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boutons_
02-16-2008, 02:33 PM
More US Troops Seen in Iraq by Summer





By Andrew Gray
Reuters

Friday 15 February 2008

Washington - The United States will probably have more troops in Iraq this summer than it did before pouring in forces last year - even after a planned drawdown, a U.S. general said on Friday.

There were some 132,000 U.S. troops in Iraq before President George W. Bush ordered a surge of about 30,000 more to curb rampant violence that threatened to plunge the country into all-out civil war.

By summer, U.S. commanders plan to have withdrawn more than 20,000 combat troops deployed as part of the surge. But officials indicated some support units sent around the same time would remain or be replaced.

"It's likely that... the (total) number will be a little bit larger than the 132,000 or so that was the number of personnel on the ground pre-surge," said Army Lt. Gen. Carter Ham, director of operations on the Pentagon's Joint Staff.

Sattler said he could not be more precise yet as commanders had still to complete their plans, but a Pentagon source said the number could be as high as 140,000.

At the same news briefing, Marine Corps Lt. Gen. John Sattler said Iraqi forces would continue to need substantial help from U.S. support troops in areas such as logistics.

"We will still be required for a period of time to provide those enablers," said Sattler, the Joint Staff's director of strategic plans and policy.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates, on a visit to Baghdad this week, backed the idea of a pause in drawdowns after the extra combat troops have pulled out.

That increased the prospect that troop levels could still be around 130,000 when Americans choose a successor to Bush in early November.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-iraq-usa-troops.html

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well, well, well, this is the first surprise of the entire Iraqi oil-grab war. Something announced for short-term benefit turns out to be open-ended long-term and/or totally ineffective (the surge has failed) and/or has horrible side-effects.

And the military told us last year that the Army would "break" in April 07. So we'll see in April how that prediction works out.

LaMarcus Bryant
02-16-2008, 03:39 PM
So you're rooting for AlQaeda, right?

whottt
02-16-2008, 07:09 PM
boutons wants China, Iran, Europe and Al Qaeda to surpass the US as the leaders of the free world...because that's the kind of piece of shit he is. He thinks we'll be better off.

Aggie Hoopsfan
02-16-2008, 07:21 PM
Allah ahkbar. Death to Amerika

boutons_
02-16-2008, 07:35 PM
No comments on the article itself?

Of course not, dubyasuckers.

Iraq is fucked and broken, oppressively occupied, and wil be for decades, is not "won" nor "free" nor "democratic". Your boys dubya and dickhead, and you their enablers, are 100% responsible, not boutons.

whottt
02-16-2008, 08:07 PM
Iraq is fucked and broken, oppressively occupied, and wil be for decades, is not "won" nor "free" nor "democratic". Your boys dubya and dickhead, and you their enablers, are 100% responsible, not boutons.


And even if you are right...this differs from Iraq before we went in there exactly..........how?

Be sure to check the infant mortality rates.



IF only your mom had flushed....

spurster
02-17-2008, 12:06 AM
Unfortunately, Colin Powells quote "if you break it, you fix it" has become our curse.

If we leave Iraq too soon, there will be bloody civil war in Iraq that we'll get blamed for.

If we stay in Iraq as long as needed to avoid this, the US will be financially strained or worse (think USSR and Afghanistan), the armed forces will be stressed beyond their limits (who wants to join and spend years in conflict), and Afghanistan and the Taliban and OBL will remain beyond our control or reach.

This is BushCo's legacy. We have no solutions, just horrible alternatives.

Aggie Hoopsfan
02-17-2008, 12:14 AM
No comments on the article itself?

Of course not, dubyasuckers.

Iraq is fucked and broken, oppressively occupied, and wil be for decades, is not "won" nor "free" nor "democratic". Your boys dubya and dickhead, and you their enablers, are 100% responsible, not boutons.

Why should I comment on the article? It is bullshit.

As I told you on the other thread last week (where you ran away like a little girl when I got into world history with you), Iraq has always been and will continue to be fucked in its current iteration, thanks to France and England and how they carved that area up after WWI.

Bush fucked up on this one, but 1) he's not the one to fuck up the country, it was already fucked and 2) this article saying the surge isn't working is bullshit.

The people on the ground are saying it's working, it's just douches like those writing for the NYT who are fucking idiots and want to see us fail who are calling it a failure.

Cant_Be_Faded
02-17-2008, 01:19 AM
lol
boutons is quickly forcing me to become pro-war