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[Ghost Writer]

Lakers: Gasol
Suns: Shaq
Mavericks: Kidd
Denver: Artest (tentatively)
Spurs: :wtf

Yeah, homers, I know the Spurs won it a year ago, but the team is older, some key players are injured and others aren't as effective.


If the Spurs do not win it this year, it will be because the front office was fooled into believing their own hype after last year's title run.

Did they realize that the #1 seed Mavs got upset in the first round and the suspensions changed the face of the Suns series?

When your team is not as good as it was in the previous year and the competition has all acquired star-quality players, it's not a panic move to shore up a weakness or two.

Make something happen, front office!

[Holt's Cat]

If you have some trouble with that, there is help:

http://www.steroidstation.com/p_images/viagra.gif

[Soul_Patch]

How many of these type of threads do you make a day? Why not just bump the other 10 to 15 already made by you.

[ancestron]

usually my best chance at scoring comes when I'm at home.

[Mister Sinister]

GW is sounding more and more like J. Jonah Jameson.

[Ghost Writer]

Great feedback, guys.

I guess you are cool with not doing anything as everyone else gets better.

It would be one thing if the Spurs were healthy and the rotation was firing on al cylinders.

[hater]

stop trolling GW

[LilMissSPURfect]

the other teams have to match & tinker to deal with the spurs....SPURS don't havta to do nothing....help would be appreciated but theyz the champs...

[ElNono]

If you're not happy with the Spurs as they are, feel free to either change teams or email the front office. But could you please stop spamming the forum? We did get your point about 10 threads ago.

[Solid D]

http://boardreader.com/tp/the+downward+spiral.html

[Ghost Writer]

The Spurs don't need to do anything?

Last I checked, Elson was out of the rotation, Bowen was being saved for the playoffs, Parker was battling an inflamed foot, and Barry had a calf issue.

And the best teams in the West all got better.

Then there's that.

[NASpurs]

The Spurs don't need to do anything?

Last I checked, Elson was out of the rotation, Bowen was being saved for the playoffs, Parker was battling an inflamed foot, and Barry had a calf issue.

And the best teams in the West all got better.

Then there's that.Wait wait.. injuries in the middle of the season AREN'T supposed to happen? Damn we really do need to trade ASAP!

[degenerate_gambler]

The Spurs don't need to do anything?

Last I checked, Elson was out of the rotation, Bowen was being saved for the playoffs, Parker was battling an inflamed foot, and Barry had a calf issue.

And the best teams in the West all got better.

Then there's that.



and yet the Spurs are a game and a half out of the top spot in the West..

then there's that chicken little..

[FromWayDowntown]

All of that could, arguably, suggest that the Spurs are going to be much better when they are whole -- much more like the club that started 17-3 than the club that's gone 18-14 since.

[Holt's Cat]

Yet another scared bitch prima donna thread.

[loveforthegame]

I just don't see the Spurs trading for a big name player so I don't get my hopes up even thinking about it.

The Spurs really don't have the assets to do so anyway and it appears the Spurs FO have a financial plan they don't want to veer too far away from.

* Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, Bowen will not be traded.

* Finley, Udoka, Horry, Oberto, Vaughn will not be traded unless a team comes along with an offer the Spurs simply cannot refuse. I doubt the Spurs are offering up one of these guys first however.

* I don't think Stoudamire can be traded but I don't see the Spurs giving him up either.

* Barry, Elson are the best bets with expiring contracts. Bonner has a reasonable contract as well. 3 players isn't much to work with.

[Solid D]

http://www.marketwatch.com/charts/int-basic.chart?symb=DJ_3728&sid=171546&time=8&startdate=&enddate=&freq=1&comp=&compidx=&uf=&ma=&maval=&type=2&size=1&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&style=1013&mocktick=1&rand=956412911.html
Quality Posting Activity - 12/07 - 2/08

[Ghost Writer]

I want to be as self assured as the rest of you, but it's very unsettling when you see your team taking some hits and their competitors all improving.

I don't know how you guys do it.

Is it confidence or foolhardiness?

[FromWayDowntown]

I'll be interested to see, also, if all of those teams actually got better with their moves. The Lakers clearly did, but the jury is out on both the Suns and the Mavericks.

Putting big names into the lineup doesn't necessarily make a team better.

I have no idea what the Nuggets are doing if they get Artest. Their greatest weakness last year in the playoffs was depth and yet they keep depleting what little depth they had to bolster a starting lineup that already has some tension with respect to roles.

[NASpurs]

All of that could, arguably, suggest that the Spurs are going to be much better when they are whole -- much more like the club that started 17-3 than the club that's gone 18-14 since.7-1 the last 8 games. Seems like we're going uphill again.

[Extra Stout]

Five or six years ago, these threads would have provoked hundreds of responses and drawn out for days. Now I'm sensing... boredom.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

GW is sounding more and more like J. Jonah Jameson.
I think you mean Jenna Jameson. Lots of moaning, but not really saying much.

[Ghost Writer]

7-1 the last 8 games. Seems like we're going uphill again.
Are you suggesting we trade or bench Parker?

[Mister Sinister]

I think you mean Jenna Jameson. Lots of moaning, but not really saying much.
No, no. I do, in fact, mean the guy from Spidey. More specifically, the version of him that was in Spider-Man: The Reign. He was all doom and gloom and such.....yeah, I'm a turbo-nerd.

[Ghost Writer]

Yet another scared bitch prima donna thread.
From the pvssy that wants to send the same package for K. Thomas that could land us R. Artest.

[NASpurs]

Are you suggesting we trade or bench Parker?Keep him. We can only get better with Parker in the lineup as well as the team gelling as it is lately.

March is coming.

