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CaptainLate
02-07-2008, 05:51 PM
O'Neal trade shifts conference landscape

By Johnny Ludden, Yahoo! Sports
February 7, 2008

Pau Gasol's trade to Los Angeles and Shaquille O'Neal's move to Phoenix have further tightened the Western Conference race. With apologies to the Denver Nuggets, Golden State Warriors, Houston Rockets and Portland Trail Blazers, here’s a look at the West’s Best Six. Record-wise, of course.

PHOENIX SUNS

Why the West should worry: Shaquille O’Neal, despite his declining athleticism, still weighs 325 pounds (that's what the Suns are telling us). Opposing teams are likely going to have to double-team him at least occasionally, opening up the rest of the court for Phoenix’s many shooters. O’Neal also is excellent at finding cutters and should prove to be a good passer from the high post. Coach Mike D’Antoni and point guard Steve Nash might be the two best offensive minds in the game, so chances are they’ll find a way to put O’Neal in positions where he can be successful. More important, the addition of O’Neal allows Amare Stoudemire to stop masquerading as a center and move to power forward where he’ll be less exposed defensively.

Why the Suns should worry: O’Neal still weighs 325 pounds, even if that’s light by his standards. And he turns 36 in March. And he’s recently been sidelined with bursitis in his left hip. And, well, 36-year-old, 325-pound centers with bad hips don’t strike fear in opponents like they used to. O’Neal’s struggles to stay on the floor in Miami weren’t limited to injury. He also routinely found himself in foul trouble. As one rival Western Conference executive said, “This just gives us more ways to exploit them.” If memory serves right, the Suns like to run. O’Neal? He lumbers. Losing Shawn Marion also cost Phoenix its most versatile defender, a pogo-legged rebounder and the one player who seemed to fit best sprinting alongside Nash. The Suns are now more dependent on Grant Hill, which, given Hill’s injury history, is always a risk.

Outlook: This much is clear: O’Neal should immediately help the Suns in the locker room. Marion was too insecure to play alongside Nash and Stoudemire, both of whom had reportedly tired of the teammate’s unhappiness. While the Suns have talked openly of having chemistry problems, O’Neal is a goofy, fun-loving soul who can warm any locker room. Said Nash: “I think the Big Aristotle wants to be friends with us.” O’Neal also comes to the Suns motivated after listening to critics call for his retirement. The first half of the season has already passed; by the time next week’s All-Star break comes and goes, O’Neal will be able to sniff the playoffs. That’s the cup-is-half-full forecast. The pessimistic view? He’s just lost too much physically to help Phoenix make a sustained playoff march. The guess here: The Suns will have a tough time getting out of the second round.

DALLAS MAVERICKS

Why the West should worry: The Mavericks continue to look at ways to land Jason Kidd, who, given the keys to an offense featuring Dirk Nowitzki and Josh Howard, is enough to make opponents sweat. Even without Kidd, Dallas is capable of beating any team in the league on any given night. Howard is fast developing into one of the better small forwards in the game. Jason Terry and Jerry Stackhouse, provided he doesn’t leave in a trade for Kidd, provide a formidable one-two punch off the bench. There’s also the feeling that these Mavericks, after suffering a pair of embarrassing collapses in each of the previous two postseasons, are waiting until March to shift into a higher gear.

Why the Mavericks should worry: Unlike last season when they piled up 67 wins, the Mavericks haven't shown much consistency. And even if they want Kidd, landing him could cost a lot. Devin Harris is young, good and getting better. Stackhouse is an important presence off the bench and in the locker room. If Dallas also has to throw in either center DeSagana Diop or forward Brandon Bass the price could be too high. And no matter what happens the remainder of the regular season, the Mavericks still have their recent history of shaky playoff exits. Nowitzki, in particular, must prove he won’t wither under pressure.

Outlook: The Mavericks have the ability to play big against Memphis and Phoenix or small against the Spurs. That versatility will serve them well in the playoffs. Still, Dallas didn’t make many changes to the roster responsible for last season’s flameout against Golden State. If the Mavericks want to win a championship this season their best bet might be to go all-in for Kidd.

NEW ORLEANS HORNETS

Why the West should worry: Anyone see Chris Paul’s 42-point, nine-assist, eight-steal performance against Steve Nash on Wednesday? Paul’s already an All-Star. The only question now is whether he also becomes a legitimate MVP candidate. With the possible exception of Nash, no player has done a better job of controlling the pace of a game than Paul. David West is a matchup headache for opposing teams; too quick for power forwards and too strong for smaller forwards. Tyson Chandler, meanwhile, is a perfect fit at center for the Hornets’ run-and-fun style.

