Pau Gasol Traded To Lakers For Nothing

[Medvedenko]

Anyone one in the West Top 8 can upset anyone......by adding Gasol the Lakers when healthy have to be regarded as Top 2 team next to the Spurs....evenn though they have struggled lately.

[Medvedenko]

Anyone one in the West Top 8 can upset anyone......by adding Gasol the Lakers when healthy have to be regarded as Top 2 team next to the Spurs....even though they have struggled lately.

Sorry double post...getting to excited... :smokin

[magui86770]

Agree, MoSpur. However, I don't think the Spurs will do anything. Once we get TP and Barry healthy, we can beat anybody.

[VaSpursFan]

How come everyone is getting excited about Mike Miller?

Career Playoffs
40% FG shooting
34% 3pt shooting
9 pts per game

look at how he is trending now...he's balling this season. furthermore, he's the perfect compliment to an offense that is post oriented. imagine mikey miller spotting up for 3's (he's shooting 40% or so this season on a crappy memphis team) versus finley. he would be a solid 3rd/4th option/scorer on this team.

[himat]

You can't say that the Lakers are the second best team in the West before you have seen the revamped roster play. There are many teams who could be considered the tip teams in the West.

[timvp]

How come everyone is getting excited about Mike Miller?

Career Playoffs
40% FG shooting
34% 3pt shooting
9 pts per gameAs a top option on a bad team, it's no surprise that Miller would suck in the playoffs. If the Spurs got him, he'd be the fourth option.

Plus I'm sure his playoff numbers weren't helped by being locked up by Bowen that one year. Same thing happened to Barry and his playoff percentages haven't been horrible as a Spur.

The only thing I worry about with Miller is his chronically injured back ... but he's been healthy most of the season and only has two more years on his contract.

[TheNextGen]

man..after trading shaq, i thought it would be a decade b4 they become contendors. =(

[DazedAndConfused]

This was the perfect trade for the Lakers. We finally addressed our forward problem and found a guy who can actually put the ball into the hoop. The best part about this trade is we didn't have to give up any depth at all outside of Kwame+Critt. Our bench stays in tact.

[sabar]

Grizzlies fans seem split over trade: http://grizzlies.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/880608174/m/4011037432

[timvp]

They were never willing to take back a contract with years left on it before.

With the next cap space scheme taking place 2 1/2 seasons from now, they can do that now.Exactly. Perfect example is Kyle Korver. Spurs were supposedly after him. That wouldn't have been the case that last couple seasons since the Spurs had The 2008 Plan pending. Now that the plan got extended, they have a couple years to work with.

If there is a capable swingman available with a couple years left on their contract, the Spurs will be interested. Especially considering it makes more long-term cap sense to overpay someone like Korver or Miller for a couple season than to blow the entire MLE on a long contract.

Basically, the Spurs will be on the lookout for a way to flip a player like Barry or Elson for a similar player who has a couple years left on their contract. Even if they have to overpay those couple years.

[magui86770]

Does anyone recall what the Bulls were offering to memphis? Had got to be better than what they received in trade! Just goes to show you: you wait long enough, it'll get discounted!!

[MoSpur]

I would like Wilcox or Villanueva.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

This reeks of collusion.

If it were a fantasy trade the commish would squash it.

Fark, the Lakers just became conteders again.

[batboy]

Re: Gasol finally going to Chicago???
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2111155#post2111155

Pau. Gasol. Is. Overrated.

[Don Quixote]

I may be in the minority with Spurs fans here, but I'm of the opinion that it's better for everyone when the Lakers are good.

I hate em as much as the next Spurs fan, but (1) they are one of the marquee franchises in basketball, and (2) we have developed a nice rivalry with them. The better the "popular" franchises like the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, etc. are, the more it means when the Spurs cream them in big games, the playoffs, and the Finals. IT will add more prestige and respect for our championships.

This is because people are watching it, and talking to each other about the game, and saying, "Dang, those Spurs are gangsta," etc. A win-win for everyone.

[magui86770]

Thanks batboy.

[ludda]

I may be in the minority with Spurs fans here, but I'm of the opinion that it's better for everyone when the Lakers are good.

I hate em as much as the next Spurs fan, but (1) they are one of the marquee franchises in basketball, and (2) we have developed a nice rivalry with them. The better the "popular" franchises like the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, etc. are, the more it means when the Spurs cream them in big games, the playoffs, and the Finals. IT will add more prestige and respect for our championships.

This is because people are watching it, and talking to each other about the game, and saying, "Dang, those Spurs are gangsta," etc. A win-win for everyone.

yeah you're in the minority

[magui86770]

Question: Who does Duncan play now, Bynum or Gasol? I would go with Bynum. Gasol would continuity beat Duncan off the dribble.

[T Park]

Oberto can guard Gasol.

[T Park]

Plus I'm sure his playoff numbers weren't helped by being locked up by Bowen that one year. Same thing happened to Barry and his playoff percentages haven't been horrible as a Spur.


What was his excuse when they played Phoenix?

[ShoogarBear]

Just gotta hope that the Lakers and Mavs somehow play each other in the playoffs. Fixed.

I could care less about facing the Suns again.

[ShoogarBear]

On the bright side, the Scola trade is now off the books at the worst of this season.

[Spurminator]

Gasol is highly overpaid and he's nowhere near good enough to build a franchise around. He's in a good situation now with the Lakers and it sucks that they were able to get him for cap space, but it's not like the Grizzlies were insane not to keep him.

It's clear that they're transitioning into the Gay Era.

[Don Quixote]

It's clear that they're transitioning into the Gay Era.

This is a hunch, but I'm willing to bet that Rudy Gay's jersey doesn't sell all that well.

[timvp]

Fixed.

I could care less about facing the Suns again.Yeah but I was talking about the comedic factor. The Suns losing against the Lakers would be a lot funnier than the Suns losing against the Spurs. D'Antoni has talked trash about owning the Lakers for years now and had that hissy fit earlier in the season when Phil Jackson called a timeout with the lead.

[ShoogarBear]

As a Spurs fan would you trade Barry, Elson, a first rounder and the choice of either Splitter or Mahinmi for Mike Miller? After looking at how Miller is shooting this season (50%+ from the field, 43%+ from three) and how he has even lit up Bowen this year, I lean toward yes.On the minus side, Miller has never impressed me as clutch.

On the positive side, the Spurs get younger for a change, and ploto and angel have someone else to root for.

[Spurminator]

:lol

[Medvedenko]

This is a hunch, but I'm willing to bet that Rudy Gay's jersey doesn't sell all that well.


:p:

Yeah no doubt.....I can see today's youth sporting "Gay" on their back.....

[anjlbitz]

When is Bynum coming back?

[Agloco]

"Pau Gasol Traded to Lakers For Nothing"

- That's what I call "equal value"

:smokin

[Medvedenko]

The only team I'm scared of is the Spurs....that is all. The rest of them we can compete as is and now with Pau even more so. The spurs have too many intangibles and 1 too many saxaphone players in their alumni not to mention sweet shaving commercials.

[Medvedenko]

When is Bynum coming back?

Hopefully in 5 weeks.

[batboy]

"Pau Gasol Traded to Lakers For Nothing"

- That's what I call "equal value"

:smokin

:downspin:

[ShoogarBear]

Yeah but I was talking about the comedic factor. The Suns losing against the Lakers would be a lot funnier than the Suns losing against the Spurs. D'Antoni has talked trash about owning the Lakers for years now and had that hissy fit earlier in the season when Phil Jackson called a timeout with the lead.True.

On the other hand, the Lakers' healthy lineup now looks like the Mavs' worst nightmare outside of a lineup of Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson, and three cadavers.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:wow
Biggest kudos to the Lakers for swindling Memphis.

[anjlbitz]

Hopefully in 5 weeks.

Nice. I like Bynum and the Lakers. I'm a Phil Jackson fan (2nd to Pop of course)

I'm crossing my fingers for the Lakers-Spurs WCF, it will be one for the ages!

[DazedAndConfused]

I can't wait till we revisit the Spurs-Lakers rivalry in the playoffs again. I love the NBA.

[Medvedenko]

Yes, I joined Spurs talk back in 04 after and was here during the infamous .04 shot....loved it since and have took my share of beats over the years....but this is gold for us right now. Still think we're a year out, but finally we bag another all-star calibre player to hang with Kobe.

[DazedAndConfused]

This move allows us to contend this year, but I don't think we will.

Next year for sure though

[rascal]

Gasol is famous for failing in big games. Gasol never had a good enough supporting cast. Gasol isn't good enough to carry a team as the best player but as the 2nd or 3rd option he isn't bad.

Would you be saying this had the spurs landed Gasol ??

[tav1]

Ric Bucher is reporting that Bynum may be done for the year.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Nice move.

But shit, if all they wanted back was nothing (Memphis) we have a few nothing's to offer.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Ric Bucher is reporting that Bynum may be done for the year.
And the Lakers story makes another twist and tumble...

[rascal]

man..after trading shaq, i thought it would be a decade b4 they become contendors. =(

Unlike the spurs the Lakers can reload through trades.

Don't forget they got Kobe through a trade and added Shaq. They did lose Caron Butler for Brown which was a bad move. But they are more agressive in loading up and improving through trades while the spurs need to rely on lucky lottery bounces .

[missmyzte]

Woo hoo!!! A great day for Lakers fans, the season is revived and fans have something to be excited about again. If only Bynum and Ariza can get over their injuries quickly, this is going to be a dangerous team come playoffs!

Almost forgot - Jerry West is still a Laker at heart!!!

[ShoogarBear]

Jerry West:Lakers :: Dennis Lindsay:Rockets

[rascal]

Ric Bucher is reporting that Bynum may be done for the year.
Is this true? I have Bynum on a few fantasy teams.

[pad300]

...
Almost forgot - Jerry West is still a Laker at heart!!!


Jerry West, consultant to the Memphis Grizzlies FO.

In other words, you admit this deal qualifies as Collusion...

