My Brent Barry Thoughts

[PM5K]

I think Brent is far too athletic to act like a spot up three point shooter. He acts like he is Steve Kerr but he is considerably quicker, taller, and more athletic.

He has shown us many times (although not enough) that even though he is thirty three he is still very athletic and when his threes aren't falling I think he should mix it up with more mid range jump shots and especially driving to the basket.

I think the confidence he will get from making other types of baskets can only help him hit threes.

I don't want to get into his minutes and Devin Brown etc, etc but I think that using his athelticism more often can only be to his benefit.....

[ALVAREZ6]

I agree.

I still wanna see TP, Manu, and Barry on the court at the same time.
can you say athleticism?

[whottt]

It's Pop and the Spurs offense that makes him play as a spot up shooter....when you run the ball through Duncan and Duncan holds it for 7 seconds of the clock and attempts to suck in the D, it doesn't leave much of an opportunity for those players to be anything other than spot up shooters.

I think Brent would be the first to tell you he'd rather do more than just be a spot up shooter...

He leads the team in 2 point FG% by the way.

[Dre_7]

I'm not worried about Barry at all. Come playoff time and later in the season, I think he will be a big part of the team and make a lot of big/clutch plays. Thats just what I think.

[thispego]

I think Brent is far too athletic to act like a spot up three point shooter. He acts like he is Steve Kerr but he is considerably quicker, taller, and more athletic.

I think that was more of a problem at the beginning of the season when Brent couldn't hit shit from beyond the arc. It seemed as if he didnt even want to try anything else till he busted a 3. But as of late(last 10 games or so), i've seen him mixing it up more, taking it to the hoop, etc.

[MI21]

He leads the team in 2 point FG% by the way.

Not that I don't believe you, but do you have the team numbers for that stat?

[whottt]

But of course, mate.

From ESPN and sorted by 2point PCT:


Spurs Leaders
NAME FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS* ADJ.
FG%^
B. Barry 2.1 5.1 .405 1.0 3.4 .296 1.2 1.5 .809 34 55 .618 1.24 .503
M. Wilks 0.4 1.0 .421 0.0 0.2 .000 0.2 0.2 1.000 8 15 .533 1.05 .421
E. Ginobili 4.7 10.0 .471 1.4 3.5 .382 3.8 4.9 .783 104 200 .520 1.46 .539
T. Parker 6.1 12.8 .477 0.6 2.1 .284 2.2 3.2 .693 176 342 .515 1.17 .500
R. Horry 1.5 3.2 .457 0.4 1.2 .371 1.0 1.3 .763 30 59 .508 1.36 .527
T. Duncan 8.5 16.9 .504 0.1 0.2 .333 5.0 7.9 .636 270 534 .506 1.31 .506
M. Rose 2.6 5.4 .471 0.0 0.1 .000 1.5 2.3 .662 82 171 .480 1.22 .471
D. Brown 2.7 5.9 .453 0.5 1.3 .390 1.4 1.7 .833 70 149 .470 1.23 .495
B. Bowen 2.9 6.9 .421 1.1 3.0 .361 0.8 1.3 .659 58 124 .468 1.12 .500
B. Udrih 2.1 4.5 .469 0.7 1.4 .478 0.9 1.2 .789 46 99 .465 1.30 .545
R. Nesterovic 2.7 6.3 .431 0.0 0.0 .000 0.3 0.6 .450 87 202 .431 0.91 .431
T. Massenburg 0.6 1.5 .382 0.0 0.0 .000 0.8 0.9 .895 13 34 .382 1.26 .382
TOTALS 36.2 78.2 .463 5.7 16.2 .350 18.7 26.3 .711 978 1984 .493 1.24 .500
OPPONENTS 31.7 77.0 .412 4.0 10.6 .379 17.7 22.7 .781 887 2125 .417 1.11 .438

And the link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teamstats?team=sas&sort=2p%&avg=pg&order=true&season=2&seasonYear=2005&split=0)

Although I really don't see why this would surprise you...Barry has shot at 50% over all on more than one occassion, with all the 3 point shots he takes, even shooting 50%, it stands to reason he should shoot twos at a very high PCT.