Why the Hornets should worry: They need a bench. Or at least more of one. Jannero Pargo can shoot, but Bobby Jackson has seen better days. Paul and West are already playing too many minutes. At this pace, they’ll be worn out by April. Ryan Bowen has begun to get more time than Rasual Butler. That says something.

Outlook: The Hornets have a formidable starting five, but little more. If they can’t make a trade to improve their bench, they’re going to have problems. Though they’ve got a bright future, their lack of experience doesn’t speak to a long playoff run.

UTAH JAZZ

Why the West should worry: Carlos Boozer is an All-Star, Deron Williams deserves to be the same and the Jazz are 16-2 since Kyle Korver joined the rotation. After a difficult opening schedule, Utah has found some traction, putting together a 10-game winning streak. Williams and Boozer are a devastating pick-and-roll combo and Andrei Kirilenko seems to have at least temporarily accepted the fact he doesn’t need to be one of the team’s top offensive options. Korver is already looking like one of the season’s best acquisitions; on Wednesday he scored 27 points to beat Northwest rival Denver. Ronnie Brewer has been a nice addition to the starting lineup at shooting guard and the bench is more than solid.

Why the Jazz should worry: On some nights Boozer gives up almost as much as he gets. Mehmet Okur is a matchup problem on one end of the floor, but needs help guarding O’Neal and Tim Duncan. For now, Utah’s biggest concern might be the one thing they can’t do anything about: the schedule. The Jazz close the season with a brutal Spurs-Hornets-Mavericks-Nuggets-Rockets-Spurs stretch.

Outlook: The Jazz picked up some valuable experience during their ride to the conference finals last season. If they can avoid another meeting with Duncan and Kirilenko plays tough, they’re more than capable of making a return trip.

LOS ANGELES LAKERS

Why the West should worry: Memphis just gave Kobe Bryant another skilled post player while he waits for his talented 20-year-old center to mend. Landing Pau Gasol sets up the Lakers for both the short- and long-term. Gasol should fit well in Phil Jackson’s triangle offense. He can score inside and out and is a willing passer, allowing him to complement Bryant and Andrew Bynum. Lamar Odom no longer has to shoulder the pressure of being Bryant’s sidekick and should be able to focus on being the type of play-making forward the Lakers had hoped to get when they traded O’Neal for him. Derek Fisher had already proven to be a valuable addition, behind the three-point line and in the locker room. The biggest cause for concern among West opponents: Bryant smells blood. He knows he has a legitimate chance to win a title with this group and he’ll do everything possible to make that come true.

Why the Lakers should worry: Gasol has said publicly he’s ready for the pressure of playing next to Bryant on the league’s highest-profile team. That, however, is in contrast to what he told one of his former Grizzlies teammates upon leaving Memphis. Gasol, said the teammate, had mixed feelings about the trade for two reasons: He didn’t want to leave countryman Juan Carlos Navarro; and he wasn’t sure how he’d handle playing with lofty expectations. Gasol has yet to win a single playoff game in his career and many of the younger Lakers are relatively untested when it comes to postseason pressure. The biggest concern: Bynum’s knee injury. He’s expected back before the playoffs, but no one knows at what level.

Outlook: The Lakers had already begun to look like a contender before Bynum went down. The addition of Gasol, at such a low cost, figures to keep them among the conference’s elite. Bryant and Fisher will need to boost their younger teammates’ confidence as the playoffs approach, but they also have one of the best coaches in NBA history on their side. If Bynum can regain his pre-injury form, no one is going to want to play these guys. It seems a stretch to expect the Lakers to put everything together this season, but take a look at the rest of the conference: A run to the NBA Finals isn’t out of the question.

SAN ANTONIO SPURS

Why the West should worry: Manu Ginobili is having the best season of his career, statistically. Tim Duncan remains one of the most dominant big men in the game. Ime Udoka looks like a good minimum-salary pickup. Oh, and they’re the defending champions. The core of their roster has won three titles in five years. That’s a lot of playoff battles.

Why the Spurs should worry: Gregg Popovich has long considered field-goal percentage defense a barometer of the team’s success. The Spurs have routinely ranked in the top three in that category during Duncan’s tenure. This season? They’re ranked 19th. Tony Parker is sidelined with a sore left heel and Duncan and Ginobili previously had their own injury problems. Damon Stoudamire is a nice fill-in for Parker, but brings his own liabilities.

