Who got the better end of the Kidd trade?

[manufor3]

explain in your answer. :elephant

[manufor3]

new jersey for me because they build for the future

[monosylab1k]

Dallas because they're going for a title that never would have come with Devin Harris.

New Jersey is getting a good, not great, point guard who in my opinion isn't going to get much better. It took him 4 years to get to this level.

[MrChug]

I don't really think that New Jersey got the "better" of the trade, just that Dallas IMHO got worse.

[Purple & Gold]

If the Mavs don't win a ring this year or next, then NJ definitely got the best of this trade.

[remingtonbo2001]

Right now, Dallas.

After this season, New Jersey.

[baseline bum]

Hell of a gamble for Dallas. I thought they were pretty close as they stood.

New Jersey got a great deal. They had to move Kidd, and to get a young point with the potential of Harris' plus a big man and some picks was a pretty nice score.

[Findog]

Each team got what they were looking for: New Jersey is rebuilding and now has their PG of the future. Dallas is going for it all now and Kidd at the moment is an upgrade over Harris.

[LazinessThievery]

Along with their perimeter D, the Mavs decreased the quality of their post D at a time when LAL added Gasol to Bynum and PHI added Shaq to Stoudemire and while HOU still has Yao, UT still has Okur, Boozer, and Millsap, and SA still has Duncan. Stupid stupid move. Improved post D is what we thought should be a priority after the debacle of the Jamison/Antoine Walker/LaFrentz-at-C days, hence the dumping of Nash and the signing of Damp, and now we've 180'd. Stupid stupid...

[Findog]

I'm pretty sure they're not done tweaking the roster. If we can coax PJ Brown or player of similar caliber to come play 15 minutes a night for us for the next 3 months, can we stop hearing about how insurmountable the loss of DeSagana Fucking Diop is?

I've talked myself into this trade, I'm excited!

[mavsfan1000]

Dallas because they're going for a title that never would have come with Devin Harris.

New Jersey is getting a good, not great, point guard who in my opinion isn't going to get much better. It took him 4 years to get to this level.
I disagree. I thought Dallas had a good shot with Harris. Harris will be a great point guard once he gets the freedom to play his style just like Nash.

[himat]

I am going to say this: Devean George actually helped the Mavs. Instead of trading Stack and Devean they got rid of Vanhorn, Hassel, and Ager.

[The Franchise]

I don't really think that New Jersey got the "better" of the trade, just that Dallas IMHO got worse.
I have to agree with you sir.

[LazinessThievery]

The women of NJ got the better end of the deal for sure...

[Findog]

The women of NJ got the better end of the deal for sure...


Welcome to SpursTalk, Joumana.

[monosylab1k]

I didn't realize being a saint was a prerequisite for being a great basketball player. It's news to Michael Jordan, that's for sure.

[Shank]

I like how everyone thinks they just went headlong into this trade without recognizing that they'd have to replace Diop. If this trade has been floating around for a few weeks, certainly there have also been works to get another center. I think we'll see the Mavs make another move shortly.

[Hemotivo]

The women of NJ got the better end of the deal for sure...
:lol :wtf

[LazinessThievery]

Welcome to SpursTalk, Joumana.

Thanks Jason.

[LazinessThievery]

I didn't realize being a saint was a prerequisite for being a great basketball player. It's news to Michael Jordan, that's for sure.

I didn't realize it was ok to be a wife-beater as long as you played sports.

[monosylab1k]

I didn't realize it was ok to be a wife-beater as long as you played sports.
It's not. If you're looking for sports figures to set the example for the rest of society then you've got some fucked up priorities.

I'm watching Jason Kidd play basketball, not be president of the United States. I don't approve of his off-court behavior, but I could give a crap what he does with his personal life, as long as it doesn't affect the Mavericks.

[LazinessThievery]

It's not. If you're looking for sports figures to set the example for the rest of society then you've got some fucked up priorities.

So it's ok for sports figures to punch their wives in front of their two-year old sons because hey, that's how it is in society, got ya..... :toast


I'm watching Jason Kidd play basketball, not be president of the United States. I don't approve of his off-court behavior, but I could give a crap what he does with his personal life, as long as it doesn't affect the Mavericks.

So if your colleague at work likes to rape little kids, it's ok with you as long as he's productive and replaces the water cooler jug when it's empty, got ya.....
:toast

[monosylab1k]

So it's ok for sports figures to punch their wives in front of their two-year old sons because hey, that's how it is in society, got ya..... :toast
That's the exact opposite of what I said you stupid fuck. Learn to fuckin read.

