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inconvertible
01-25-2008, 07:32 AM
Introduction

America became the greatest, most prosperous nation in human history through low taxes, constitutionally limited government, personal freedom and a belief in sound money. We need to return to these principles so our economy can thrive again. When enacted, my plan will provide both short-term stimulus and lay the groundwork for long-term prosperity.

Other candidates talk a lot about stimulus packages, but my record stands alone. I have fought for these measures for years as a member of Congress and will make them a top priority as president.

Ron Paul, a 10-term Republican Congressman from Texas's 14th District, is currently the ranking member of the House Financial Services Committee's Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy, Trade, and Technology. He has been named "Taxpayers' Best Friend" for 10 consecutive years by the National Taxpayers' Union. Ron Paul is also the author of several books on monetary policy and economics.

The Four-Point Plan

Tax Reform: Reduce the tax burden and eliminate taxes that punish investment and savings, including job-killing corporate taxes.
Spending Reform: Eliminate wasteful spending. Reduce overseas commitments. Freeze all non-defense, non-entitlement spending at current levels.
Monetary Policy Reform: Expand openness at the Federal Reserve and require the Fed to televise its meetings. Return value to our money.
Regulatory Reform: Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of US markets. Stop restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth.

1. Tax Reform

Eliminate Taxes on Dividends and Savings. The basis of capitalism is savings, and Americans who do so should be rewarded.
Pass HJ Res. 23 to encourage savings over consumption.

Repeal the Death Tax. Attacking small businesses and breaking up family farms smothers growth and kills jobs.
Pass H.R. 2734 to make the Bush tax cuts permanent.

Cut Taxes for Working Seniors. Grandmothers and grandfathers working to make ends meet should keep all the fruits of their labor.
Pass H.R. 191 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the inclusion in gross income of Social Security benefits.

Eliminate Taxes on Social Security Benefits. That money belongs to seniors, not the government. They paid into the system for a lifetime, and they should be free to spend every penny as they see fit.
Pass H.R. 192 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the 1993 increase in taxes on Social Security benefits.

Accelerate Depreciation on Investment. We need to help companies grow and create jobs.
Pass H.R. 4995 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to reduce corporate marginal income tax rates.


Eliminate Taxes on Capital Gains. Investment should be embraced and rewarded.
Pass H.J. Res 23 (The “Liberty Amendment”), proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.

Eliminate Taxes on Tips.The single parents and working students who earn their income chiefly through tips deserve to keep all of their money. This tax on "estimated income" is unfair and should be ended.
Pass H.R. 3664 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide that tips shall not be subject to income or employment taxes.

Support the Mortgage Cancellation Relief Act. Working families who lost their homes should not be punished a second time with a big IRS bill.
Pass H.R. 1876 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to exclude from the gross income of individual taxpayers discharges of indebtedness attributable to certain forgiven residential mortgage obligations.


2. Spending Reform

Reduce Overseas Military Commitments. Our bases and troops should be on our soil.
It's time to stop subsidizing our trading partners in Europe, Japan and South Korea.

Freeze Non-Defense, Non-Entitlement Spending at Current Levels
I vote against all bloated, pork laden spending bills and will veto them as president.

3. Monetary Policy Reform

Televise Federal Open Market Committee Meetings. An institution as powerful as the Federal Reserve deserves full public scrutiny.

Expand Transparency and Accountability at the Federal Reserve
Pass H.R. 2754 to require the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System to continue to make available to the public on a weekly basis information on the measure of the M3 monetary aggregate and its components.

Return Value to Our Money. Legalize gold and silver as a competing currency.
Level the long-term boom and bust business cycle by passing H.R. 4683, which would repeal provisions of the federal criminal code relating to issuing coins of gold, silver, or other metal for use as current money and making or possessing likenesses of such coins.

4. Regulatory Reform

Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley. It has seriously wounded our capital markets and helped make the UK a financial center at our expense.
Ending these misguided regulations would bring jobs flooding back to the United States

Pass H.R. 1049 to reform Sarbanes-Oxley and reduce the burden it places on small businesses.


