Chris Paul just ABUSED Jason Kidd

[50 cent]

Parker will do the same thing. The old man can't keep up with the fast guys.

31 pts
11 asts
9 stls
5 rebs
1 TO


Paul almost because the first player since Mookie Blaylock to post a points, assists, steals triple-double, which happened 10 years ago.

[whottt]

But but....Jason Kidd is a great defensive PG!

[Holt's Cat]

:smokin

[z0sa]

i cant wait to see parker matched up against him. If we play the mavs again and tony is healthy, he might average 30 a game.

jason kidd on defense + no diop to guard the paint = parker field day :tu

[Das Texan]

as long as tony is fully healthy, i'm quite thrilled at dallas having mr kidd

[Road Warrior]

The Mavs are soft inside and thats what is gonna do em in.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Kidd will now play the role as wifey. :smokin

[Knox]

I think we will match up better with Dally now that Harris is gone, he used to hurt us a lot going to the hoop with his quickness.

[timvp]

The Spurs could have traded Elson for Kevin Durant and it still wouldn't have been as good of a trade for the Spurs as that Kidd trade was.

:smokin

[T Park]

:lmao ^^^^^^^

[whottt]

9stls


Dammit...Paul is going to break an NBA record held by the Spurs before it's all over with.

[1Parker1]

Is there any doubt that Chris Paul should be MVP??

Too bad he probably won't get it.

[Shank]

Did any of you watch the game or are you just going off the final boxscore? Because if you actually watched the game you'd know that Kidd wasn't always defending Paul on every play.

But it doesn't matter. I know how you guys are. You'll go off the final results and just assume that Kidd was 10' behind on every play.

[z0sa]

The Spurs could have traded Elson for Kevin Durant and it still wouldn't have been as good of a trade for the Spurs as that Kidd trade was.

:smokin

:lol

i honestly dont think this trade was good for the mavs period, but ESPECIALLY against the spurs.

what was cuban thinking? he lost his chance with nash and saw his fault, so he went and got the next best thing?

[SequSpur]

wgaf....

[T Park]

Did any of you watch the game or are you just going off the final boxscore? Because if you actually watched the game you'd know that Kidd wasn't always defending Paul on every play.

But it doesn't matter. I know how you guys are. You'll go off the final results and just assume that Kidd was 10' behind on every play.


I watched the game and saw Kidd play pretty badly in that he didn't pass the ball well, and he played absolutely atrocious defense.

Spin it any way you want though.

[Hemotivo]

CP3 is the best pg in the NBA

No surprises here






:lol

[Shank]

I watched the game and saw Kidd play pretty badly in that he didn't pass the ball well, and he played absolutely atrocious defense.

Spin it any way you want though.

He passed the ball well enough for a guy that has been with his new team for just over 24 hours and has gone through a 90 minute practice and a walkthrough this afternoon. Not his fault Dampier has cinderblocks for hands and Eddie Jones thinks he can receive a pass while standing out of bounds. He did make some passes and ran the break (the couple times they did break) better than I've seen Harris do it. He fought through the Chandler screens well (again, something Harris wasn't always the best at) and came up with 3 steals on the night. He gets a pass because they haven't played together enough, but again - Paul's success wasn't directly attributed to Kidd defending him 1-1.

[T Park]

Not his fault Dampier has cinderblocks for hands and Eddie Jones thinks he can receive a pass while standing out of bounds

The play you speak of, I think Eddie Jones had his hands out to his sides, didn't look like he was calling for it.

[Nikos]

Chris Paul is the best PG in the league by far this year. He is playing and impacting the game like a 6 foot Magic Johnson. Not exactly a sin to get abused by him.

[lefty]

The wife beater just got wife beaten

[peskypesky]

I'm so glad Kurt Thomas is coming to the Spurs and not Dallas. It would've sucked if they'd gotten him to shore up their middle.

[ShoogarBear]

But but....Shaq is a great defensive presence!

[Dex]

Nowitzki, Howard, and Kidd with a combined -34 for the game. Starting five posted a -47.

Okie dokie. :smokin

[whottt]

Go Celts

[atxrocker]

chris paul has been fantastic this season.

[Shank]

Nowitzki, Howard, and Kidd with a combined -34 for the game. Starting five posted a -47.