Sports figures can do whatever the fuck they want, and if you're so concerned with what they do off the court then your priorities in life are for shit. They're getting paid to perform a bullshit task in life that doesn't affect anybody but other basketball players.

If he's mayor of Dallas then I don't want him beating women. If he's lobbing passes to Dirk, then what he does with his personal life is his own business.

[monosylab1k]

So if your colleague at work likes to rape little kids, it's ok with you as long as he's productive and replaces the water cooler jug when it's empty, got ya.....
:toast
If I find that out, I'll call the cops on him just like the cops were called on Kidd. But I won't say he's unqualified to replace a water cooler because of it. Unqualified to babysit kids sure. If there's a way to ban Jason Kidd from being around women then go for it.

But how the fuck does that have anything to do with his job of playing basketball?

[bostonguy]

Depends if Kidd shoots some shots over Dwight Howard in the finals with Bynum being courtside as Jeff tells the world "no surprises here"

[LazinessThievery]

That's the exact opposite of what I said you stupid fuck. Learn to fuckin read.

Sports figures can do whatever the fuck they want, and if you're so concerned with what they do off the court then your priorities in life are for shit. They're getting paid to perform a bullshit task in life that doesn't affect anybody but other basketball players.

If he's mayor of Dallas then I don't want him beating women. If he's lobbing passes to Dirk, then what he does with his personal life is his own business.

Lol, now with the :ihit spazzing and the personal insults. Such a tough guy hiding behind a computer insulting people he'll never come into physical contact with lol...

So, you don't care if he beats women if he's a basketball player, but it's not ok if he's mayor, got ya...:toast

[monosylab1k]

So, you don't care if he beats women if he's a basketball player, but it's not ok if he's mayor, got ya...:toast
yeah pretty much.

tell me, do you go on righteous crusades like this against every wifebeater alive? I'd love to hear you bitch about why Frank the plumber who lives in Fayetteville Arkansas shouldn't be a plumber because he beats his wife.

Or do you only care enough to post on a forum if it's a famous basketball player who beats their wife? Oh, that IS it, got ya...:toast

[Findog]

If we follow Joumana's argument to its logical conclusion, then Jason Kidd should never again be allowed to practice his vocation because of what he did that night. I don't remember the disposition of his case, but it worked its way through the courts and he got whatever the system had coming to him. He paid his debt to society.

By a lot of accounts, he's not exactly a stand-up guy off the court, but I don't really care. He's not a schoolteacher or anything of similar importance...

[Findog]

He got probation, paid a fine and went to domestic violence counseling.

[LazinessThievery]

If I find that out, I'll call the cops on him just like the cops were called on Kidd. But I won't say he's unqualified to replace a water cooler because of it. Unqualified to babysit kids sure. If there's a way to ban Jason Kidd from being around women then go for it.

But how the fuck does that have anything to do with his job of playing basketball?

Yep, he might be a wife-beater but he's a good basketball player, so he should be allowed to keep playing basketball because hey, it's not about character, ability is all that matters. Pete Rose shouldn't have been banned from baseball for gambling on games, teams should be lining up for Barry Bonds even though he probably used steroids, Pacman Jones shouldn't have been suspended by the NFL for being involved in a bar fight and shooting that led to a guy getting paralyzed, Todd Bertuzzi shouldn't have been suspended by the NHL for breaking another player's neck, etc. Who cares if these guys have some uh, character issues? As long as they can play, they should play and be allowed to continue making their millions, got ya...:toast.

Doubt you'd be so much in Kidd's corner if SA or HOU or LAL or whoever got him and not us...

Keep :ihit away by the way, it's funny. I'm off...

[monosylab1k]

Yep, he might be a wife-beater but he's a good basketball player, so he should be allowed to keep playing basketball because hey, it's not about character, ability is all that matters. Pete Rose shouldn't have been banned from baseball for gambling on games, teams should be lining up for Barry Bonds even though he probably used steroids, Pacman Jones shouldn't have been suspended by the NFL for being involved in a bar fight and shooting that led to a guy getting paralyzed, Todd Bertuzzi shouldn't have been suspended by the NHL for breaking another player's neck, etc. Who cares if these guys have some uh, character issues? As long as they can play, they should play and be allowed to continue making their millions, got ya...:toast.
WOW....just wow....

Let them play all they want. If they face criminal charges, then they should be punished by the US justice system.

