ESPN radio: Brent Barry has just been waived

[jmard5]

Just heard it mentioned.

[Ocotillo]

The plot thickens.

[DespЏrado]

Yeah it's been in a thread or two already

It's a footnote in the Bulls, Cleveland, Seattle trade

Link: "In order to complete the trade, the Sonics waived Brent Barry to make the necessary roster spots available. Barry was acquired yesterday in a trade with the San Antonio Spurs. " (http://www.nba.com/sonics/news/trade080221.html)

[some_user86]

I really, really hope he comes back. It's nice to have a shooter on the bench as an option when all else fails, a la Steve Kerr.

But, I am fine with him signing elsewhere, as long as he doesn't sign with Suns, Mavs, Celtics, Pistons, or Lakers. :)

[picnroll]

Welcome back Barry.

[lefty]

" Please come back Brent "

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/AGF/5262~Boy-Praying-Posters.jpg

[spursfan09]

So why would the league allow this after what happpened with the Mavs and Stackhouse?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If he was waived then anyone could pick him up (i.e., Phoenix, Dallas, etc.). That would suck.

I wonder if he was waived or bought out...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So why would the league allow this after what happpened with the Mavs and Stackhouse?

Because unlike Stackhouse, Barry isn't a dumbass who mouthed off about coming back when cut.

[bdictjames]

I hope he goes back to the Spurs, hopefully it was planned.

Not the Lakers though, please, not them.

[spursfan09]

Because unlike Stackhouse, Barry isn't a dumbass who mouthed off about coming back when cut.

:lol
True, but does he have to wait 30 days or something like that?

[dknights411]

So why would the league allow this after what happpened with the Mavs and Stackhouse?

Because Stack ran his mouth before the trade was official, which is a league no-no. Barry, on the other hand, kept his mouth shut.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

suns could easily throw a lot of money at Barry, just so he doesn't go back to SA

[DespЏrado]

So why would the league allow this after what happpened with the Mavs and Stackhouse?


Because Barry kept his mouth shut. If there was an agreement that Barry would get waived it's been done behind closed doors. And Barry should be smart enough to at least field offers from anyone once he clears waivers.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

suns could easily throw a lot of money at Barry, just so he doesn't go back to SA

Brent Barry could easily say fuck it and come back to SA, just so he doesn't have to go out in the first round or put up with Coach Adolf and his 'stache.

[DespЏrado]

The Suns also are in cap hell with Shaq's 20 million over each of the next 2 years.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

suns could easily throw a lot of money at Barry, just so he doesn't go back to SA
Yea because Brent is all about the money, which explains why he turned down larger offers from Golden State and Portland when he signed with us.

[E20]

If Barry comes back to the Spurs, then CIA Pop is gooey shit slicky!!

Whoooooooooooooooooooooooo! :lol

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

I hear he's going to the Suns

[Sigz]

This is perfect.


30 days of pure rest at home.

And then he would hopefully join back up with us!

Brent... taking one for the team. What a stud.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I hear he's going to the Suns

You hear voices in your head talking about midgets too. WGAF.

Phoenix is in cap hell and now they're going to open the wallet for Brent Barry? :rolleyes

[fyatuk]

If he was waived then anyone could pick him up (i.e., Phoenix, Dallas, etc.). That would suck.

I wonder if he was waived or bought out...

The blurb about the trade on the Sonics website says waived. If he was waived, he has to clear waivers before he can sign with anyone. If he was bought out, he should be completely free to sign with anyone except the Spurs immediately.

I don't see them buying him out since it's an expiring contract, so I imagine the waived him and he'll be available to sign for everyone but the Spurs on Saturday, and for the Spurs 28 days later.

[anakha]

I hear he's going to the Suns

Source? Unless you're just talking out of your ass, as usual. :rolleyes

[Kindergarten Cop]

suns could easily throw a lot of money at Barry, just so he doesn't go back to SA

How will the Suns be allowed to throw a lot fo money at him? They are well over the salary cap and I believe they've already used their MLE. Again, I'm no cap expert - so if I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me.

[spursfan09]

So if he comes back to the Spurs, we can pretty much assume this was all planned out before anything happened?