[missmyzte]

Is this true? I have Bynum on a few fantasy teams.
I doubt it, Bynum was interviewed a couple days ago at a game and said recovery was going well and he was optimistic about the 8-week timetable.

[missmyzte]

Jerry West, consultant to the Memphis Grizzlies FO.

In other words, you admit this deal qualifies as Collusion...And I have no problem with that whatsoever. :spin

[rascal]

Exactly. Perfect example is Kyle Korver. Spurs were supposedly after him. That wouldn't have been the case that last couple seasons since the Spurs had The 2008 Plan pending. Now that the plan got extended, they have a couple years to work with.

If there is a capable swingman available with a couple years left on their contract, the Spurs will be interested. Especially considering it makes more long-term cap sense to overpay someone like Korver or Miller for a couple season than to blow the entire MLE on a long contract.

Basically, the Spurs will be on the lookout for a way to flip a player like Barry or Elson for a similar player who has a couple years left on their contract. Even if they have to overpay those couple years.

Kyle Korver is not an impact player. He is not that good. Korver is the type of players the spurs settle for.

[ShoogarBear]

This is the Lakers, you need to not only bring your A game, but you also have

to bring you A looks.

Shave the beared!!!

Only in SoCal. :rolleyes

[duncan228]

The local beat writer chimes in.

http://www.ocregister.com/news/lakers-los-angeles-1971838-lakers-pau

Lakers trade for Grizzlies power forward Pau Gasol
They surrender Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton and two draft picks in a deal that significantly bolsters their front line and their championship chances.

By KEVIN DING
The Orange County Register

The bold move for championship immediacy that Kobe Bryant has long been awaiting finally has happened:

Power forward Pau Gasol, a 2006 All-Star, is coming in trade from the Memphis Grizzlies with a second-round pick for Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton and two future first-round draft picks. It is a deal that catapults the Lakers into championship contention both now and later.

The 7-foot Gasol, 27, is averaging 18.9 points and 8.8 rebounds in what has been a slightly down season for him as he weathered numerous trade scenarios once Memphis concluded he was not dynamic enough to anchor a rebuilding team. The Lakers expect to plug Gasol into an imposing frontcourt of size and skill with Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum, giving them three top-shelf interior players -- all 6-foot-10 or taller -- to go with Bryant, believed by many to be the best player in the game.

“We’re extremely pleased to be able to make this trade,” Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said. “Pau is a proven player of all-star caliber in this league who can score and rebound, and he’s still a young player. We feel this move strengthens our team in the short term as well as the long term.”

The Lakers lose little in the mistake- and injury-prone Brown, whose expiring $9.1 million contract provides salary-cap relief to Memphis. The Grizzlies, who saw Jerry West retire after last season and replaced him with Chris Wallace, wanted out from under the remaining $63.1 million over four years of Gasol’s contract (including this season). Crittenton, the Lakers’ 2007 No. 1 pick, has great upside but no spot in Lakers coach Phil Jackson’s current rotation -- and the Lakers have a point guard of the future already in the emerging Jordan Farmar.

The Lakers are making a commitment with three high-salary players in Bryant ($19.5 million), Gasol ($13.7 million) and Odom ($13.3 million) -- with Bynum set to join them in 2009-10 once he gets his hefty extension this summer. But the accompanying talent is unquestionable, with the Lakers also retaining all their depth. Even if Odom isn’t ideal quickness-wise as far as defending opposing small forwards, the Lakers still have Luke Walton and Trevor Ariza or Bryant to pick up that burden.

Odom also could be moved for a cheaper replacement talent next season, when he is in the final season of his contract and another club could be seeking cap relief. The Lakers will need to shed salary to avoid a massive luxury-tax bill once Bynum’s extension kicks in with the 2009-10 season.

Although the Lakers could have been more aggressive in going for available New Jersey point guard Jason Kidd, he turns 35 next month and doesn’t play as great of a need position. Jackson said after he agreed to his contract extension earlier this season that the one thing the Lakers were lacking was a quality banger inside. Gasol isn’t necessarily the most physical big man, but he is a big man who can be physical. Gasol is fully capable of filling in at center until Bynum returns.

Gasol hasn’t won in Memphis, but he has done extremely well for the Spanish national team. Spain won the 2006 FIBA World Championship, with Gasol being named tournament MVP.

The 2002 NBA Rookie of the Year, Gasol has a gentle touch around the basket and a mid-range jumper that should be ideal for the power-forward slot in the triangle offense. He is also adept as a shot blocker -- he has averaged 1.8 blocks per game for his NBA career -- and with Bynum gives the Lakers two defensive stoppers inside. Gasol has missed three of Memphis’ past four games because of a sore back, but it isn’t considered a major problem.

The move should go a long way toward ending talk of Bryant wanting to be traded away. Even though Bryant still has some issues with individuals in the organization, his desire to win more championships remains at the fore. And Lakers decision-makers Jerry Buss and Kupchak now have added two difference-makers through in-season trades: Ariza, who is out another month and a half because of a fractured foot, and Gasol.

The Lakers gave up first-round picks in 2008 and ’10 but get back Memphis’ 2010 second-rounder. They also included Aaron McKie, whom they weren’t planning on re-signing, and the draft rights to 2007 second-round pick Marc Gasol, Pau’s younger brother.

[Extra Stout]

This is a hunch, but I'm willing to bet that Rudy Gay's jersey doesn't sell all that well.
It's kind of ironic that the Grizzlies just traded away a European homosexual so that they can build their team around a guy named Gay.

[DazedAndConfused]

Bynum is not out for the season. People need to stop listening to Bucher, he has no clue what he is talking about. This is the same guy that said Kobe would never play for the Lakers again.

Bynum is on schedule to come back in the 8 week timeframe. He was just interviewed a few days ago and the swelling in his knees are down considerably and in about a week or two he can start doing training on it. Lakers will probably hold him out until they are 100% confident he can play though.

[baseline bum]

How was the 04 team a bust....one Malone injury away and they win again. They made it to the finals you know. That was the same year Kobe was flying back and forth during the playoffs during the rape trial. I was shocked they even made it. Now don't forget about Odom, he can go back to playing the role he was born to play....a good role player who rebounds, passes and runs the O.

That's garbage. Malone played the first game, and LA got their asses handed to them. He played the second, and you came one long three from losing that one too.

That series wasn't even close. Detroit blew LA out in games 1,3, and 5, won pretty convincingly in 4, and were 5 seconds from winning game 2. Saying LA wins it all in 2004 with a healthy Malone is like a Spurs fan saying a healthy Derek Anderson would been enough for the Spurs to beat LA in the '01 WCF.

[BonnerDynasty]

You guys have no excuse to not beat the Suns in the first round this year now.

[T Park]

:lol

No kidding.

I can't wait for the playoffs in the west.

Every game outside of the Spurs of course, is gonna be kick ass awesome.

[td4mvp3]

the only upside to this thing is i think it could be a good barometer for how folks, spurs included, can fare against and maybe deal with boston. kobe, gasol, odom can be a passable allen, pierce, kg.

[exstatic]

:lol:rollin
Pau Gasol is a HUGE vagina. What LA has done is add a low post version of the chronic (pun intended) underachiever Lamar Odom, coupled with an attitude like Kobe.

[Bruno]

Word is that Grizzlies will waive Brown soon.
Brown is still young, I guess that he will sign with a crappy team where he will get tons of playing time to get a new contract next summer.
however, if Brown signs with a team like Boston, it could be a pain in the ass for Spurs.

[hsxvvd]

Not to mention we have Marc Gasol as second round pick. I'm a little upset that Crittenton went...but Farmar has improved a lot.


The Grizzlies will get the Lakers' first-round draft choices in 2008 and 2010; guard Aaron McKie, signed earlier Friday for salary cap purposes; cash considerations, and the rights to Gasol's brother Marc, a 2007 second-round pick of Los Angeles.

Looks like Marc's going to take Pau's Locker in Memphis.

[The_Game]

:lol:rollin
Pau Gasol is a HUGE vagina. What LA has done is add a low post version of the chronic (pun intended) underachiever Lamar Odom, coupled with an attitude like Kobe.

quit getting your hopes up

this move is a great move. Gasol is a top 10 PF in this league......add that to bynum inside they will be a nightmare to defend

[Brutalis]

Here come all the fuckin stupid Laker fans from the sewers.

Where you been hiding this time?

Beating the shit out of the Lakers will only be that much sweeter that they have Gasol. He is a choke master much like Amare anyhow.

[DazedAndConfused]

Yup Gasol is a choker and a weak soft pussy. Keep telling yourselves that. Deep down you know this trade sucks for the rest of the WC.

[batboy]

You guys have no excuse to not beat the Suns in the first round this year now.

But I am sure the Suns already have excuses for losing.

[Capt Bringdown]

Don't tell me the Grizzlies couldn't have gotten more for Pau by dangling him in front of other teams instead of this shady back-door trade for Kwame stinkin Brown. The league should crack down on this because this shit stinks.


The story of this year is GM's trying to rebuild their former teams.
First McHale rebuilds the Celtics and now this nonsense with the Grizzlies.

As far as the league cracking down, why would they want to do that? After years of dreadful ratings with the Spurs, things are looking great for them now.
Coincidence?

[DazedAndConfused]

To be fair Jerry West is not the GM of the Grizzlies.

[duncan228]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/basketball/nba/02/01/scout.gasol/index.html

Scout's Take
Assessing how Gasol will fit in with Kobe and Lakers

By SI.com -- In the wake of the Lakers' acquisition of Pau Gasol, SI.com's Paul Forrester spoke to an NBA scout about how the one-time All-Star big man will fit with Kobe Bryant and Co.

"The Lakers are a good place for him because as a standalone franchise player, he's probably not good enough to win at a high level," the scout said. "To be able to go to a team where he doesn't shoulder the primary responsibility and he can post up and play different areas of the floor, that will probably be a good fit for Gasol. He can play in the low post, he can play in the high post and he can shoot it from mid-range, so he'll fit into the triangle offense just fine.