And last I checked, betting on games, using steroids, and assaulting players on the ice all directly affect their jobs. Which means they aren't qualified to play.

Beat women and you should be punished by the courts, but it doesn't disqualify you from being a basketball player.

Talk about not seeing the big picture...

[monosylab1k]

Doubt you'd be so much in Kidd's corner if SA or HOU or LAL or whoever got him and not us...
You doubt wrong stupid ass.

[monosylab1k]

judging by just how insanely lame and weak his posts are, his Jason Kidd hate, and his obsessive life for the :toast smiley, I'm 99% sure that LazinessThievery is Sun Fan trolling as a Mavs fan.

What a failed attempt. Better luck next time.

[debo]

the spurs

[LazinessThievery]

yeah pretty much.

tell me, do you go on righteous crusades like this against every wifebeater alive? I'd love to hear you bitch about why Frank the plumber who lives in Fayetteville Arkansas shouldn't be a plumber because he beats his wife.


If someone commits a crime, he or she often loses his job and goes to jail, so his/her employer has basically decided Frank the Plumber should no longer be a plumber while the police and the judge and jury have decided Frank the Plumber should no longer be allowed to be a plumber for the next few years. Seems like I don't have to bitch because the job is being done, not by me, but by those who represent my and society's interests, namely the police, judge, and jury. They took away the criminal's ability to continue doing his job and make money and have condemned him to wear the "criminal" label in the form of a permanent record, but in this case Kidd is still playing ball and making millions and his new team's fans just shrug their shoulders.

If I bonk you on the head with a pipe and leave you with a dent in your head for the rest of your life, I'm pretty sure you'd want to kill me but since that's not legal you'd at least want me to lose my job and any chance I have of making any money in order for me to continue to have a good life, and I'd totally understand that. But hey, since a total stranger was the victim here and the assailant was someone who plays for your oh-so-special team, he gets a free pass and should in fact be welcomed as a hero come to save your precious team. Got ya :toast.

Bottom line is I think character is important along with ability. You think ability is the only thing that matters. I think good basketball players who are also wife-beaters are not good people. You could care less that that basketball player beat his wife up in front of their 2-year old kid, as long as that player helps your team. Who cares if that player was a child molester instead or a rapist? If he's a good player, then he's ok with you. If that's the case, then that's that and it's pointless to keep arguing.

It's funny how SA has nothing but class players and keeps winning championship after championship, while DAL keeps dumping classy player after classy player like Finley and Nash and keeps choking and choking. I guess it's not surprising then that DAL goes out and adds a felon. If having barely any class doesn't work, then maybe losing whatever class you have left will...

[monosylab1k]

blah blah blah blah blah pointless bullshit about how important it is for basketball players to be upstanding citizens because they hold such importance to the development of our world blah blah blah blah blah blah blah :toast :toast :toast :toast :toast :toast :toast :toast :toast :toast :toast :toast :toast :toast :toast :toast :toast.
alot of words for a failed Sun Fan troll. get a clue about life and get back to me.

[Supergirl]

Not sure whether NJ got the better end, but Dallas sure got a lot worse.

Devin Harris was the chief reason the Mavs were so tough for the Spurs, esp in the 2006 West Finals. And Diop is their only credible defender against Duncan.

Kidd used to be an elite PG, but that ain't the Kidd the Mavs are getting. The Kidd the Mavs are getting is offensively WEAKER and less efficient than Harris, and old and slow.

Similar to the Suns signing an old, slow Shaq, this move reeks of desperation.

[Supergirl]

WOW....just wow....

Let them play all they want. If they face criminal charges, then they should be punished by the US justice system.


Yeah, like that's ever going to happen. When was the last time you saw a basketball player prosecuted for domestic violence charges? The NBA will do all it can to prevent that from ever happening.

[Supergirl]

If someone commits a crime, he or she often loses his job and goes to jail...

...I guess it's not surprising then that DAL goes out and adds a felon.

Um, most people out there who commit domestic violence don't lose their jobs, because most are held for 1-2 nights and then releases, and in most cases the charges are dropped. This is because the cycle of violence includes a "honeymoon" stage, which couples often revert back to after an incident, and during this phase women will often drop the charges and hope it won't happen again (which it usually does). Eventually she leaves, or she winds up dead.

And Jason Kidd was never charged with a felony, I believe charges were dropped or reduced after he completed counseling.

[monosylab1k]

Yeah, like that's ever going to happen. When was the last time you saw a basketball player prosecuted for domestic violence charges? The NBA will do all it can to prevent that from ever happening.
well that's a problem with the justice system, right?