[Ghost Writer]

Five or six years ago, these threads would have provoked hundreds of responses and drawn out for days. Now I'm sensing... boredom.
It's this "fat cat" mentality that has the Spurs standing pat and possibly getting passed by this year.

You'll regret not being more aggressive when the Spurs are ordinary in 5 or so years.

[FromWayDowntown]

From the pvssy that wants to send the same package for K. Thomas that could land us R. Artest.

Sure -- arguing for filling a definite need over seeking out a move that mostly offers sizzle is really an unprincipled stance.

[FromWayDowntown]

It's this "fat cat" mentality that has the Spurs standing pat and possibly getting passed by this year.

You'll regret not being more aggressive when the Spurs are ordinary in 5 or so years.

Oh noes!! Only 5 more years of greatness!! The sky IS falling.

[Ghost Writer]

Sure -- arguing for filling a definite need over seeking out a move that mostly offers sizzle is really an unprincipled stance.
This is "sizzle"?:

2007-08 Statistics
PPG 19.1
RPG 5.70
APG 4.0
SPG 2.2
BPG 0.7
EFF+ 18.51

Do you think the Spurs are fine standing pat?

Question

[Holt's Cat]

From the pvssy that wants to send the same package for K. Thomas that could land us R. Artest.

I like pussy, but that's another thread.

Sure, I'd like to see the Spurs land Kurt Thomas, as that actually addresses a need.

[Holt's Cat]

This is "sizzle"?:

2007-08 Statistics
PPG 19.1
RPG 5.70
APG 4.0
SPG 2.2
BPG 0.7
EFF+ 18.51
Horse Tranquilizer Injections: 267
Do you think the Spurs are fine standing pat?

Question

[Ghost Writer]

I like pussy, but that's another thread.

Sure, I'd like to see the Spurs land Kurt Thomas, as that actually addresses a need.
But I thought Barry was a valuable role player and you coveted next year's first round draft pick.

[FromWayDowntown]

This is "sizzle"?:

2007-08 Statistics
PPG 19.1
RPG 5.70
APG 4.0
SPG 2.2
BPG 0.7
EFF+ 18.51

Do you think the Spurs are fine standing pat?

Question

What the Spurs really need -- more than anything else -- is a wing who needs a lot of shots to be an effective scorer. They don't need rebounding; they don't need interior defenders; they don't need a big who can drag another big out of the lane.

Artest is sizzle in light of what the Spurs actually need.

He's a name more than a need.

[rascal]

the other teams have to match & tinker to deal with the spurs....SPURS don't havta to do nothing....help would be appreciated but theyz the champs...

They are the champs of LAST YEAR. Its a new season and much has changed especially the rosters of many of the top teams.

Boston has surpassed the spurs this year on their moves alone.

[LilMissSPURfect]

I want to be as self assured as the rest of you, but it's very unsettling when you see your team taking some hits and their competitors all improving.

I don't know how you guys do it.

Is it confidence or foolhardiness?



imo, it's MANUfidence........CINCO De MANU.........& wid timmay just hangin round y would anyone doubt they skills!

ya really think snack is the answer...the way i seez it.... snack trips over hisself falls; manu bounces the ball off of him & thru raja's legs to timmy where he banks in a quick two while Mare is doing pushups.... :clap

[Ghost Writer]

What the Spurs really need -- more than anything else -- is a wing who needs a lot of shots to be an effective scorer. They don't need rebounding; they don't need interior defenders; they don't need a big who can drag another big out of the lane.

Artest is sizzle in light of what the Spurs actually need.

He's a name more than a need.
Please re-read what you just wrote and tell me how Artest does not fit the bill.


:lol

[ancestron]

GW is sounding more and more like J. Jonah Jameson.




Yeah, Parker, I know Spiderman won it a year ago, but he is older, injured and his powers aren't as effective.


If Spidey does not win it this year, it will be because Peter Parker was fooled into believing his own hype after last year's title run.

Did he realize that Superman got upset in the first round and the suspensions changed the face of the Justic League?

When your team is not as good as it was in the previous year and the competition has all acquired class 5 mutants, it's not a panic move to shore up a weakness or two.

Make something happen, Parker!
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x264/grianghraf/Jksimmonsjonahmovie.jpg

[Holt's Cat]

But I thought Barry was a valuable role player and you coveted next year's first round draft pick.

I said Barry could be used in another trade to land someone sane and who actually fills a need.

[Mister Sinister]

:lmao
Thanks, ancestron. I needed that.

[FromWayDowntown]

Please re-read what you just wrote and tell me how Artest does not fit the bill.


:lol

Yeah, that entire first paragraph was sarcastic. Nice catch.

[Holt's Cat]

Yeah, that entire first paragraph was sarcastic. Nice catch.

Don't make him think. He tires easily. On second thought, sarcasm might not be so bad.

[Mister Sinister]

Don't make him think. He tires easily. On second thought, sarcasm might not be so bad.
:lol Well played.

[ancestron]

Your comparison was spot on lol.

[Ghost Writer]

I guess I failed to see the humor, because I'm waiting for the first swingman since S. Jackson and S. Elliott before him who can actually play on both ends of the floor.

Since when is 44% shooting terrible, BTW?

P.S.

There are plenty of other threads to debate Artest.

Please answer:

Do you think the Spurs have enough to stand pat and prevail despite all the rivals' trades?

[Holt's Cat]

I guess I failed to see the humor, because I'm waiting for the first swingman since S. Jackson and S. Elliott before him who can actually play on both ends of the floor.

ROFL. You're fucking stupid.

[Spurminator]

I do. I'd like to see them get another quality big man but I'm not going to shit myself and roll around in it if they don't.

[FromWayDowntown]

I guess I failed to see the humor, because I'm waiting for the first swingman since S. Jackson and S. Elliott before him who can actually play on both ends of the floor.