Outlook: The Spurs’ primary goal is to get healthy so they can better assess their roster. But that hasn’t stopped them from already looking for help. They had interest in Kyle Korver, but didn’t want to surrender a first-round draft pick to Philadelphia. Mike Miller has been discussed in recent conversations and Phoenix’s acquisition of Shaquille O’Neal also could prompt Spurs to look for size. Regardless, the Spurs have historically begun to peak after the All-Star break, so it would be wise not to count them out just yet.


Johnny Ludden is the NBA editor for Yahoo! Sports. Send Johnny a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.

T Park
02-07-2008, 05:55 PM
Mike Miller has been discussed in recent conversations

wow

niiiiceeee :smokin

CaptainLate
02-07-2008, 05:55 PM
O'Neal trade shifts conference landscape

By Johnny Ludden, Yahoo! Sports
February 7, 2008

[snip]

SAN ANTONIO SPURS

Why the West should worry: Manu Ginobili is having the best season of his career, statistically. Tim Duncan remains one of the most dominant big men in the game. Ime Udoka looks like a good minimum-salary pickup. Oh, and they’re the defending champions. The core of their roster has won three titles in five years. That’s a lot of playoff battles.

Why the Spurs should worry: Gregg Popovich has long considered field-goal percentage defense a barometer of the team’s success. The Spurs have routinely ranked in the top three in that category during Duncan’s tenure. This season? They’re ranked 19th. Tony Parker is sidelined with a sore left heel and Duncan and Ginobili previously had their own injury problems. Damon Stoudamire is a nice fill-in for Parker, but brings his own liabilities.

Outlook: The Spurs’ primary goal is to get healthy so they can better assess their roster. But that hasn’t stopped them from already looking for help. They had interest in Kyle Korver, but didn’t want to surrender a first-round draft pick to Philadelphia. Mike Miller has been discussed in recent conversations and Phoenix’s acquisition of Shaquille O’Neal also could prompt Spurs to look for size. Regardless, the Spurs have historically begun to peak after the All-Star break, so it would be wise not to count them out just yet.

"...the Jazz are 16-2 since Kyle Korver joined the rotation. After a difficult opening schedule, Utah has found some traction, putting together a 10-game winning streak....Korver is already looking like one of the season’s best acquisitions; on Wednesday he scored 27 points to beat Northwest rival Denver."

Was Kyle Korver worth a first-round pick...the picks we routinely trade away to save Holt money? Maybe the problem was what year the Sixers wanted that pick? :(

Bruno
02-07-2008, 05:56 PM
They had interest in Kyle Korver, but didn’t want to surrender a first-round draft pick to Philadelphia. Mike Miller has been discussed in recent conversations

I hope Spurs are ready to give up a first round pick for Miller. He is significantly better than Korver.

T Park
02-07-2008, 05:57 PM
Prob it was Barry and a first rounder.

Spurs have prob learned their lesson in throwing around first rounders.


Maybe the problem was what year the Sixers wanted that pick?

Probobly this year's pick.

T Park
02-07-2008, 05:57 PM
I hope Spurs are ready to give up a first round pick for Miller. He is significantly better than Korver.

Agreed.

Mike Miller now that you look at it logically on the Spurs would be great. He rebounds decently. Dunno how he is defensively. Him and Oberto can share headbands.

Its perfect.

timvp
02-07-2008, 06:04 PM
Mike Miller would be the dream acquisition. If the Spurs can get him, they need to get it done. Barry, Elson and a first rounder for Miller is a trade I'd do in a heartbeat.

If the Grizzlies wanted Mahinmi or Splitter, I'd probably listen. Two first round draft picks? It'd be hard to say no.

Cry Havoc
02-07-2008, 06:06 PM
I'd give two first rounders + Horry + Elson + Vaughn for Miller. Or something of the like. Miller would fit PERFECTLY into our system.

timvp
02-07-2008, 06:06 PM
Barry and a first for Korver wouldn't have been that bad. Of course I'd rather have Miller but Korver might have been the second best swingman on the market in terms of coming in and fitting into the Spurs system.

Bruno
02-07-2008, 06:12 PM
My "dream" trade deadline scenario :
Trade Elson + Barry + First round pick for Miller.
Send Pop to PJ Brown home to sign him

Even Holt would be happy because Spurs would be below the luxury tax.

timvp
02-07-2008, 06:13 PM
Trade Elson + Barry + Elson + First round pick for Miller.:lol

Classic. And you used to be an Elson fan :)

Kori Ellis
02-07-2008, 06:13 PM
Trade Elson + Barry + Elson + First round pick for Miller.