[hater]

The Spurs

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alot of words for a failed Sun Fan troll. get a clue about life and get back to me.
Hmmm...

da_suns_fan?

dannyB?

Also... notice the complete absurdness of the posts, yet the rather good grammatical usage, spelling, and punctuation. Seems rather fitting for one of those two...

[ludda]

Both sides got a good deal. The Mavs lost matchup advantage against us, but is better overall if they can find a decent backup C (doubtful). Kidd even in his advanced, arthritic age >>> Harris. He's not a pussy for one and actually has something called court vision and passing skills. Anyone who says Devin Flopper Harris is better than Kidd is delusional. But you can make a case for whether or not the Mavs get better for what they gave up.

[SAGambler]

I think maybe in the short term, Dallas came out ahead. But I think looking to coming seasons, New Jersey was the winner.

I think what hurt the Mavs was the defense they lost against the Spurs. But we still have to play them a couple of times before playoffs, so I guess we will see. I know Kidd can't stay in front of Tony. And he isn't shooting at a high percent, so I suppose the Mavs think court vision and passing will make up for the things he has lost. I guess we will all find out soon.

[Supergirl]

Both sides got a good deal. The Mavs lost matchup advantage against us, but is better overall if they can find a decent backup C (doubtful). Kidd even in his advanced, arthritic age >>> Harris. He's not a pussy for one and actually has something called court vision and passing skills. Anyone who says Devin Flopper Harris is better than Kidd is delusional. But you can make a case for whether or not the Mavs get better for what they gave up.

Jason Kidd in his prime was better than Harris will ever be. But this is the 35-year-old Kidd, and he's now slow and offensively less effective and efficient as Harris. The numbers don't lie. And Harris is pretty decent defensively, though not as big and strong as Kidd. But he makes up for his size with his speed.

I don't see how the Mavs really NEEDED Kidd - except that the have this psychological chokehold on their team since collapsing the last 2 years in the playoffs. That's all Kidd gives them. But they gave up perimeter defense (Hassell), interior defense (Diop) and a PG who is 10 years younger. Is that worth it, for the psychological boost Kidd may bring them? Maybe. But I think it's pretty reasonable to question whether what they gave up is going to come back to bite them in a 7 game series in the playoffs.

[ElNono]

Jason Kidd in his prime was better than Harris will ever be. But this is the 35-year-old Kidd, and he's now slow and offensively less effective and efficient as Harris. The numbers don't lie. And Harris is pretty decent defensively, though not as big and strong as Kidd. But he makes up for his size with his speed.

I don't see how the Mavs really NEEDED Kidd - except that the have this psychological chokehold on their team since collapsing the last 2 years in the playoffs. That's all Kidd gives them. But they gave up perimeter defense (Hassell), interior defense (Diop) and a PG who is 10 years younger. Is that worth it, for the psychological boost Kidd may bring them? Maybe. But I think it's pretty reasonable to question whether what they gave up is going to come back to bite them in a 7 game series in the playoffs.

They needed Kidd because the experiment of Dirk being a leader and carrying them to a championship failed miserably. So you make some changes, hope for the best and move on. If they go ahead and win a championship now, would any of these opinions matter?

[monosylab1k]

The numbers don't lie.
numbers likes nearly averaging a triple-double? numbers like that?

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But they gave up perimeter defense (Hassell), interior defense (Diop) and a PG who is 10 years younger.
The fact that you even put Hassell into the discussion shows you don't know what you are talking about. Hassell almost never even played (i personally didn't understand why, but he didnt, and wasnt going to be used much.)

[Findog]

Hassell? Whatever, once you strip away the scrubs on both sides, they gave up Harris and a decent interior defender who plays 15 minutes a game. They are definitely trading tomorrow in exchange for today, but assuming we get a Dale Davis, a PJ Brown or a Johan Petro, then we are way fucking better. Harris gives Tony Parker fits, but that was just something Dallas is going to have to deal with to get better. I'm on this fucking bandwagon now.

[stretch]

I'm on this fucking bandwagon now.
It's about time, lol. The very first time I heard this trade, I didn't like it at all, as I think more and more about it, the better it gets to me. I think Kidd is going to have a massive impact. I can't wait till tonight!

[Findog]

It's about time, lol. The very first time I heard this trade, I didn't like it at all, as I think more and more about it, the better it gets to me. I think Kidd is going to have a massive impact. I can't wait till tonight!