Since when is 44% shooting terrible, BTW?

P.S.

There are plenty of other threads to debate Artest.

Please answer:

Do you think the Spurs have enough to stand pat and prevail despite all the rivals' trades?

There are plenty of other threads that seek answers to that question, too.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87200

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87215

[fyatuk]

The Spurs don't need to do anything?

Last I checked, Elson was out of the rotation, Bowen was being saved for the playoffs, Parker was battling an inflamed foot, and Barry had a calf issue.

And the best teams in the West all got better.

Then there's that.

Elson - Addition by subtraction. It's good he's out of the rotation :p:

Bowen - The goal is to save all the Spurs for the playoffs. That's why no one plays close to 40 minutes a game regularly.

Parker - well, ankle, and that's the Spurs biggest problem and one of the biggest reasons they don't have the #1 or #2 record in the NBA. There's not exactly any move you could make to fix that problem if it persists either.

Barry - *shrug*

Except for LA, it remains to be seen if the deals made have really improved anyone in the west. While it might be good to switch out a role player or two for slightly better role players, the Spurs don't really need a big name, and it's not a given that anyone the Spurs could get would be able to help at all considering the typical difficulties players have in acclimating to Spurs basketball.

That being said. You are being BORING! Same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, etc. :dizzy

[FromWayDowntown]

I must have missed the memo that Manu Ginobili never actually played for the Spurs.

[Holt's Cat]

That being said. You are being BORING! Same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, etc. :dizzy

Now imagine that multiplied by 10 years.

[Holt's Cat]

I must have missed the memo that Manu Ginobili never actually played for the Spurs.


He doesn't count because he was drafted.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I must have missed the memo that Manu Ginobili never actually played for the Spurs.
He doesn't. The Spurs play for Manu.

[Extra Stout]

I must have missed the memo that Manu Ginobili never actually played for the Spurs.
No headband. No cornrows. No tattoos. He doesn't count.

[FromWayDowntown]

He doesn't. The Spurs play for Manu.

Well, there's that.

[FromWayDowntown]

It's easy to forget about Manu, I guess. He's rarely done anything spectacular for the Spurs and he's never made a difference when it mattered most.

(that's all sarcasm)

[Holt's Cat]

Manu Ginobili doesn't count because he's never been suspended for 80% of a season, or thrown objects, or flicked off his own bench, etc...Plus he speaks Spanish. Only the help does that in Connecticut.

[FromWayDowntown]

Manu Ginobili doesn't count because he's never been suspended for 80% of a season, or thrown objects, or flicked off his own bench, etc...Plus he speaks Spanish. Only the help does that in Connecticut.

Well, and it seems apparent that a guy like Jeff McInnis still doesn't think that Manu could actually be any good. There's an instant credibility hit.

[rascal]

Now imagine that multiplied by 10 years.

Be honest now, you enjoy it.
It takes two to argue and I don't see you staying away.

[Ghost Writer]

You two should do stand up!

Do you think the Spurs have enough to stand pat and prevail despite all the rivals' trades?

[FromWayDowntown]

Yes. But I'd like to see them get a rebounding big man if it doesn't cost any part of the core.

I realize I should stay with only what's written in this thread, but one thing that goes beyond this particular thread is bothering me: I thought this whole slew of threads about a trade started from the concern that the Spurs wouldn't be able to matchup with the Lakers front line of Gasol and Bynum or the Suns front line of Amare and Shaq. Now, suddenly, the greater need is a guy like Artest. I wonder how, exactly, does Artest do anything to make you feel better about those matchups?

[ElNono]

I think we need to collect some money and buy GW one of this:

http://regmedia.co.uk/2007/06/27/usb_panic_1.png

It comes automatically preprogrammed to start a new thread in ST.com whenever it's pushed.

[Holt's Cat]

Yes. But I'd like to see them get a rebounding big man if it doesn't cost any part of the core.

I realize I should stay with only what's written in this thread, but one thing that goes beyond this particular thread is bothering me: I thought this whole slew of threads about a trade started from the concern that the Spurs wouldn't be able to matchup with the Lakers front line of Gasol and Bynum or the Suns front line of Amare and Shaq. Now, suddenly, the greater need is a guy like Artest. I wonder how, exactly, does Artest do anything to make you feel better about those matchups?


He has his own album, he's from NY, and Ghost would fellate him if given the opportunity. That's the impetus for this deal.

[Ghost Writer]

Fair answer and fair question.

I agree and have endorsed the K. Thomas trade scenario, although I would like to actually bring in more of a shot-blocking big man if at all possible for Elson/Barry/1st rounder.

However, while Artest does not fill the need for a starting-quality PF/C, my eyes grow wide any time the Spurs can snag a star-quality player, while keeping the Big Three in tact. I think Artest's aggregate skills could make up for the obvious hole at PF/C.

And priority #2 should be the swingman spot. Bowen's slowing, Finley and Barry are basically 3-point gunners now and Udoku can't be trusted yet in a big spot.

As I've said before, the beauty of the Artest idea is that he'll be on Pop's short leash, we're not giving up a ton for him and won't be locked in beyond this season if he does not work out.

My whole thesis is that I would not sweat the other teams' acquisition as much if I did not think that we finally got some breaks in the playoffs last year (a healthy Spurs team, no Mavs, the Suns series was crazy with the suspensions, Jazz were easy prey, no Pistons, Cavs were one-man band) and we're older, less healthy and/or effective than we were last year.

Sure, the team can get healthy and gel in time for the playoffs and who knows how the chips may fall in the postseason, but logically, it looks like the playing field has leveled to me.

You do not have to agree, as this is just my feeling right now.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

..............but the team is olderyou know everyone always says that, but how does time stand still everywhere else except in SA? i'm trying to see what people are actually getting at with that statement.