Okie dokie. :smokin

It doesn't help when Avery still starts Devean George and Howard proceeds to go 2/11.

[K-State Spur]

Did any of you watch the game or are you just going off the final boxscore? Because if you actually watched the game you'd know that Kidd wasn't always defending Paul on every play.

But it doesn't matter. I know how you guys are. You'll go off the final results and just assume that Kidd was 10' behind on every play.

that's part of the Mavs' problem, they can't match him up with quicker guards on a regular basis.

when he and JET are on the floor, JET can play the point, but he's never exactly been known for his defense either.

Kidd is still a plus help defender, but in terms on on-ball defense, the Mavs are looking at having 3 or 4 guys on the court who are below average at crunch time. only howard can be counted on to stay between his man and the rim.

[whottt]

Did any of you watch the game or are you just going off the final boxscore? Because if you actually watched the game you'd know that Kidd wasn't always defending Paul on every play.

But it doesn't matter. I know how you guys are. You'll go off the final results and just assume that Kidd was 10' behind on every play.


And I want you to explain why Kidd wasn't defending Paul...



You see...had you been an NBA Fan 5 years ago, you'd have seen Jason Kidd openly begging for help with Tony Parker in the finals...and asking to not have to guard him.


You'd have also seen...the Nets cease to guard Parker with Kidd and start guarding him with Kerry Kittles.


He can't guard speedy PG's...


FACT.

And he'll be the first one to admit it.


That's why we're happy...because Devin Harris guarded Parker better than any player in the NBA....and to make it worse, he scored on Parker while he was doing it...unlike Kidd.



You guys started giving us shit when you got Devin Harris to put on Parker.


This isn't spin...old school Spurfans knew this was going to happen and this is why no one cared about the Kidd trade, and if anything were openly rooting for it....if it meant no more Harris.


Vaya Con Dios Devin Harris...you fucking pain in the ass.

[mavs>spurs2]

Whatever makes Spur fan feel more secure in the pants..

[TDMVPDPOY]

that's part of the Mavs' problem, they can't match him up with quicker guards on a regular basis.

when he and JET are on the floor, JET can play the point, but he's never exactly been known for his defense either.

Kidd is still a plus help defender, but in terms on on-ball defense, the Mavs are looking at having 3 or 4 guys on the court who are below average at crunch time. only howard can be counted on to stay between his man and the rim.

u forgot erica

[Holt's Cat]

Whatever makes Spur fan feel more secure in the pants..


One more time. With feeling.

[Shank]

And I want you to explain why Kidd wasn't defending Paul...



You see...had you been an NBA Fan 5 years ago, you'd have seen Jason Kidd openly begging for help with Tony Parker in the finals...and asking to not have to guard him.


He can't guard speedy PG's...


FACT.

And he'll be the first one to admit it.

Why the fuck would anyone watch a Nets-Spurs Finals? Kids from the Make-A-Wish Foundation would rather opt for a quick death than to have to sit through that. Nice try at your little insult, though.

All the credit goes to Paul. He hit some amazing shots tonight. The Hornets would be below .500 if it weren't for him. The Mavs switched off their screens a lot tonight and Paul found himself confronted with Dampier or George. From there, it was a walk into the paint for an easy shot. The high screen killed the Mavs tonight, as it has for most of the year. But it's not like we saw Paul bring it up, clear everyone out to be 1-1 on Kidd and then proceed to juke his ass or throw up a 3 in his face. Team defense on Paul was shit and yes - Kidd was obviously part of the team in these lapses.

[whottt]

Why the fuck would anyone watch a Nets-Spurs Finals? .


So they wouldn't do stupid shit like trading away the key to beating the champs for a liability against them.


Then again...you are Mav and you wear stupidity with pride.


All the credit goes to Paul. He hit some amazing shots tonight. The Hornets would be below .500 if it weren't for him. The Mavs switched off their screens a lot tonight and Paul found himself confronted with Dampier or George. From there, it was a walk into the paint for an easy shot. The high screen killed the Mavs tonight, as it has for most of the year. But it's not like we saw Paul bring it up, clear everyone out to be 1-1 on Kidd and then proceed to juke his ass or throw up a 3 in his face. Team defense on Paul was shit and yes - Kidd was obviously part of the team in these lapses.


And I promise you....Kidd cannot guard Parker. I look forward to you finding this out the hard way...dumbass.


