Delonte West

[Ghost Writer]

Here's SG/PG that has fallen out of our ol' pal PJ Carleissimo's rotation in Seattle.

Get him.

Now.

[T Park]

a point guard that can't play for one of the worst teams in the NBA is good enough to play for the Spurs?

Makes sense.

[Ghost Writer]

Um, our current backup PG is Jaques Vaughn.

West plays behind E. Watson and L. Ridnour... two starting-quality PGs.

Put the hot dog down.

[T Park]

:lol

Who ya gonna trade that Seattle wants?

question

[ancestron]

how about putting down the pipe, its too early.
Delonte West sucks.
I'd rather have Jacques

[Tippecanoe]

careful what you wish for. delonte is a chucker. hes more of a undersized shooting guard than a real point guard

[T Park]

Delonte is a freckled version of Nick Van Exel.

Without the clutchness.

[Ghost Writer]

Lemme get this straight... a young backup PG that can pass and shoot?

Maybe you guys are right... let's stick with the 90-year-old dynamo Jaques Vaughn.




I bet we could get Vaughn cheap and sell PJ on someone he is familiar with off our bench.

[Bruno]

West has some health troubles this year and that's why he doesn't play a lot in Seattle. I'm not sure that Seattle is ready to trade him while they haven't been able to really evaluate him.

[T Park]

Hey Ghost,

a guy thats watched him up close that is a Celtics fan says he sucks, but yet you know more than him?

[Vinny Del Negro]

Holy crap, have you even watched the Sonics play? Worst pg's in the league that aren't named Eric Snow.

[Ghost Writer]

Please tell me you guys don't seriously think that Jaques Vaughn is better than, um, any backup PG.

I challenge you to name a worse second PG off the bench.

Period.

[T Park]

Beno Udrih.

Too easy.

[TheProfessor]

So you want a backup PG that's going to steal touches from Manu off the bench and jack up shots? Jacques rarely turns the ball over, plays good D, and hits open jumpers. He's a good fit for this team. You might want something flashier, but the Spurs knew what they were doing when they signed him.

[Ghost Writer]

Answer my question.

And Beno was starting for Sac and doing really well, you dope.

Vaughn doesn't hit open jumpers.

[T Park]

Vaughn doesn't hit open jumpers.

What was those things he made vs the lakers the other night....

[Ghost Writer]

What's Vaughn's scoring average and FG%?

Name a worse backup.

[T Park]

And Beno was starting for Sac and doing really well, you dope.



Had no pressure on him and chucked up a bunch of shots.

Sounds like Spurs material to me.

[nkdlunch]

Vaughn is a solid backup PG. we might need a 3rd pg though especially since Tony is hurting

[Kori Ellis]

West plays behind E. Watson and L. Ridnour... two starting-quality PGs.

If you think Ridnour is better than Delonte West. You should just hope the Spurs trade for Ridnour instead. He's the one that the Sonics have been trying to deal for the last year.

The only PG I'd want from Seattle is Watson though. DE-FENSE.

[Ghost Writer]

Name a worse backup.

I'm waiting.

[remingtonbo2001]

Name a worse backup.

I'm waiting.

Smush Parker. Steve Francis. Beno....it's pointless to go on.

Pop called Vaughn the IDEAL BACKUP POINT GUARD.

Of course Pop's expeirence and wisdom could never surpass yours!
:rolleyes

I'm wondering if JeffDrums hi-jacked your username. Do you actually watch any of the games? Or do you limit yourself to the boxscore?

[timvp]

If the Sonics want to give away West, this actually wouldn't be a bad idea. Especially if there's a chance that Parker's ankle never gets quite right.

That said, the Sonics probably value West more than Ridnour and Watson once you consider the contracts of all three.

[ChumpDumper]

That's fine, as long as we keep Vaughn in case West continues to suck.