Repeal or Remove Costly and Unnecessary Federal Regulations. Neighbors know best how to help their neighbors.
We need to make it easier for community banks, credit unions, and other financial institutions to better serve their communities and to help people in these communities get access to credit and capital.
Pass H.R. 1869 to enhance the ability of community banks to foster economic growth and serve their communities, boost small businesses, increase individual savings, and for other purposes.

Heath Ledger
01-25-2008, 08:07 AM
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SouthernFried
01-25-2008, 12:24 PM
SS, Medicare are entitlement programs. He doesn't say to freeze them. Entitlement programs are the # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc...reason spending is out of control. Account for 65% of our budget. Even Ron Paul doesn't want to deal with 'em.

I can live with the rest of his spending programs. But, he's still not addressing the real problem here.

There's nothing about getting rid of the injustice of the IRS or our progressive/punitive tax system. All his proposals are good "tweaks" to the current system...but, again, doesn't address the real problem of the IRS and our fucked-up tax system.

I don't think Paul understands fiscal/monetary policy as much as people give him credit for. He's willing to talk about it, and says things that make him sound intelligent to those who are less familiar with these subjects. He really doesn't understand how the dollar is valued in currency markets, has even stated we've been printing money endlessly. We haven't...it hasn't gone up in years now. Tho, since credit has expanded, and people now consider that part of the equation, he may be right...without even knowing it.

His solution to "fixing the boom/bust business cycle" by making gold and silver available to use...is totally incomprehensible. I don't mind being able to issue gold and silver, but...to assume its gonna level boom/bust cycles is just plain stupid. There are always ups and downs, whether your using gold, or paper. Nothing stays the same, and anyone who tries to control the market...can only do it for a short time.

He is right about 1 thing tho. When they took the M3 material behind closed doors awhile back, everyone was screaming. They need to make that information available again. Making FED meetings televised is ok with me, there will still be behind-the-doors meetings...as with any office/dept. Not a big deal, cuz every meeting right now gets published as soon as they let out. It's one of the major things currency traders look for. And M3 info usta be public, and there was boom/bust cycles still. None of Paul's monetary proposals will affect the dollar, or prevent boom/bust cycles.

His spending programs might however. Any attempt, even if it's little...is better than none.

There is only 1 thing that govt can do to positively affect the market and the dollar. Become financially responsible itself.

That means controlling spending, controlling confiscation of tax monies, controlling deficit/debt.

There is absolutely no will to do this. And Paul wont even deal with the major culprits. Eliminating entitlement spending and doing away with our confiscatory tax system. Everything he has proposed, tho good...are so minor as to basically make no difference.

Of course, even Paul's plan as stated above, will be portrayed as radical no-can-do extremism by socialists.

It ain't even a good start.

But, it's a start nevertheless.

Too bad people think he's nuts. lol

2centsworth
01-25-2008, 12:37 PM
SS, Medicare are entitlement programs. He doesn't say to freeze them. Entitlement programs are the # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc...reason spending is out of control. Account for 65% of our budget. Even Ron Paul doesn't want to deal with 'em.

I can live with the rest of his spending programs. But, he's still not addressing the real problem here.

very good point.

inconvertible
01-25-2008, 12:37 PM
no he has said over and over again. he wants to abolish federal income tax and abolish the IRS............FOR GOOD.

SouthernFried
01-25-2008, 12:38 PM
He's said it...I don't see it in his plan.

Lotsa people have said it. Reagan, even Bush I think.

The only person who had abolishing the IRS as a major part of his platform...was Steve Forbes.

I woulda voted for him on that alone.

spurster
01-25-2008, 01:41 PM
Whiny people who don't want to pay their taxes and support policies to make the US a third-world country.

inconvertible
01-25-2008, 01:42 PM
http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=236690


I read his books, he has been an advocate against the federal income tax/IRS for 30years..........its in his plans.

inconvertible
01-25-2008, 01:46 PM
he has always said it.