PS: The Spurs defense is predicated on disrupting the passing of dominant PG's...it does that better than it does anything else.

That's why they annually lead the league in fewest APG allowed...and flat own teams with high assist PGs...like the Nash Mavs, and Suns.

You guys started beating us when your offense stopped being predicated on passing and started being about one on one attacking...we didn't have the athletes to put on all of them.

Note the season you guys started kicking our ass was when your assists per game total fell substantially...



In short...if you get your dumb fucking Mavs skull out of your ass you'll see why we are happy about this trade...and not, oh say....the trade for Shaq.

[z0sa]

Why the fuck would anyone watch a Nets-Spurs Finals? Kids from the Make-A-Wish Foundation would rather opt for a quick death than to have to sit through that. Nice try at your little insult, though.

All the credit goes to Paul. He hit some amazing shots tonight. The Hornets would be below .500 if it weren't for him. The Mavs switched off their screens a lot tonight and Paul found himself confronted with Dampier or George. From there, it was a walk into the paint for an easy shot. The high screen killed the Mavs tonight, as it has for most of the year. But it's not like we saw Paul bring it up, clear everyone out to be 1-1 on Kidd and then proceed to juke his ass or throw up a 3 in his face. Team defense on Paul was shit and yes - Kidd was obviously part of the team in these lapses.

must suck to know the high pick n roll with tim and parker is going to be in full effect come playoff time

[Shank]

So they wouldn't stupid shit like trading away the key to beating the champs for a liability against them.


Then again...you are Mav and you wear stupidity with pride.




And I promise you....Kidd cannot guard Parker. I look forward to you finding this out the hard way...dumbass.

What's your fucking problem? I answered your question of the Mavs defensive issues tonight and you proceed to act like a child. You think that maybe, just maybe the Mavs might be concerned about the 6 other teams that will make the playoffs in the West and not just your precious Spurs? Everyone is acting like Devin Harris is God's gift to basketball and that the Mavs wouldn't come close if it weren't for him. There's a 7 foot tall German that you seem to have forgotten about. He'll still get his against your guys. Get off the fucking Kool-Aid for once and take a step back.

I love the bullshit around here that it's cool that Shaq is still a bit rusty in his first game back for the Suns but Kidd and the Mavs get shit on for losing. You ain't shit, whottt.

[Findog]

Chris Paul threw up 33 and 12 on the Mavs back in December, with defensive ace Devin Harris in the lineup. No doubt Harris was a matchup problem for the Spurs, but the Mavs made this deal because he's not the distributor that Kidd is. What good is it if you can beat San Antonio if you can never advance far enough into the playoffs to face them?

It's a risky move, but one the Mavs felt that they had to make. The Spurs are the defending champs, but last I checked, you have to beat four teams to win a title, not just them. Chris Paul makes a lot of people look bad, not just Jason Kidd. We just got a new PG, and it was obvious they weren't in sync because they had never played together before....not knowing where to set picks, where guys want it, a lot of turnovers because guys didn't know where Kidd was going to set them up. It's going to take time to build continuity and chemistry. The biggest potential drawback in the trade is that they have only two months to get that on-court chemistry going, not because they gave away a couple of matchup killers that cause problems for a conference rival. We still have Josh, Jet and Dirk, who are all Spurs killers, and now they have a PG who is going to make their life even easier?

[Holt's Cat]

So Dirk gets his and the Mavs can't get any stops against the Spurs. Brilliant trade.

[Radiosparks]

One more time. With feeling.

Hahahahahaa...with feeling cabron! :lol

[Findog]

What's your fucking problem? I answered your question of the Mavs defensive issues tonight and you proceed to act like a child.

smegmattt is the worst kind of fan. He's a frontrunner that jumped from the Mavs to the Spurs bandwagon. I think I'll turn in my MFFL shirt and go root for KG and the Celtics.

[whottt]

I love the bullshit around here that it's cool that Shaq is still a bit rusty in his first game back

Um...Shaq hasn't played in a month...

Kidd played like...last night.



for the Suns but Kidd and the Mavs get shit on for losing. You ain't shit, whottt.


Yeah...we're just trying to shit on the Mavs...because we all love the Suns here.

Dumbfuck.


Say what you want...Kidd can't guard Parker, Harris could...that's why we're happy about this trade.