"While he certainly hasn't proved to be durable the last few years, the problem in Memphis was the team's change in offensive philosophy. He doesn't seem to fit the all-out running game and early offense that they've got. He's a mobile big, but he's probably better playing in the half court.

"In Memphis, they may have wanted early post-ups from a guy like Gasol; in Los Angeles, the early offense is Kobe going the length of the floor. And when Kobe is going free-throw line to free-throw line, one's ability to score in transition doesn't matter as much.

"Lakers bigs in the past have been good at following Kobe to the rim and cleaning up behind him. So it will be on Gasol as to how motivated he is to contribute the offensive rebounds and easy put-backs that bigs can contribute when they are not as involved.

"Bottom line, it's going to be up to Gasol how well he's willing to assimilate to the Lakers rather than how the Lakers assimilate to him.

"It makes the Lakers better on paper, but you can argue that there are five or six teams equipped to win the West, so it will have to play out in the matchups during the playoffs."

[Capt Bringdown]

To be fair Jerry West is not the GM of the Grizzlies.

Heh-heh, true but I wonder if he still has an influence on that team?

[JamStone]

Didn't the Lakers draft Pau's brother Marc last year as well? Did they keep his rights? I wonder

[missmyzte]

Didn't the Lakers draft Pau's brother Marc last year as well? Did they keep his rights? I wonder
He's been playing in Spain but his rights were traded to Memphis in this deal.

[JamStone]

Yeah I heard it on the ESPN halftime report after I posted that.

That's kind of weird that his rights were traded in a deal for his brother.

[TwoHandJam]

To be fair Jerry West is not the GM of the Grizzlies.
Yeah, but 7 months ago he was still president of basketball operations for the Grizzlies. I guess he thought that was the minimum amount of time he could wait without this deal looking too shady. At least the Boston deal was somewhat fair. This "deal" is just a rape.

[ambchang]

So Memphis stockpiling on busts? Darko, Brown, who's next?

[ambchang]

And no doubt Lakers made off like bandits.
What was Chicago thinking? I mean, they could have traded WAY better assets to Memphis for him. And Miami could use Gasol. The Kings for Artest, I mean, ANY team could give the Grizzlies a better deal.
This is just retarded.

[Hemotivo]

I hesitate between:

That's waht happens when your team is run by someone linked to another organization.

and

Pau Gasol is the eventual looser.
It took him NOT to play the final for Spain to win anything, finally.

Pick which one you like.
:reading

[JamStone]

Yeah, but 7 months ago he was still president of basketball operations for the Grizzlies. I guess he thought that was the minimum amount of time he could wait without this deal looking too shady. At least the Boston deal was somewhat fair. This "deal" is just a rape.

Just because Jefferson is a decent player, that doesn't make the KG deal anywhere in the vicinity of "fair." There was nothing fair about it. Saying it was a better deal than the Gasol trade is one thing. But the KG deal was not "somewhat" fair, not even remotely fair.

[hsxvvd]

It seems to me like teams would actually benefit from signing hacks to massive one year contracts and then using their contracts as trade bait. In this day of the luxury tax and the restrictions on trades, signing a Bonner type to a massive deal allows you to match salaries for All-Star types and give up nothing in return.

Can anybody explain why this wouldn't work? I understand you'd have to take a year with a dud on a big contract (well, half a year).

[1Parker1]

Damn, Kobe scored 46 tonight against the Raps in a win. Guess he's extremely happy with this trade...:lol

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Damn, Kobe scored 46 tonight against the Raps in a win. Guess he's extremely happy with this trade...:lol
:lol

I noticed that. ESPN even had the headline recap entitled "Bryant's acrobatic dunks highlight 46-point night"
He must have gotten the super-hops from pure elation.
He's not really one of those types that keep their emotions close to the vest. :lol

[Medvedenko]

He had a sweet game....controlled and abused every Raptor that came in his way...he had like 8 dunks in the game and only shot 4 FT's and still scored 46

[TwoHandJam]

Just because Jefferson is a decent player, that doesn't make the KG deal anywhere in the vicinity of "fair." There was nothing fair about it. Saying it was a better deal than the Gasol trade is one thing. But the KG deal was not "somewhat" fair, not even remotely fair.
Jefferson is averaging 21/12 at 23 years old and they got Gomes, Ratliff, Telfair and Green. How is that not "somewhat" fair? What would have been "somewhat" fair?

Sure, I think it sucks that they colluded as well but at least the deal wasn't a total sham.

[1Parker1]

Just realized...didn't Kobe score his 81 points against the Raps? 46 is nothing to him against that team I guess. :lol

[exstatic]

Yup Gasol is a choker and a weak soft pussy. Keep telling yourselves that. Deep down you know this trade sucks for the rest of the WC.
I remember Laker fan getting excited over Odom. I remember Laker fan getting excited over Kwame. You'll be hating on Gasol in a year or two, as well. He combines the laziness and malaise of Odom with a Kobe Prima Donna I wanna be traded now attitude.

[Medvedenko]

I remember Laker fan getting excited over Odom. I remember Laker fan getting excited over Kwame. You'll be hating on Gasol in a year or two, as well. He combines the laziness and malaise of Odom with a Kobe Prima Donna I wanna be traded now attitude.

I guess we'll see, however he unlike Odom, Brown has been to the all-star game and led a team (spain) to chip. So time will tell, but anyone not getting excited on getting rid of Cake hands for a guy that actually can score and rebound...please.

[slayermin]

I guess we'll see, however he unlike Odom, Brown has been to the all-star game and led a team (spain) to chip.

When did this happen?

[rascal]

I remember Laker fan getting excited over Odom. I remember Laker fan getting excited over Kwame. You'll be hating on Gasol in a year or two, as well. He combines the laziness and malaise of Odom with a Kobe Prima Donna I wanna be traded now attitude.

Your making yourself look bad.

[DazedAndConfused]

Your making yourself look bad.

Seriously, that was the most asinine post I've ever seen.

[rascal]

:lol:rollin
Pau Gasol is a HUGE vagina. What LA has done is add a low post version of the chronic (pun intended) underachiever Lamar Odom, coupled with an attitude like Kobe.

Your such a spurs homer. Take the blinders off.

The trade was good for the Lakers. Gasol is an upgrade to Kwame Brown. Recognize that and drop the sour grape attitude saying Gasol isn't any good.

[JamStone]

Jefferson is averaging 21/12 at 23 years old and they got Gomes, Ratliff, Telfair and Green. How is that not "somewhat" fair? What would have been "somewhat" fair?

Sure, I think it sucks that they colluded as well but at least the deal wasn't a total sham.


For KG?

Amare Stoudemire would have been fair. Odom and Bynum would have been almost fair. Jermaine O'Neal and a first round pick would have been "somewhat" fair. Al Jefferson and others, even though Jefferson's put up some numbers, was not fair.

[rascal]

Seriously, that was the most asinine post I've ever seen.

No, your above post is more asinine.

[exstatic]

I guess we'll see, however he unlike Odom, Brown has been to the all-star game and led a team (spain) to chip. So time will tell, but anyone not getting excited on getting rid of Cake hands for a guy that actually can score and rebound...please.
I can see the "addition by subtraction" angle, but you'd have been rid of Kwame this summer, anyway, without having to take Gasol's shitty attitude and millstone contract for the next three years. Someone called him a top 10 PF, and I agree. The problem is that he has the talent and ability to be top 3 or 4, just not the heart or desire. He's a paycheck collector, and it's a BIG fucking paycheck for a guy who will probably be your 4th option.

[DazedAndConfused]

I think what is overlooked in this deal is what Gasol will bring to the team defensively. Yes, defensively. The Lakers will be able to put out 3 7 footers on the floor. It's going to make it very difficult for teams to penetrate with Bynum and Gasol patrolling the paint. Offensive rebounding for opposing teams will also be pretty much nonexistent. Oh Kobe will also be able to guard the opposing team's best wing player without having to worry about carrying the team offensively. Will they be as good as the Spurs....no, but they don't need to be considering how good the offense will be.

[T Park]

what Gasol will bring to the team defensively


He plays as much defense as Steve Nash so try again.

[TDMVPDPOY]

the question here now

is memphis going to buy out kwame brown?

manny contenders would jump on this deal though to get brown,

yeh his crap on offense, but i dont question his defensive skills, put him in the right system, away from the media spotlight of LA and the expectations, he could do well in SA

[DazedAndConfused]

Gasol averages 8 rebounds a game and 1.4 blocks. How is that garbage?

And it's not Gasol patrolling the paint by himself, it's Gasol AND Bynum. People are not recognizing that it's the dual threat that makes the defense potent.

[slayermin]

And it's not Gasol patrolling the paint by himself, it's Gasol AND Bynum. People are not recognizing that it's the dual threat that makes the defense potent.

Yeah, Spurs fans know nothing about a twin tower defense.

[angel_luv]

I saw the news about the trade tonight at the Rodeo.

Craziness.

I wonder how Kobe and Pau will work together.
Historically, Kobe doesn't play well with others.

[magic2kb8]

Mitch acting like Jerry West.

About damn time! We're back baby!

Tell me about it...he has gone from alleged idiot to possibly gm of the year for not trading bynum throughout the kobe turmoil, and now pulling off this trade.

[magic2kb8]

I saw the news about the trade tonight at the Rodeo.

Craziness.

I wonder how Kobe and Pau will work together.
Historically, Kobe doesn't play well with others.

for the record kobe won 3 championships with someone that had to have the ball more than gasol, not to mention he lowered his shot amount and scoring average way down to allow room for malone and gary.
:bang

[LakeShow]

What a bunch of haters! Kobe has changed his game. He had the most assists of career a couple of games ago. Pau will get his shots, in the triangle if you're open, you'll get shots. Hell Kobe was even passing the ball to Kwame although, kwame dropped it damn near every time kobe passed him the ball. Didn't stop kobe from looking for his team mates. Gasol will work well with the Lakers, he's soft, so what, he will not be the focus of this team like Nowitzki is. This trade will work out fine, and Kobe will have no trouble sharing the ball.

