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duncan228
02-20-2008, 02:41 PM
http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/archives/2008/02/jeff_mcdonald_p_7.html

Jeff McDonald: Parker says, "Thanks, Dallas"

If Tony Parker had been allowed a spot on the mythical NBA trade committee that Spurs coach Gregg Popovich wants to establish, this much is certain: He would have given a big thumbs up to the swap that brought Jason Kidd back to the Dallas Mavericks from New Jersey.

Yes, the Mavs added a Hall of Fame point guard, albeit one in the twilight of his career. But the cost was steep, especially when viewed through the prism of the Spurs-Mavs rivalry. To get Kidd, Dallas essentially parted with two players who have been perennial thorns in the Spurs' side -- Devin Harris and DeSagana Diop.

Here is Parker verbatim following Wednesday's practice: "To be honest with you, I'm really happy for that trade. Diop was doing a good job on us. And Devin Harris, most of the time, he played good against us. So I thought it would be good for us. No disrespect to Jason Kidd, he's a great point guard, but those guys that left always gave us trouble."

In that, Parker was simply verbalizing the conventional wisdom floating around the Spurs' locker room in the wake of the Kidd trade. Harris is one of the few point guards on the planet who can keep up with Parker's speed. Diop was a capable big man, useful for banging on Tim Duncan.

Now, both are in the Eastern Conference.

(Incidentally, Parker agrees with his coach on the swap the Lakers swung to pry Pau Gasol from Memphis. He called that deal a "Christmas gift.")

As for the question of whether the Spurs are poised to enter the trade market before Thursday's league-imposed deadline, the answer is still a definite maybe.

Once again Wednesday, Popovich declined to rule out the prospect of a minor deal before D-Day. But he also didn't sound like the Spurs were exactly drooling over the available prospects.

"Oh yeah, it's amazing, the thrill and elation we feel at some of the possibilities," Popovich said, with an overdose of sarcasm.

Holt's Cat
02-20-2008, 02:43 PM
"Oh yeah, it's amazing, the thrill and elation we feel at some of the possibilities," Popovich said, with an overdose of sarcasm.

So the Spurs are making a deal.

ancestron
02-20-2008, 02:43 PM
I heard the Spurs were getting Ricky Davis for Brent Barry.

Spurminator
02-20-2008, 02:46 PM
I agree with Tony but I'm not sure we need to give the Mavs bulletin board material...

midgetonadonkey
02-20-2008, 02:47 PM
I heard the Spurs are getting Vince Carter for Brent Barry.

ancestron
02-20-2008, 02:48 PM
I heard the Spurs are getting Vince Carter for Brent Barry.

Yeah, ok. I was being serious though.

hater
02-20-2008, 02:48 PM
Pop needs to slap Parker for his big mouth

ancestron
02-20-2008, 02:49 PM
remember this?

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K-State Spur
02-20-2008, 02:54 PM
I agree with Tony but I'm not sure we need to give the Mavs bulletin board material...

if the Mavs are mentally weak enough that they need bulletin board material to play their best against the Spurs, they're already beat.

bulletin board material is the most overrated aspect of the game.

timvp
02-20-2008, 02:57 PM
Anyone who has watched the Spurs and Mavs play in the last two years know that the Spurs were doing backflips when that trade went through. Devin Harris is probably the only player in the league who can stay in front of Parker defensively. On top of that, Diop is one of the few shotblockers in the league who has consistently gotten to Parker's tear drop.

Diop also bothers Duncan like few players in the league. The Mavs themselves had to know that the Spurs would be happy with the trade. However, most of the talk coming out of Dallas is basically saying that while the Mavs were built to beat the Spurs, they weren't going to win a championship because they didn't matchup well with many other teams.

There's no way the Mavs did that trade and thought they'd have a better shot against the Spurs. The Mavs did that trade because they didn't think they'd advance far enough in the playoffs to even face the Spurs if they didn't make a move.

Ghost Writer
02-20-2008, 03:01 PM
So the Spurs are making a deal.
My thoughts exactly.

I would never play Pop in poker.

ludda
02-20-2008, 03:03 PM
Anyone who has watched the Spurs and Mavs play in the last two years know that the Spurs were doing backflips when that trade went through. Devin Harris is probably the only player in the league who can stay in front of Parker defensively. On top of that, Diop is one of the few shotblockers in the league who has consistently gotten to Parker's tear drop.

Diop also bothers Duncan like few players in the league. The Mavs themselves had to know that the Spurs would be happy with the trade. However, most of the talk coming out of Dallas is basically saying that while the Mavs were built to beat the Spurs, they weren't going to win a championship because they didn't matchup well with many other teams.

There's no way the Mavs did that trade and thought they'd have a better shot against the Spurs. The Mavs did that trade because they didn't think they'd advance far enough in the playoffs to even face the Spurs if they didn't make a move.

I completely agree. Mavs knew they had no chance, probably not even pass the first round this year. They were still a weak ass team with no real leader so they had to do something.

Kidd trade makes Mavs better but worse against us. Then again, if we had met the Mavs w/ Harris, I still think we would win this time. It's not like they dominated us, the series went down Manu's foul and OT in game 7!