SouthernFried
01-25-2008, 01:57 PM
Show me his "getting-rid-of-the-IRS plan" in his presidential platform...and I'll concede the point.

Until he has it down, in writing...like he evidently thought was appropriate for the above...it's just another politician talking. If he thought it was important...doncha think it would been a 5 part plan instead of a 4 point one?

The only person I can remember who actually made disbanding the IRS a major part of his platform, the key part actually...was Steve Forbes.

Clinton said he was for a middle class tax cut, and Bush said "read my lips." And I think every republican in the last 20 yrs has "said", at some point, they wanna get rid of the IRS.

blah, blah, blah....

Extra Stout
01-25-2008, 05:12 PM
Show me his "getting-rid-of-the-IRS plan" in his presidential platform...and I'll concede the point.


He can show it to you, but you won't see it, because you see, incontinental will be hallucinating it. This is because he is insane.

remingtonbo2001
01-25-2008, 05:17 PM
He's said it...I don't see it in his plan.

Lotsa people have said it. Reagan, even Bush I think.

The only person who had abolishing the IRS as a major part of his platform...was Steve Forbes.

I woulda voted for him on that alone.

Steve Forbes is apart of the Giuliani campaign.

That's another reason why I hope Giuliani would get the Republican nominaiton. I figured he would be placed in his cabinent and hopefully get the ball rollin'.

DarkReign
01-25-2008, 05:29 PM
Steve Forbes is apart of the Giuliani campaign.

That's another reason why I hope Giuliani would get the Republican nominaiton. I figured he would be placed in his cabinent and hopefully get the ball rollin'.

Like whom? The idea that some politician could have the moxy/clout to somehow abolish the IRS is funny, to me.

Its isnt happening. Same with the Federal Reserve.

These arent some upstart, has-beens who would go quietly into that good night. These are power brokers who have had the American economy by the balls for nearing a century....

...and one thinks that a quick switch of Presidency and policy is going to somehow release said grip in his 4-8 year term?


Let me put it this way...(he will NEVER get elected)...

---------"TheoryWorld circa November 2008."--------

Ron Paul wins POTUS!!

"Yaaaa!" from the Tinfoil Hats!!

"Booo!!' from the....well, the governing Elite.

"As President, Im going to abolish the IRS and the Fed Reserve and return us to the gold standard with Congress in charge of the minting and value of our currency. On top of that, I am recalling all US forces worldwide not involved in Iraq or Afghanistan as of right now. Additionally, it is in the interest of the American peopl......"

BANG!

Dead. End of story.

--------------------------------

Most Americans wont even be watching that speech. Too busy with Jerry Springer and the latest Celebrity Dirt on E! TV.

Mavtek
01-25-2008, 07:35 PM
Show me his "getting-rid-of-the-IRS plan" in his presidential platform...and I'll concede the point.

Until he has it down, in writing...like he evidently thought was appropriate for the above...it's just another politician talking. If he thought it was important...doncha think it would been a 5 part plan instead of a 4 point one?

The only person I can remember who actually made disbanding the IRS a major part of his platform, the key part actually...was Steve Forbes.

Clinton said he was for a middle class tax cut, and Bush said "read my lips." And I think every republican in the last 20 yrs has "said", at some point, they wanna get rid of the IRS.

blah, blah, blah....


You didn't catch it? I guess no one here did! The "Liberty Amendment" remands the 16th altogether. This plan is freaking great :)

Eliminate Taxes on Capital Gains. Investment should be embraced and rewarded.
Pass H.J. Res 23 (The “Liberty Amendment”), proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.

SouthernFried
01-26-2008, 12:28 AM
You didn't catch it? I guess no one here did! The "Liberty Amendment" remands the 16th altogether. This plan is freaking great :)

Eliminate Taxes on Capital Gains. Investment should be embraced and rewarded.
Pass H.J. Res 23 (The “Liberty Amendment”), proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.

No, I didn't catch it. Dunno how I missed it, it's right there...in writing.

I feel like such a...congressman.

Chalk another 1 up for Paul.