Trading Elson twice is a good idea :) make sure he's really gone.

Joe Schmoogins
02-07-2008, 06:16 PM
My "dream" trade deadline scenario :
Trade Elson + Barry + Elson + First round pick for Miller.
Send Pop to PJ Brown home to sign him

Even Holt would be happy because Spurs would be below the luxury tax.


elson + barry + elson?

I'd do that too if I had the opportunity to get rid of elson twice.

Ed Helicopter Jones
02-07-2008, 06:17 PM
Trading Elson twice is a good idea :) make sure he's really gone. :lol




The Miller trade idea is obviously good for the Spurs. PJ Brown couldn't be any worse than Elson as a FA pickup.

Let's do it...what the hell. :)

timvp
02-07-2008, 06:17 PM
Here is the dream trade from the Grizzlies point of view. Would you do it as a Spurs fan?

Barry + Elson + either Bonner, Horry or Finley for Miller + Cardinal

Cardinal has $13M over two years left on his contract :vomit:

I'm pretty sure the Grizzlies would jump all over that offer.

Bruno
02-07-2008, 06:18 PM
:lol

Classic. And you used to be an Elson fan :)

:depressed

ChumpDumper
02-07-2008, 06:18 PM
Yeah, Elson + Barry + 1st rounder + cash for Miller + Andre Brown (to see what he's got if nothing else, especially if PJ Brown and Dale Davis stay retired) would be very nice.

Amuseddaysleeper
02-07-2008, 06:18 PM
:lol

Bruno
02-07-2008, 06:22 PM
Yeah, Elson + Barry + 1st rounder + cash for Miller + Andre Brown (to see what he's got if nothing else, especially if PJ Brown and Dale Davis stay retired) would be very nice.

The trouble is that if you take Brown, it puts Spurs over the tax. Is he worth $3M ?

Amuseddaysleeper
02-07-2008, 06:24 PM
but would the grizz even want barry and elson? and with the flurry of trades in the past week, I'd imagine Miller's value has risen if some GM's out west feel the need to force a trade

timvp
02-07-2008, 06:25 PM
Hey Bruno, this trade would work, right?

Barry + Elson + Bonner + re-signed Van Exel (a la Aaron McKie) for Miller + Cardinal

That looks like a realistic trade that the Grizzlies would be all over. It'd be a risky trade for the Spurs just because of chemistry issues but I'd probably do it. In this scenario, I doubt the Grizzlies would be able to squeeze out any draft picks.

But yeah, the Spurs would need to follow it up by bringing in PJ Brown, Dale Davis ... or even Tony Massenburg.

timvp
02-07-2008, 06:26 PM
but would the grizz even want barry and elson? and with the flurry of trades in the past week, I'd imagine Miller's value has risen if some GM's out west feel the need to force a tradeThese trades are all assuming the Grizz will want to salary dump Miller. The only value Barry or Elson would bring to Memphis would be their expiring contracts.

Amuseddaysleeper
02-07-2008, 06:28 PM
ahhh, I see


thanks

ChumpDumper
02-07-2008, 06:28 PM
The trouble is that if you take Brown, it puts Spurs over the tax. Is he worth $3M ?Right. I said it would be nice. Not feasible.

We're a little boned in the size department if the old vets don't want to leave their rocking chairs. Of course there are a couple of big boys in the D-League that might rebound as well as Brown without going over the tax. James Lang (still fat but still effective), Chris Alexander (legit center who has been pretty impressive since the showcase) and Rod Benson (averaging a double-double and about as athletic as Elson) would be the cheap roster fill-ins to check out. Lance Allred is ok too though he's more of a scorer than anything.

Bruno
02-07-2008, 06:34 PM
Hey Bruno, this trade would work, right?

Barry + Elson + Bonner + re-signed Van Exel (a la Aaron McKie) for Miller + Cardinal


Barry : $5.55M
Elson : $3M
Bonner : $2M (BYC)
NVE : $1.45M (max allowed)

Total : $12M
Miller + Cardinal : $14.1M.

Yes, it works.

T Park
02-07-2008, 06:35 PM
Hey Bruno, this trade would work, right?

