Brent Barry Playing Time Revisited

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So, do the resident haters still think he should be at the end of the bench?

Just curious. Brent playing over 20 minutes = Spurs win.

[exstatic]

AHF - I think you misunderstand most of us. I've never been a hatah. He just had to EARN his time. He's starting to.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

ex,

This was directed at the people (and there were some on this site) who were even going so far as to say it was time to trade Barry for anything we could get, because he so *bad.*

[SequSpur]

Brent Barry has earned time his whole career. What did he suddenly forget?

[T Park]

you saying that makes you a "hatah"

Its great seeing him be the first one off the bench.

Games like tonight, 14 and 6 assits are what the Spurs gave him his 6 million dollar deal.

Now its time for Malik and Devin Brown fans to start bitching about their player's plaing time.

Problem was tonight, Bowen was playing so well, Ginobili was good, Barry was great, that there wasnt any time for him.

Hell get some time VS Indiana more than likely.

[T Park]

This was directed at the people (and there were some on this site) who were even going so far as to say it was time to trade Barry for anything we could get, because he so *bad.*

Aggie, I agree then, and on that note, I say ignore those morons, cause they have no clue of the game.

[SequSpur]

Weren't u a hata tpark? Then you show up to the game in a Barry Jersey.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Why should Rose fans start bitching about PT? Shouldn't we be holding him to the same standards Barry was held to?

What did he contribute tonight? Three fouls and a bad miss?

[T Park]

Weren't u a hata tpark

Not at all.

Ive been like Ex, hes had to step his defense up and overall game up, to play more.


You ask hes earned PT his whole career, well thats the problem, wherever hes been, they dont give a crap about defense, and you see what kind of teams they are.

[SequSpur]

Dude was brought here to jack up 3s not become all nba defense.

Jesus.

[whottt]

I don't care if Brent Barry hasn't hit a shot in a month, when our offense stagnates, he should be the first guy off the bench and the ball should be running through his hands...he should also always see time if we have a 14 point lead heading into the 4th...always. Other than that I don't care what his minutes are and never have.

And I am against rotting Rose and Brown out on the bench for the same reasons I was against doing it to Horry and Barry...they have things to offer, of a different nature...

But I don't like going with either one of them in the closing seconds of a game...I much prefer Barry and Horry over anyone else on the bench.

Beno and Devin are too inexperienced...

And BTW, how come no one ever noticed that Devin tends to have his best games when he is getting court time with Barry...Barry knows how to utilize Devin's strengths better than anyone else on the team.

This teams depth is it's greatest strength...it should be used and it should be used every game.

[T Park]

Dude was brought here to jack up 3s not become all nba defense.

Jesus

No one said all defense dorkfuck.

Just someone who doesnt become a liability.

Sorry whottt, tonight, someone was gonna have to bite the bullet and not get minutes.

Thats the way it is.

You CANT have a freakin 10 man rotation.

[whottt]

Thats the way it is.

You CANT have a freakin 10 man rotation.


Well that's a myth, you know who has used a 10 man rotation more in the past 15 years than any other coach?

Phil Jackson...and his 9 rings.

He's twice used an extensive 10 man rotation in years when he won the title...and by extensive I mean more of one than Hubie used last season.

[T Park]

He's twice used an extensive 10 man rotation in years when he won the title

2 times out of 9 isnt a great sell.

8 to 9 man rotations will win out, also depending on matchups on how the way things go.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Who cares if it was only two times out of nine, he also had Jordan and Pippen in Chicago, and then Kobe and Shaq and LA. Little bit different than here in SA.

What was it that Sean said tonight about Barry? Something like "when Brent Barry is in the game, the offense just clicks, it's fun."

What the hell would he ever know about that?

[milkyway21]

I rally for Brent Barry to be given more playing time & I AM really glad he met my expectations this wk. Glad Devin had a big 4th qtr, too! But, again where's Malik?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

But, again where's Malik?

Still waiting for his pump fake to work.

