Bruce/Udoka

[6thMANU]

Ok so for a while i was thinking that we needed to change our starting lineup and i thought Udoka would fit in perfect. That means that someone would get sent to the bench and who would that be...... BRUCE . Bruce is one of my favorite Spurs players and is still amazing at D but i think its time to get udoka to start filling his role and is ready to start in his spot. I know this consecutive starts streak that bowen has right now is very important to him and coach pop knows that. But i feel that they are more worried about messing his consecutive starts streak up that bowen is a lock on a starting spot. The only person i could see Ime starting over is bruce because if he started over anyone eles would make our offense to slugish...The reason i think we need to change the line up is because for the past 2 and a half months our offense has not been looking to good. Now if Ime started we would get more offense and not lose to much on D .....How would Tony , Finley , Ime , Fab , and Tim sound for our starting lineup?? what do y'all think about the consecutive starts the situation? :fro

[m33p0]

that's Pop's job.

[6thMANU]

yep i know that but my point is that it seems like pop is more worried about Bruce's streak then doing something to make our line up better..... It seems a little selfish

[6thMANU]

i guess im just retarded .

[Sigz]

I'd rather have Bruce start.

Udoka can come off the bench and give us a spark that we always seem to need.

Bruce should start.

[jmard5]

As a starter, you need Bowen's lockdown defense to guard the opponent's best perimeter scorer. Bowen's limited offensive skills can be complemented with Parker and Duncan (and Finley) in their starting five.

Bowen won't really be a factor offensively in the second unit, whereas Udoka can complement Manu. And it would be a waste of Bowen's defensive skills when he is in the second unit and the opponent's top perimeter scorer is resting. In short, he would be an offensive liability in the second unit, and at the same time not guarding someone he is supposed to guard.

Anyway, Pop used Udoka, Bowen and Tim at the same time versus the Bobcats. That's one hell of a defensive lineup.

[6thMANU]

yea the reason i was saying to start him is to start the game off with a better offensive rhythm. I still want bowen to guard the other teams best player most of the game. Ime also helps alot on the Rebounds and brings some bigger toughness so he also has some plus that bowen doesn't have

[Radiosparks]

Bruce and have Udoka come off the bench.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I proposed this idea back in January when the offence REALLY sucked, especially in first quarters when we'd get down by 10+ points because Bruce couldn't hit the broad side of a barn:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85945

Most people didn't like the idea at all.

However, on the RRT Bruce found his stroke a bit and the first quarter offence improved, so I don't think it's a huge issue any more. Just use Ime/Bruce depending on how they are going on the night - if one is way off, the other gets his minutes.

[Holt's Cat]

The idea behind Udoka's acquisition is for him to be Bruce's understudy as the top perimeter defender.

[6thMANU]

I would like to see Ime start just to see would happen... and im not saying oooooo bruce sucks and all this. Thats not what im saying i just don't think we have looked that good in a long time... we have had little spurts here and there but not a good solid game like we used to have every week

[T Park]

If Bowen doesn't start, Gerald Wallace goes nuts.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I would like to see Ime start just to see would happen... and im not saying oooooo bruce sucks and all this. Thats not what im saying i just don't think we have looked that good in a long time... we have had little spurts here and there but not a good solid game like we used to have every week

No, after the first two games of the RRT we were pretty good.

We sucked in December due to the injuries, and January because that's just what the Spurs do.

Yet another idea that was done to death 3 weeks ago, but you're a noob so I guess we should give you some slack.

BTW, T Park, I'm not really into golfing chicks, but the one in the pink has a divine stomach! :hungry:

[T Park]

BTW, T Park, I'm not really into golfing chicks, but the one in the pink has a divine stomach!

Paula Creamer.

Google pictures.

You'll thank me later my man.

Hey Nikki Garrett is australian in the picture on the bottom of my sig.

Very nice as well :)

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Paula Creamer.

Google pictures.

You'll thank me later my man.

Hey Nikki Garrett is australian in the picture on the bottom of my sig.

Very nice as well :)

Will do... ;)

Your sig only has two women now, but three names. you might like to fix that for clarity.

[T Park]

???

No theres three,

Natalie, Paula, and Nikki. Theres three.

[SequSpur]

Those pictures are stupid.

and wgaf about bowen/udoka. They both can't hit shit.

[6thMANU]

udoka has a way better offensive game than bruce

[T Park]

udoka has a way better offensive game than bruce

Yeah.

And?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The offense has been a little stagnant for the last two and a half months you say?

Interesting.

I'm sure that switching Udoka to the starting lineup would change everything! That's genius at work.







BTW...how long has Parker's ankle been bothering him?

[genomefreak13]

I like Bowen to start since he gives us that defensive momentum at the start of the game. He's what Wallace used to be in Detroit. The heart and soul of a defensive - minded team.

