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xrayzebra
02-09-2008, 10:32 AM
I don't know how Head Priest Gore and his flock are
going to handle this. I mean these guys are saying
that the sun does make a difference and we may be
headed into Global COOLING. Oh, boy!

The Sun Also Sets

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Climate Change: Not every scientist is part of Al Gore's mythical "consensus." Scientists worried about a new ice age seek funding to better observe something bigger than your SUV — the sun.



Back in 1991, before Al Gore first shouted that the Earth was in the balance, the Danish Meteorological Institute released a study using data that went back centuries that showed that global temperatures closely tracked solar cycles.

To many, those data were convincing. Now, Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and better "eyes" with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact on Earth's climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our planet combined.

And they're worried about global cooling, not warming.

Kenneth Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada's National Research Council, is among those looking at the sun for evidence of an increase in sunspot activity.

Solar activity fluctuates in an 11-year cycle. But so far in this cycle, the sun has been disturbingly quiet. The lack of increased activity could signal the beginning of what is known as a Maunder Minimum, an event which occurs every couple of centuries and can last as long as a century.

Such an event occurred in the 17th century. The observation of sunspots showed extraordinarily low levels of magnetism on the sun, with little or no 11-year cycle.

This solar hibernation corresponded with a period of bitter cold that began around 1650 and lasted, with intermittent spikes of warming, until 1715. Frigid winters and cold summers during that period led to massive crop failures, famine and death in Northern Europe.

Tapping reports no change in the sun's magnetic field so far this cycle and warns that if the sun remains quiet for another year or two, it may indicate a repeat of that period of drastic cooling of the Earth, bringing massive snowfall and severe weather to the Northern Hemisphere.

Tapping oversees the operation of a 60-year-old radio telescope that he calls a "stethoscope for the sun." But he and his colleagues need better equipment.

In Canada, where radio-telescopic monitoring of the sun has been conducted since the end of World War II, a new instrument, the next-generation solar flux monitor, could measure the sun's emissions more rapidly and accurately.

As we have noted many times, perhaps the biggest impact on the Earth's climate over time has been the sun.

For instance, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth's temperature over the last 100 years.

R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada's Carleton University, says that "CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet's climate on long, medium and even short time scales."

Rather, he says, "I and the first-class scientists I work with are consistently finding excellent correlations between the regular fluctuations of the sun and earthly climate. This is not surprising. The sun and the stars are the ultimate source of energy on this planet."

Patterson, sharing Tapping's concern, says: "Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to unusually cool conditions on Earth."

"Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before, and it most likely will again," Patterson says. "If we were to have even a medium-sized solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than 'global warming' would have had."

In 2005, Russian astronomer Khabibullo Abdusamatov made some waves — and not a few enemies in the global warming "community" — by predicting that the sun would reach a peak of activity about three years from now, to be accompanied by "dramatic changes" in temperatures.

A Hoover Institution Study a few years back examined historical data and came to a similar conclusion.

"The effects of solar activity and volcanoes are impossible to miss. Temperatures fluctuated exactly as expected, and the pattern was so clear that, statistically, the odds of the correlation existing by chance were one in 100," according to Hoover fellow Bruce Berkowitz.

The study says that "try as we might, we simply could not find any relationship between industrial activity, energy consumption and changes in global temperatures."

The study concludes that if you shut down all the world's power plants and factories, "there would not be much effect on temperatures."

But if the sun shuts down, we've got a problem. It is the sun, not the Earth, that's hanging in the balance.

PEP
02-09-2008, 11:06 AM
Halleluia, haaaalllleeellluiiiaaaa.......

Extra Stout
02-09-2008, 12:37 PM
"Scientists...seek funding"

That's all you need to know right there.

PixelPusher
02-09-2008, 03:45 PM
As we have noted many times, perhaps the biggest impact on the Earth's climate over time has been the sun.

Yes, I have noted that all of these "science" articles that ray posts are from "Investors Business Daily".

The Sun
02-09-2008, 03:49 PM
As we have noted many times, perhaps the biggest impact on the Earth's climate over time has been the sun.

I'm just doing my job.

BonnerDynasty
02-09-2008, 06:37 PM
"Scientists...seek funding"

That's all you need to know right there.

Yep.

Goes for both sides of the argument on "Global Warming" though!

Wild Cobra
02-09-2008, 10:42 PM
How many of those things have I said from time to time?

