them, he had them on a Family Fued game where it was 4 of them and 4 gay guys, it was pretty funny.Sorry. There are very few things in life about which I have zero sense of humor, but the Westboro Church is one of them.

[1369]

Sorry. There are very few things in life about which I have zero sense of humor, but the Westboro Church is one of them.

But you can't tell me you don't find this humorous...

Phags For Phelps (http://www.phagsforphelps.com/)

[David Bowie]

I am just so saddened over his death. He was a very good acotr. He had stated that he had sleeping porblems and was very stressed. They found valium and xanax in his appartemnt. Sever anxiety is extremly difficult to deal with. I am battling it right now myslef. And sometimes you just want to take more and more meds just to stop the pain. I really feel for him and may he rest in peace.

[BigZak]

been there bowie. hang tough!

[whottt]

I don't see how you, I, or anyone can speak about this topic.

Because it's America and this is a message board...the whole purpose of which is an exchange of opinions...

Not really hard to figure out is it?



We'll never know what it's like to be a popular actor.

How do you know? I don't see how you, or I, or anyone can speak about this topic...are you Nostradamus?






Show some respect


Ok god...will do.


But just for the record...I am defending the guy against accusations he commited suicide...something his family is also doing, and more than likely...I am right in that he didn't...so exactly how is that diesprecting him?

So, why don't you show some respect....and common sense.

[whottt]

I am just so saddened over his death. He was a very good acotr. He had stated that he had sleeping porblems and was very stressed. They found valium and xanax in his appartemnt. Sever anxiety is extremly difficult to deal with. I am battling it right now myslef. And sometimes you just want to take more and more meds just to stop the pain. I really feel for him and may he rest in peace.


Pretend it's 200 years ago before3 Xanax and Valium existed...somehow we survived without them...


Just a bandaid...not a cure.

[CubanMustGo]

And the average lifespan in civilized countries was 20 years less. Want to go back now?

Christ, whottt, you've been a dick throughout this thread. You made your point, now move on.

[BacktoBasics]

Pretend it's 200 years ago before3 Xanax and Valium existed...somehow we survived without them...


Just a bandaid...not a cure.Stupidity at its finest.


Thats a pretty ignorant statement. 200 years ago the life expectancy was what???Half of what it is now. Who's to say those meds haven't helped people survive where as centuries ago they didn't have the ability to address those mental issues.

Just because depression isn't teminal cancer doesn't mean it can't kill.

[BacktoBasics]

And the average lifespan in civilized countries was 20 years less. Want to go back now?

Christ, whottt, you've been a dick throughout this thread. You made your point, now move on.Damn you beat me to his stupidity

[David Bowie]

Pretend it's 200 years ago before3 Xanax and Valium existed...somehow we survived without them...


Just a bandaid...not a cure.

I am not a fan of medications at all nor am I advocating it. But some disorders, if severe enough, make it impossible to go on with normal life. Also, the life expectancy was a lot shorter 200 years ago. And being in a constant state of misery is not good for one's health at all.

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Pretend it's 200 years ago before3 Xanax and Valium existed...somehow we survived without them...
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I am not a fan of medications at all nor am I advocating it. But some disorders, if severe enough, make it impossible to go on with normal life.

Take a good look at what you eat and drink...be completely honest with yourself...


FWIW, I tried to quit smoking 2 or 3 years ago and I literally went batshit crazy with anxiety...I didn't sleep or eat much for 2 weeks...

What was the major cause of my anxiety? The cigarettes...and the cokes.


What is the root cause of your anxiety? Most of the time it's what you eat or drink, and what you say to yourself...

The question is...in the long run, will the xanax and valium cure your anxiety, or make it worse and cause other, even worse problems?

That answer is pretty easy to see.






Also, the life expectancy was a lot shorter 200 years ago.

There are a lot of reasons for that...I doubt very seriously that anti-anxiety meds are the primary reason people live longer now...

Heath Ledger damn sure didn't live longer because of them...



And being in a constant state of misery is not good for one's health at all.

Neither is being dependent on drugs the human body and mind are not naturally designed for....for conditions that could probably be cured or handled without them....



I smoke because I get nervous....the cigarettes calm me down...however, they are probably what cause a great deal of my nervousness in the first place.

I bet similar things happen when you start taking anti-anxiety meds...it's problematic...but AFAIK...neither valium or Xanax are proven to cure anxiety longterm.

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Eh....I quit drinking cokes and it had a tremendous impact on my mood...I like the result better than freaking Paxil.

Next up...cigs.


If scientology can help people overcome problems without drugs...isn't that a postive?


Since it's basically a form of hypnosis(albeit a dangerous form) I have no doubt it actually can help people overcome issues without drugs.

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Stupidity at its finest.


Thats a pretty ignorant statement. 200 years ago the life expectancy was what???Half of what it is now.

I don't know...what was it then...what is it now?





Who's to say those meds haven't helped people survive where as centuries ago they didn't have the ability to address those mental issues.

Depends on what you define as survival...how much of that extended lifespan involves being miserable in a nursing home dying a slow painful and lonely death?




Just because depression isn't teminal cancer doesn't mean it can't kill.


Where in the fuck did I make that claim douche?


Don't get offended over shit I didn't say...

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WJW FOX 8 News in Cleveland interviewed Ledger in Nov. 2007 when he was promoting "I'm Not There." In the interview, he told FOX: "Being a dad changes your perspective — I don't want to die young."

Ledger also told The New York Times in a November interview that he "stressed out a little too much" during the Dylan film, and had trouble sleeping while portraying the Joker, whom he called a "psychopathic, mass-murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy."

"Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night," Ledger told the newspaper. "I couldn't stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going." He said he took two Ambien pills, which only worked for an hour, the paper said.

Read this on Foxnews.com this morning. :cry


Wow; really sad indeed.

That shows how much passion he had for acting :depressed