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LakeShow
02-02-2008, 06:12 PM
All haters, instead of hating and ridiculously saying that Gasol sucks, he's soft, he won't help and all of that bullshit. Use this to knock the trade. Something realistic!

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-heisler2feb02,0,6314802.story

MARK HEISLER / ON THE NBA
Lakers' trade could have a downside

Adding Gasol, and subtracting Brown, represents a roster upgrade, but it's also expensive and doesn't help their defense.
By Mark Heisler, ON THE NBA
February 2, 2008
News story: Lakers get Pau Gasol.

Comment: Duh.

Does one need to comment?

Actually one does, because it's not as simple as it looks. If the Lakers pulled off a major theft, there were a lot of moving parts and some of them may still be moving.

Here's what we know for sure: The Lakers just got a 7-foot, 27-year-old All-Star-caliber forward, essentially for nothing.

Aside from Kwame Brown's huge body and the soft spot he had in Phil Jackson's heart, he wasn't of much use (appropriately, the Pistons played volleyball on the offensive boards at the end of his last game to nip the Lakers at the wire) and his contract and Lakers career were running out in tandem.

The Lakers loved Javaris Crittenton but Jordan Farmar has been so good, it would have taken Crittenton years to overhaul him . . . if he ever did.

Here's the tricky part:

Lamar Odom was originally discussed in the talks between the Lakers and Memphis, according to an NBA source.

However, Memphis owner Michael Heisley, who has had the team up for sale for years and is projecting a $20-million loss this season, predicated everything on knocking as much money as he could off his payroll in this deal.

With Odom making $13.2 million this season and $14.1 million next, Heisley told his basketball people he didn't want him.

The addition of Gasol will give the Lakers the tallest front line the NBA has ever seen. When Andrew Bynum returns, their front line will go 7-0, 7-0 and 6-11.

Of course, one of them has to guard small forwards.

With Gasol's scoring ability and the Lakers' huge financial commitment in him, one thing is clear:

The moment the deal went down, he replaced Odom as No. 3 Option of the Future.

This one is breathtaking even for Jerry Buss, who has long set the market when he wanted a player.

With Gasol getting $49.4 million the next three seasons and Bynum's extension projected to kick in in 2009, the Lakers will go far over the luxury tax threshold, and this deal could cost $80 million in salary and tax over three years.

That's how they got Gasol. No one else would step up.

The Chicago Bulls, who eyed Gasol for years, could have offered P.J. Brown's expired $12.8-million contract and Andres Nocioni, whom Memphis wanted.

However, to put Brown's salary in the deal, the Bulls would have had to pay luxury tax on it this season, which owner Jerry Reinsdorf refused to do.

This wasn't the Lakers' only option. They could have had Chicago's Ben Wallace for Kwame Brown and Vladimir Radmanovic, according to an NBA source, incurring far less cost.

Moving Radmanovic's contract, which has three seasons worth $19 million left, would have meant the Lakers were taking on only an additional $20 million.

However, the Lakers thought Wallace was old and diminished, which was true. He's attitudinal, too, but I don't think he's as bad as he looked with the runty Bulls. He and Bynum might have been a devastating defensive tandem, but we'll never know.

In any case, the Lakers now have another major piece and we don't have to watch Kwame fumble passes and chase the ball around the floor.

It does bring down the curtain on an unforgettable era. When will the Lakers have another player who hits some guy on the street in the face with a birthday cake?

But enough about Kwame, forever.

The Lakers just took a big step Friday.

Into what, we'll have to see, but it was definitely big.

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ThomasGranger
02-02-2008, 06:20 PM
Good article. Initially, I was pretty dubious about what looked like an obvious backdoor deal, but this offers some insight on why it went down (and why a team like the Bulls didn't make the deal instead).

thispego
02-02-2008, 06:24 PM
gmafb :rolleyes

ThomasGranger
02-02-2008, 06:32 PM
Don't get me wrong. It still came out of nowhere and looks to have Jerry West all over it, but it seems a bit more above board when you look at the salary implications.

spurscenter
02-02-2008, 07:22 PM
lakers still suck, gasol is not gonna be a monster all of a sudden.he is an upgrade over mihm in that style. one who benefits is derek fisher ppg due to spacing

exstatic
02-02-2008, 07:30 PM
??? I've been saying the whole time that not only is Gasol a pussy, he's an EXPENSIVE pussy. The Lakers look to have a good five, but good fucking luck putting together an entire roster.