[Ghost Writer]

you know everyone always says that, but how does time stand still everywhere else except in SA? i'm trying to see what people are actually getting at with that statement.
We're the oldest team in basketball.

Eventually the age catches up.

[Holt's Cat]

So the supporting cast is aged, but the eldest member of the Big 3 is your franchise player and he's 31. That core has another 4 years together.

[Ghost Writer]

So the supporting cast is aged, but the eldest member of the Big 3 is your franchise player and he's 31. That core has another 4 years together.
True... that is the nice thing.

You'd like to see the swingman spot have a little more youthful athleticism... either Finley or Bowen.

I know everyone thinks it's a diss when I say Bowen should come off the bench now, but at his age, he could be an awesome stopper and defensive substitution if we can get a starting-quality 3.

That could extend Bowen's career.

[smeagol]

We're the oldest team in basketball.

We were the oldest team in baskeball last year too . . . and somehow managed to get the job done.

[FromWayDowntown]

True... that is the nice thing.

You'd like to see the swingman spot have a little more youthful athleticism... either Finley or Bowen.

I know everyone thinks it's a diss when I say Bowen should come off the bench now, but at his age, he could be an awesome stopper and defensive substitution if we can get a starting-quality 3.

That could extend Bowen's career.

But the problem with that is that Bowen's role is to defend the best scorer on the opposing team. That guy doesn't usually come off the bench, he starts. And bringing Bowen off the bench essentially makes him a guy who defends second teamers (who can be defended by lesser defenders) while offering occasional help offensively from behind the arc and by stretching the floor with the threat that he will hit an open 3 in a big spot.

If you move Bowen to the bench, you essentially render him worthless or at the very least make him solely a situational player.

[Das Texan]

The Spurs don't need to do anything?

Last I checked, Elson was out of the rotation, Bowen was being saved for the playoffs, Parker was battling an inflamed foot, and Barry had a calf issue.

And the best teams in the West all got better.

Then there's that.



Ghost

the only team i think that really got better was the lakers.

i happen to think shaq makes the suns worse, kidd makes the mavericks worse.


if anything i'd like to get a big to matchup with that team in los angeles, and then aside from utah who i am not sure about yet, i think we take anyone else provided we have health.

[Holt's Cat]

The Spurs have Udoka to learn from the master and to help keep his minutes down during the regular season.

[Ghost Writer]

We were the oldest team in baskeball last year too . . . and somehow managed to get the job done.
I already covered how that happened and why we're not playing at the same level a thousand times.

[Ghost Writer]

But the problem with that is that Bowen's role is to defend the best scorer on the opposing team. That guy doesn't usually come off the bench, he starts. And bringing Bowen off the bench essentially makes him a guy who defends second teamers (who can be defended by lesser defenders) while offering occasional help offensively from behind the arc and by stretching the floor with the threat that he will hit an open 3 in a big spot.

If you move Bowen to the bench, you essentially render him worthless or at the very least make him solely a situational player.
I disagree.

The best players from other teams usually play 40+ minutes.

I like guys that can defend and score.

If you follow the Spurs, you'll notice Bowen's minutes have been declining or erratic at best.

I'd like to extend his career by using him more sparingly.


Did you catch my long response to one of your more on-topic questions?

[Budkin]

*sigh*

[fyatuk]

Do you think the Spurs have enough to stand pat and prevail despite all the rivals' trades?

I do, provided Parker is healthy. As it stands now, anyway. I retain the right to change my mind should the teams make more moves.

It'd be nice to bring in a Big for defense and shot-blocking, but I don't see it as necessary. I also wouldn't mind bring in a solid backup wing with 1-2 years left after this year, since otherwise we have to spend a good chunk of the MLE over the summer and bring in vet-min players, or players we own the draft rights to.

At the same time, I believe any trade we make would be aimed at next year, and if the trade includes a contributor on this year's team, it would make us more vulnerable. It's stupid to bring in a star player to be our FOURTH option. Their ego won't take it, in all liklihood. Having 3 star players seems to be the optimum judging by the last decade or two, and we have our 3 stars. I'd also hate to ship off either Mahinmi or Splitter, as both have the potential to be solid long term contributers.

[smeagol]

I already covered how that happened and why we're not playing at the same level a thousand times.

Dallas losing to the Warriors was a lucky break. I will give you that one.

The Suns were going to lose with us anyways, regardles of Amare's stupid move or not.

In any case, at this time last year, we were playing the same ball and had a similar record. But come June 2007, there was a parade going through the "muddy" river.

[Ghost Writer]

Fair enough.

I just hope the Spurs being not quite as good as last year and the other teams being better doesn't mean we lose.

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously, why do you keep starting multiple threads that say exactly the same thing?

[Ghost Writer]

Seriously, why do you keep starting multiple threads that say exactly the same thing?
Please post a link to the other thread that I started that states the same thing.

I'll help.

The closest was "Playoff Matchups" from over a week ago.

Why do you still respond with venomous nonsense, instead of a take?

Do you think the Spurs have enough to keep pace with the improved West?


Question.

[703 Spurz]

Great feedback, guys.

I guess you are cool with not doing anything as everyone else gets better.

It would be one thing if the Spurs were healthy and the rotation was firing on al cylinders.

What the fuck reaction do you want? I mean, we as fans can't do dick about what the FO does so what the fuck dipshit?

[Extra Stout]

I want to see a cage fight between Casper and SpursDynasty.

[ChumpDumper]

Please post a link to the other thread that I started that states the same thing.

I'll help.

The closest was "Playoff Matchups" from over a week ago.

Why do you still respond with venomous nonsense, instead of a take?

Do you think the Spurs have enough to keep pace with the improved West?


Question.
Are you fucking kidding me?