BradLohaus
02-11-2008, 01:21 AM
The idea that man is causing a climate crisis that will eventually cause a global catastrophe is a scam. It’s not a scam in the sense that the people leading the movement are all liars; there are plenty of hardcore true believers like Al Gore. It’s a scam because the global leaders of the “Stop Global Cooling/Warming/Climate Change” movement have much bigger ideas and goals than that. Stopping climate change isn’t the goal; it’s a tool, an excuse that they are using to achieve their goal. The ultimate goal is UN control of the entire global ecosystem, and thus everyone in it, along with reductions in global population and industry. They seem to really believe that if those things don’t happen then the earth, and therefore mankind, is basically screwed. They state that individual nations are incapable of dealing with this threat (“global problems require global solutions”), and national sovereignty must be altered so that the entire world recognizes that there is a global authority that is over every individual nation so that the planet can be saved.

The global cooling/warming/climate change movement appears to have started with the founding of the Club of Rome, an international group made up of politicians, scientists, businessmen, economists, etc. who like to publish reports about how there’s too many people on earth, and how we are on our way to a planet wide doomsday if we don’t listen to them and do what they say. It’s no surprise that the UN took up the cause, since many UN bureaucrats are affiliated with the Club of Rome.

I did a search for the Club of Rome and included their report The First Global Revolution in the search and this article came up. I think the author did a good job of sticking to the facts and not straying into speculation.

http://green-agenda.com/globalrevolution.html

At the end he links to another page of his where he lists a lot of quotations from people high up in all of this. Read what these people think.

http://green-agenda.com/index.html

xrayzebra
02-11-2008, 10:35 AM
Interesting little article from this mornings "Express-News".

This guy writes about what he observes. Calls himself "The
Country Scientist". I love the "amount" of rise in temperature.
And his own observations about the 'drop' in temperature.
Anyhow, enjoy.


Country Scientist: Temperature trends for San Antonio show slight increase

Web Posted: 02/11/2008 01:52 AM CST

Express-News

During the unusually hot summer of 2006, a TV weatherman announced the arrival of global warming in San Antonio.

But global warming is a gradual phenomenon. Was the near-record heat in San Antonio during the summer of 2006 caused by the sudden arrival of global warming or by weather? And why was 2007 cooler than the long-term average?

My personal records go back only to 1990, and they show that the temperature has dropped 2 degrees over the past 18 years.

But this is the temperature I measure only at noon. So I went to a more authoritative source, the National Weather Service.

The weather service's Web site provides weather records collected from San Antonio since official measurements were begun by the U.S. Army Signal Corps at Fort Sam Houston in 1885. Beginning in 1891, weather was monitored at the Weather Bureau office, which occupied various places in downtown San Antonio from 1891 to 1941, when it was moved to Stinson Field.

Starting in 1942, weather conditions were monitored from San Antonio International Airport, where they have been observed ever since.

The National Weather Service Web site gives the monthly and annual averages of temperature at San Antonio. The annual averages provide a way to visualize the temperature trend, so I downloaded the data into a spreadsheet. The graph at right shows the result.

The graph includes two lines that jump up and down through the past 122 years. The line showing the largest excursions is the annual temperature. The smoother line is the 10-year running average. This smoothes the data to better show any trends. The straight line is the 122-year average (69.1 degrees).

Notice the temperature jumps around quite a lot from year to year. Of more importance is that the record includes three eras of a decade or more when the temperature was generally above or below the long-term average.

During the ongoing warm period that began around 1990, the trend has been virtually flat. The near record warming of 2006 was balanced by cooling after the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in 1991 and the El Niño of 1997.

The graph shows that the temperature during the 1930s was slightly warmer than the current warm period, at least so far. It also shows the cooling of the 1950s-1970s. Back then, two scientists caused a stir when they predicted the possibility of a new ice age in Science, the world's leading science journal.

So what's the verdict on temperature measured at San Antonio? During the 122 years since 1885, the temperature trend has been a modest warming of 0.22 degree Fahrenheit with no significant trend since 1990.

So what, if anything, does all this tell us about global warming? And why did the temperature where I reside fall 2 degrees since 1990, a period during which San Antonio's trend has been much flatter? Next week I'll offer some explanations.

Forrest M. Mims III and his science are featured at www.forrestmims.org. E-mail him at [email protected]. The Country Scientist appears Mondays.

Online at: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA021108.6R.country_scientist.29c71d1.html