[ATX Spur]

Holy balls!

[TDMVPDPOY]

What a bunch of haters! Kobe has changed his game. He had the most assists of career a couple of games ago. Pau will get his shots, in the triangle if you're open, you'll get shots. Hell Kobe was even passing the ball to Kwame although, kwame dropped it damn near every time kobe passed him the ball. Didn't stop kobe from looking for his team mates. Gasol will work well with the Lakers, he's soft, so what, he will not be the focus of this team like Nowitzki is. This trade will work out fine, and Kobe will have no trouble sharing the ball.

you mean there are games where he scores lights out, with below avg asst/rebs, then next game you see him padding up them 2 columns to avg them out

[LakeShow]

you mean there are games where he scores lights out, with below avg asst/rebs, then next game you see him padding up them 2 columns to avg them out

No I mean that he adjusts to the situation at hand. If his team mates aren't making anything he has to do more and he does, if the team is making shots, he gets 11 assists.

[hsxvvd]

Shaq for Gasol & Odom, actually looks pretty good right now.

[slayermin]

for the record kobe won 3 championships with someone that had to have the ball more than gasol, not to mention he lowered his shot amount and scoring average way down to allow room for malone and gary.
:bang

Shaq had to have the ball more because he was better than Kobe. Gasol ain't Shaq. And neither is Bynum.

[popshark86]

ron artest

[hsxvvd]

ron artest

?

[KidCongo]

ron artest

Lamar for Ron Ron?

[mikekim]

wtf man...i'm more pissed at memphis than anything...

[TDMVPDPOY]

they basically got rid of him for low draft picks, fuck that...

[polandprzem]

It doesn't change the situation too much. The Lakers just moved ahead and can claim top 3 spots i the West (spurs -when playing up the potential, and the mavs).

[venitian navigator]

If this is a jerry west stuff, I think the Memphis management (if not the NBA) should seriously wonder if it's still the case to keep him in contact with some other nba organization that's not the lakers.
Vox populi is It's not the first time he makes questionable decisions ...look at the deal with Cardinal (excessivly over his market value).

However, you can't trade your legitimate and YOUNG star for expiring contracts and low prospects and draft picks... and, in any case, you can't choose the worst offer you receive for him (look at Chicago, for example).
That's, simply, not professional...

The Gasol value was far, far over what Memphis received...
Now, everything can happen (Pau Gasol may get injured, his young brother or Crittenton became future nba stars, the low choices become some "diamond in the rough" player) but the point is that, considering the actual nba market value, Memphis got completely and completely screwed... and if I'm a manager of the other 29 teams (obviously Lakers included) a second after the transaction I feel legitimate to tease and lough in the face of Memphis management for years and years to come...

[polandprzem]

ahhh yea, get ready to lose the boards 50-22 evey game we play the Lakers

[wildchild]

Lakers contenders? c'mon guys. Gasol is a maniac depressive.
He didn't impress me in his years in Memphis.Yeah in Lakers he could be better...and who he would become?.
Gasol isn't KG.
And when Kobe has a 60 offensive options and Gasol 15 balls in O, the "Gasol soft in head" turn up.
Gasol's addition should to improve Lakers? Yes. They are contenders for this addition? NO

[The_Game]

Lakers contenders? c'mon guys. Gasol is a maniac depressive.
He didn't impress me in his years in Memphis.Yeah in Lakers he could be better...and who he would become?.
Gasol isn't KG.
And when Kobe has a 60 offensive options and Gasol 15 balls in O, the "Gasol soft in head" turn up.
Gasol's addition should to improve Lakers? Yes. They are contenders for this addition? NO

Of course they freaking are

Gasol is a 19 and 9 player, you add bynum coming back along with the best player on the planet in Kobe....plus good role players they are one of the favourites now. Lakers now have two 7 footers in their frontline along with a 6'10 Odom at the 3 spot. They have great size and will be a nightmare on the boards and in the paint.

Spurs need to make a move otherwise this team is screwed. Same does for suns and dallas too i suppose.

[Emeyin]

We are in trouble. :depressed

[wildchild]

Of course they freaking are

Gasol is a 19 and 9 player, you add bynum coming back along with the best player on the planet in Kobe....plus good role players they are one of the favourites now. Lakers now have two 7 footers in their frontline along with a 6'10 Odom at the 3 spot. They have great size and will be a nightmare on the boards and in the paint.

Spurs need to make a move otherwise this team is screwed. Same does for suns and dallas too i suppose.

Don't worry about it. Duncan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gasol Tony>>>>>>>>>>>>>Farmar/Fisher and other pg Bruce's Solid D> Kobe and Manu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Odom/Walton and other guys.

WHAT'S THE F....PROBLEM?

BELIEVE!

[MONTENEGRINO]

Wooow! Is LAL now serious contender?! I guess they are... Bravo.

[pku47]

As for Mike Miller, who many expect to be the next high-salaried Memphis player to be moved (he makes $8.2 million this season and $18.8 over the next two), Wallace acknowledged there was plenty of interest but cautioned: "I'm not trading him for nothing. I can see us going forward with him."

link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=3226776)

[The_Game]

Don't worry about it. Duncan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gasol Tony>>>>>>>>>>>>>Farmar/Fisher and other pg Bruce's Solid D> Kobe and Manu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Odom/Walton and other guys.

WHAT'S THE F....PROBLEM?

BELIEVE!

Did you just say Bruce soild D makes him better than Kobe? get out of here. Bruce is not the defender he was and even he has never stopped Kobe.

Fact is Kobe is better than Duncan and Kobe's team has far more depth. Spurs have the main 3 and then complete trash. Thats the difference.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

This the Spurs best lineup:

Parker
Manu
Bowen
Duncan
Oberto



how the hell does that match up with


Fisher
Kobe
Odom
Gasol
Bynum


Spurs only win the PG/PF spot, Spurs NEED to make a splash

[TDMVPDPOY]

As for Mike Miller, who many expect to be the next high-salaried Memphis player to be moved (he makes $8.2 million this season and $18.8 over the next two), Wallace acknowledged there was plenty of interest but cautioned: "I'm not trading him for nothing. I can see us going forward with him."

link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=3226776)

Then wouldnt that make the gasol trade more a conspiracy?

so they wont be trading miller for nothing, but gasol who is better than miller, got traded for peanuts?

the gasol trade was a load of bullshit, and his comments about miller is horseshit, hello MR.ED

THAT trade made no sense at all, critenton is a fukn scrub

and 2 first rounders which will be in the range of 20-30th picks

there pretty low picks

[hsxvvd]

I sure hope somebody bumps this thread when we, Dallas, Phoenix of even Utah knock the Lakers out of the playoffs.

So many freakin doomsday posts! It's Pau Fucking Gasol! He has one of the worst W-L records of any active player in the league.

[amy020]

oh no

[Streakyshooter08]

The Lakers were already a good team before the trade. They give up nearly nothing an get a player who is capable of putting up 19/9 every single night. It does not matter if he is not clutch or had a bad record with his former team. He now has Kobe, Odom and Bynum next to him. Not to forget Fisher who is a good point guard. They still have Turiaf and Farmar comming off the bench and a good coach. I am not saying that they already won the title or that they are unbeatable. But they are certainly better than before and a tough team to beat. The Spurs will have to play their best if they want to beat them in the playoffs.

That said, I think Phoenix will have a hard time to beat the Lakers now. That HUGE frontline of Bynum, Gasol and Odom will give them trouble especially rebounding wise.

It will be interesting to see how it will work out on the court.

[hsxvvd]

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2006/0901/oly_a_gasol2_195.jpg

"Kobe we have a delivery for you!"

[duncan228]

The local beat writer thinks they're contenders now and later.
Some of this was on line yesterday, the rest is new.

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/lakers-gasol-bryant-1972510-jackson-memphis

Gasol's arrival makes Lakers contenders now and later
Trading for 2006 All-Star Pau Gasol without having to surrender any core pieces lifts the Lakers into realistic championship pursuit and pleases Kobe Bryant, who scored 46 points against Toronto in a 121-101 victory.

By KEVIN DING
The Orange County Register

TORONTO — Kobe Bryant need wait no longer for the Lakers' bold move for championship immediacy.

Power forward Pau Gasol, a 2006 All-Star, arrived in trade Friday from the Memphis Grizzlies with a second-round pick for Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton and two future first-round draft picks. It is a deal that catapults the Lakers into championship contention both now and later.

And it moved Bryant to offer his strongest affirmation about perhaps again staying a Laker for life.

"It shows a level of commitment that I questioned over the summer," said Bryant, whose 46 points led the short-handed Lakers to a 121-101 victory Friday over the Toronto Raptors. "I have to take my hat off to (Jerry) Buss and Mitch (Kupchak) for going forward with this. Now it's on us."

The 7-foot Gasol, 27, has averaged 19 points and 9 rebounds amid rampant trade speculation once Memphis concluded he could not anchor its rebuilding team. The Lakers expect by sometime in March — they insist Andrew Bynum's knee injury should not cost him the rest of this season — to plug Gasol into a skyscraping, skilled frontcourt with Bynum and Lamar Odom. That would give them three top-shelf interior players — all 6-foot-10 or taller — to go with Bryant.

"It's amazing to be on a team full of history as the Lakers," Gasol said on his Web site. "But not only because of their past, mainly because of the present: playing along with Kobe Bryant is a privilege, which is not easy for most of the players in this league. And there will be lots of opportunities to be in the playoffs and do great things in this league, as I always wished … winning and fighting."

If Gasol, tournament MVP when Spain won the 2006 FIBA World Championship, helps the Lakers make a renewed push in the Western Conference, Buss and Kupchak might have just helped Bryant secure his first NBA MVP trophy, too.

"Now it's just time to put the work in," Bryant said, "and work on the chemistry."

Said Toronto All-Star Chris Bosh of the refashioned Lakers: "They will be tough to match."