All you have said in every thread since you returned is the Spurs must trade.

That's it.

You think there is some nuance of the Spurs trading or not trading in this thread that had yet to be explored in others? What is it?

Question.

[Ghost Writer]

Please post a link to the other thread that I started that states the same thing.

I'll help.

The closest was "Playoff Matchups" from over a week ago.

Why do you still respond with venomous nonsense, instead of a take?

Do you think the Spurs have enough to keep pace with the improved West?


Question.

[Holt's Cat]

Fine. You post the same shit again and again.

[FromWayDowntown]

Fair answer and fair question.

I agree and have endorsed the K. Thomas trade scenario, although I would like to actually bring in more of a shot-blocking big man if at all possible for Elson/Barry/1st rounder.

However, while Artest does not fill the need for a starting-quality PF/C, my eyes grow wide any time the Spurs can snag a star-quality player, while keeping the Big Three in tact. I think Artest's aggregate skills could make up for the obvious hole at PF/C.

And priority #2 should be the swingman spot. Bowen's slowing, Finley and Barry are basically 3-point gunners now and Udoku can't be trusted yet in a big spot.

As I've said before, the beauty of the Artest idea is that he'll be on Pop's short leash, we're not giving up a ton for him and won't be locked in beyond this season if he does not work out.

My whole thesis is that I would not sweat the other teams' acquisition as much if I did not think that we finally got some breaks in the playoffs last year (a healthy Spurs team, no Mavs, the Suns series was crazy with the suspensions, Jazz were easy prey, no Pistons, Cavs were one-man band) and we're older, less healthy and/or effective than we were last year.

Sure, the team can get healthy and gel in time for the playoffs and who knows how the chips may fall in the postseason, but logically, it looks like the playing field has leveled to me.

You do not have to agree, as this is just my feeling right now.

I'm not sure how Artest's aggregate skills make him a viable choice to defend Bynum/Gasol or Shaq/Amare, if that's the biggest concern that faces the Spurs. In fact, acquiring Artest immediately gives the Spurs three guys who play the same spot and are more effective defenders than scorers (Artest, Bowen, Udoka) while at the same time relieving them of another big man (Elson, ineffective though he may be) who could at least offer up some token resistance in a matchup with a Gasol or Amare. And if you're going to keep Artest on a short leash, you HAVE TO keep Bowen and Udoka around, just in case the absolute worst happens. So, arguably, instead of dealing with the very thing that you've identified as the most significant concern, you've weakened yourself at that spot in favor of acquring a redundant part with a big name.

Certainly the Spurs caught a break or two in the 2007 Playoffs, but as you're so fond of saying, this isn't 2007. The Spurs might have needed a guy like Artest to deal with a smallball Mavs' lineup last spring, but they won't face the same sort of lineup this spring if the teams meet again. This spring, size is back in vogue in the West and getting Artest (instead of a guy like Thomas or some other big) essentially means that the Spurs will be forced to play smallball lineups with great regularity. I don't know that many Spurs fans would favor that idea -- particularly because it ensures that Duncan will spend long, long minutes defending Shaq or Bynum or Yao or Boozer.

Again, I can certainly see an argument that the moves by Phoenix and LA might necessitate a reshuffling of the roster, but I don't see how those moves suggest a countermove to acquire another wing player. I think that if those moves are the impetus for doing something to the Spurs roster, the only logical move is one to get a big man.

[Sec24Row7]

Please post a link to the other thread that I started that states the same thing.

I'll help.

The closest was "Playoff Matchups" from over a week ago.

Why do you still respond with venomous nonsense, instead of a take?

Do you think the Spurs have enough to keep pace with the improved West?


Question.


If there was an award for the person that annoyed the fuck out of me the most on this board... you would be the 5 time repeat champion.

You're a fair weather poster and fan. You have the basketball mentality and knowledge of a Sun Fan.

In fact, you WOULD be a Sun fan if you were born anywhere else.

No one likes you.

No one gives a shit what you think.

The only reason people post on your threads is because of how much you fucking suck and they want to be a part of the train wreck.

You're the Sanjia Malakar of Spurstalk posters.

[ChumpDumper]

Please post a link to the other thread that I started that states the same thing.

I'll help.
No. Allow me.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=541570

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=541566

[FromWayDowntown]

Please post a link to the other thread that I started that states the same thing.

I'll help.

The closest was "Playoff Matchups" from over a week ago.

Why do you still respond with venomous nonsense, instead of a take?

Do you think the Spurs have enough to keep pace with the improved West?


Question.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87200

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87215

[Holt's Cat]

The Mavs just traded away the two reasons they could take out the Spurs in a 7 game series. So the relevance of their fortunate 1st round playoff demise last year is gone.

[Ghost Writer]

I'm not sure how Artest's aggregate skills make him a viable choice to defend Bynum/Gasol or Shaq/Amare, if that's the biggest concern that faces the Spurs. In fact, acquiring Artest immediately gives the Spurs three guys who play the same spot and are more effective defenders than scorers (Artest, Bowen, Udoka) while at the same time relieving them of another big man (Elson, ineffective though he may be) who could at least offer up some token resistance in a matchup with a Gasol or Amare. And if you're going to keep Artest on a short leash, you HAVE TO keep Bowen and Udoka around, just in case the absolute worst happens. So, arguably, instead of dealing with the very thing that you've identified as the most significant concern, you've weakened yourself at that spot in favor of acquring a redundant part with a big name.

Certainly the Spurs caught a break or two in the 2007 Playoffs, but as you're so fond of saying, this isn't 2007. The Spurs might have needed a guy like Artest to deal with a smallball Mavs' lineup last spring, but they won't face the same sort of lineup this spring if the teams meet again. This spring, size is back in vogue in the West and getting Artest (instead of a guy like Thomas or some other big) essentially means that the Spurs will be forced to play smallball lineups with great regularity. I don't know that many Spurs fans would favor that idea -- particularly because it ensures that Duncan will spend long, long minutes defending Shaq or Bynum or Yao.