[TheProfessor]

Vaughn doesn't hit open jumpers.
Last year, Jacque hit 46.6% of his long two's. He is actually far worse around the basket. If you just want to talk about shooting percentage, and since scoring averages are pretty unreliable compared with actually value to a team (the Spurs should have at least taught you that by now), some PG's with worse TS%'s and turnover ratios are Brevin Knight, Travis Diener, Jason Hart, Jannero Pargo, Chris Duhon, Sebastian Telfair, Luke Ridnour, etc. It goes on.

But a lot of this is subjective; stats are never going to reveal everything. My question is, where else do we get a PG who can pressure the ball up the court, play above average defense, hit open jumpers at a good clip, all while not getting in the way of our stars (particularly Manu), and for the vet min. Jacque's a good deal. That said, I would have liked to have had Darius Washington around as an offensive spark-plug 3rd PG.

[Ghost Writer]

Smush Parker. Steve Francis. Beno....it's pointless to go on.
Chris Quinn is Jason Williams' backup in Miami. Mike James is Rafer Alston's backup in Houston.

Get your facts straight, jack@ss.

Still waiting.

P.S.

Jan 24 West did not play Wednesday as he appears to be the odd man out in coach P.J. Carlesimo's shortened rotation. Carlesimo is limiting the rotation to nine or 10 players. With two point guards (Luke Ridnour, Earl Watson) already playing, there is little room left for West.

[nkdlunch]

Name a worse backup.

I'm waiting.

Carlos Arroyo, Steve Francis, Nate Robinson, Quinn, I could go on and on...

hell, I would not take starters Jason Williams or Rafer Alston over Vaughn

[Ghost Writer]

And that's why you are a retard.

Half those guys start and all of them are way better.

[nkdlunch]

ok Ghost Whiner, you go win a championship with Williams or little Nate as your backup PGs LOL

[rascal]

Answer my question.

And Beno was starting for Sac and doing really well, you dope.

Vaughn doesn't hit open jumpers.

Beno has played well in Sac when he was getting starters minutes. He didn't seem to have any confidence with his limited role in San Antonio.

[rascal]

Nate plays with heart but he is too small and will get abused by the bigger better pgs in the league in the playoffs.

[Ghost Writer]

ok Ghost Whiner, you go win a championship with Williams or little Nate as your backup PGs LOL

Gladly!

J-Will has a ring as a starter, jerk0ff.

Nate is one of the few bright spots on the Knicks.

[Whisky Dog]

As long as Vaughn doesn't shoot anything other than a wide open mid range jumper and facilitates ball movement within the offense he's the ideal backup PG for the Spurs. You can't just look at the player from a stats or one on one matchup perspective, you have to look at what their role is for their team. Vaughn's role is not to put up numbers, his role is to facilitate ball movement with the 2nd unit to set up Manu, Udoka, Barry, etc. On defense he's exactly what Pop wants at the PG position for the 2nd unit. Face it, he's the backup PG for this season and more than likely next as well. Pop loves the guy because he plays his role fairly consistently and doesn't take away touches from the scorers.

[ehz33satx]

Vaughn doesn't hit open jumpers.

He always hits his open jumpers. You must not watch many Spurs games, or your just a hater.

[nkdlunch]

Gladly!

J-Will has a ring as a starter, jerk0ff.

Nate is one of the few bright spots on the Knicks.

Vaughn > JWill, jackass

[Ghost Writer]

Jason Williams is better than Jaques Vaughn.

Kill yourself.

[ehz33satx]

Please tell me you guys don't seriously think that Jaques Vaughn is better than, um, any backup PG.

I challenge you to name a worse second PG off the bench.

Period.

Ricky Davis for the Miami Heat. Period, jerk off!

[Ghost Writer]

Vaughn is shooting 44% and 4 points a game.

Hits his open jumpers, my @ss.

[ChumpDumper]

White Chuckolate shoots 38% and makes $9,000,000.00.

[diego]

since when is 44% a bad clip?