Dave McNulla
02-20-2008, 03:06 PM
this is great. i posted the article in a mavs forum... told them they have a built-in excuse.

Spurminator
02-20-2008, 03:08 PM
Devin Harris is probably the only player in the league who can stay in front of Parker defensively.

He was also one of the few PGs who could bully his way past Parker on the offensive end and finish at the basket. Now Deron Williams is really the only PG that will give Parket that kind of trouble in the West. Kidd has the size, but he's not as big of a threat to finish.

tlongII
02-20-2008, 03:14 PM
Anyone who has watched the Spurs and Mavs play in the last two years know that the Spurs were doing backflips when that trade went through. Devin Harris is probably the only player in the league who can stay in front of Parker defensively. On top of that, Diop is one of the few shotblockers in the league who has consistently gotten to Parker's tear drop.

Diop also bothers Duncan like few players in the league. The Mavs themselves had to know that the Spurs would be happy with the trade. However, most of the talk coming out of Dallas is basically saying that while the Mavs were built to beat the Spurs, they weren't going to win a championship because they didn't matchup well with many other teams.

There's no way the Mavs did that trade and thought they'd have a better shot against the Spurs. The Mavs did that trade because they didn't think they'd advance far enough in the playoffs to even face the Spurs if they didn't make a move.

I agree with this. However, the Spurs have bigger problems to worry about than the Mavericks. I would rate San Antonio as an underdog in a playoff series against either Los Angeles or Phoenix.

timvp
02-20-2008, 03:17 PM
I'm sure Pop is salivating at the thought of putting Bowen on Kidd and Parker on Terry. Parker is probably the best player on the team in terms of defending short guards who thrive on jumpers. Last year in the playoffs alone he shut down Barbosa, Fisher, Gibson and even Iverson at times. You matchup Parker against a smallish player who isn't overly strong and Parker won't give up any free looks.

MoSpur
02-20-2008, 03:26 PM
I think Parker is stating the obvious. Not much it will be easier to be Dallas. Just that Diop and Harris were two players who gave San Antonio all they could handle and them some at times.

picnroll
02-20-2008, 03:27 PM
I agree with this. However, the Spurs have bigger problems to worry about than the Mavericks. I would rate San Antonio as an underdog in a playoff series against either Los Angeles or Phoenix.
LA is a tough match up. Be good if the Spurs could add a better big.

Unless Shaq has been sleeping the last couple of years I don't see the Suns as a problem. Tough to say who's the worst big man in the league on P&R, Shaq or Amare. Suns lost the guy they put on Parker, Marion, so if Parker is healthy Suns got a problem.

Shank
02-20-2008, 03:30 PM
None of this talk even matters if the two teams don't match up in the playoffs.

Cry Havoc
02-20-2008, 03:37 PM
I'm sure Pop is salivating at the thought of putting Bowen on Kidd and Parker on Terry. Parker is probably the best player on the team in terms of defending short guards who thrive on jumpers. Last year in the playoffs alone he shut down Barbosa, Fisher, Gibson and even Iverson at times. You matchup Parker against a smallish player who isn't overly strong and Parker won't give up any free looks.

I have to wonder how effectively an aging Jason Kidd would be able to find teammates against Bowen, who did an excellent job on Nash last year. No doubt he would still be a factor, but Bowen is especially dominant against players that don't have a solid jumper. He can play a step back and use his hands to cover any passing lanes.

I have to think this removes Dallas from the #1 contender (against the Spurs only) spot. I see L.A. and Boston as the primary threats now in the playoffs. If we can get past the Lakers (or someone would do us the favor of knocking them out), I think we'll be Finals bound again this year.

1Parker1
02-20-2008, 03:45 PM
I don't know why so many people are underrating the Utah Jazz. They are going to a tough contender in the playoffs against anyone.

ApolloCreed
02-20-2008, 03:48 PM
I agree with Tony but I'm not sure we need to give the Mavs bulletin board material...

No joke.

MoSpur
02-20-2008, 03:57 PM
I don't know why so many people are underrating the Utah Jazz. They are going to a tough contender in the playoffs against anyone.

I don't. They are a tough and physical team. They rebound and defend well. I think people overlook them because they are Utah.

Cry Havoc
02-20-2008, 04:05 PM
I don't. They are a tough and physical team. They rebound and defend well. I think people overlook them because they are Utah.

They're awesome. But everything the Jazz do, from what I've seen, we tend to do just a little (or a lot) better. They remind me of a young Spurs team... although Boozer was embarassed last year by Duncan and Oberto both.

spursfan09
02-20-2008, 04:08 PM
I agree with Tony but I'm not sure we need to give the Mavs bulletin board material...

Compared to what Stackhouse always has to say? :lol
Atleast Parker's won something.

SenorSpur
02-21-2008, 12:56 PM
Anyone who has watched the Spurs and Mavs play in the last two years know that the Spurs were doing backflips when that trade went through. Devin Harris is probably the only player in the league who can stay in front of Parker defensively. On top of that, Diop is one of the few shotblockers in the league who has consistently gotten to Parker's tear drop.