Again, I can certainly see an argument that the moves by Phoenix and LA might necessitate a reshuffling of the roster, but I don't see how those moves suggest a countermove to acquire another wing player. I think that if those moves are the impetus for doing something to the Spurs roster, the only logical move is one to get a big man.
Okay.

Elson doesn't play anymore. Non-issue.

We know Artest does not play a prototypical PF/C, but he can play PF in small ball scenarios, as he has this season.

What I said before is that his overall skills gives us more talent (no... not at defending big men, but at the 3) that I believe we can live with Oberto and Horry at the 4.

In other words, the Spurs as a whole would improve enough to make up for the inadequacies at the PF/C.

That said, I agree that you can either make a modest move for a PF/C upgrade like Thomas or a more impactful move for the superior player, the SF Artest.

When we are talking the same basic package to get either player, I would rather get the more talented Artest, given the Spurs reputation for not being able to acquire star-quality players.

To each his own.

Either way, (Thomas or Artest), I'd be happy if the Spurs addressed something.

[Holt's Cat]

given the Spurs reputation for not being able to acquire star-quality players.

How'd they end up with 3 of them?

[Extra Stout]

It's more important to make a move in order to address the Spurs' reputation for not being able to attract star-quality players than it is to field a lineup with the best chance for winning a championship. Appearance > substance.

[ChumpDumper]

How'd they end up with 3 of them?Good teams have 15.

[FromWayDowntown]

How'd they end up with 3 of them?

and manage to keep them 2 of them who shopped around for free agent deals?

[Holt's Cat]

Man, I'll be glad when this trade deadline passes so Ghost will disappear until the summer when he can tell us that the Spurs won't win championship #6 without a trade...

[Ghost Writer]

How'd they end up with 3 of them?
The draft.

[FromWayDowntown]

Okay.

Elson doesn't play anymore. Non-issue.

We know Artest does not play a prototypical PF/C, but he can play PF in small ball scenarios, as he has this season.

What I said before is that his overall skills gives us more talent (no... not at defending big men, but at the 3) that I believe we can live with Oberto and Horry at the 4.

In other words, the Spurs as a whole would improve enough to make up for the inadequacies at the PF/C.

That said, I agree that you can either make a modest move for a PF/C upgrade like Thomas or a more impactful move for the superior player, the SF Artest.

When we are talking the same basic package to get either player, I would rather get the more talented Artest, given the Spurs reputation for not being able to acquire star-quality players.

To each his own.

Either way, (Thomas or Artest), I'd be happy if the Spurs addressed something.

And I'd argue that the thing that has made the Spurs the dominant franchise in the league for the past decade is realizing that the key to winning isn't surrounding Tim Duncan just with talented guys, but is, instead, surrounding Tim Duncan with talented guys who fill particular roles and are unquestionably accountable and professional.

Winning isn't just about aggregating talent.

[Extra Stout]

Making a move for Ron Artest, who doesn't address the Spurs' needs, and who introduces an element of needless chemistry risk on a team which has absolutely no cause for such desperation, will cause future players to discount the fact that San Antonio is a small city in flyover country with next to nothing for an NBA player to do, and therefore sign in San Antonio as free agents.

[Ghost Writer]

and manage to keep them 2 of them who shopped around for free agent deals?
Um, what does that have to do with this thread?

We're talking about adding talent, not keeping it.

[Ghost Writer]

If there was an award for the person that annoyed the fuck out of me the most on this board... you would be the 5 time repeat champion.

You're a fair weather poster and fan. You have the basketball mentality and knowledge of a Sun Fan.

In fact, you WOULD be a Sun fan if you were born anywhere else.

No one likes you.

No one gives a shit what you think.

The only reason people post on your threads is because of how much you fucking suck and they want to be a part of the train wreck.

You're the Sanjia Malakar of Spurstalk posters.
I just got you to post, fvckf4ce.

[FromWayDowntown]

Um, what does that have to do with this thread?

We're talking about adding talent, not keeping it.

I was just playing along. Still, the overarching issue isn't how the talent gets there but whether the talent is there. It's like questioning the methods that Michelangelo used to paint the Sistine Chapel -- does it really matter how it got done or that the end product is a work of art?

[Holt's Cat]

and manage to keep them 2 of them who shopped around for free agent deals?

Of course, that doesn't count because those were the Spurs' own free agents.

Duncan re-signed twice and then signed an extension on top of that. If that is not a validation of the Spurs' front office, I don't know.

[Ghost Writer]

And I'd argue that the thing that has made the Spurs the dominant franchise in the league for the past decade is realizing that the key to winning isn't surrounding Tim Duncan just with talented guys, but is, instead, surrounding Tim Duncan with talented guys who fill particular roles and are unquestionably accountable and professional.

Winning isn't just about aggregating talent.
And I'd argue that you'll make up any excuse in the book not to trade 3 guys that aren't currently contributing to the Spurs for Ron f'n Artest.

Fine...

Get Thomas.

I don't give afvck.

Just don't do nothing and arrogantly pretend that the Finals are the Spurs' entitlement.

[Holt's Cat]

The draft.

What's wrong with that?

[Ghost Writer]

Of course, that doesn't count because those were the Spurs' own free agents.

Duncan re-signed twice and then signed an extension on top of that. If that is not a validation of the Spurs' front office, I don't know.
No one ever argued that the Spurs don't do well in drafts or have not been able to re-sign their stars.

This thread is about the Western contenders upping the ante and whether we have enough to still win it all.