I don't think Udoka could provide us the same momentum since he hasn't quite been recognized as a defensive specialist in the NBA. Probably, he is a defensive star in the making, but I don't think that he can give the spurs the same psychological edge over the other team.

Besides, making bowen go off the bench would only weaken the image of Bowen. Opponents might think that he's already pass his prime - thus giving them extra motivation to be on the offensive.

I know Basketball is a physical game, but a small portion of it is still mental. "Fear" is always an important tool for defense, and that is what Bowen has provided us as a starter. That is why seperates him from Udoka (for now). This is what makes the Allen , james , nowitzki and Iverson's of the NBA miss their shot.

[6thMANU]

The offense has been a little stagnant for the last two and a half months you say?

Interesting.

I'm sure that switching Udoka to the starting lineup would change everything! That's genius at work.







BTW...how long has Parker's ankle been bothering him? Parker hasent been hurt as long as we have been playing like this

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

???

No theres three,

Natalie, Paula, and Nikki. Theres three.

Nope. You have two chicks, then Will Ferrell from what I can see.

Sequ, you need to look closer at Creamer's stomach. ;)

[T Park]

Parker hasent been hurt as long as we have been playing like this


How long have the Spurs been playing like this.

How long has Parker's ankle been bothering him?

[T Park]

Nope. You have two chicks, then Will Ferrell from what I can see.

Sequ, you need to look closer at Creamer's stomach. ;)


Well the three pictures are showing up for me, so I don't know what to do.

[duncan228]

T Park, I'm only seeing 2 pics as well.
The third is a red x.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Parker hasent been hurt as long as we have been playing like this

Um, as long as we've been playing like what?

The rot started during the injuries in late Dec, and continued up to pretty much the Seattle game. Then we won a toughie at Phoenix, Stoudamire joined the fray, and the team has looked progressively better since.

Today's performance displayed the rust typical of the Spurs after more than 2 days of rest, and they put it together in the fourth Q to coast to victory.

We haven't been playing any particular way for the last two months, there have been three distinctly different periods in there. I know, because I've watched every game.

[6thMANU]

parker hurt or not he had some awesome game where he got 20+ points and assists in a few game and and Finley , bowen , Barry , Horry , and Manu and we still didn't look good.

[T Park]

parker hurt or not he had some awesome game where he got 20+ points and assists in a few game and and Finley , bowen , Barry , Horry , and Manu and we still didn't look good.


Uh, want to say what game this was?

[6thMANU]

yea i only missed the Houston game this year. I dont want to argue about anything but i think we all know this season after the first 20 games have been up and down. A lot of down times .... I just dont see any solid offense like we had before with tony or not

[Solid D]

Start Bowen as long as you can. He normally keeps his man from gaining early confidence.

Udoka is a very different player. He's a stronger player (physically) than Bowen and he's a very good rebounder. I doubt Pop will ever use the "S" word when Ime is in the game. The Anti-Charmin.

I am so glad the Spurs picked him up, especially now that Brent is sitting there in a coat.

[T Park]

yea i only missed the Houston game this year. I dont want to argue about anything but i think we all know this season after the first 20 games have been up and down. A lot of down times .... I just dont see any solid offense like we had before with tony or not

Well wich game were you talking about?

You just can't bring up a game and then say "i dont want to argue"

Were not arguing were just trying to help you understand why your wrong.

Not wrong, but, just misguided.

[6thMANU]

pop was trying alot of things to get our team going this season... The only thing that was keeping pop from starting Ime was because Bowen has that streak going. Hey just look at tonight Ime started the 2nd half.... Im not that dumb. We looked alot more solid

[Ice009]

I would like to see Ime start just to see would happen... and im not saying oooooo bruce sucks and all this. Thats not what im saying i just don't think we have looked that good in a long time... we have had little spurts here and there but not a good solid game like we used to have every week

Well that's what I was thinking in early Janurary. I first thought about it after a game against the Rockets.

I just wanted to start him to see what happens. I really thought at the time with the Spurs struggling offensively that Ime could start and we might get more production out of him if he's getting open looks from Tim. I wanted Michael to be the one that went to the bench though, not Bruce. Ruff, I think was the one that also suggested that it could be for Bruce since Bruce was in a funk at the time. I think that is the only reason Ruff suggested it actually.

Now if we were to do it that way I'd bring in Bruce at about the 6 minute mark of the first quarter, no later than that though. My thinking is after Ime has played his brand of tough physical defense Bruce can come in fresh as a daisy and play his suffocating defense on an already slightly tired starter. I still think it could work if Pop thinks a shakeup is needed.

[T Park]

pop was trying alot of things to get our team going this season... The only thing that was keeping pop from starting Ime was because Bowen has that streak going. Hey just look at tonight Ime started the 2nd half.... Im not that dumb. We looked alot more solid


Dude.

Give it up.

[6thMANU]

im going to respond if someone asks me something..... yall make this shit so enjoyable.... not :rolleyes

[T Park]

im going to respond if someone asks me something..... yall make this shit so enjoyable


Well your responding with flawed logic thats the problem.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

This thread is premature, Bruce is still the master.