[anakha]

I'm no cap expert

At least you know more about the cap than Scola Dynasty 21. :lol

[tomcat]

He must be on the Spurs roster by March 1 to be playoff eligible.

30 day wait makes him ineligible.

[DespЏrado]

I hear he's going to the Suns
The suns can't afford to pick up his contract, they don't have the cap space. In that case Barry has to choose to go there after he clears waivers, and the suns can't offer him more than the vet minimum (IE more than the Spurs.) since the are already over the cap.

[Spurs Brazil]

He must be on the Spurs roster by March 1 to be playoff eligible.

30 day wait makes him ineligible.
He must be waived before March 1st to be eligible

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

He must be waived before March 1st to be eligible



damn I hope you're right, it makes sense, otherwise why would the Sonics waive him so fast if he couldn't play on another team



but you know Steve Kerr is sweating bullets at the thought of Barry back in SA, he doesn't want this to happen

[Road Warrior]

He must be on the Spurs roster by March 1 to be playoff eligible.

30 day wait makes him ineligible.
In that case Stackhouse wasn't gonna be on the Mavs playoff roster? That doesn't make sense.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He must be on the Spurs roster by March 1 to be playoff eligible.

30 day wait makes him ineligible.

Thought April 15th was the playoff roster designation date...

[fyatuk]

How will the Suns be allowed to throw a lot fo money at him? They are well over the salary cap and I believe they've already used their MLE. Again, I'm no cap expert - so if I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me.

If the Suns wanted him bad enough, they could have used part of their trade exception to get him from the Sonics flat out.

Unless Skinner used the MLE, they should still have it I believe. Grant Hill used the bi-annual.

[ChumpDumper]

If the Suns wanted him bad enough, they could have used part of their trade exception to get him from the Sonics flat out.They can still use it during the waiver period.

[DespЏrado]

They can still use it during the waiver period.

Damn I didn't think a trade exception could be used with a player on waivers.

Still the Suns would be paying double the salary if they are over the luxury tax threshold.

[Phenomanul]

That explains the 1st rounder.

[fyatuk]

They can still use it during the waiver period.

Right, forgot that. They can use it to acquire any existing contract.

[Phenomanul]

And now it looks as if Kerr basically gifted Kurt Thomas to the Spurs....

:lmao

[MaNu4Tres]

Would Barry have a choice to go to the team that uses a trade exception on him while hes on waivers?

[mob]

in english


if spurs pick him up...does he play in playoffs?

[fyatuk]

And now it looks as if Kerr basically gifted Kurt Thomas to the Spurs....

:lmao

Think of it this way. If the Suns end up with Barry, we basically traded Barry for Thomas with the Sonics getting Elson, 3 1st rounders and a 2nd (according to some reports I saw anyway) for playing middleman...

[ChumpDumper]

Would Barry have a choice to go to the team that uses a trade exception on him while hes on waivers?If he wants to get paid, no.

[fyatuk]

in english


if spurs pick him up...does he play in playoffs?

Well, since there's no longer "playoff roster" designations, I would assume as long as he's on the roster by April 17th he could. I couldn't find anything that says he couldn't.

[Kindergarten Cop]

in english


if spurs pick him up...does he play in playoffs?

yes

[some_user86]

So, can the Suns or Mavs pick him up off the waivers?

[fyatuk]

So, can the Suns or Mavs pick him up off the waivers?

The Suns could with their traded player exception. The Mavs might be able to with their MLE (not sure).

[some_user86]

What does that mean for their salary cap and the luxury tax?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The problem for the Suns is they are already ridiculously over the cap already.

They may want Brent, but do you really think they want to pay 10+ million for him?

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Brent Barry could easily say fuck it and come back to SA, just so he doesn't have to go out in the first round or put up with Coach Adolf and his 'stache.

HAHAHHAHAHHA that was hilarious


I don't think the suns can afford him though.

[MagnusKrauss]

If Brent is on waivers, could he refuse if other teams want to pick him up?

What if he prefers to go to the Spurs? would that be possible?

[fyatuk]

If Brent is on waivers, could he refuse if other teams want to pick him up?

What if he prefers to go to the Spurs? would that be possible?