[Holt's Cat]

And I'd argue that you'll make up any excuse in the book not to trade 3 guys that aren't currently contributing to the Spurs for Ron f'n Artest.

Fine...

Get Thomas.

I don't give afvck.

Just don't do nothing and arrogantly pretend that the Finals are the Spurs' entitlement.


Well, it's easy to feel confident about the Spurs' championship chances considering that they've won 3 out of the last 5 NBA championships.

[Ghost Writer]

What's wrong with that?
Nothing.

Can we add to the Big Three now?

[Holt's Cat]

No one ever argued that the Spurs don't do well in drafts or have not been able to re-sign their stars.

Yet somehow it's a glaring problem as they haven't acquired one of those stars from another team.

[Ghost Writer]

Well, it's easy to feel confident about the Spurs' championship chances considering that they've won 3 out of the last 5 NBA championships.
Please read the first post in this thread to discover why that amounts to nothing on Feb. 20, 2008.

[FromWayDowntown]

And I'd argue that you'll make up any excuse in the book not to trade 3 guys that aren't currently contributing to the Spurs for Ron f'n Artest.

Fine...

Get Thomas.

I don't give afvck.

Just don't do nothing and arrogantly pretend that the Finals are the Spurs' entitlement.

You can argue that all you want -- my quarrel isn't with the idea of making a trade; it's with the idea that Artest is a better fit with the Spurs than other guys might be. I don't know why you're turning into such a bitch about this. We disagree. Did you really expect that you're going to convert me (or others) to the idea that Artest is a better fit here? Talk about arrogance.

[Holt's Cat]

Nothing.

Can we add to the Big Three now?


They've added to the big 3 and won titles. Pay attention.

[Ghost Writer]

Yet somehow it's a glaring problem as they haven't acquired one of those stars from another team.
Not really.

It's questionable as to why the Spurs either won't or can't improve the team outside of the draft, particularly this season when we have some health and effectiveness issues in the starting lineup and our rivals have all made moves to improve.

[Holt's Cat]

You can argue that all you want -- my quarrel isn't with the idea of making a trade; it's with the idea that Artest is a better fit with the Spurs than other guys might be. I don't know why you're turning into such a bitch about this. We disagree. Did you really expect that you're going to convert me (or others) to the idea that Artest is a better fit here? Talk about arrogance.

The true issue here is not trading for stars or ballas but something else. His ego. He needs to feel like he's making waves somewhere...

[MadDog73]

Maybe I'm just a Hopeless Homer, but I really don't see how Shaq helps the Suns run-and-gun style, or how a past-his-prime PG we beat in 2003 helps the Mavs. Shit, if Steve Nash couldn't give the Mavs a title, how the hell is Kidd going to do it?

Spurs have the best PG in the NBA. The best center in the NBA. The best defender in the NBA. The best Manu in the NBA (can't classify Manu, sorry). And, some of the best 3-point shooters in the NBA.

Will we win? Who knows. Who predicted the Spurs would win last year, when we didn't make any incredible trades, and we were too old, and tired....

just like this year.

[Holt's Cat]

Not really.

It's questionable as to why the Spurs either won't or can't improve the team outside of the draft, particularly this season when we have some health and effectiveness issues in the starting lineup and our rivals have all made moves to improve.

The Spurs have built a championship level supporting cast that's helped them win 3 titles in 5 years and come damn near close in the other 2 years.

[Ghost Writer]

You can argue that all you want -- my quarrel isn't with the idea of making a trade; it's with the idea that Artest is a better fit with the Spurs than other guys might be. I don't know why you're turning into such a bitch about this. We disagree. Did you really expect that you're going to convert me (or others) to the idea that Artest is a better fit here? Talk about arrogance.
No.

Relax.

As I said and explained a billion times for you, Mr. Thickhead, I prefer Artest, but would take Thomas.

Read before reacting, please.

I will not be happy doing nothing and rolling the dice.

I'm not convinced even at 100% that this team can duplicate last year's success given the moves in the West and our general atrophy.

Should I type slower?

[Holt's Cat]

Please read the first post in this thread to discover why that amounts to nothing on Feb. 20, 2008.


Because you've whined about the Spurs not making major trades, having "ballas" on the roster, and not drafting with lottery picks since Feb. 20, 1998?

[Ghost Writer]

The Spurs have built a championship level supporting cast that's helped them win 3 titles in 5 years and come damn near close in the other 2 years.
Duh.

Have you noticed that this year, they aren't 100% and the rest of the West has reloaded?

Stop living off your laurels.

[Ghost Writer]

Because you've whined about the Spurs not making major trades, having "ballas" on the roster, and not drafting with lottery picks since Feb. 20, 1998?
Huh?

Please read my first post in this thread and stay on topic.

[Holt's Cat]

Have you noticed that Parker is coming back and that Phoenix has slowed down and the Mavs have dealt their Spur killers?

Fuck dude, go rub one out whenever you feel the urge to bitch.

[Holt's Cat]

Huh?

Please read my first post in this thread and stay on topic.


Fuck that I'll respond to what I see on the page.

[ChumpDumper]

I think Thomas will be bought out.

I think the Kings might sit on Artest until the summer.


If they aren't available, wwgwd?

[MadDog73]

GW, if the Spurs don't win the title, the Pistons or Celtics will.

So don't worry. ;)

[Ghost Writer]

The true issue here is not trading for stars or ballas but something else. His ego. He needs to feel like he's making waves somewhere...
Unsubstantiated and desperate.

I endorsed your Thomas deal if Artest can't be done.

The point is not thinking last year's success equates to winning it again this year by bringing back the same exact team.

Oh, and looking to capitalize on unique opportunities to address weaknesses at 1. the PF/C and 2. the SF/SG spots via a single midseason trade.

Why are you so deadset against improving through a shrewd deal?