Barry + Elson + Bonner + re-signed Van Exel (a la Aaron McKie) for Miller + Cardinal

That looks like a realistic trade that the Grizzlies would be all over. It'd be a risky trade for the Spurs just because of chemistry issues but I'd probably do it. In this scenario, I doubt the Grizzlies would be able to squeeze out any draft picks.

But yeah, the Spurs would need to follow it
up by bringing in PJ Brown, Dale Davis ... or even Tony Massenburg.


Do that trade, sign PJ brown.

ring # 5 would be upon us.

T Park
02-07-2008, 06:36 PM
Thats all assuming the Grizzlies would want Matt Bonner.

Bruno
02-07-2008, 06:37 PM
We're a little boned in the size department if the old vets don't want to leave their rocking chairs. Of course there are a couple of big boys in the D-League that might rebound as well as Brown without going over the tax.

Don't you think spurs will be more looking for a defender than a rebounder ?

ChumpDumper
02-07-2008, 06:37 PM
Barry : $5.55M
Elson : $3M
Bonner : $2M (BYC)
NVE : $1.45M (max allowed)

Total : $12M
Miller + Cardinal : $14.1M.

Yes, it works.They should swap first rounders with us if we are going to save them that much money.

T Park
02-07-2008, 06:40 PM
Doubtfull they'd give up that lottery pick.

ChumpDumper
02-07-2008, 06:41 PM
Don't you think spurs will be more looking for a defender than a rebounder ?I think Lang and Alexander would be defensive choices against the big players. We'd take Benson if we wanted to push the pace like we do with Elson. They just all happen to rebound very well, which is Andre Brown's biggest asset.

ChumpDumper
02-07-2008, 06:42 PM
Doubtfull they'd give up that lottery pick.You're probably right, but that is a ton of money we'd be saving them. Maybe work out some protection for it for a couple of years.

T Park
02-07-2008, 06:44 PM
Lottery protection this year, all out next year.

I could go for that. Didn't they get the Laker's first round pick also?

What the hell, throw that one in there.

Getting a late first round selection is better than none at all.

Ed Helicopter Jones
02-07-2008, 06:44 PM
I don't see the Spurs FO wanting to pick up Cardinal's salary. In fact that would shock me.

T Park
02-07-2008, 06:44 PM
Unforunately I also can't see Pop or anyone else taking back Brian Cardinal.

I mean whats the difference between him and Pittsnogle other than the really cool name.

T Park
02-07-2008, 06:45 PM
I don't see the Spurs FO wanting to pick up Cardinal's salary. In fact that would shock me.
Great minds think alike Eddy :)

Bruno
02-07-2008, 06:49 PM
If Grizz hadn't succeed at packaging Cardinal with Gasol, I doubt they will be able to do it with Miller.
I don't think Spurs are ready to take Cardinal to get Miller.
Cardinal is worthless so taking him will be like paying $15M or $16M per year for Miller.
Miller isn't worth that much money.

MaNu4Tres
02-07-2008, 06:57 PM
I've said this about a week ago. Mike Miller for Barry Elson 1st round pick. Screw Cardinal's salary. Give Memphis all of our picks in this year's draft.

T Park
02-07-2008, 06:59 PM
Screw Cardinal's salary

Easy to say.

If they say to get Miller you gotta take Cardinal, and you say no, they say no deal, what do you do?

Ed Helicopter Jones
02-07-2008, 07:01 PM
Cardinal is worthless so taking him will be like paying $15M or $16M per year for Miller.
Miller isn't worth that much money.

Well put.

ChumpDumper
02-07-2008, 07:03 PM
What if we did get a protected lottery pick out of it?

Remember, this is not a basketball trade for Memphis.

Ed Helicopter Jones
02-07-2008, 07:07 PM
I had to look up Cardinal's stats. He's a career 6 pt, 3 rebounds a game guy. His best year was 9.6 pts and 4.2 boards in '03-'04 with Golden State. He's getting a whopping 3 pts per game this year.

His agent must be a god.

MaNu4Tres
02-07-2008, 07:09 PM
I know it's easy to say. But if Memphis refuses to give us Mike Miller without Cardinal's contract. I know the Spurs brass would drop out. Especially with Holt's penny pinching ways.