[ehz33satx]

Jacque Vaughn is hard working, smart, hustling, reliable, and he does hit open jumpers consistently. He does the job for the Spurs and as long as he is cool in Pops book, who gives a F*CK what you think.

[Tippecanoe]

go head, pick up delonte. he'll be your problem now

[timvp]

On shots between 15 to 18 feet, Vaughn has hit a very good percentage as a Spur. In fact, he might hit those shots at a higher percentage than anyone on the team.

I'm not a big Vaughn fan overall because I think his defense is overrated and sometimes he doesn't pass quickly enough. However, I dislike him because he doesn't hit jumpers. That's just inaccurate.

And while I'm not a huge Vaughn fan, for what they are paying him he's better than anyone else the Spurs could get. You could try to find a young second round pick or something but that player isn't going to bring Vaughn's leadership or his willingness to accept his role.

It's fine to be a Vaughn playa hata, Ghost, but at least hate him for valid reasons.

[Ghost Writer]

I hate him because he sucks... open jumpers or not.

Still waiting for a worse backup.

Anyone?

[Tippecanoe]

I hate him because he sucks... open jumpers or not.

Still waiting for a worse backup.

Anyone?

at least you have a backup PG

[hater]

ppl already mentioned tons of worse backups. it seems you're all alone on this one

[ChumpDumper]

Delonte is shooting 40% :lmao

[timvp]

I hate him because he sucks... open jumpers or not.

Still waiting for a worse backup.

Anyone?Pistons - Flip Murray/Rodney Stuckey
Clippers - Dan Dickau
Jazz - Jason Hart
Hawks - Acie Law

Game Over.

[hater]

Jacque Vaughn is hard working, smart, hustling, reliable, and he does hit open jumpers consistently. He does the job for the Spurs and as long as he is cool in Pops book, who gives a F*CK what you think.

:clap

he also is a great defender and always brings energy

[Tippecanoe]

Pistons - Flip Murray/Rodney Stuckey
Clippers - Dan Dickau
Jazz - Jason Hart

Game Over.

what about the pacers' backup. whatever his name is.

[timvp]

what about Travis DienerGood point.

[Ghost Writer]

Pistons - Flip Murray/Rodney Stuckey
Clippers - Dan Dickau
Jazz - Jason Hart
Hawks - Acie Law

Game Over.

Based on what criteria, exactly?

Certainly not numbers or production or general NBA acumen.

Vaughn is garbage.

[timvp]

Based on what criteria, exactly?Basketball playing ability.


Certainly not numbers or production or general NBA acumen.Compare the numbers and acumen.


Vaughn is a cheap backup who usually doesn't hurt the team.Exactly.

[AFBlue]

I like West. He's got some moxie and is a good shooter. Sure, he has a shoot first mentality, but the Spurs could do worse than this kid as a combo guard on a rookie contract.

If he really is outbound from Seattle, I see no reason why the Spurs shouldn't make a run at him.

[Ghost Writer]

All those guys you listed are better.

I hate "cheap."

We only get guys like Bowen and Vaughn, because no one else wants them.


They are not that good guys.

C'mon.

[ss1986v2]

They are not that good guys.

C'mon.
ok, fine, youre right. you win. everyone else loses.

guess we can close this thing down now...

[ChumpDumper]

If you are going to bitch about Vaughn's shooting, it doesn't help to pimp players who shoot a worse percentage.

[Budkin]

Answer my question.

And Beno was starting for Sac and doing really well, you dope.

Vaughn doesn't hit open jumpers.

Actually Vaughn's hit quite a few open jumpers since the Finals last season. I used to cringe when he came in but I've gotta admit he's stabilized himself quite a bit.

[TheProfessor]

If you are going to bitch about Vaughn's shooting, it doesn't help to pimp players who shoot a worse percentage.
I don't think common sense really figures into any of his arguments.

[hater]

We only get guys like Bowen and Vaughn, because no one else wants them.