[Findog]

So Dirk gets his and the Mavs can't get any stops against the Spurs. Brilliant trade.

Yeah, it's too bad we traded away Oscar Robertson in order to get Kidd. Beat the Spurs, and you win a title. Right? What were the Mavs thinking?

[whottt]

smegmattt is the worst kind of fan. He's a frontrunner that jumped from the Mavs to the Spurs bandwagon. I think I'll turn in my MFFL shirt and go root for KG and the Celtics.


Stop listening to the bullshit...I have never rooted for the Mavs ever.


Fucking idiot...if I was bandwagooner, I never would have been on the Mavs, becuase the've sucked worse than the Spurs except for like 2 years in the eighties.



Think about it for a second...

[Findog]

Stop listening to the bullshit...I have never rooted for the Mavs ever.


Fucking idiot...if I was bandwagooner, I never would have been on the Mavs, becuase the've sucked worse than the Spurs except for like 2 years in the eighties.



Think about it for a second...

I wonder why your fellow Spurs buddies call you a "recovering Mavs fan" then. It's okay whottt, we know you didn't have the heart to stick with your team during all the bad times. Better to root for a team that gets the first pick in the draft every ten years.

[Findog]

*Waiting for the four paragraphs of nothing but profanity from whottt...*

Does whottt have tourette's?

[Shank]

Um...Shaq hasn't played in a month...

Kidd played like...last night.




Yeah...we're just trying to shit on the Mavs...because we all love the Suns here.

Dumbfuck.


Say what you want...Kidd can't guard Parker, Harris could...that's why we're happy about this trade.

Is it more difficult to be 7' tall, 300 pounds and camp out around 16 square feet for about 30 minutes after practicing with your new team for more than a week? Or to come to a new team and have to run the point with a bunch of strangers you haven't known for more than a day all while trying to learn offensive and defensive sets on the fly?

Go fuck yourself, whottt. Fucking wannabe Internet tough guy.

[ShoogarBear]

:lmao

[Findog]

Remaining Mavs Schedule: 15 home games, 13 road games, 5 back to backs.

15 games against + .500 teams, 13 games against - .500 teams.

[vander]

where's that guy "ghost writer"? I'm sure he has some comical excuse for his boy Kidd, most likely featuring triple-doubles :blah

[whottt]

I wonder why your fellow Spurs buddies call you a "recovering Mavs fan" then.


:lol because they can't handle the fact that their favorite player is your coach, and they give him a free pass. And when I call them out about it, they flat out have to make up lies, that's why.








It's okay whottt, we know you didn't have the heart to stick with your team during all the bad times.

:lmao...

You idiot..there was never a better time to be a Mav fan than a Spursfans....the Mavs are unbandwaggonable from the Spurs. Even when they were good in the late eighties, Drob was on the way to the Spurs.


The Mavs have been shit compared to the Spurs since the day they entered the NBA....when would have been this time I was a Mav fan and not a Spur fan?

When, when was this window of opportunity?

This Golden Age of Mav Basketball?

:lmao

Douche.







Better to root for a team that gets the first pick in the draft every ten years.


Better to root for a team that has only had like 4 losing records in it's entire history...as opposed to one that has been the joke of the NBA for 20 of it's 27 years....bandwaggoner, or not.


Seriously...there was no time for a bandwaggon jumper to jump from the Spurs to the Mavs....stop flattering yourself and realize how bad the Mavs have sucked for nearly all of their history.

[Shank]

How loud WAS Reunion back in the day, whottt?

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I have not seen chris paul play at all this season, which is too bad.

And, I always thought Jkidd was waaay overrated. Anybody playing the guard positions should be able to put the ball in the hole. They always talk about his rebounding blah blah blah...that's why you've got centers and forwards so wgaf.

[Findog]

How loud WAS Reunion back in the day, whottt?

Fuck that Reunion Rowdies bullshit, whottt is all about Moody Madness.

[whottt]

How loud WAS Reunion back in the day, whottt?


I'm telling you....nothing fires up a crowd like those 13 win seasons...be still my bandwaggoning heart.

:lmao @ Mavfan thinking his team was ever bandwaggonable from the Spurs.

[Findog]

:lol because they can't handle the fact that their favorite player is your coach, and they give him a free pass. And when I call them out about it, they flat out have to make up lies, that's why.