Yeah, I went on stubhub and got tickets to the bulls game on Monday night. $35 a piece for section 310, but at least that's in the center and not behind the baselines.

[Brandon Bass]

It don't matter who we got baby, Dallas has the BASSHOLE! I'm gonna be bitch slappin some fools tonight!

[Supergirl]

The fact that you even put Hassell into the discussion shows you don't know what you are talking about. Hassell almost never even played (i personally didn't understand why, but he didnt, and wasnt going to be used much.)

Well, that simply shows how far the Mavs are from winning it all, because they brought Hassell in to be what he is - their version of Bowen, a lockdown perimeter defender. And they ain't going anywhere in the playoffs without someone like that. Now who do they have who can actually play defense? Seems to me they're giving away their best defenders, at a time when other teams are getting good ones, for a PG who was the best PG in the league FIVE YEARS AGO.

if I were a Mavs fan I think I'd be pissed. Because if the Mavs can't get lucky with matchups in the playoffs this year (which is the only way they'll even eke their way to the Finals) then they've fucked their team up for years to come.

[stretch]

Well, that simply shows how far the Mavs are from winning it all, because they brought Hassell in to be what he is - their version of Bowen, a lockdown perimeter defender.

Hassell wasn't playing like a lockdown perimeter defender. Thats why they got rid of him. You seriously seem to think you actaully know what the hell you are talking about.

[stretch]

if I were a Mavs fan I think I'd be pissed. Because if the Mavs can't get lucky with matchups in the playoffs this year (which is the only way they'll even eke their way to the Finals) then they've fucked their team up for years to come.
Also, all teams that win the championship have to have some matchup luck to win a title.

Don't tell me that the Spurs weren't lucky to have to play the Nuggets (garbage), Suns (no defense/rebounding), and Jazz (overachieving team that was lucky to have gotten as far as they even had)...

[Findog]

Well, that simply shows how far the Mavs are from winning it all, because they brought Hassell in to be what he is - their version of Bowen, a lockdown perimeter defender. And they ain't going anywhere in the playoffs without someone like that. Now who do they have who can actually play defense? Seems to me they're giving away their best defenders, at a time when other teams are getting good ones, for a PG who was the best PG in the league FIVE YEARS AGO.

Ask Baron Davis or Dwyane Wade if they think Devin Harris can guard them. It isn't ALL about Tony Parker. Josh and Dirk together already own you guys, and now they're getting a PG who will make things even easier for them? That doesn't potentially offset Tony Parker? Regardless of what TH did in Minnesota, he didn't earn playing time in Dallas and contribute, and he won't be missed.


if I were a Mavs fan I think I'd be pissed. Because if the Mavs can't get lucky with matchups in the playoffs this year (which is the only way they'll even eke their way to the Finals) then they've fucked their team up for years to come

We don't have four titles, we're willing to pay the mortgage like Miami, and you're delusional if you think we're not better today. We'll worry about 2011 when it gets here.

[Supergirl]

Don't tell me that the Spurs weren't lucky to have to play the Nuggets (garbage), Suns (no defense/rebounding), and Jazz (overachieving team that was lucky to have gotten as far as they even had)...

Don't talk to me about whether I know anything or not if you're going to go around making asinine statements like that.

All of the teams the Spurs beat en route to their championship last year were championship caliber teams. Even the one that didn't make it out of the first round (Denver) could have easily knocked Dallas off, had they met.

[Findog]

Don't talk to me about whether I know anything or not if you're going to go around making asinine statements like that.

All of the teams the Spurs beat en route to their championship last year were championship caliber teams.

That's an asinine statement. They were a heavyweight that took on four bantamweights. Only Dallas and Detroit were in San Antonio's class last year, and fortunately for the Spurs, they both conveniently melted down before they could meet up with San Antonio.

[ElNono]

I don't agree that all the teams we beat last year were championship caliber material, but saying you're a championship caliber team and that you 'melted' in the playoffs is an oxymoron.

[Axe Murderer]

I'd kill to have Jason Kidd on my team!

[ludda]

There will always be people dogging on trades ala Shaq to Phx and now Kidd to Dallas. I thought both were necessary moves (though I think Kidd will be more instrumental to the Mavs than Shaq who's there just to provide an inside presence.)

No one knows for sure, but I like how some people act like they know EXACTLY how things will play out. If the Mavs only goal was to matchup well with the Spurs then they were fucked anyways. But hey, better for us. BTW, the way Harris is getting overrated ever since this trade is unbelievable.