Lakers coach Phil Jackson welcomed Gasol by leaving a playful voice message with some spotty spoken Spanish. But Jackson already issued a few public caveats about the success of the deal hinging on Gasol firming up his fundamental defense.

The Lakers lose some defense but little else in the mistake- and injury-prone Brown, whose expiring $9.1 million contract provides salary-cap relief to Memphis. The 13-33 Grizzlies, who saw Jerry West retire after last season and replaced him with Chris Wallace, wanted out from under the remaining $63.1 million over four years of Gasol's contract (counting this season). Crittenton, the Lakers' 2007 No. 1 pick, has huge upside but no spot in Jackson's rotation — and the Lakers already have a point guard of the future in Jordan Farmar.

The Lakers also gave up cash and protected first-round picks in 2008 and '10 but get back Memphis' 2010 second-rounder. They included Aaron McKie, who re-signed to help the salaries match, and the draft rights to 2007 second-round pick Marc Gasol, Pau's younger brother.

Jackson said there was discussion about Pau Gasol for about a year — meaning former Lakers executive West was at least aware of such a scenario before leaving Memphis — with trade talks intensifying in recent weeks. And now the Lakers have three of the NBA's 27 highest-salaried players in Bryant ($19.5 million, ninth), Gasol ($13.7 million, 25th) and Odom ($13.3 million, 27th) — with Bynum set to ascend with a big-time salary in 2009-10 once he gets his hefty extension this summer.

In sharp contrast to the rejected-by-Minnesota offseason proposal of Bynum and Odom for Kevin Garnett, the Lakers didn't have to yield any core pieces. Even if Odom doesn't have the ideal quickness to defend opposing small forwards, the Lakers still have Luke Walton and Trevor Ariza or Bryant to pick up that burden. The depth is evident in Farmar and Sasha Vujacic remaining potent backup guards for Derek Fisher and Bryant, and Ronny Turiaf, Vladimir Radmanovic and Chris Mihm offering other options inside.

"We can do multiple things with this team," Jackson said.

Although the Lakers could have chased available New Jersey point guard Jason Kidd, he turns 35 next month and doesn't play as great of a need position. Jackson said after he agreed to his contract extension in December that the missing piece was an inside force. Gasol isn't necessarily the most physical big man, but he is a big man who can be physical — and fill in for Bynum now.

There is an outside chance that all three active players in the trade pass physicals in time for Gasol to play Sunday in Washington. Gasol has missed time lately with a sore back, but that shouldn't be a major problem.

The 2002 NBA Rookie of the Year, Gasol has a gentle, ambidextrous touch around the basket and a mid-range jumper ideal for the power-forward slot in the triangle offense. He is adept as a shot blocker, having averaged 1.8 blocks per game for his NBA career — which includes an 0-12 postseason record. Gasol is not considered a clutch player and will be willing to defer to Bryant.

"He's extremely talented," Bryant said.

The move goes a long way toward ending talk of Bryant wanting to be traded. Even though some of his issues with individuals in the organization remain, Bryant's desire to win more championships stands at the fore. Asked if the trade helps ensure Bryant won't opt out of his contract after next season, he said: "It doesn't hurt, absolutely not."

[duncan228]

Obviously, it's the BIG headline in my paper today, I just re-read it.
This stood out. :)


Jackson said there was discussion about Pau Gasol for about a year — meaning former Lakers executive West was at least aware of such a scenario before leaving Memphis — with trade talks intensifying in recent weeks.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

apparently the Nuggs are close to making a big trade as well. All i heard was that it was for someone who will make their future brighter without giving up anyone significant

Im hearing Artest for a package Linas Kleiza/Najera but im not too keen on Artest, especially for the future lol

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

apparently the Nuggs are close to making a big trade as well. All i heard was that it was for someone who will make their future brighter without giving up anyone significant

Im hearing Artest for a package Linas Kleiza/Najera but im not too keen on Artest, especially for the future lol
What about Cassell? (http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/50661/20080202/source_nuggets_covet_cassell/)

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

:lol id love Cassell on the Nuggets but he certainly doesnt make the future bright, unless he has a potion from his home planet that can make himself and camby 21 again :smokin

[Hemotivo]

:lol

[rascal]

They were never willing to take back a contract with years left on it before.

With the next cap space scheme taking place 2 1/2 seasons from now, they can do that now.

Thats the dumb strategy that ties them up and the best they can do is get a weak c like Rasho.

If there is a good trade available for an impact all star cailber player even with years remaining on his contract they need to make it because it is a sure thing, instead of waiting for the uncertainty that free agency is.

[T Park]

Thats the dumb strategy that ties them up and the best they can do is get a weak c like Rasho.



as opposed to trading for Shaq at the time right? :lmao

[kobe_bryant]

Buss stepped up his game. watch out western conference

[Obstructed_View]

Buss stepped up his game. watch out western conference
:lol Yeah, okay. The only thing the Lakers were missing was a soft power forward who doesn't make his team better and doesn't show up in big games.

[daslicer]

:lol Yeah, okay. The only thing the Lakers were missing was a soft power forward who doesn't make his team better and doesn't show up in big games.

He's Hedo Turkoglu part 2 except he's slightly taller and plays the PF.

[Obstructed_View]

He's Hedo Turkoglu part 2 except he's slightly taller and plays the PF.
And he doesn't shoot threes and he's not clutch even in meaningless games.

[MajicMan]

And he doesn't shoot threes and he's not clutch even in meaningless games.
And he doesn't shave and looks like a girl but I'm still happy to have him on my team.

[The_Game]

:lol Yeah, okay. The only thing the Lakers were missing was a soft power forward who doesn't make his team better and doesn't show up in big games.

soft or not he is a low post threat who can give L.A 19 and 9 with a few blocks. You are in denial if you think this doesn't make the lakers one of the favourites. looking at our supporting cast in the frontcourt apart from duncan is embarrassing.

[LA24]

And he doesn't shoot threes...

...and Duncan does ? :lol

[LA24]

He's Hedo Turkoglu part 2 except he's slightly taller and plays the PF.

Okay, it's getting comedic now. :rollin

[daslicer]

Okay, it's getting comedic now. :rollin

You know its the truth Hedo puts up the same numbers Gasol puts up. He's averaged nearly 20 points and 7 rebounds a game. They pretty much have the same pedigree both are good regular season players and can win you a lot of games but are soft come playoff time.

[DazedAndConfused]

You know its the truth Hedo puts up the same numbers Gasol puts up. He's averaged nearly 20 points and 7 rebounds a game. They pretty much have the same pedigree both are good regular season players and can win you a lot of games but are soft come playoff time.

Seriously Spurs fans are in complete denial now. You know they are scared shitless when they start comparing Hedo to Pau.

[wildchild]

This the Spurs best lineup:

Parker
Manu
Bowen
Duncan
Oberto



how the hell does that match up with


Fisher
Kobe
Odom
Gasol
Bynum


Spurs only win the PG/PF spot, Spurs NEED to make a splash

discuss offensive or D? Odom Gasol Bynum Fisher play good D?. Are you kidding me? :rolleyes


Bruce is not the defender he was and even he has never stopped Kobe

How many Lakers-Spurs do you see? never stopped Kobe??? :rolleyes

[The_Game]

discuss offensive or D? Odom Gasol Bynum Fisher play good D?. Are you kidding me? :rolleyes



How many Lakers-Spurs do you see? never stopped Kobe??? :rolleyes

He's contained him a few times but never stopped Kobe. He is not a guy you can stop. he's the best player in the world for a reason.

[daslicer]

Seriously Spurs fans are in complete denial now. You know they are scared shitless when they start comparing Hedo to Pau.

The only one that is in denial is you and its been proven you are myopian in here when it comes to examining your team objectively. You are the same guy that claimed that a combinationn of Shaq,Kobe,Fox,Dfish,Horry was more talented then Parker,Bowen,Ginobilli,Jax,Duncan,Speedy,Drob.Any objective fan would have been able to say that the second group is more talented then the first considering the second had 4 all-star calibur players while the first group only has 2.

Really whats the difference other then one being taller then other they both have similar stats both are euros who are good at playing regular season games but choke come playoff time. And for those who defend Gasol by saying he played on POS team your right the Grizzlies were a POS however they should have been able to win atleast a few games in the first round without getting swept every time. That says a lot of about Pau that he didn't have enough heart to even show up for one game.

Also the dude is sh1tty rebounder when it counts I remember watching the mofo in '06 hoping he could atleast grab one game from mavs only to see him concede towards the end of game 4 letting Eric Dampier grab 4 offensive rebounds in a row leading to Dirk hitting the 3 to send the game in OT.

[rascal]

The only one that is in denial is you and its been proven you are myopian in here when it comes to examining your team objectively. You are the same guy that claimed that a combinationn of Shaq,Kobe,Fox,Dfish,Horry was more talented then Parker,Bowen,Ginobilli,Jax,Duncan,Speedy,Drob.Any objective fan would have been able to say that the second group is more talented then the first considering the second had 4 all-star calibur players while the first group only has 2.

Really whats the difference other then one being taller then other they both have similar stats both are euros who are good at playing regular season games but choke come playoff time. And for those who defend Gasol by saying he played on POS team your right the Grizzlies were a POS however they should have been able to win atleast a few games in the first round without getting swept every time. That says a lot of about Pau that he didn't have enough heart to even show up for one game.

Also the dude is sh1tty rebounder when it counts I remember watching the mofo in '06 hoping he could atleast grab one game from mavs only to see him concede towards the end of game 4 letting Eric Dampier grab 4 offensive rebounds in a row leading to Dirk hitting the 3 to send the game in OT.

Some Spur fans are really sickening and make it look bad for the rest of the spur fans who are fair minded.


Stop it now. Answer me this. Is Gasol better than Kwame Brown? If you say no your a bias homer fool, if you say yes then the Lakers got better and just accept it.

[ajh18]

The Spurs just need to get the system working again. We have never been the most talented team man for man. But we've had players who mesh the most effectively. Teams have to have both talent and chemistry to win. I think the spurs have always relied more heavily on the later.