:lmao...

You idiot..there was never a better time to be a Mav fan than a Spursfans....the Mavs are unbandwaggonable from the Spurs. Even when they were good in the late eighties, Drob was on the way to the Spurs.


The Mavs have been shit compared to the Spurs since the day they entered the NBA....when would have been this time I was a Mav fan and not a Spur fan?

When, when was this window of opportunity?

This Golden Age of Mav Basketball?

:lmao

Douche.








Better to root for a team that has only had like 4 losing records in it's entire history...as opposed to one that has been the joke of the NBA for 20 of it's 27 years....bandwaggoner, or not.


Seriously...there was no time for a bandwaggon jumper to jump from the Spurs to the Mavs....stop flattering yourself and realize how bad the Mavs have sucked for nearly all of their history.

SPURS RULE! 4 RINGS!

I think you're on to something whottt. I'm going to become a Lakers or Celtics fan. I haven't decided which yet.

[whottt]

:lol

[Shank]

:lol

We're laughing at your dumb bandwagoning ass, whottt. But seriously - how cool was Brad Davis back in the day?

[T Park]

I always thought Darren Morningstar was the coolest.

[Findog]

We're laughing at your dumb bandwagoning ass, whottt. But seriously - how cool was Brad Davis back in the day?

Who cares about Brad Wayne Davis and his mullet haircut and child molester mustache? The Celtics have 16 titles, the Mavs have none. Fuck the Mavs!

[whottt]

We're laughing at your dumb bandwagoning ass, whottt.

And I'm laughing at you for not realizing how bad the Mavs have sucked for virtually their entire history.


Not to mention the fact that you guys don't realize Kidd is going to get owned by Parker...badly.

[T Park]

I honestly don't know where these guys are getting the "whottt" is a bandwagoner thing.

[Findog]

And I'm laughing at you for not realizing how bad the Mavs have sucked for virtually their entire history.


Not to mention the fact that you guys don't realize Kidd is going to get owned by Parker...badly.

Fuck you whottt. Celtics 16 > Spurs 4.

[Shank]

And I'm laughing at you for not realizing how bad the Mavs have sucked for virtually their entire history.
.

Yeah, but at what point did you jump off the bandwagon?

[ShoogarBear]

Hey, fuck off Mav Fans. Stop using my schtick. :flipoff

[ChumpDumper]

mavfans is so gullible.

[whottt]

I honestly don't know where these guys are getting the "whottt" is a bandwagoner thing.



Well...I'm not going to give out any names but their initials are timvp and ShoogarBear.


I'm a fan of all the Dallas Pro Teams except the Mavs...because I'm from Dallas...

They conclude that because I am a fan of the:
Rangers
Cowboys(along with 90% of the other Spursfans)

I must also have been a Mav fan at one point...


In their ingorance they overlook the fact that I chose my teams in the seventies and the Mavs weren't aroind then...on top of that, the Spurs originated in Dallas in the first place.



Bottom line...if I was a bandwaggoner...Would I be a fucking Ranger fan?
A lifelong Ranger fan no less. And baseball is my favorite sport...if I was going to jump teams I damn sure would do it in baseball first.



I didn't actully hate the Mavs until Cuban bought them though. They were kind of cute in a pathetic hapless sort of way.

But Cuban?
AJ being fucking the coach?


And most importantly, the billions of douchebag Mavfans on this board that didn't even follow basketball prior to 2006...


I hate the Mavs now...



Do not confuse this with my hating the city of Dallas, because I don't. I quite like it actually...I like SA better though. It's MavFan, Cuban and AJ that I hate.

[ShoogarBear]

I'm a fan of all the Dallas Pro Teams Sigs R Us.

[cheguevara]

Good thing Joumana bailed, otherwise someone be gettin fucked up tonight @ casa de Kidd.

:lmao

[Findog]

Do not confuse this with my hating the city of Dallas, because I don't. I quite like it actually...

I'll bet you do. I'm sure you always make sure to trek over to Turtle Creek when you're in town.

[Findog]

Does whottt know what paragraphs are? What's with the double-spacing of sentences?

[whottt]

Too many potheads on this board for paragraphs...they lack the attention span. Plus I don't want the genius of my thoughts crowded out by my other genius thoughts. I want them to stand apart in their own glory like the works of art they are. Simple really.