[PM5K]

I think that was more of a problem at the beginning of the season when Brent couldn't hit shit from beyond the arc. It seemed as if he didnt even want to try anything else till he busted a 3. But as of late(last 10 games or so), i've seen him mixing it up more, taking it to the hoop, etc.

I agree with you except that I recall him playing well over the past six games, not ten.

Having said that let me also say that I originally had this thought some time ago after seeing him use his athleticism and then going quite a few games without driving to the basket at all but I was far too lazy to post this.

I guess he must have read my mind or someone over there noticed the same thing I did and I hope he keeps it up....

[boutons]

His 2pt %age is high, but it's not completely valid due to the very small number of 2's he's taken vs the other Spurs. Same idea nba.com where 3pr % at some point in the year isn't considerered unles the player has attempted a threshold of 3's.

One would have to see his season shot chart, but I bet his 2pt %age is so high because he seems to shoot 3's badly or make layups, rather than being a 60% 2pt jump shooter.

[whottt]

Well, you'd be wrong, because every player on the Spurs scores their share of transition baskets and layups...Barry has a nice two point shot.

But never mind, I have to remember I am arguing with a Spurfan...and they have deemed Barry can't shoot so therefore his entire career numbers prior to this season are invalid.

His 2 PT PCT is merely a fluke and the sham that Brent Barry is has once again been exposed by all knowing Spurfans.

Your point that he hasn't taken that many twos goes right in line with my saying that the he is a spot up shooter because of the Spurs offense and he would probably prefer to do more...I'm pretty sure if he had his way he would have taken a lot more twos...

But never mind, let's just forget the fact that Brent Barry shot over 50% from the field last season and in previous seasons as well...it's just a fluke.

That still leaves you to digest the information that he is among the best on the team in PPS...not to mention he leads the team in assists to TO ratio and turns it over fewer times per 48 mins than any other ball handler on the team.

Not to mention he is one of the best players in +/-, our offense has been proven to be statistically better when he is getting substantial minutes, not to mention our Won-Lost PCT....and unfortunately, what the stats dont' s how is how clutch he has been...at least in one of the ways that I define it.

Believe it or not not turning the ball over is a pretty good form of d in and of itself...see the Houston game and see the Sacremento game.

But anyway, I'm just banging my head against the wall belabouring this issue...

The San Antonio Spurs brain trust and it's allknowing and allmighty fans have discovered that Barry sucks..so there is no way Barry can be anything other that total shit and his entire career prior to this season has been a fluke.....because we know exceptional guard play, we never misuse guards and we never choke in the playoffs or have a stupid offense...

[Brodels]

I agree.

He simply looks confused to me. I still don't think he knows exactly what is expected of him. I'm hoping that by the end of the month he'll have a defined role and he'll know exactly what he should be doing. The Spurs could certainly use his athleticism on the offensive end.


His 2pt %age is high, but it's not completely valid due to the very small number of 2's he's taken vs the other Spurs. Same idea nba.com where 3pr % at some point in the year isn't considerered unles the player has attempted a threshold of 3's.

One would have to see his season shot chart, but I bet his 2pt %age is so high because he seems to shoot 3's badly or make layups, rather than being a 60% 2pt jump shooter.

Whottt is right on this one. He's been one of the best shooting off guards in the league over the past few years. He's always shot the ball well from inside the arc. There is no reason to believe that his two point percentage is a fluke.

Now the playoffs are a different story...

[whottt]

I'm going to try and make this point one last time...

The fluke is not that Brent Barry has a high 2 pt PCT...

The fluke is his current raw shooting PCT, that is the figure that is unusual for him, and inspite of those things he still is an efficient shooter when you look at something other than raw FG%(which is 40% in a bad year for him)...when you look at 2 PT PCT and PPS...you see he is as good as most of the guys on the team and better than some. And again this is without factoring in things like clutchness, passing without TOing it...etc.

[whottt]

Now the playoffs are a different story...


And I will argue that what sets Barry apart from our previous post season failures in that role...Smitty, Ferry, Porter, Hedo...

Barry can be choking from three and still make something happen on offense beneficial to the team, he doesn't have to hit threes or even shoot to make us a better offensive team, he is that smart of an offensive player, he is that good in transition, he is that good in half court passing, he is that good at not turning it over.