Look how the Lakers this year have given the Suns fits. It certainly hasn't been because of talent, if you compare their starting lineups. Hell, on a man-to-man basis, Phoenix was probably more talented than we were last year.

The Lakers now have the talent to win the title. Question is, how much chemistry will their team have, and will it be enough? We'll have to see.

[LA24]

You know its the truth Hedo puts up the same numbers Gasol puts up.

Numbers don't tell the whole story. Horry is the perfect example of that.
You should know that. (But apparently you don't.)

Be honest, who would you rather have on your team Gasol or Hedo ?
(Spare me the answer though...cuz I have a feeling it's going to be a lie.)

[ducks]

laker should trade odom for someone else
there is a logjam now once everyone gets healthy

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Spurs should have done this trade, then the Spurs future would have been fucking set for the next 4 years

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Spurs should have done this trade,
The problem was we didn't have Kwame Brown nor Javaris Crittenton.

[batboy]

This the Spurs best lineup:

Parker
Manu
Bowen
Duncan
Oberto



how the hell does that match up with


Fisher
Kobe
Odom
Gasol
Bynum


Spurs only win the PG/PF spot, Spurs NEED to make a splash


Iverson
Anthony
Smith
Martin
Camby


OMG RUN FOR THE HILLS LOOK AT THAT NUGGETS LINEUP


Can the faint of heart please STFU now?

[Obstructed_View]

...and Duncan does ? :lol
Comparison was to Hedo. What conversation are you following?

[Obstructed_View]

soft or not he is a low post threat who can give L.A 19 and 9 with a few blocks. You are in denial if you think this doesn't make the lakers one of the favourites. looking at our supporting cast in the frontcourt apart from duncan is embarrassing.
Pau wouldn't average 19 and 9 with the Lakers if Bynum stepped in front of a bus tomorrow. Of course you think Pau Gasol is a low post threat. Only to teams that don't play defense. The only thing he's likely to do is keep shots from Kobe and be an improvement on Kwame Brown.

[LA24]

Comparison was to Hedo. What conversation are you following?
:rolleyes :bang

Your point was that at least Hedo could shoot threes compared to Pau.

My point was, so what if Pau couldn't shoot threes...neither can Duncan.

Comprende retardo ?

[MajicMan]

Pau wouldn't average 19 and 9 with the Lakers if Bynum stepped in front of a bus tomorrow. Of course you think Pau Gasol is a low post threat. Only to teams that don't play defense. The only thing he's likely to do is keep shots from Kobe and be an improvement on Kwame Brown.
Man, just shut the fuck up already.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lmao

[Obstructed_View]

:rolleyes :bang

Your point was that at least Hedo could shoot threes compared to Pau.

My point was, so what if Pau couldn't shoot threes...neither can Duncan.

Comprende retardo ?
Duncan doesn't shoot threes because he's one of the top low-post scorers of all time. What does that have to do with Pau Gasol or Hedo Turkoglu?


Man, just shut the fuck up already.
What's the matter, pussy? Angry because Spurs fans aren't shaking in their boots because you mortgaged your future to get a stat-padding hasbeen who's soft as tissue paper? If you didn't want a big Goddamn dose of reality, Spurstalk probably wasn't the place to come and crow about your parade plans.

[MajicMan]

Duncan doesn't shoot threes because he's one of the top low-post scorers of all time. What does that have to do with Pau Gasol or Hedo Turkoglu?


What's the matter, pussy? Angry because Spurs fans aren't shaking in their boots because you mortgaged your future to get a stat-padding hasbeen who's soft as tissue paper? If you didn't want a big Goddamn dose of reality, Spurstalk probably wasn't the place to come and crow about your parade plans.
Two late first round picks, two scrubs, and the rights to Pau's brother? That's mortgaging our future? We didn't give up any core players. Most non retarded objective people would say that's a steal. I never crowed about anything on here stupid. You're just an angry irrational fucktard. That's your problem not mine.

[DazedAndConfused]

He's just mad the Spurs can't tank another season to get the #1 pick in the draft again. How dare any Spurs fan call foul when their franchise did something far more egregious to get Time Duncan. Hell even Barkley called you guys out for that.

[Obstructed_View]

Two late first round picks, two scrubs, and the rights to Pau's brother? That's mortgaging our future? We didn't give up any core players. Most non retarded objective people would say that's a steal. I never crowed about anything on here stupid. You're just an angry irrational fucktard. That's your problem not mine.
Unless those picks are lottery protected, suggesting they are late first round picks is a little cocky. Calling the 19th pick in this year's draft a scrub is premature at best. Any trade that gets rid of Kwame Brown could be regarded as a steal, as the Wizards will gladly tell you every time Caron Butler laces them up. It's certainly good damage control and will likely allow the Lakers to re-sign Kobe, so it goes on the list of best trades ever the moment Kobe's name is on that contract.

[LA24]

Duncan doesn't shoot threes because he's one of the top low-post scorers of all time. What does that have to do with Pau Gasol or Hedo Turkoglu?

You are a bit slow up there aren't ya ?

[Obstructed_View]

He's just mad the Spurs can't tank another season to get the #1 pick in the draft again. How dare any Spurs fan call foul when their franchise did something far more egregious to get Time Duncan. Hell even Barkley called you guys out for that.
Who's calling foul? Nobody did anything wrong in acquiring Pau. If I'm the Lakers I make that trade every time and twice on Sunday. I just don't think Pau Gasol is Kevin Garnett, as many of you are wishing.

If you guys don't want to hear opinions from Spurs fans about the Pau Gasol trade, maybe you should start a new thread in the NBA forum.

[Obstructed_View]

You are a bit slow up there aren't ya ?
No, you just haven't made any sense yet. We were comparing a soft guy who plays for Orlando to a soft guy who got traded to the Lakers, and you decided to mention Duncan's lack of three point prowess and have yet to explain how that's relevant to the conversation. Congratulations on at least making sure your post was basketball related.

[MajicMan]

Unless those picks are lottery protected, suggesting they are late first round picks is a little cocky. Calling the 19th pick in this year's draft a scrub is premature at best. Any trade that gets rid of Kwame Brown could be regarded as a steal, as the Wizards will gladly tell you every time Caron Butler laces them up. It's certainly good damage control and will likely allow the Lakers to re-sign Kobe, so it goes on the list of best trades ever the moment Kobe's name is on that contract.
Last time I respond to any of your posts. I'm not playing any of your little games here because we all know you're a fucken low life no life Spurs troll homer. Only anyone with as low a level of intelligence as you would even waste their time continuing responding to the crap you post. Talk all the shit you want. I could care less. Enjoy yourself, knock yourself out. Do whatever gives you a hard on. You're still a lifeless loser.

[LA24]

No, you just haven't made any sense yet. We were comparing a soft guy who plays for Orlando to a soft guy who got traded to the Lakers, and you decided to mention Duncan's lack of three point prowess and have yet to explain how that's relevant to the conversation. Congratulations on at least making sure your post was basketball related.

Yup, you are indeed slow up there.

[duncan228]

Obstructed_View, can I do it for you?

:bang

[Obstructed_View]

Last time I respond to any of your posts.
Promises, promises.


I'm not playing any of your little games here because we all know you're a fucken low life no life Spurs troll homer.
The discussion is in a Spurs forum on a website called "Spurstalk", and I'm the troll with no life. :lol

[T Park]

WTF, when did the Laker trolls dust off their key boards from 04???

[Obstructed_View]

Obstructed_View, can I do it for you?

:bang :lol
Hey, if they come to me, it's not really trolling. If nothing else, I've got plausible deniability for it. They want validation from Spurs fans because they got Pau Gasol. It's a good trade, but it ain't that good.

[Obstructed_View]

WTF, when did the Laker trolls dust off their key boards from 04???
When they thought people forgot that they gave up Caron Butler to get Kwame Brown in the first place.

[T Park]

Yeah I said at the time that was a bad trade.

Now the guy is a multi time all star :lmao

NICE ONE!!

[Medvedenko]

:lol
Hey, if they come to me, it's not really trolling. If nothing else, I've got plausible deniability for it. They want validation from Spurs fans because they got Pau Gasol. It's a good trade, but it ain't that good.

Hey OV, I know we battled in the past....but what constitutes as a good trade in your book.....

The Scola Trade....letting Beno walk......

No matter how you slice it.....trading Kwame Stone hands for Pau is about as good as a trade you'll ever see.

[2120vision]

WTF, when did the Laker trolls dust off their key boards from 04???



They're baaaaack......

[alamo50]

I guess Jerry West ain't over at Memphis anymore?

[Obstructed_View]

Hey OV, I know we battled in the past....but what constitutes as a good trade in your book.....

The Scola Trade....letting Beno walk......

No matter how you slice it.....trading Kwame Stone hands for Pau is about as good as a trade you'll ever see.
Just to remind you. I called it a good trade in the post that you quoted. I certainly hope that I never said it wasn't a good trade, because I think it is. You guys are perfectly justified in being excited. It's a definite step up in talent, and the swap of Kwame for Pau increases the Lakers' chances immeasurably for this season, but might hamstring them later. For that reason I don't agree that it was a completely lop-sided trade. It's certainly not one of the best trades in history and I personally don't believe it suddenly makes the Lakers a championship contender. Maybe I'm completely wrong. It certainly wouldn't be the first time. It'd be nice to see Pau actually play in a couple of games before we judge this the greatest trade ever. Pau could turn back into a 20 and 10 guy and be one of the top front lines of all time with a devloping Bynum and Kobe to clean up the rest. Pau may also turn out to be a three year underachieving salary anchor who fails to improve the team, while the player the Lakers traded and the first round draft picks turn into guys who can play. It's not so great then. Again, time will tell. Getting rid of Kwame was great, but wasn't he going to walk this summer anyway?

It says something about the quality of the trade when you have to compare it to the Scola or Beno trade. All three transactions are similar in that you have to give something up to make up for a previous mistake. The Lakers did just that, and they probably came out better than the Spurs did on either of their trades, particularly for the short term. Vince Carter was revived for a few months when he went to New Jersey. Maybe Pau will find his mojo again since he's got something to play for.