DazedAndConfused
02-02-2008, 07:39 PM
We already have the #2 bench in the NBA. Try again.

Denial, denial, denial.

Medvedenko
02-02-2008, 07:45 PM
Well if Mihm is an upgrade on Kwame and Mihm doesn't play and Kwame's gone....I'm sure Gasol is just a little better than Mihm...hmmmm.....good point buddy.

bostonguy
02-02-2008, 08:47 PM
??? I've been saying the whole time that not only is Gasol a pussy, he's an EXPENSIVE pussy. The Lakers look to have a good five, but good fucking luck putting together an entire roster.


If the Spurs had gotten Gasol, you would be doing back flips and jumping with joy getting all excited. If the Lakers had a bad head coach, I could see this as a negative thing but Phil is the best damn coach in NBA History. You are just pissed off Lakers landed Gasol for nothing and trying to throw the ego/soft card to make yourself feel better. Deep down inside you know this team is more than capable of really doing something this year and it concerns you.

mystargtr34
02-02-2008, 08:53 PM
Gasol is UNDER rated. He will fit in perfectly, brilliant passer and he'll be playing in the triangle. The dude averaged nearly 5 assists per game in 05-06 playing out of the post and from the elbow.

I would actually start Ariza in place of Odom when he gets back, i dont think Phil wants Kobe guarding the best perimeter player night in night out, because Lamar certaintly cant do that. Bringing Lamar off the bench would give the them somewhat of a go-to-guy with the second unit - but i cant see him accepting that kind of role.

Bynum
Gasol
Ariza
Kobe
Fisher
---------
Turiaf/Mihm
Odom
Walton/Radman
Vujacic
Farmar

Thats still a young team 1 through 12 apart from Fish and Mihm.

Their future looks good.

DazedAndConfused
02-02-2008, 08:53 PM
If the Spurs had gotten Gasol, you would be doing back flips and jumping with joy getting all excited. If the Lakers had a bad head coach, I could see this as a negative thing but Phil is the best damn coach in NBA History. You are just pissed off Lakers landed Gasol for nothing and trying to throw the ego/soft card to make yourself feel better. Deep down inside you know this team is more than capable of really doing something this year and it concerns you.

You make too much sense to be a Boston fan.

Lakafan23
02-03-2008, 12:11 AM
If the Spurs had gotten Gasol, you would be doing back flips and jumping with joy getting all excited. If the Lakers had a bad head coach, I could see this as a negative thing but Phil is the best damn coach in NBA History. You are just pissed off Lakers landed Gasol for nothing and trying to throw the ego/soft card to make yourself feel better. Deep down inside you know this team is more than capable of really doing something this year and it concerns you.


Wow thats the most logical thing ive read on this thread. Thank you for not being a douche like the rest of the haters.

LakeShow
02-03-2008, 12:19 AM
If the Spurs had gotten Gasol, you would be doing back flips and jumping with joy getting all excited. If the Lakers had a bad head coach, I could see this as a negative thing but Phil is the best damn coach in NBA History. You are just pissed off Lakers landed Gasol for nothing and trying to throw the ego/soft card to make yourself feel better. Deep down inside you know this team is more than capable of really doing something this year and it concerns you.

:clap

Cry Havoc
02-03-2008, 03:43 AM
Geez guys, not all Spurs fans are trying to minimalize this or say that Gasol is soft. Who CARES? I'll take a soft 18 and 9 any day of the freaking week.

The Lakers, point blank, are frightening now. They are easily the #1 threat to the Spurs in the West. They're also now officially the complete mismatch nightmare for the Phoenix Suns. A healthy Lakers team wins that series in 5 games now.