No way are you gonna bench him; Udoka is earning his minutes but he still makes a lot of mistakes in the game. And his offense isn't "miles" above Bruce's so much either. Udoka is fine on the bench.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Well that's what I was thinking in early Janurary. I first thought about it after a game against the Rockets.

I just wanted to start him to see what happens. I really thought at the time with the Spurs struggling offensively that Ime could start and we might get more production out of him if he's getting open looks from Tim. I wanted Michael to be the one that went to the bench though, not Bruce. Ruff, I think was the one that also suggested that it could be for Bruce since Bruce was in a funk at the time. I think that is the only reason Ruff suggested it actually.

Now if we were to do it that way I'd bring in Bruce at about the 6 minute mark of the first quarter, no later than that though. My thinking is after Ime has played his brand of tough physical defense Bruce can come in fresh as a daisy and play his suffocating defense on an already slightly tired starter. I still think it could work if Pop thinks a shakeup is needed.

Yup, my suggestion was sit Bruce for the first 6 minutes so that Ime could improve the O by hitting wide open 3s that Bruce was missing - at the time, mid/late-Jan, it even looked to me like players were opting not to pass it to Bruce because he was shooting that badly.

The continuation of the idea was that Bruce would still play most of his minutes against the other team's starters, it was all about avoiding those 1st Q holes we were getting ourselves in all through January. That's not happening any more, and Bruce has found his stroke (although obviously not tonight!), so I don't think it's necessary any more.

[T Park]

(although obviously not tonight!),

2 fer 2 in the 4th quarter.

Big reason the lead got stretched out!! :)

Agreed, the shot looked off. He passed up a bunch of shots thought hat he should've shot.

Alot did.

Bowens doing fine though.

[6thMANU]

Well your responding with flawed logic thats the problem.
Ok well now i know how people react in this fourm so i probly wont post anymore some of you are very annoying. I dont see what the big deal of me saying i think Ime should get a chance to start over bowen. If Bonner had a chance over Fab this year that pop would try anything even tho that didnt make sens.

[anakha]

I dont see what the big deal of me saying i think Ime should get a chance to start over bowen.

That statement in itself is fine. That's your opinion.

However:


The only thing that was keeping pop from starting Ime was because Bowen has that streak going.

And you wonder why people are saying you're wrong?

[T Park]

Ok well now i know how people react in this fourm so i probly wont post anymore some of you are very annoying. I dont see what the big deal of me saying i think Ime should get a chance to start over bowen. If Bonner had a chance over Fab this year that pop would try anything even tho that didnt make sens.

So your gonna stop posting because people are saying this is why its not done?

Were not being annoying were just explaining things.

Chill out man.

[Brutalis]

I don't think you change at this point and of course Pop goes as we think. But Udoka does serve a long term purpose and was brought here for in that understanding. You also have to realize the Spurs system isn't reading a book and passing its test. Horry I think commented on it a few years back. Halfway done and he isn't disappointing me. He is showing he has the chance to step in during the playoffs and compete very well. Hopefully it happens for our sake and his because you won't see Bonner out there anymore. (p.o. time)

[6thMANU]

yep i know that but my point is that it seems like pop is more worried about Bruce's streak then doing something to make our line up better..... It seems a little selfish Next time you quote me quote the whole thing dont make it look like i said something i dident

[SA Gunslinger]

This thread is premature, Bruce is still the master.

No way are you gonna bench him; Udoka is earning his minutes but he still makes a lot of mistakes in the game. And his offense isn't "miles" above Bruce's so much either. Udoka is fine on the bench.

I agree. Bowen is a warrior. If you look at his physique, he looks like Bruce Lee. He has that wiry but muscular body. He should be able to play until he's 40, basketball gods willing.

[Que Gee]

If Bowen doesn't start, Gerald Wallace goes nuts.



:lol

[anakha]

Next time you quote me quote the whole thing dont make it look like i said something i dident


pop was trying alot of things to get our team going this season... The only thing that was keeping pop from starting Ime was because Bowen has that streak going. Hey just look at tonight Ime started the 2nd half.... Im not that dumb. We looked alot more solid

Try again.

[T Park]

:lol


Why do you laugh.

Wallace averages 20 a game.

Bowen started out on him and helped keep him to his 0-9 shooting.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Ok well now i know how people react in this fourm so i probly wont post anymore some of you are very annoying. I dont see what the big deal of me saying i think Ime should get a chance to start over bowen. If Bonner had a chance over Fab this year that pop would try anything even tho that didnt make sens.

Toughen up, people around here debate with... force. :lol

You brought up a topic that has been discussed for 4 weeks and we've pretty much been over every angle.

Seriously, hang around, it's by far the best Spurs forum on the net. Maybe you should just get a feel for the place before starting threads putting forward ideas that have already been done to death?