See above. If he's claimed off waivers he either goes or retires. If he clears waivers, anywhere is available.

That's been answered several times already.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If Brent is on waivers, could he refuse if other teams want to pick him up?

What if he prefers to go to the Spurs? would that be possible?

Not really.

Sorry, but I think we're in good shape here. the Lakers, Suns, and Mavs are all over the luxury tax right now.

That means Brent Barry becomes an almost 11 million dollar player for them due to the luxury tax (dollar for dollar). I have a hard team seeing any of those three teams ponying up for him given that.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

welcome back brent !

[Solid D]

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#54

54. What are waivers?

It's a temporary status for players who are released by their team. A player released between August 15th and the end of the regular season stays on waivers for 48 hours. A player released at any other time stays on waivers for seven days. During the waiver period other teams may claim a waived player. If more than one team tries to claim the player, the team with the worst record gets him. If a player on waivers is claimed, the new team acquires his existing contract and pays the remainder of his salary. There is also a fee of $1,000, payable to the league office, for claiming a waived player.
A team can claim a waived player only if one of the following is true:

The team is far enough under the salary cap to fit the player's entire salary.


The team has a Disabled Player exception for at least the player's salary (see question number 19).


The team has a Traded Player exception for at least the player's salary (see question number 69).


The player's contract is for one or two seasons and he is paid the minimum salary.
If no team claims a waived player, he is said to have "cleared waivers." The player may sign with a new team of his choice, and the player's prior team continues to pay the guaranteed portion of the terminated contract (see question number 90 for more information). The player's salary with his new team is a matter of negotiation. Few players are actually claimed while on waivers, since the team claiming a waived player inherits his entire contract. It is far more common for teams to wait for the player to clear waivers, and then sign him to a much smaller (even minimum salary) contract.

If a player is waived after March 1, he is ineligible to be included in the playoff roster of any team that signs him for the remainder of that season.

If a team trades a player and the player is waived by the receiving team, the player's original team cannot re-sign that player for 30 days (during the season) or 20 days (during the offseason) following the date of the trade.

[Tek_XX]

I'd say Brent has a fairly good chance to be back with the Spurs. Nice move by the Spurs, trade for Kurt Thomas, and since Barry is injured anyway, let him take the month off and resign.

[6thMANU]

ok so after 7 days if no one picks him up he becomes a free agent???

[T Park]

48 hours I think.

After that, he can sign with anyone.

But has to wait 30 days to sign with the Spurs.

[whottt]

Here's the deal...if the Sonics bought him out and he turns down other offers it will reak of collusion and reflect really badly on all parties involved...

If they put him on waivers other teams can't say jack shit because they were given a chance to claim him...if they really wanted him.




Works for me...

[remingtonbo2001]

ok so after 7 days if no one picks him up he becomes a free agent???

No, 48 hours.

[Solid D]

ok so after 7 days if no one picks him up he becomes a free agent???

No, 48 hours. He can sign as a FA after that with any team except the team that traded him origninally.

"If a team trades a player and the player is waived by the receiving team, the player's original team cannot re-sign that player for 30 days (during the season) or 20 days (during the offseason) following the date of the trade."

[MaNu4Tres]

if suns use their trade exeption to claim him off waivers can Barry say no thanx?

[6thMANU]

so by saturday night if no one picks him up he can just wate the next 20 whatever days and come back .... i think i understand this now . It looks like he will be back.

[td4mvp21]

But won't we have to sign him after March 1st? Meaning he's ineligible for the playoffs?

[Kindergarten Cop]

if suns use their trade exeption to claim him off waivers can Barry say no thanx?

No, he can't.

But, there is no way that Phoenix will pay $11M for Barry to make sure that he doesn't resign with the Spurs.

[MagnusKrauss]

Nice move!!! i finally understand now, including the timing of the waive.

Long live CIA Pop!

[gospursgojas]

Is it a 30 day wait to sign, or can he sign with the Spurs, but have to wait 30 days to play???

[ChumpDumper]

But won't we have to sign him after March 1st? Meaning he's ineligible for the playoffs?
If a player is waived after March 1, he is ineligible to be included in the playoff roster of any team that signs him for the remainder of that season.Barry was waived before March 1.