RonMexico
02-03-2008, 04:03 AM
Birthday cake.

mavsfan1000
02-03-2008, 07:30 AM
It's ridiculous how much hate Gasol is getting around here. He's a very tough player to guard and put him next to Kobe and you got a very tough team to beat. I think this puts the lakers in contention for a championship now which I didn't so before despite their record.

peskypesky
02-03-2008, 11:03 AM
It's ridiculous how much hate Gasol is getting around here. He's a very tough player to guard and put him next to Kobe and you got a very tough team to beat. I think this puts the lakers in contention for a championship now which I didn't so before despite their record.

I hate to have to agree with a Mav fan, but the Spurs fans who are dissing Gasol are either morons or douches. They're going on and on about him being "soft" and ignoring the rest of his game. They're ignoring the fact that he's been a semi-franchise player for years. (I say "semi" because no true franchise player could play for that many years without winning a single playoff game.)

So yeah, Gasol is not perfect. He has some flaws in his game. And he may not be a true franchise player, but he is a huge acquisition for the Lakers. They were already dangerous...if they gel, they may start dominating in the West the way the Celtics are dominating in the East. I, for one, remember all the fools who were saying the Celtics wouldn't be that good this year.

ChumpDumper
02-03-2008, 12:52 PM
The addition of Gasol will give the Lakers the tallest front line the NBA has ever seen. When Andrew Bynum returns, their front line will go 7-0, 7-0 and 6-11.I think the Spurs triple towers lineup beats the Lakers by an inch.

Cry Havoc
02-03-2008, 01:07 PM
It's official. The Lakers are freaking scary.

60-39 up on the Wiz now. With the following statline:

Andrew Bynum - Has not entered game.
Pau Gasol - Has not entered game.

That's impressive. Laker fans, you should be dancing in the streets about now.

DazedAndConfused
02-03-2008, 01:22 PM
Well you are seeing how well the Lakers play when Kwame Brown is not in the lineup.

BonnerDynasty
02-03-2008, 01:51 PM
I hate how other teams can dominate these scrub teams and the Spurs ALWAYS have to play down to the level of their opponent and fight out a dirty win.

DazedAndConfused
02-03-2008, 01:54 PM
That's because you don't have a particularly great offense. Your defense is best in the league though.

Cry Havoc
02-03-2008, 02:30 PM
That's because you don't have a particularly great offense. Your defense is best in the league though.

Without Parker, we have zero offense. We've become built around his penetration and mismatches that he draws with the defense. Otherwise, they just lock down on Duncan or Manu with doubles and triples.

We REALLY need a player who can hit another outside shot when Parker is out.

remingtonbo2001
02-03-2008, 02:40 PM
I would've been more intimidated with Wallace than Gasol.
The Lakers already had a formidible offense before this trade, regardless you only get so many possessions a game. (PHX has tried to defy this law, it hasn't worked) However, their interior defense could've used a boost. I like Bynum, but he is still very young, and the LA front court could've used some toughness. No offense, it seems LA is trying to match up to beat PHX, but past that, I'm not sure how far this lineup will get them. SPEAKING SOLEY ON THIS SEASON, I think the Wallace trade would've benefited LA more.

Cry Havoc
02-03-2008, 02:57 PM
I would've been more intimidated with Wallace than Gasol.
The Lakers already had a formidible offense before this trade, regardless you only get so many possessions a game. (PHX has tried to defy this law, it hasn't worked) However, their interior defense could've used a boost. I like Bynum, but he is still very young, and the LA front court could've used some toughness. No offense, it seems LA is trying to match up to beat PHX, but past that, I'm not sure how far this lineup will get them. SPEAKING SOLEY ON THIS SEASON, I think the Wallace trade would've benefited LA more.

I saw Wallace play in a Bulls game recently. He's worthless, and yes I mean that. He blew two layups and is scared to go up strong with it.

DazedAndConfused
02-03-2008, 03:05 PM
This trade wasn't made to matchup with any particular team. It was made to address our weakness at the forward position. Lamar Odom is not really a true PF that fits in the triangle offense. He doesn't have a post up game and his midrange jumpshot isn't very good. Pau Gasol is the perfect fit @ the 4 for us. He can post up and hit the midrange jumpshot. Odom can go to the 3 spot and work on facilitating the offense and getting good looks for everyone else. We have 3 7 footers who will control the paint on both ends, leading to more possessions. This trade is about as good as it gets for us.