[Ghost Writer]

Fuck that I'll respond to what I see on the page.


I answer everything you throw at me and you desperately bring non-issues into this thread.

Respond to the crap you make up then.

While you're at it, fvck yourself.

[Holt's Cat]

Desperate? About what? This is the internets. You're the one giving this way too much significance.

[Ghost Writer]

I think Thomas will be bought out.

I think the Kings might sit on Artest until the summer.


If they aren't available, wwgwd?
Good questions.

Pray we get healthy and catch some breaks.

[Holt's Cat]

I answer everything you throw at me and you desperately bring non-issues into this thread.

Respond to the crap you make up then.

While you're at it, fvck yourself.


Non-issue? That is the issue. You need attention.

[Holt's Cat]

Good questions.

Pray we get healthy and catch some breaks.


Good idea. Start praying now. Off-line, preferably.

[FromWayDowntown]

No.

Relax.

As I said and explained a billion times for you, Mr. Thickhead, I prefer Artest, but would take Thomas.

Read before reacting, please.

I will not be happy doing nothing and rolling the dice.

I'm not convinced even at 100% that this team can duplicate last year's success given the moves in the West and our general atrophy.

Should I type slower?

None of which explains seemingly dismissive nonsense like:


Fine...

Get Thomas.

I don't give afvck.

[Ghost Writer]

Desperate? About what? This is the internets. You're the one giving this way too much significance.
You call me annoying, but you're equally if not more repetitive and a touch more cranky.

I would really like to get your insight on whether you give a d@mn about what the other teams have done and if we don't make a move, do ya think the Spurs have enough.

I don't usually agree with you, but I am man enough to say that I respect and value your opinion.

[ChumpDumper]

Good questions.

Pray we get healthy and catch some breaks.So Thomas and Artest are the only possible saviors for this team?

That's sad.

[Holt's Cat]

You call me annoying, but you're equally if not more repetitive and a touch more cranky.



Posting the same response to the same old repetitive bullshit.

[Ghost Writer]

None of which explains seemingly dismissive nonsense like:
S-l-o-w-l-y:

I would prefer to trade for Artest, but would be okay with Thomas.

I would like to trade Barry and Elson and pick(s), to shore up weaknesses / improve the team's overall talent, because what we're offering is not contributing now and I'm concerned with the Spurs in relation to what the rest of the West has done insofar as talent acquisitions.

Lemme know if I can say it any clearer or in a different way for you, FWD.

[FromWayDowntown]

S-l-o-w-l-y:

I would prefer to trade for Artest, but would be okay with Thomas.

I would like to trade Barry and Elson and pick(s), to shore up weaknesses / improve the team's overall talent, because what we're offering is not contributing now and I'm concerned with the Spurs in relation to what the rest of the West has done insofar as talent acquisitions.

Lemme know if I can say it any clearer or in a different way for you, FWD.

I understand your point. I didn't understand you being a dismissive bitch.

[1Parker1]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, wow go FWD! It takes a lot to get him mad!

[Extra Stout]

S-l-o-w-l-y:

I would prefer to trade for Artest, but would be okay with Thomas.

I would like to trade Barry and Elson and pick(s), to shore up weaknesses / improve the team's overall talent, because what we're offering is not contributing now and I'm concerned with the Spurs in relation to what the rest of the West has done insofar as talent acquisitions.

Lemme know if I can say it any clearer or in a different way for you, FWD.
Pop: Hey, Sam, how about Kurt Thomas for Barry, Elson, and a pick?
Presti: Uh, Pop, Barry's ancient, Elson sucks, and you always pick in the low 20's. I can do better than that.
GW: Dammit! Spurs never make trades!

[mexicanjunior]

S-l-o-w-l-y:

I would prefer to trade for Artest, but would be okay with Thomas.

I would like to trade Barry and Elson and pick(s), to shore up weaknesses / improve the team's overall talent, because what we're offering is not contributing now and I'm concerned with the Spurs in relation to what the rest of the West has done insofar as talent acquisitions.

Lemme know if I can say it any clearer or in a different way for you, FWD.

My goodness, how many times can you state the same opinion about Artest and Thomas? It's almost like your a forum bot or something...

Artest would be a bad move, mainly because I wouldn't trust him to respect the coach and follow the gameplan. Thomas I could definitely see helping this team, make it happen...

[Ghost Writer]

My goodness, how many times can you state the same opinion about Artest and Thomas? It's almost like your a forum bot or something...

Artest would be a bad move, mainly because I wouldn't trust him to respect the coach and follow the gameplan. Thomas I could definitely see helping this team, make it happen...
As many times as it takes FWD to understand and stop picking holes when I partially agree with his stubborn, argumentative @ss.

Read.

The.

Thread.

Then react if you must.

[FromWayDowntown]

As many times as it takes FWD to understand and stop picking holes when I partially agree with his stubborn, argumentative @ss.

Read.

The.

Thread.

Then react if you must.

I understand. I take offense with your tone.

[tp2021]

jesus...i agree to an extent, as i'm sure everyone does, with your take that we can't keep these guys forever. WE GET THAT. just stop acting like a kid in the back seat screaming "are we there yet? are we there yet?" It's not like we have any control over it. and your opinion has been heard already. many, many times. so please, just wait til thursday to talk about a trade or lack of one. jesus.

[Ghost Writer]

I understand. I take offense with your tone.
Tone aside, we're on the same page, just different paragraphs.

I definitely want to see the excess traded to help us immediately.

Whether that is for Artest or Thomas or whomever decent, that's fine by me.


P.S.

I gave you props for course correcting me on the sign-and-trade possibility yesterday, FWD.

[Holt's Cat]

The "excess" has been the deep bench that's come through for the Spurs at opportune times in the postseason.