[Kindergarten Cop]

But won't we have to sign him after March 1st? Meaning he's ineligible for the playoffs?

This topic has been covered in other threads - as long as the player is actually waived March 1st, he can sign with any team before mid April and still play for that new team in the playoffs.

[nkdlunch]

Everyone is talking about Barry coming back to the Spurs. Even the Minesota comentators said it.

the good thing is that it is perfectly legal. Barry please come back!!!

[easjer]

It's still a risky proposition given that a team could pull him off waivers, and that he is no obligation to resign with the Spurs.

A risk I am willing (and clearly the Spurs were willing) to take to fill a gaping void.

[whottt]

But won't we have to sign him after March 1st? Meaning he's ineligible for the playoffs?



Hmmm...good point.


Anyone know the rules here?


Edit: NM...I see it's been answered.

[Jayem]

i have a feeling some team is gonna pick him up...brent is too good of a shooter to be passed on

[td4mvp21]

Barry was waived before March 1.

:tu I thought it said signed :wtf

Anyway hopefully no one will pick him up...

[Mr. Body]

I'd be stunned if Barry weren't back as a Spur this year. It's fairly clear he's coming back.

[ThomasGranger]

i have a feeling some team is gonna pick him up...brent is too good of a shooter to be passed on

Like who?

[whottt]

i have a feeling some team is gonna pick him up...brent is too good of a shooter to be passed on

Yeah...but it won't likely be any of the teams in title contention, because they'll have to pay a premium price for him.


And the thing is...he is coming off injuries.

[picnroll]

Barry is coming back. Speculating about what is going to happen is a waste of bandwidth.

[tav1]

Ugh, will he sign a new contract with San Antonio or will we have to pick up his money on top of KT?

[Kindergarten Cop]

i have a feeling some team is gonna pick him up...brent is too good of a shooter to be passed on

Only 3 teams have the cap flexibility to claim him - Charlotte, Memphis, and Phoenix (because of a trade exception). Phoenix will not do it though, because they are over the Luxury Tax threshold (meaning they would have to basically pay $11M for Barry's services).

[boutons_]

" Please come back Brent "

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/AGF/5262%7EBoy-Praying-Posters.jpghow can Brent refuse now? http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[easjer]

i have a feeling some team is gonna pick him up...brent is too good of a shooter to be passed on

May be.

But there are only a handful of teams that could allow him - Memphis, Charlotte, Atlanta, and Pheonix, with their trade exception. There isn't any really good reason for any of those teams to take an aging, injured player whose contract expires this year. Pheonix is probably best placed, but it would cost them a lot.

Regardless, if someone does take him, well, we still have Kurt Thomas, hugely improved rebounding and the same people playing who've been playing Brent's minutes since his injury.

[easjer]

Ugh, will he sign a new contract with San Antonio or will we have to pick up his money on top of KT?

If he clears waivers, Seattle pays the remainder of his guaranteed contract and he signs a new contract with SA, likely for the vet min.

[Kindergarten Cop]

May be.

But there are only a handful of teams that could allow him - Memphis, Charlotte, Atlanta, and Pheonix, with their trade exception. There isn't any really good reason for any of those teams to take an aging, injured player whose contract expires this year. Pheonix is probably best placed, but it would cost them a lot.

Regardless, if someone does take him, well, we still have Kurt Thomas, hugely improved rebounding and the same people playing who've been playing Brent's minutes since his injury.

Atlanta is actually too close to the cap to claim Barry.

[Solid D]

The problem is...even if he clears waivers and Brent wanted to wait for 30 days...are the Spurs going to pay? What profit splitting arrangement did they have with the Sonics (see Ludden's article yesterday)? If the Spurs can't get better perimeter scoring from the other players not named Ginobili, they will need someone like Brent for some of their dry spells.

[Solid D]

The problem is...even if he clears waivers and Brent wanted to wait for 30 days...are the Spurs going to pay? What profit splitting arrangement did they have with the Sonics (see Ludden's article yesterday)? If the Spurs can't get better perimeter scoring from the other players not named Ginobili, they will need someone like a healthy Brent for some of their dry spells.