Ben Wallace and his toxic contract can stay in CHI. Bynum is a far better 2-way player and will eclipse Wallace on the defensive end very soon.

remingtonbo2001
02-03-2008, 03:21 PM
This trade wasn't made to matchup with any particular team. It was made to address our weakness at the forward position. Lamar Odom is not really a true PF that fits in the triangle offense. He doesn't have a post up game and his midrange jumpshot isn't very good. Pau Gasol is the perfect fit @ the 4 for us. He can post up and hit the midrange jumpshot. Odom can go to the 3 spot and work on facilitating the offense and getting good looks for everyone else. We have 3 7 footers who will control the paint on both ends, leading to more possessions. This trade is about as good as it gets for us.

Ben Wallace and his toxic contract can stay in CHI. Bynum is a far better 2-way player and will eclipse Wallace on the defensive end very soon.

I haven't paid attention to Big Ben the past couple of seasons, so you guys are probabilily more on spot than I am.

However, my point was more about the direction LA went. They decided to take an offense approach, instead of improving their defense and physical toughness.

LakeShow
02-03-2008, 03:31 PM
Geez guys, not all Spurs fans are trying to minimalize this or say that Gasol is soft. Who CARES? I'll take a soft 18 and 9 any day of the freaking week.

The Lakers, point blank, are frightening now. They are easily the #1 threat to the Spurs in the West. They're also now officially the complete mismatch nightmare for the Phoenix Suns. A healthy Lakers team wins that series in 5 games now.

Yeah I know, I would not dare group all of the spurs fans together but right now the haters out number you guys big time.

The thing about Gasol, every body keeps talking about him leading the lakers, he is not here to lead the lakers anywhere. This is Kobe's team and will continue to be so.

LakeShow
02-03-2008, 03:36 PM
I would've been more intimidated with Wallace than Gasol.
The Lakers already had a formidible offense before this trade, regardless you only get so many possessions a game. (PHX has tried to defy this law, it hasn't worked) However, their interior defense could've used a boost. I like Bynum, but he is still very young, and the LA front court could've used some toughness. No offense, it seems LA is trying to match up to beat PHX, but past that, I'm not sure how far this lineup will get them. SPEAKING SOLEY ON THIS SEASON, I think the Wallace trade would've benefited LA more.

Wallace made too much and basically would have brought us the same thing that we got from Kwame. I had said earlier that the lakers would either have to make a trade or change their game. With gasol, they can continue to play the same game. They definitely need a low post scorer and Gasol was probably the best that they could get. Soft or not, he has an offensive game in the post that teams can not ignore. As far as him being soft, believe me, Phil and Kobe will not allow that. AND, we'll send him to Kareem to tighten up his defense. He may not be physical but he can block shots so we have to teach him how to use that ability to our advantage.

DazedAndConfused
02-03-2008, 03:40 PM
The fact that you say we should have gotten Ben Wallace instead of Gasol shows me you know nothing about basketball.

bostonguy
02-03-2008, 05:07 PM
The fact that you say we should have gotten Ben Wallace instead of Gasol shows me you know nothing about basketball.


I was thinking why not have Odom come off the bench and play a 6th man type of role? Walton can start at the 3. Just an idea.

MONTENEGRINO
02-03-2008, 05:15 PM
Now send Odom for Ron Ron and you're good...

LakeShow
02-03-2008, 05:25 PM
Now send Odom for Ron Ron and you're good...

He's not going to renew his contract, so me myself, I would rather just stay pat and if odom doesn't work out, next year try to get someone like Ron ron.

remingtonbo2001
02-03-2008, 11:50 PM
The fact that you say we should have gotten Ben Wallace instead of Gasol shows me you know nothing about basketball.

I'd rather be a person who knows nothing about basketball with a kind heart than an annoying prick who is dispised by his peers.