[DazedAndConfused]

Only time will tell

[himat]

No, you just haven't made any sense yet. We were comparing a soft guy who plays for Orlando to a soft guy who got traded to the Lakers, and you decided to mention Duncan's lack of three point prowess and have yet to explain how that's relevant to the conversation. Congratulations on at least making sure your post was basketball related.

Pau is softer than Hedo, Hedo is the **** this season.

[td4mvp21]

Last time I respond to any of your posts. I'm not playing any of your little games here because we all know you're a fucken low life no life Spurs troll homer. Only anyone with as low a level of intelligence as you would even waste their time continuing responding to the crap you post. Talk all the shit you want. I could care less. Enjoy yourself, knock yourself out. Do whatever gives you a hard on. You're still a lifeless loser.

Sounds more like you're the troll, considering you're on a Spurs board pimping your Lakers. What he said isn't off base. IF you came in here and expected us to act scared of the Lakers and agree with you guys that you will win the championship, you're a fucking dumbass. There is tons of basketball to be played, we are the defending champs, and we won't concede anything until it happens. If you don't like what you read, then don't come here? It's not that hard to understand.

[Obstructed_View]

Pau is softer than Hedo, Hedo is the **** this season.
This ain't his first great regular season, Poncho. If he doesn't shrink in the playoffs this year, it WILL be the first time.

[DazedAndConfused]

This ain't his first great regular season, Poncho. If he doesn't shrink in the playoffs this year, it WILL be the first time.

Will it matter? He'll be the 3rd or 4th option on the offense. The spotlight won't be on him to perform, it will be on Kobe. You can't compare the circumstances in Memphis to what they will be like in LA. Totally different team, totally different role.

[picnroll]

If Gasol is the third or fourth option on offense what's he bringing, his defense and rebounding?

[DazedAndConfused]

That's the beauty of the triangle offense, it's an equal opportunity system. Everyone is gonna get looks. Pau just adds another threat that teams are gonna have to cover.

They can't sag off him like they do to Luke Walton and Kwame Brown. We will now have legitimate offensive threats at every position. Kobe and Bynum can't be double teamed so easily. Cmon, do I really have to explain why this is a good thing to you people?

[picnroll]

Gasol is a good pickup no doubt. But haven't been this many Laker fleas infesting the board since Payton and Malone. How's that chronically bad back of Gasol holding up?

[Nikos]

Gasol is kind of like the Ginobili of PF's. Very productive and efficient, but not really considered an elite player. Difference is Gasol was the leader of some decent teams, Ginobili has been an excellent 2nd/3rd fiddle on championship teams.

I think Gasol has the goods to be an excellent 2nd/3rd man on a championship calibur team. He is an excellent offensive player. Defense isn't anything special but it won't matter much if Bynum is healthy come playoff time. (Kind of like Ginobili not needing to be an excellent defender man to man for the Spurs).

[missmyzte]

Unless those picks are lottery protected, suggesting they are late first round picks is a little cocky.
2008 is Top 3 protected and 2010 is Top 6 protected, if I remember correctly.
But it makes little difference, Lakers won't be lottery any time soon.


Any trade that gets rid of Kwame Brown could be regarded as a steal, as the Wizards will gladly tell you every time Caron Butler laces them up.NO KIDDING. I understood the Caron Butler trade, we were overloaded at his position, but we got Kwame Brown??? Blah!

[Obstructed_View]

Will it matter? He'll be the 3rd or 4th option on the offense. The spotlight won't be on him to perform, it will be on Kobe. You can't compare the circumstances in Memphis to what they will be like in LA. Totally different team, totally different role.
Ask the Spurs if Hedo's shrinkage mattered. Weren't you watching that series? Surely you were a Lakers fan that recently.

[Obstructed_View]

Gasol is kind of like the Ginobili of PF's. Very productive and efficient, but not really considered an elite player. Difference is Gasol was the leader of some decent teams, Ginobili has been an excellent 2nd/3rd fiddle on championship teams.
That's the dumbest thing anyone has said in this thread. They are exact opposites. Gasol puts up decent numbers and, unless I'm mistaken, has never even won a playoff game. Ginobili doesn't put up numbers until the game, the series, or the championship is on the line.

[Nikos]

That's the dumbest thing anyone has said in this thread. They are exact opposites. Gasol puts up decent numbers and, unless I'm mistaken, has never even won a playoff game. Ginobili doesn't put up numbers until the game, the series, or the championship is on the line.

Ginobili would not be a considered a "champion" at the NBA level if he had to lead a team with the same talent as Gasol.

Stylistically they are not similiar, but they are on a similiar level in terms of talent, effectiveness, and statistical production.

[Rummpd]

Except Manu has taken over many games in the clutch and Gasol has not.

[Obstructed_View]

Ginobili would not be a considered a "champion" at the NBA level if he had to lead a team with the same talent as Gasol.

Stylistically they are not similiar, but they are on a similiar level in terms of talent, effectiveness, and statistical production.
They are exactly the same, other than the fact that Manu is one of the top clutch performers in basketball history, who has won everywhere he's ever been, while the only thing Pau has ever won happened while he was sitting on the sideline in street clothes.

The only things they have in common are race and profession.

[picnroll]

Gasol is kind of like the Ginobili of PF's. Very productive and efficient, but not really considered an elite player. Difference is Gasol was the leader of some decent teams, Ginobili has been an excellent 2nd/3rd fiddle on championship teams.

I think Gasol has the goods to be an excellent 2nd/3rd man on a championship calibur team. He is an excellent offensive player. Defense isn't anything special but it won't matter much if Bynum is healthy come playoff time. (Kind of like Ginobili not needing to be an excellent defender man to man for the Spurs).
Are you drunk?

[DazedAndConfused]

They are exactly the same, other than the fact that Manu is one of the top clutch performers in basketball history, who has won everywhere he's ever been, while the only thing Pau has ever won happened while he was sitting on the sideline in street clothes.

The only things they have in common are race and profession.

Embarrassing. The lack of knowledge and downright stupidity from Spurs fans is disgraceful. If you guys were able to pick Gasol up you'd be singing from the rooftops about what a great trade you made.

Gasol has indeed won in his career, just not with the Grizzlies (which is the only NBA team he's played for). He led the Spanish national team to the FIBA championship and was their goto man in the clutch. The things you criticize him for, being soft and not a clutch guy, aren't going to matter on the Lakers. He goes from being THE man to the 2nd or 3rd option behind Kobe and Bynum. It is the perfect role for him.

Gasol is one of the best PF's in the NBA today. You don't average 19/9 shooting 50% from the field with 1.8 bpg by being a scrub. Those are star caliber numbers any way you slice it. Is Gasol a defensive monster......no but he is adequate and is able to make up for those deficiencies with his length. Offensively he is extremely gifted (great passer, good midrange shot, quick for a 7 footer, and developed back to the basket game). He is an extremely well rounded player and you wish you were able to pickup a guy like him. Fucking haters.

[Obstructed_View]

Gasol has indeed won in his career, just not with the Grizzlies (which is the only NBA team he's played for). He led the Spanish national team to the FIBA championship and was their goto man in the clutch.
Um, maybe you are thinking goto man in the crutch, since he was injured and didn't even suit up for the championship game. Embarrassing. The lack of knowledge and downright stupidity from Lakers fans is disgraceful.

[ChumpDumper]

Ouch. That was severe ownage.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/marty_burns/09/05/gasol/p1_gasol1.jpg

To be fair, he is technically leading his teammates since his feet are in front of them.

[DazedAndConfused]

Go rewatch the tournament. Other than the championship game where he broke his foot he was their goto player.

[ChumpDumper]

How many games do you want us to watch?

[Obstructed_View]

Go rewatch the tournament. Other than the championship game where he broke his foot he was their goto player.
You said he led them to the championship and was their goto man in the clutch, when he didn't even play in the championship game. How many times do I have to re-watch that game before he appears anywhere but in a wheelchair on the sideline?

[DazedAndConfused]

You act as if Gasol's ability to hit a game winning 4th quarter shot is what is going to determine the Laker's success in the playoffs. Do you realize how asinine that sounds?

[Obstructed_View]

You act as if Gasol's ability to hit a game winning 4th quarter shot is what is going to determine the Laker's success in the playoffs. Do you realize how asinine that sounds?
First of all, you've been suggesting that Pau is somehow going to be the missing key to a Lakers championship run. You also said he was Spain's go-to guy in the clutch when he wasn't, and now you are basically agreeing that he's soft and not clutch. You've pretty much got the market cornered on asinine statements in this thread.

I know the sentiment in Lakerland is that the rest of the west is shitting bricks in fear, but it's just not the case. Pau's got loads of talent, and it was a good trade, but nobody from the Grizzlies' division is going to be scared of the Lakers because they suddenly traded for him. The Lakers are capable of surprising someone in the playoffs if they are playing well at the right time. They looked that way to me a week ago, too.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

First of all, you've been suggesting that Pau is somehow going to be the missing key to a Lakers championship run. You also said he was Spain's go-to guy in the clutch when he wasn't, and now you are basically agreeing that he's soft and not clutch. You've pretty much got the market cornered on asinine statements in this thread.

I know the sentiment in Lakerland is that the rest of the west is shitting bricks in fear, but it's just not the case. Pau's got loads of talent, and it was a good trade, but nobody from the Grizzlies' division is going to be scared of the Lakers because they suddenly traded for him. The Lakers are capable of surprising someone in the playoffs if they are playing well at the right time. They looked that way to me a week ago, too.

Now where'd I put that bitch-slap emoticon...

[Obstructed_View]

You act as if Gasol's ability to hit a game winning 4th quarter shot is what is going to determine the Laker's success in the playoffs. Do you realize how asinine that sounds?
Not nearly as asinine as suggesting his defense will:


Both teams match up extremely well with each other. Lakers get the nod as the better offensive team, Spurs are the better defensive team. If the Lakers can close the gap enough on the defensive end they have a very good shot of beating SAS in a 7 game series.