[gameFACE]

If he comes back who goes on the inactive list. Vaughn? Stoudamire? I guess the next 30 days will decide it.

[FromWayDowntown]

The waiver thing would seem to make it unlikely that anyone other than the Suns could do anything about claiming Brent's deal. After all, claiming a player through the waiver process compels the claiming team to assume the remainder of the contract, and I would assume that a team would have to have capspace to make such a claim -- Brent's deal is an MLE-level deal at this point, so a team claiming him off waivers would have to have some pretty substantial amount of capspace. If the Suns can use the exception to claim a player, that makes them a possibility, to the extent that Sarver is willing to add Barry's deal to the tax bill.

Once Brent clears waivers, he's likely to sign with some contender for the vet minimum (since no contender has any real capspace and none have any exceptions available other than for vet minimum salaries, I would think). That should create a level playing field. If Brent decides (or has already decided) that San Antonio is where he wants to be, it seems unlikely to me that any other team would be able to truly outbid the Spurs. From a PR perspective, it would make sense from an objective standpoint that Brent would prefer to stay in San Antonio, too. The fact that he might choose to sign here wouldn't seem to suggest a collusive deal; it would seem to suggest that he chose the Spurs again over many options that were available.

[whottt]

I'd be stunned if Barry weren't back as a Spur this year. It's fairly clear he's coming back.


I don't think it's a certainty...other teams can get involved after the waiver period is over.

It's really going to depend on his own code of values and how much he really liked being a Spur and playing for Pop. He could have been getting more minutes under other coaches that aren't as defensive oriented as Pop...I doubt have a doubt about that.

I do think he'll be sorely tempted by the Suns and the Lakers...


And keep in mind...Barry is not exactly Mr. Loyalty...he's been traded a bunch and he didn't think twice about leaving Seattle the first time around...a town where he was considered a team leader and somewhat of a fan favorite....in fact he went up to Pop and asked Pop to get him out of there during a game once upon a time...


He's going to do what's in his best interest...it's not going to be about loyalty that much...anymore than the Spurs were loyal to him for taking less to play here.

[Mr. Body]

No one's picking up a $5 million guy who has barely played this year. Only Phoenix has any likelihood to, but they're already up the wazoo with money. Spurs will get him back for locker room stability and the outside chance he can come back and contribute.

[Kindergarten Cop]

The problem is...even if he clears waivers and Brent wanted to wait for 30 days...are the Spurs going to pay? What profit splitting arrangement did they have with the Sonics (see Ludden's article yesterday)? If the Spurs can't get better perimeter scoring from the other players not named Ginobili, they will need someone like a healthy Brent for some of their dry spells.

Someone posted yesterday that the Spurs could still resign Barry for a pro-rated minimum salary and still stay under the Luxury Tax threshold. Brilliant!

[whottt]

No one's picking up a $5 million guy who has barely played this year. Only Phoenix has any likelihood to, but they're already up the wazoo with money. Spurs will get him back for locker room stability and the outside chance he can come back and contribute.

You do realize he's going to be a FA after he clears waiver right?

[boutons_]

"who has barely played this year"

and who is still hurt.

[Solid D]

As I think about it, what arrangement could the Spurs have made with the Sonics (officially) if Brent was waived? I don't think they could (officially).

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The problem is...even if he clears waivers and Brent wanted to wait for 30 days...are the Spurs going to pay? What profit splitting arrangement did they have with the Sonics (see Ludden's article yesterday)? If the Spurs can't get better perimeter scoring from the other players not named Ginobili, they will need someone like Brent for some of their dry spells.

True.

[Solid D]

Someone posted yesterday that the Spurs could still resign Barry for a pro-rated minimum salary and still stay under the Luxury Tax threshold. Brilliant!

Yeah, I also discussed it earlier today. I used a $1M example, which would keep it under the luxury tax.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The problem is...even if he clears waivers and Brent wanted to wait for 30 days...are the Spurs going to pay? What profit splitting arrangement did they have with the Sonics (see Ludden's article yesterday)? If the Spurs can't get better perimeter scoring from the other players not named Ginobili, they will need someone like a healthy Brent for some of their dry spells.