And I don't know the inside geography of Dallas...I haven't lived there since I was like 3.

[whottt]

Sigs R Us.


yeah but...I want to know who you rooted for prior to 1977....

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Following the game Mark Cuban was seen screaming into his cellphone "I want to renege!! I want to renege!!"




Not sure who he was talking to.

[Findog]

Following the game Mark Cuban was seen screaming into his cellphone "I want to renege!! I want to renege!!"




Not sure who he was talking to.

I couldn't help but think that the biggest potential drawback to this trade isn't losing Harris and Diop because of how they give the Spurs fits. What good does it do to be able to beat the Spurs if you can't advance far enough to face them?

How long has Kidd been on the trading block? It's probably going to take about 10 games or so for these guys to get some kind of on-court chemistry going. There isn't that kind of luxury this year in the West. A lot of the sloppy turnovers came from guys not being in the correct position to receive his passes, not being in sync on where to set the picks, etc. Switching out your PG two months before the money season doesn't leave for much time to get it together, it's a bigger adjustment to replace quarterbacks than it is for Shaq or Gasol to take up space on the low blocks for their respective teams.

I'm wondering why they couldn't have done this earlier. But we have a nice little three-game stretch of Grizzlies, T-Pups and Bulls to get us back in the W column.

[whottt]

I couldn't help but think that the biggest potential drawback to this trade isn't losing Harris and Diop because of how they give the Spurs fits. What good does it do to be able to beat the Spurs if you can't advance far enough to face them?

How long has Kidd been on the trading block? It's probably going to take about 10 games or so for these guys to get some kind of on-court chemistry going. There isn't that kind of luxury this year in the West. A lot of the sloppy turnovers came from guys not being in the correct position to receive his passes, not being in sync on where to set the picks, etc. Switching out your PG two months before the money season doesn't leave for much time to get it together, it's a bigger adjustment to replace quarterbacks than it is for Shaq or Gasol to take up space on the low blocks for their respective teams.

I'm wondering why they couldn't have done this earlier. But we have a nice little three-game stretch of Grizzlies, T-Pups and Bulls to get us back in the W column.



You guys flat out screwed up by trading Devin Harris...Period....at least when it comes to playing us.

Man I hated that dude...probably like you guys hate Manu.

[nkdlunch]

Mavs are seriously playing with 1 big man?????

Cuban is a complete moron

[whottt]

Go fuck yourself, whottt. Fucking wannabe Internet tough guy.



WTF?


I have never threatened anyone on this board...I really get tired of hearing that.

IF you think I won't be an asshole in person in an argument...I will. I can't help it. It's just my nature. I just try not to argue in person, actually I don't even like arguing in person, because they do get heated etc. it's just not worth it. But here? It's why I'm here. If you say something stupid you should be prepared to get called out for it.


An internet tough guy is someone who threatens people...and I have never done that. In fact I laugh at people that get that mad...


Get the difference.

[Findog]

You guys flat out screwed up by trading Devin Harris...Period....at least when it comes to playing us.

Man I hated that dude...probably like you guys hate Manu.

It's not a slam dunk like Rasheed going to the Pistons in 2004. And I was against the idea of trading for Kidd, for much of those reasons, that Harris and Diop were vital against the Spurs, it would fuck our cap situation, and we still had a young nucleus. But you have to admit, that even though we've won 9 out of the last 14 games against you guys, the playoff series was decided by the length of a fingernail, and it's not like we own you guys, the Spurs were more than capable of beating the previous incarnation of the Mavs.

I think the team started from the same proposition as Phoenix: We're probably not going to win a title as is, so we need to go in a different direction. I've never seen the West this top-heavy and tight this late in the season, as we're simultaneously 3 games out of the 1 seed and 2 games away from the lottery.

Kidd is a better passer, has better court vision, and is better defending the bigger guards like B-Diddy than Devin Harris. It's not like Devin Harris is a shut-down defender, he just tends to cancel out Tony Parker. It's risky, but the Mavs don't have four titles, they're desperately trying to win just one.

[whottt]

Kidd is a better passer, has better court vision, and is better defending the bigger guards like B-Diddy than Devin Harris. It's not like Devin Harris is a shut-down defender, he just tends to cancel out Tony Parker. It's risky, but the Mavs don't have four titles, they're desperately trying to win just one.