Ok now you proved you are really delusional, Noone else wants Bowen??

[v2freak]

West was very good with Boston. I saw a lot of the games and he'll pretty much give you a little bit of everything. He hits open shots, passes the ball, sees the court well, rebounds, steals errant passes, blocks the shots of big men and shoots it well from the free throw line.

[e20dylan]

a point guard that can't play for one of the worst teams in the NBA is good enough to play for the Spurs?

Makes sense.

hey whats up with those pictures in your signature i only ask cause im curious

[ehz33satx]

I hate him because he sucks... open jumpers or not.

Still waiting for a worse backup.

Anyone?

RICKY DAVIS, for the second time!

[Ghost Writer]

Man, you guys don't know the primary PG backups on other NBA teams, huh?

Vaughn scores less than 5 PPG! You want me to get excited over 44% shooting at 4 PPG?

C'mon.

[ChumpDumper]

Man, you guys don't know the primary PG backups on other NBA teams, huh?

Vaughn scores less than 5 PPG! You want me to get excited over 44% shooting at 4 PPG?

C'mon.You want us to get excited about a guy who is scoring 3.7 points on 25% shooting in 20 minutes a game this month.

[ehz33satx]

Vaughn's job is to come in and be a steady hand when Parker sits for his few minutes of rest. It is not his job to score 20 points a game. Anyways, we get it, your the CEO of the I HATE JACQUE VAUGHN club. But who cares about what you think.
Ricky Davis came in off the bench to relieve Williams in the Miami game, so that makes him the back up point guard. Ricky Davis sucks worse than Vaughn does, so there.

[Solid D]

I like Delonte but he's not a very good PG. He's got some real clutchness to his game. He's a small scoring guard who brings energy and hustle. Of course, Tony Parker is too but Tony has more floor leadership skills.

[Flo-Rida]

Delonte is a freckled version of Nick Van Exel.

Without the clutchness.
he was pretty clutch when he hit me that game tying three pointer on Live aganist the kings shit was wet.

[manufor3]

All those guys you listed are better.


We only get guys like Bowen and Vaughn, because no one else wants them.


OMG ARE YOU MAD MAN???!!!

[T Park]

chump dumper has pretty much owned this whole convo.

[exstatic]

I hate him because he sucks... open jumpers or not.

Still waiting for a worse backup.

Anyone?
Boston's "no one" comes to mind.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

I'd take Telfair over Delonte.

[T Park]

eh, I wouldn't.

[TDMVPDPOY]

wattabout the spanish dude who bolted when he got traaded?

[remingtonbo2001]

chump dumper has pretty much owned this whole convo. :toast

I really didn't want to take time outta of my day just to prove the obvious.

Thank you Chump Dumper. To criticize someone for their hard work and dedication get's old, especially when it isn't merrited.

Are you a democrat GW. :lol

[MaNu4Tres]

As long as Vaughn doesn't shoot anything other than a wide open mid range jumper and facilitates ball movement within the offense he's the ideal backup PG for the Spurs. You can't just look at the player from a stats or one on one matchup perspective, you have to look at what their role is for their team. Vaughn's role is not to put up numbers, his role is to facilitate ball movement with the 2nd unit to set up Manu, Udoka, Barry, etc. On defense he's exactly what Pop wants at the PG position for the 2nd unit. Face it, he's the backup PG for this season and more than likely next as well. Pop loves the guy because he plays his role fairly consistently and doesn't take away touches from the scorers.

Well said! Vaughn understands his role perfectly. Spurs don't need a chucker that doesn't know the difference between a good shot and a bad one. All a chucker will do is take away shots from our big 3 and other high percentage open corner 3's from our wings Udoka/ Bowen/ Finley. I do agree though that Vaughn is sometimes telepathic with his passing and his defense is a tad overrated. All in all for his price and how he understands his role. Vaughn is a bargain. You can't find a better fit for the price. Spurs need a big man in the middle if anything.