[GoSpurs21]

Hats off to Barry. He is starting to play the way I expected him to. I am not a Barry hater, I just wasnt satified with his resistance to shooting open shots and playing adequit defense. Tonight Barry showed he is capable of both. I just hope he continues to earn minutes like he did tonight. I just dont think Barry is the savoir that puts Spurs over the top, he is a role playing that if contributes in a positive fashion can help the Spurs to win the 3rd title.

Bowen haters need to apologize and Bowen needs to be on Rome show every game day.

[milkyway21]

Still waiting for his pump fake to work.Okay! We need him to pump more against Indiana, it seems Horry has injured his shoulder(?), might need Malik to back up Rasho. :smokin

[whottt]

I'm one of the biggest Bowen fans on the board...but the fact is Bowen has gotten smoked in a lot of big games this season, in nearly every loss, and he got smoked against the Lakers in the playoffs last season.

You look at the losses we have had in big games this seasons the common denominator in all of them is Bruce getting smoked.

I don't really hold that against Bruce though, Bruce has a difficult job night in and night out and expends a ton of energy..he's not a spring chicked......Bruce doesn't need to start for the same reason Barry doesn't need to start...because we have a younger player that is more complete than either of them in Devin Brown...


You guys want to call out Barry or Malik or Horry...

Pay attention...Bruce got smoked in both Seattle games, he got smoked by Tmac in the closing seconds against Houston, he got smoked in the Orlando loss, he got smoked by Peja on Sunday...

I realize Bruce has built up a lot of love over the past few seasons, and I love the guy as well...

But the fact is his age is showing, he does not have it every night on D any more...and he hasn't had a post season J since about halfway through the playoffs two years ago...all those combacks we had when we ton the title, Bruce wasn't on the court for those...

He needs to be saved and rested during the regular season, the greatest improvement we can make on this team that we haven't already made is to maximize Devin Brown's potential, and you do that by starting him....he is a better defender than Barry and he is a better offensive player than Bruce...and before anyone says it...Devin looks a lot better at this stage than Jax did and we started Jax.

[ChumpDumper]

What's Devin's qwhottta of minutes per game to develop him?

What's Bruce's qwhottta of minutes to "save" him?

Oh hell, just give your qwhottta for all the swingmen.

[whottt]

What started out as a decent thread has now been infected with stupidity. Fumble away Chump, this should be amusing.

[MannyIsGod]

No one said all defense dorkfuck.

Just someone who doesnt become a liability.

Sorry whottt, tonight, someone was gonna have to bite the bullet and not get minutes.

Thats the way it is.

You CANT have a freakin 10 man rotation.

Hey Tpark, stop the insults. Why do you have to insult? Can't you disagree without insulting someone?

[wildbill2u]

"This teams depth is it's greatest strength...it should be used and it should be used every game"

Correct.

"You can't have a ten man rotation"

Why not--if you have the talent to go deep? You can use the deep bench to run the other team into the ground by the 4th quarter. Most players have to pace themselves to play 35-40 minutes. And if someone simply isn't clicking on a particular night, either the starting five or reserves, you have someone who's played a lot and is ready to take on the responsibility.

Most teams have used a shorter rotation because they simply didn't have good NBA talent at the ninth and tenth spots. It's tough for everyone on this board to pick and agree on the 9th and 10th players. That ought to tell you something.

This Spurs team is a freak talentwise.

[ChumpDumper]

Look, if you want a set ten-man rotation, then say who comes in when and how the minutes should be distributed.

If you don't think minutes should be set, then it's not really different from what the Spurs are doing now. You can just stick with your vague "I want this guy to play when I want him to play" missives.

[Spurminator]

Bringing Bowen off the bench is pointless. You may as well trade him.

Bowen is here to neutralize the best opposing perimeter player. Sometimes he fails... more often, he succeeds. It's no different than Manu or Parker having 20 points one night and 6 points the next.

[kskonn]

He needs to be saved and rested during the regular season, the greatest improvement we can make on this team that we haven't already made is to maximize Devin Brown's potential, and you do that by starting him....he is a better defender than Barry and he is a better offensive player than Bruce...and before anyone says it...Devin looks a lot better at this stage than Jax did and we started Jax.