ChumpDumper
02-07-2008, 07:12 PM
I know it's easy to say. But if Memphis refuses to give us Mike Miller without Cardinal's contract. I know the Spurs brass would drop out. Especially with Holt's penny pinching ways.If the Spurs stayed under the tax threshold, there wouldn't be much reason for Holt to deny it.

timvp
02-07-2008, 07:18 PM
If Grizz hadn't succeed at packaging Cardinal with Gasol, I doubt they will be able to do it with Miller.
I don't think Spurs are ready to take Cardinal to get Miller.
Cardinal is worthless so taking him will be like paying $15M or $16M per year for Miller.
Miller isn't worth that much money.The other way to think of it is to factor in how much else the Spurs would have to give the Grizzlies without taking back Cardinal. If the Grizzlies say okay we'll take Elson, Barry, a first rounder, your second rounder from the Raptors and either Mahinmi or Splitter ... I'm not sure that's any better than just biting the bullet on Cardinals contract.

If it's as simple as Elson, Barry and a first rounder, that's a no-brainer. But I think the Grizzlies would want more and would likely go for either Splitter or Mahinmi, whichever they rank higher. And seeing how they just traded for Gasol's brother, I'm guessing they'd want Splitter since it's obvious they watch international basketball. Giving up Splitter as a sweetener in a deal would kinda suck. I'd probably rather just see Cardinal rot on the bench.

timvp
02-07-2008, 07:20 PM
Barry : $5.55M
Elson : $3M
Bonner : $2M (BYC)
NVE : $1.45M (max allowed)

Total : $12M
Miller + Cardinal : $14.1M.

Yes, it works.Thanks :tu

The only part of that trade that doesn't make sense is it'd push the Spurs even further over the luxury tax threshold. The Spurs would basically be spending like $35M for Miller for two seasons :lol

T Park
02-07-2008, 07:21 PM
Giving up Splitter as a sweetener in a deal would kinda suck.

No way I'd do it then.

Splitter is gonna be the starting center on this team for a while due to the now resurgence twords BIG centers and thats what Splitter is.

Splitter Elson Barry for just a guard?

Mahinmi ain't gonna guard the BIG BIGS well. Theres no younger centers better to get than Splitter himself.

Bad move it would be IMO.

T Park
02-07-2008, 07:21 PM
The Spurs would basically be spending like $35M for Miller for two seasons

Money wise...

Miller = Marion?

Bruno
02-07-2008, 07:23 PM
I had to look up Cardinal's stats. He's a career 6 pt, 3 rebounds a game guy. His best year was 9.6 pts and 4.2 boards in '03-'04 with Golden State. He's getting a whopping 3 pts per game this year.

His agent must be a god.

Cardinal's contract story is freaking funny.


An exceptionally well-connected league insider once told me the story of how Brian Cardinal got his mid-level. Seems Memphis owner Michael Heisley, frustrated by general manager Jerry West's lack of activity, walked into West's office one day and asked why he hadn't signed anyone yet. So an exasperated West picked up his phone, called Cardinal's agent and offered the mid-level on the spot. Then he turned to Heisley and said something along the lines of "There, you happy now?"

http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/archives/2007/07/jump_the_gun_an.html

Bruno
02-07-2008, 07:31 PM
The other way to think of it is to factor in how much else the Spurs would have to give the Grizzlies without taking back Cardinal. If the Grizzlies say okay we'll take Elson, Barry, a first rounder, your second rounder from the Raptors and either Mahinmi or Splitter ... I'm not sure that's any better than just biting the bullet on Cardinals contract.


I think that taking Cardinal's contract is like giving 4 late first round picks to Grizzlies.
I don't think that Miller is worth that much.

Phenomanul
02-07-2008, 07:59 PM
Miller would not help us get a title this year.... As a wing, Mike Miller would not be an asset until next year. Moving off the ball, off of double screens, etc... requires extensive knowledge of our playbook and it's something he would need at least a year to learn.

That would be strictly a trade for the future and going through with it would cause the Spurs to lose their most prolific 3pt threat. It's about time Barry starts to get Steve Kerr treatment around here.

wildbill2u
02-07-2008, 08:04 PM
I haven't heard any trade that really knocks my socks off and makes me think it would be the key to winning the championship this year or next.

Better to dance with the girl you brought to the dance. Next year we'll be in better shape with Splitter coming in, Ian maybe making a move, and some draft picks and cap space.

T Park
02-07-2008, 08:08 PM
cap space.

There is no cap space.

Joe Schmoogins
02-07-2008, 08:21 PM
I haven't heard any trade that really knocks my socks off and makes me think it would be the key to winning the championship this year or next.

Better to dance with the girl you brought to the dance. Next year we'll be in better shape with Splitter coming in, Ian maybe making a move, and some draft picks and cap space.

agreed...