Diop also bothers Duncan like few players in the league. The Mavs themselves had to know that the Spurs would be happy with the trade. However, most of the talk coming out of Dallas is basically saying that while the Mavs were built to beat the Spurs, they weren't going to win a championship because they didn't matchup well with many other teams.

There's no way the Mavs did that trade and thought they'd have a better shot against the Spurs. The Mavs did that trade because they didn't think they'd advance far enough in the playoffs to even face the Spurs if they didn't make a move.

All the more reason the Spurs should make a run at Diop over this offseason. Imagine the motivation he'd have in coming back to haunt the Mavs 4 times a year and possibly in the playoffs.

FromWayDowntown
02-21-2008, 01:01 PM
this is great. i posted the article in a mavs forum... told them they have a built-in excuse.

I've stopped lurking in other places, but went to check out their responses to this (and their thoughts on Kidd, Night 1). There are interesting differences in the ways that Spurs fans and Mavs fans see that rivalry.

CaptainLate
02-21-2008, 02:23 PM
Substitute "Parker" for "Paul", "Finley" for "Stojakovic" and "Ginobili" for "Jackson", and this is what is going to happen vs. Dallas if we meet in the Playoffs :elephant


[ Meanwhile, Paul’s dazzling performance on both ends of the floor had the enraptured crowd on its feet, raining down chants of “M-V-P!” for their own All-Star point guard while a banner offering similar sentiments flapped from the upper deck.

“It’s fun to watch. I was getting pumped up,” said Hornets center Tyson Chandler...“Tonight was unbelievable. The guy was all over the place. He took a personal challenge to go out and just, I mean, he was incredible. I haven’t seen anything like that in a while.”

While Paul dribbled surgically through Dallas’ defense, Peja Stojakovic and Bobby Jackson shot with precision from the perimeter, combining for eight of the Hornets’ 10 3-pointers as New Orleans won its fifth straight.

CaptainLate
02-21-2008, 02:27 PM
LA is a tough match up. Be good if the Spurs could add a better big.

Does Kurt Thomas answer the bell for you? :clap :ihit

CaptainLate
02-21-2008, 02:34 PM
There's no way the Mavs did that trade and thought they'd have a better shot against the Spurs. The Mavs did that trade because they didn't think they'd advance far enough in the playoffs to even face the Spurs if they didn't make a move.

I'm sure the Mavs are hoping what happened to them vs. GS last year :p: will happen to the Spurs this year -- i.e., Spurs get knocked out before the two meet. How funny would it be to have the Spurs and Mavs be the 4-5 seeds and the Mavs get knocked out 4-1? :dizzy

CaptainLate
02-21-2008, 02:45 PM
However, the Spurs have bigger problems to worry about than the Mavericks. I would rate San Antonio as an underdog in a playoff series against either Los Angeles or Phoenix.

And now, after the trade for KT? :oops

CaptainLate
02-21-2008, 02:49 PM
I don't know why so many people are underrating the Utah Jazz. They are going to a tough contender in the playoffs against anyone.

Still too young. They were fortunate to play GS in Round 2.

SenorSpur
02-21-2008, 02:54 PM
http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/archives/2008/02/jeff_mcdonald_p_7.html

Jeff McDonald: Parker says, "Thanks, Dallas"

If Tony Parker had been allowed a spot on the mythical NBA trade committee that Spurs coach Gregg Popovich wants to establish, this much is certain: He would have given a big thumbs up to the swap that brought Jason Kidd back to the Dallas Mavericks from New Jersey.

Yes, the Mavs added a Hall of Fame point guard, albeit one in the twilight of his career. But the cost was steep, especially when viewed through the prism of the Spurs-Mavs rivalry. To get Kidd, Dallas essentially parted with two players who have been perennial thorns in the Spurs' side -- Devin Harris and DeSagana Diop.

Here is Parker verbatim following Wednesday's practice: "To be honest with you, I'm really happy for that trade. Diop was doing a good job on us. And Devin Harris, most of the time, he played good against us. So I thought it would be good for us. No disrespect to Jason Kidd, he's a great point guard, but those guys that left always gave us trouble."

In that, Parker was simply verbalizing the conventional wisdom floating around the Spurs' locker room in the wake of the Kidd trade. Harris is one of the few point guards on the planet who can keep up with Parker's speed. Diop was a capable big man, useful for banging on Tim Duncan.

Now, both are in the Eastern Conference.

(Incidentally, Parker agrees with his coach on the swap the Lakers swung to pry Pau Gasol from Memphis. He called that deal a "Christmas gift.")

As for the question of whether the Spurs are poised to enter the trade market before Thursday's league-imposed deadline, the answer is still a definite maybe.

Once again Wednesday, Popovich declined to rule out the prospect of a minor deal before D-Day. But he also didn't sound like the Spurs were exactly drooling over the available prospects.

"Oh yeah, it's amazing, the thrill and elation we feel at some of the possibilities," Popovich said, with an overdose of sarcasm.

I just knew that we fans couldn't have been the only ones that saw the benefits from the Mavs doing this deal.