Not a horrible idea. I know it sounds a little crazy but isn't bruce in his early thirties? Although we never brought David off the bench this is exactly what POP did with Drob. Remember all the bitches from the fans, "why was robinson not in the game", but come post season he usually had Fresh legs.

[whottt]

Look, if you want a set ten-man rotation, then say who comes in when and how the minutes should be distributed.


See, this is what you do that is stupid...this is what you did in the Barry debate, you crystalized the argument into something it was never about...Barry's set minutes, and now, because Barry is playing slightly over what you think was the decided threshold of appropriate minutes, you are engaged in non-stop self dicksucking..because you think you are right and Barry is now being used correctly...but you have forgetten what lead to that argument and that really the only thing you were right about was that Pop was going to play him more than 10 mins per game...that in and of itself doesn't mean Barry is being used better...

The truth of the matter is, he is being used better but Pop has still been a little flakey with his usage, ironically we keep losing those games so Pop is forced to not let Barry rot...


If you don't think minutes should be set, then it's not really different from what the Spurs are doing now. You can just stick with your vague "I want this guy to play when I want him to play" missives.

Yes I can because it's pretty clear that all of these guys should get a chance to impact the game, in both halves, I bitch when they aren't given that opportunity...that's what sets me off...it doesn't take much since his doing that is usually accompanied by a loss.

For instance, Horry not getting a second of PT in a loss to Orlando, when even the Horry haters were saying he had been the best bench big...


For instance Barry not getting a second of PT in the second halves of several losses or near losses(because of TO's and blown leads).


To me it's pretty obvious that it doesn't do much good to play Bowen 35 minutes unless the team has a dominant perimeter scorer...

Remember, the Kobe/Shaq dynamic that made Bowen such a valuable cog, is no longer in play in the NBA....Kobe busting out for 35 points is not as devastating as it once was because he no longer has Shaq in the middle.

And like it or not, Bowen is on the decline, D is the first thing that goes...he can still do it on any given night...he just can't do it on every night...like he used to be able to do.

There are certain teams though which still make Bowen's skill set a valuable one...

Seattle
Phoenix
Sacramento
Houston
LA still...

Save him for those games, start him if you like, I feel that Bowen or Barry are a better choice to close games but I think this team needs to have Devin Brown getting more PT than either Barry or Bowen....#1.Devin has the legs to get the most minutes. #2.He is more complete than either of them. #3.He has more upside at this point than either of them.

[ALVAREZ6]

I've never been a hatah. He just had to EARN his time. He's starting to.

Barry never had the chance to earn his time until now.

You can't put a player on the court for only 5 minutes and have big expectations.

If you're on the bench, you aren't really hyped up, you aren't very sharp as if you would be playing right after warm-ups.

Pre-game warm-ups mainly help starters, Barry finally had the chance to show he can play.

[ChumpDumper]

because you think you are right and Barry is now being used correctlyI know I'm right (numbers don't lie unless you are posting them) and Barry is never going to be played exactly the minutes you want him to play or the way you want him you micromanaging twit.
ironically we keep losing those games so Pop is forced to not let Barry rot.Yes, we've been over your 82 and 0 with Barry being used "correctly" theory -- tiresome.

[whottt]

I know I'm right (numbers don't lie unless you are posting them)

And what numbers would those be?

I await the self asskicking you are about to give yourself...


and Barry is never going to be played exactly the minutes you want him to play or the way you want him you micromanaging twit.

If Barry doesn't see action in a half or if he isn't given a chance to impact the game, because Pop is pussing out...I'll bitch.



Yes, we've been over your 82 and 0 with Barry being used "correctly" theory -- tiresome.

We'd have never been 82-0 but 3 of our losses were the direct result of Pop's coaching...

The losses in and of themselves don't bother me that much...it's the fact that we have choked in nearly every big game we have played this season, and it's been our coach that lead the choke..that worries me.

I know I know...you suck Pop nightly...so just save it.

TPark does it better..
TPark brings better aruments than you and he is more honest as well.