And you know...you guys might have had the team to do it this season.

Kidd's strengths play to the Spurs strenghts defensively...and Paker plays to Kidd's weakness densively.

Harris OTOH played to our weakneeses on both sides of the ball.

We'll see what happens...but the reason so many Spursfans are celebrating this trade is legitimate...it's because of how badly Kidd matched up on Parker in the 2003 NBA finals...and Parker was just 20 years old then, and Kidd was in his prime.

Like I said...you guys feel you're better? More power to you...but a lot of us are thrilled Devin Harris is gone...because he was like your Manu when it came to matching up with us.

[Findog]

And you know...you guys might have had the team to do it this season.

Kidd's strengths play to the Spurs strenghts defensively...and Paker plays to Kidd's weakness densively.

Harris OTOH played to our weakneeses on both sides of the ball.

We'll see what happens...but the reason so many Spursfans are celebrating this trade is legitimate...it's because of how badly Kidd matched up on Parker in the 2003 NBA finals...and Parker was just 20 years old then, and Kidd was in his prime.

Like I said...you guys feel you're better? More power to you...but a lot of us are thrilled Devin Harris is gone...because he was like your Manu when it came to matching up with us.


Oh, I totally understand, I made pretty much the same argument. I felt this team deserved one more shot after coming so close in 06 and playing at such a dominant level before peaking too early last year. If anything, Avery is now on the hot seat. If we lose in the first round again, I wouldn't be surprised if he's let go.

[mavsfan1000]

Man no pity from spurs fans around here. We got a stupid GM that just broke our franchise with one trade. Anyways we both can agree that we hate the Lakers. :toast

[Dingle Barry]

whottt is virtua-raping some mavtroll tonight. nice.

paragraph smack?

[Princess Pimp]

Parker will do the same thing. The old man can't keep up with the fast guys.

31 pts
11 asts
9 stls
5 rebs
1 TO


Paul almost because the first player since Mookie Blaylock to post a points, assists, steals triple-double, which happened 10 years ago.

He will again abuse the entire Spurs team this Saturday

[ChumpDumper]

Suns lost.

[Findog]

Suns lost.

Night's not entirely a waste.

[mavsfan1000]

He will again abuse the entire Spurs team this Saturday
Possibly but I think Parker on the perimeter and Duncan in the interior have a better shot at slowing down Paul.

[anakha]

He will again abuse the entire Spurs team this Saturday

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87543

Just like how you said the Lakers were the Vegas favorites, despite Boston having better odds? :lol

[Princess Pimp]

Suns lost.

No shit!

[timvp]

Hey, Mav Fan calling whottt a Mav Fan isn't cool. Spurs fans can get away saying that because that's Spurs fan on Spurs fan violence. Mav Fan doesn't get that leeway. Call one of us a Mav Fan and you are insulting all of us.

Besides ... whottt's right. Devin Harris is the only point guard in the league who can stay in front of Parker defensively. And as far as Chris Paul goes, Parker has historically dominated him. Out of all their matchups, Paul has had the upper hand in only two or three of those games. Kidd, on the other hand, is going to get burned by Paul, Williams and Parker every game due solely on speed and quickness. If the Spurs and Mavs play in the playoffs, Kidd will have to end up guarding Bowen.

And not only Harris, freakin' Diop was one of two players in the NBA (along with Camby) who can block Parker's tear drop. Outside of Dirk and Howard, if I had to pick two players to take away from the Mavs, Harris and Diop might have been at the top of the list. Jason Kidd? Eh, if the Spurs lose to a Jason Kidd team, they weren't winning the championship anyways. Everything Kidd does is what the Spurs specialize in defending against.

[whottt]

Hey, Mav Fan calling whottt a Mav Fan isn't cool. Spurs fans can get away saying that because that's Spurs fan on Spurs fan violence. Mav Fan doesn't get that leeway. Call one of us a Mav Fan and you are insulting all of us.


You mean you and Shoogar were just f'n with me?





Besides ... whottt's right. Devin Harris is the only point guard in the league who can stay in front of Parker defensively. And as far as Chris Paul goes, Parker has historically dominated him. Out of all their matchups, Paul has had the upper hand in only two or three of those games. Kidd, on the other hand, is going to get burned by Paul, Williams and Parker every game due solely on speed and quickness. If the Spurs and Mavs play in the playoffs, Kidd will have to end up guarding Bowen.