[Findog]

I don't agree that all the teams we beat last year were championship caliber material, but saying you're a championship caliber team and that you 'melted' in the playoffs is an oxymoron.

Dallas peaked way too early and the injuries to Dirk and Dampier didn't help against Golden State, but they were absolutely a championship-caliber team last year. If we had beaten the Warriors and Jazz, I think the Spurs would've won the conference finals against us. If we had played a seven-game series against San Antonio in, say, February, we would've won. And that goes for any other team in the League, including the Warriors. The Spurs saved their best for the best possible time. We didn't.

[Findog]

There will always be people dogging on trades ala Shaq to Phx and now Kidd to Dallas. I thought both were necessary moves (though I think Kidd will be more instrumental to the Mavs than Shaq who's there just to provide an inside presence.)

No one knows for sure, but I like how some people act like they know EXACTLY how things will play out. If the Mavs only goal was to matchup well with the Spurs then they were fucked anyways. But hey, better for us. BTW, the way Harris is getting overrated ever since this trade is unbelievable.

In truth, it's not a slam dunk deal. It could blow up in our faces. But I think the fo brass felt it was a necessary risk.

[ludda]

In truth, it's not a slam dunk deal. It could blow up in our faces. But I think the fo brass felt it was a necessary risk.

Lets just say after the last two playoff meltdowns, the postseason Mavs inspire as much fear as a wet puppy.

And the Mavs looked like they believed that too.

[Shank]

In truth, it's not a slam dunk deal. It could blow up in our faces. But I think the fo brass felt it was a necessary risk.

Gagreed.

Not much mention of the life and energy this has put into Dirk and the others. Have you seen him in the past couple days? Giddy as a fucking schoolgirl. Even after one practice yesterday, guys were beaming about how much easier Kidd made the game for the rest of them.

Not to say they're going to come out and blow the doors off anyone - hell, they'll probably lose tonight and we'll have the itchy triggerfingers going nuts - but he seems to be a great fit already.

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Don't talk to me about whether I know anything or not if you're going to go around making asinine statements like that.

All of the teams the Spurs beat en route to their championship last year were championship caliber teams. Even the one that didn't make it out of the first round (Denver) could have easily knocked Dallas off, had they met.
:lmao

...you serious?

:lmao

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Josh and Dirk together already own you guys, and now they're getting a PG who will make things even easier for them?

Don't forget that Terry and Stack give them plenty of problems too. The only question mark on defense that we have against the Spurs is how will we guard Tony Parker. We know what Duncan will do and that there is no stopping him. Howard usually does a solid job against Manu.

I think the Spurs should be wondering more, as to who they will use to guard Howard, Dirk and Terry. Parker obviously cannot guard Terry. No one really can on that team. Dirk has figured Bowen out, Duncan needs to be in the post on defense, plus Duncan has never guarded Dirk effectively, and no one else has a chance against Dirk. Howard never seems to get phased by Bowen or Ginobili. And then Stack somehow always gets open in that corner.

I've said it way too many times already... the Mavs issues have not, and are not defensive. It's been offensive. They lose games because the get very stagnant on offense, not because their defense sucks. If they score more efficently, it will likewise lead to more efficient defense and will prevent opposing teams from having the scoring runs needed to beat Dallas. Kidd will keep their offense deadly at all times that he is out there.

[ElNono]

I think the Spurs should be wondering more, as to who they will use to guard Howard, Dirk and Terry. Parker obviously cannot guard Terry. No one really can on that team. Dirk has figured Bowen out, Duncan needs to be in the post on defense, plus Duncan has never guarded Dirk effectively, and no one else has a chance against Dirk. Howard never seems to get phased by Bowen or Ginobili. And then Stack somehow always gets open in that corner.

Right, we really lose sleep over how we're going to beat you guys. That's why we beat you without Duncan. And Howard sure did a fine job on Manu the last game, getting torched for 37 points.

[Supergirl]

Mavs fans talking about how their team's problem is not defense, it's offense...well, that just makes sense. They've been drinking Mark Cuban's Kool Aid. But Mark Cuban hasn't figured out how to bring a championship to Dallas yet, and I think Dallas's window has officially passed them by...San Antonio, L.A., Utah, New Orleans, and Denver are all better teams right now...and even Phoenix with half-a-Shaq is better right now...

[Taco]

explain in your answer. :elephant

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Who got the better end of the Kidd deal?
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San Antonio got the better end of that trade :)

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

All of the teams the Spurs beat en route to their championship last year were championship caliber teams.


You can't really believe that, can you?