[ChumpDumper]

And what numbers would those be? There's a whole thread about that, idiot.
If Barry doesn't see action in a half or if he isn't given a chance to impact the game, because Pop is pussing out...I'll bitch.You'll bitch no matter what. Don't front.
We'd have never been 82-0 but 3 of our losses were the direct result of Pop's coaching.Yes, that and nothing else -- we understand that he takes and makes the shots and defends all the players and causes our TOs. He certainly shares responsibilty for the losses, but your precious players are man enough to admit when they fuck up too.

[whottt]

slurp slurp

:rolleyes

[whottt]

He certainly shares responsibilty for the losses, but your precious players are man enough to admit when they fuck up too.

Yeah, Horry fucked up by not inserting himself into the Orlando game for even a second of play.

STFU.

[ChumpDumper]

I realize that I can't come up with a coherent argument and I'm still weeping openly about ChumpDumper's owning me about Barry. I'll be damned if exactly what he said would happen didn't happen. I'll try to distract everyone from that by bitching about the WAY he's being used now. Yeah, that's it. And I'll float "Start Devin" and "10-man rotation" ideas without ever actually following through because in truth I don't know how to add to 240.

[ChumpDumper]

And I'll call him a copycat because he does this better than I do now.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh God, I have to say something about Hedo or Anthony Carter now.

[ChumpDumper]

I need to shine my new gun.

[whottt]

suck suck

[ChumpDumper]

I'm so owned I think I invented this tactic.

[whottt]

I'm even second rate at popsucking

[whottt]

Pop must have called for him/her/it :smokin

[ChumpDumper]

I am above all this. I am above all this. I am above all this.

[whottt]

And by the way...when are you going to update those minutes? STFU and get to it.

[ChumpDumper]

I've got my calculator ready to check the numbers in case there's a mistake like I made. But I'm above all this.

[whottt]

nothing of value

[boutons]

piss piss piss piss piss piss piss piss piss piss piss piss

somebody please mop up and flush you're are finished.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Not to intrude on the quote fest, but...

whott:


Seattle
Phoenix
Sacramento
Houston
LA still...

Ray Ray has lit up Bowen both games vs. Seattle. All you have to do to beat Bowen on the perimeter is involve him and Tim on the pick and roll, game over.

[whottt]

Not to intrude on the quote fest, but...

whott:



Ray Ray has lit up Bowen both games vs. Seattle. All you have to do to beat Bowen on the perimeter is involve him and Tim on the pick and roll, game over.


Well Ray Allen isn't the only one on those teams that lit Bowen up...he also got lit up by Peja, TMac and..well even though the Grizz aren't on that list he got smoked by Bonzi as well.

Bowen's pretty much gotten smoked in all of our losses...

My point is that he would do better in those games where his skills were needed if we weren't playing him 35 mins a game against like...hmmmmmm New Orleans for example.

Bruce knows how to handle the picnroll, he just doesn't have it every game like he used to...IMO this is due to age more than anything...and it affects his shooting in the post season as well.

Bruce is a specialist at this stage IMO, and should be used as such...he should not be used as a big minutes guy or as an all situations type guy...he's got too many weaknesses in his game and his age is catching up to him.

I hear a lot of people saying we would get nothing from him if he moved to the bench...

Well we'd still get defense from him, and whether people want to realize it or not, Bruce is not a good offensive player...he's a smart player and the team is capable of performing very well with him in the lineup...but if Bruce isn't defending well he is a huge liability, we should do everything to keep him rested so he can perform when he is most needed.

I just think we'd end up a better team by the time the playoffs roll around if Devin were the starter...I think Devin would be an emerging stud by then and I think Bruce would have a lot more energy to do what he does.

I still think we will win the title...but I'd feel better about our chances if I knew Bruce was fresh going into a series with a tough perimeter scorer.

Like Ray Allen...

[SequSpur]

Still waiting for his pump fake to work.

LMMFAO @ AHF!!!!!

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[milkyway21]

So, do the resident haters still think he should be at the end of the bench?

Just curious. Brent playing over 20 minutes = Spurs win.San antonio Express News reports that Brent Barry has a flu-like symptoms. Any update if he could play tonight? :depressed