Seriously...I always loved playing the Mavs that averaged 25 assists per game to get their 100 points, because I'd look at the Spurs allowing 17 assists per game....defense overrules offense every time.


Then...I looked at the Mavs after Nash and they were still scoring 100 ppg...and the Spurs were still giving up only 17 apg...

But I knew were in trouble when I saw the Mavs were doing that only averaging 16 APG...there was no passing for the Spurs D to disrupt...and Harris was a huge part of that.

That's what got us...and AJ knew it would, because he knew what the foundation for our D was...from inside experience.


The little trick AJ pulled...it was the #1 thing the Mavs were doing to beat us. We could not disrupt their offense the way AJ had it structured...and Pop was forced to go to smallball to hang with them offensively. AJ forced us to give up our D...and forced Pop to become an offense oriented coach.

That's gone now...completely....





And not only Harris, freakin' Diop was one of two players in the NBA (along with Camby) who can block Parker's tear drop. Outside of Dirk and Howard, if I had to pick two players to take away from the Mavs, Harris and Diop might have been at the top of the list. Jason Kidd? Eh, if the Spurs lose to a Jason Kidd team, they weren't winning the championship anyways. Everything Kidd does is what the Spurs specialize in defending against.


I hadn't even thought about Diop but yeah...he was a problem too...too bad we couldn't have ditched Terry in this deal somehow...then we'd be looking at sweeping the Mavs.

[batboy]

Did any of you watch the game or are you just going off the final boxscore? Because if you actually watched the game you'd know that Kidd wasn't always defending Paul on every play.

But it doesn't matter. I know how you guys are. You'll go off the final results and just assume that Kidd was 10' behind on every play.

Nice -- trade left you with a PG that can't or won't pull duty on the elite PGs and Notwitzki anchoring the post.


:hungry:

[Shank]

Nice -- trade left you with a PG that can't or won't pull duty on the elite PGs and Notwitzki anchoring the post.


:hungry:

And if the trade didn't go through when it did, the Mavs would still be without Harris here for 2 weeks. Who's to say they'd fare much better with the Barea/Terry backcourt in that span?

[batboy]

And if the trade didn't go through when it did, the Mavs would still be without Harris here for 2 weeks. Who's to say they'd fare much better with the Barea/Terry backcourt in that span?

fck the regular season. Dallas was really the only team I certainly didn't want to see in the playoffs before this trade.

Now? Bring it.

I just pray we don't see NO and Bonzi now.

[ShoogarBear]

I guess I should feel bad for letting whottt dangle while timvp stepped up and defended him.

I guess I should.

[whottt]

timvp>Shoogar

[ShoogarBear]

Kori probably nagged him into doing it.

[phyzik]

Im still not completely sold this "seals the deal" for the Spurs if we match up with the mavs in the playoffs, but it definately didnt hurt. Devin Harris was a Spurs killer, as well as Diop. Getting rid of them doesnt help the mavs at all if we meet up.

But still, they are a good team and should still be respected.

I want to believe we can trash them like we used to do back before 2005 but I just dont see it being that easy.....





That being said, Tony drops his nuts right on Kidds chin and forehead like nobody's business. :smokin

[SouthernFried]

Oh, I totally understand, I made pretty much the same argument. I felt this team deserved one more shot after coming so close in 06 and playing at such a dominant level before peaking too early last year. If anything, Avery is now on the hot seat. If we lose in the first round again, I wouldn't be surprised if he's let go.

I totally agree with this. Mavs were right there, and getting more playoff experience every year. These guys were getting "seasoned" in the playoffs...and I think people underate that.

They needed another chance, they were close...very close. I feared Dallas more than any other team.

This is a major chemistry break-up for a team that was a major contender. Something I don't think the Spurs FO would ever do, and might be the major difference between teams like the Spurs and Mavs. I think the Mavs FO was impatient and panicked. The Spurs trade was more of a complement to the team...the Mavs trade was a major change.

A major change I'm not sure was that necessary.

That Golden State loss freaked Cuban to over reacting, imho.

...and Chris Paul is just insane. He'll abuse anyone and everyone.