How did trading Kwame Brown away and getting Pau Gasol in return close the gap on defense?

[adidas11]

A solid trade, so it will be interesting to see how they line up once Bynum makes his way back. For the meantime, Gasol can play center, and help keep us afloat for the next month or so.

Going into the playoffs (hopefully), the Lakers now have flexibility to play against multiple styles against whoever they are matched up against. We can go big (and actually have players who can do something in the post), or we can go smaller (Farmar and .4, for example)

The one thing that we will miss from Kwame, is that his defense in the half court was excellent. Not sure if any of our bigs right now can provide that.

[whottt]

adidas11 = frontrunner

[adidas11]

Frontrunner?

[Kobayagi]

Double-double in his first game doesn't look that bad.

[VaSpursFan]

pau's balling...he's got 22/10/3 assists and he's not even familiar with the triangle offense yet.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

what a fukking joke, the Spurs need to do something, and no, signing a 13 year vet backup PG wasn't the answer

[sa_kid20]

Yeah he has played very well tonight.

[Kobayagi]

in related news...


Nachbar with double-double. Props to my countryman.

[adidas11]

Not a bad debut. Although it is against the Nets though...

[Kobayagi]

24 pts 12 rebs (6 offensive) and 4 assists. Yea, I'd say not a bad debut. ;)

[remingtonbo2001]

A solid trade, so it will be interesting to see how they line up once Bynum makes his way back. For the meantime, Gasol can play center, and help keep us afloat for the next month or so.

Going into the playoffs (hopefully), the Lakers now have flexibility to play against multiple styles against whoever they are matched up against. We can go big (and actually have players who can do something in the post), or we can go smaller (Farmar and .4, for example)

The one thing that we will miss from Kwame, is that his defense in the half court was excellent. Not sure if any of our bigs right now can provide that.

That is the first intellegent remark I've heard from a Lakers Fan since the Gasol trade occurred. :clap


Please, for the sake of the board, STICK AROUND

[adidas11]

That is the first intellegent remark I've heard from a Lakers Fan since the Gasol trade occurred. :clap


Please, for the sake of the board, STICK AROUND

I'm an old-timer, who doesn't get the chance to post much around here anymore. Especially since I've been moving around a lot the past couple of years, and staying busy with work.

I'll try to post more often, but I wouldn't count on it. I'm just in a good mood after the game tonight.

[remingtonbo2001]

Gasol is one of the best PF's in the NBA today.


:lol Wow, you make Sequ look like Einstein! Your parents must be proud!

Here's a list to start you off...

Tim Duncan
Elton Brand
David West
Dirk
Rasheed Wallace
Kevin Garnett
Carlos Boozer

Gasol is good, but he doesn't come close to being one of the best!

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

This is great for Laker fans, and the NBA, Kobe didn't even have to have a good game for them to win.

(Although, I'd hate it) I hope the Lakers have a Boston type adjustment to Pau, makes the games much more competitive.

[ludda]

No one's denying his impact, but please let's not getting carried away. "One of the best PF" my ass. He's a 2nd tier star and a great pickup by the Lakers.

[remingtonbo2001]

24 PTS 12 RB 4 AST

Not bad for his Laker Debut!

And???

Jaque Vaughn had 16 points and 5 assists.
I've seen Fabricio Oberto put those numbers up and with less shot attempts.

Now, if he does that for the rest of the season, the yes I will give him credit and maybe put him on that list.

[peskypesky]

Gasol will shine on the Lakers and the rest of the West better be prepared to step up their game. The morons who persist in dissing Gasol are not even worth responding to.

[DazedAndConfused]

Well if you had actually watched the game and seen the way Gasol impacts the game you wouldn't be saying what you are saying remington.

[slayermin]

Well if you had actually watched the game and seen the way Gasol impacts the game you wouldn't be saying what you are saying remington.

Yeah, he was impressive against that juggernaut frontline of the Nets.

[remingtonbo2001]

Yeah, he was impressive against that juggernaut frontline of the Nets.

:lol

And Pesky, I'm not saying Gasol isn't a good player. But he isn't one of the best power fowards in the league.

When you come around here stating Gasol is one of the best power fowards and claiming he is equally as clutch as Ginobili, I'm going to call BS.

That's simply RETARDED.

[bigfundamental21]

This is great for Laker fans, and the NBA, Kobe didn't even have to have a good game for them to win.

(Although, I'd hate it) I hope the Lakers have a Boston type adjustment to Pau, makes the games much more competitive.

I saw the post game comments and they interviewed Kobe. He was smiling from ear to ear. Although he had a poor offensive game, he couldn't contain himself. He said that he could not wait for Bynum to get back. Kobe scored only 6 points and the Lakers won handily. While their opponent was the Nets, you can't jump to conclusions, but the Gasol addition definitely makes them more dangerous.

[slayermin]

While their opponent was the Nets, you can't jump to conclusions, but the Gasol addition definitely makes them more dangerous.

No doubt about that. Scrubs like Fisher and Radmonovic are going to get open looks galore.

[MajicMan]

No doubt about that. Scrubs like Fisher and Radmonovic are going to get open looks galore.
Fisher is not a scrub dickhead and Radmonovic is just as good or bad as Brent and Finley. Remember Fish .04'd your asses.

[slayermin]

Fisher is not a scrub dickhead and Radmonovic is just as good or bad as Brent and Finley. Remember Fish .04'd your asses.

Fuck Fisher. He's lucky they can't test for HGH. And if you want to go there with the 0.4, he didn't get the shot off in time. You break that shot down, frame by frame, it's 0.52. But Spurs fans have given that up. We aren't like the Suns Fans who bitch and moan about how we got screwed. We moved on and won two more championships.

And what the hell has Radmonovic won? Barry has two rings and Finley one. Both have proven themselves in the playoffs. Even Phyllis call this dude a space cadet.

[Medvedenko]

Those who say Pau is not one of the best PF's in the league make me laugh....he's clearly better than Dwest and Rasheed.

He's a top 8 and will climb as he continues to play with Kobe.

KGB line will own.

[T Park]

he's clearly better than Dwest and Rasheed.


Gasol over Rasheed?

No.

[DazedAndConfused]

I'd take Pau over Sheed in the system that we run.

[SoSoSharp]

I've been reading through a lot of the comments about the Laker trade, and I find that they're a little biased (but thats to be expected on a Spurs message board).

For one, a lot of people are saying that Gasol's presence on the Lakers doesn't make them a contender. Like it or not, the Lakers now have two skilled 7 footers, in addition to the game's best scorer.

The only team that stands in their way at this point, in the Western Conference, is San Antonio. Is San Antonio still the better team? It's hard to argue against that, as they have won four championships (granted, Kobe/Shaq Lakers had to fade from the scene before they could win the last two).

Breaking down Gasol's game though, he is the perfect fit for a big man in the triangle offense. Versatile scorer, excellent passer out of the high post. I'm going to probably take a thrashing for this, but Gasol, like it or not, has historically given Tim Duncan trouble. I'm not saying that Duncan can't score on Pau whenever he wants, but Gasol is always a pain in the ass for an big man to guard. He's a capable ball handler, and extremely quick when he faces up to the basket. He's burned Kevin Garnett, Duncan, Chris Webber, and an assortment of power forwards over the years.

The Lakers have a good shot at defeating the Spurs, maybe not this year, but it is a very good possibility with this current lineup.

[slayermin]

The only team that stands in their way at this point, in the Western Conference, is San Antonio. Is San Antonio still the better team? It's hard to argue against that, as they have won four championships (granted, Kobe/Shaq Lakers had to fade from the scene before they could win the last two).

And we defeated the "Shaq/Kobe" Lakers twice on our way to two championships.

[MajicMan]

And we defeated the "Shaq/Kobe" Lakers twice on our way to two championships.
And how many times did the Lakers defeat you? Nuff said...

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

And how many times did the Lakers defeat you? Nuff said...
You guys still don't have Phil Jackson to complete the winning combination of the three-peat.

[DazedAndConfused]

I know PHX has probably the worst big-man coach in the NBA.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I know PHX has probably the worst big-man coach in the NBA.
I know. Amare's development sucked.
He's pretty much dependent on Nash feeding him.

[timvp]

Is it too late for the Jerry West to gift Mike Miller for DJ Mbenga?

[T Park]

:lol

[Bob Lanier]

The Lakeshow needs Mbenga to defend Duncan, though...

Better go with Rudy Gay for Walton.

[timvp]

The Lakeshow needs Mbenga to defend Duncan, though...

Better go with Rudy Gay for Walton.I like this guy.

Spoken like a true conspirator.

[lefty]

Good times

[Venti Quattro]

Spurs still the favorites, Gasol is soft.

The Good Doctor with the goods :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Venti Quattro]

good they added a proven plaoff choker

:lobt2: :lobt2:


I don't think he was traded for nothing....Crittenton is going to be special.

:lol Medvedenko

[Killakobe81]

The expiring contracts of Barry, Elson and Horry plus their choice of Mahinmi, Splitter and/or first round picks for Gasol would have been a rather nice trade.

Gasol isn't good enough to be a franchise player but as a second or third option he'd be pretty awesome.

Timvp gets it.
Some funny and pretty accurate observations in this thread. I wish folks downstairs would remember this when they claim Pau is the MVP of the Lakers.

[Killakobe81]

Actually, this trade may help the Spurs indirectly. This may propel the Mavs...whom I still think are the Spurs toughest matchup in the West to go ahead and trade for Kidd, in which case they will be much easier to matchup against the Spurs as Harris/Terry/Stackhouse have hurt us in the past. :tu

:lol This is all wishful thinking but it could happen!

Good call!!:toast

[ElNono]

timvp also gets Gasol was traded for nothing... I wish some Lakerfan downstairs remember that too :rolleyes

[Mr. Body]

I think it's widely understood that this trade was a total fuck-job.