True again.

[Kindergarten Cop]

No one's picking up a $5 million guy who has barely played this year. Only Phoenix has any likelihood to, but they're already up the wazoo with money. Spurs will get him back for locker room stability and the outside chance he can come back and contribute.

It would actually be an $11M guy for Phoenix if they were to pick him up. Does anyone really think he's worth that?

[Solid D]

True again.

:lol

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

After reading Bruno's analysis of our cap situation I have this sneaking suspicion we haven't seen the last of Brent Barry in the Silver and Black.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's still a risky proposition given that a team could pull him off waivers, and that he is no obligation to resign with the Spurs.

A risk I am willing (and clearly the Spurs were willing) to take to fill a gaping void.

What team is going to pay 11 million for Brent Barry?

[angel_luv]

Bring Brent Back!

[whottt]

What team is going to pay 11 million for Brent Barry?


hater

[T Park]

Hopefully Brent comes back.

[Hemotivo]

True again.

[mavsfan1000]

Sounds like a prearranged deal. Stern should look into this.

[T Park]

:lmao @ Mavs fan getting jealous.

[hater]

Sounds like a prearranged deal. Stern should look into this.
nothing to look into. Barry kept his mouth shut, unlike the caveman

[Allanon]

The team that claims a player off waivers only has to be able to FIT the player under their salary.

The actual price they will have to pay is a pro-rated salary of about $1.5 million. There are quite a few teams that could use a sharpshooter that will only cost them $1.5 mil or $3 million if luxury tax is incurred.

[6thMANU]

don't be mad because stack is a fucking retard......

[baseline bum]

It would actually be an $11M guy for Phoenix if they were to pick him up. Does anyone really think he's worth that?

Wouldn't it work out to about a $4 million hit for the Suns?

The Spurs paid 51/82 of his contract for the 51 games he was on the roster

Therefore, Seattle's share is 31/82 of $5.5 million = $2.079 million

If Phoenix picks him off of waivers with the trade exception, they pay that remaining 31/82 of the salary + a dollar for dollar luxury tax:

Therefore, Phoenix's total = 2 * $2.079 million = $4.16 million

[whottt]

Sounds like a prearranged deal. Stern should look into this.


A prearranged deal? With the other 30 NBA teams?

No one stopping you guys from picking him up off waivers...go for it...or STFU about it.

[samikeyp]

Enjoy the rest Brent. Keep quiet, heal up and see you in a month. :toast

[RashoFan]

Like who?
Don Harris just stated that GS and Phx could pick him up while he is in the 48 hour "waived" limbo.

[remingtonbo2001]

Com'n Brent

If not for the Spurs, do it for the HEB Crew (Tim, Manu, Bruce)

I believe!

[mardigan]

Rockets among teams looking to pursue Barry


By JONATHAN FEIGEN
Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle


With the ink barely dried on two trade-deadline deals, the Rockets on Thursday began moving towards two more deals they hope to complete.

The Rockets plan to begin a pursuit of guard Brent Barry, who was dealt to the Seattle SuperSonics on Wednesday but will be released, a person with knowledge of the Rockets’ intentions said on Thursday. The Suns and Spurs are also expected to chase Barry. The Spurs can offer the largest contract, having not spent their mid-level exception, but Barry would have to sit out 30 days before returning to the team that just traded him.



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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5560615.html

[MannyIsGod]

No team would have to pay 11 million for brent. They'd have to pay the prorated amount of his salary and a then penalty for that amount. A good portion of the season is gone so its probably more like 5 million for the rest of the season.

Thats still a steep price to claim him off waivers but its not 11 million.

[td4mvp3]

if he comes back, does that make the spurs even dirtier?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

As I think about it, what arrangement could the Spurs have made with the Sonics (officially) if Brent was waived? I don't think they could (officially).

We sent them 2 million dollars and a first round draft pick. We're all square.

[easjer]

No I don't think Pheonix wants to spend $11 mil, and I think they'd balk at $4 mil.

My point was that it's a ballsy move if it was pre-arranged, because of the risk involved. Nevertheless, well worth the risk.

I'd LOVE to have Brent back - he's one of my alltime favorite Spurs players. I hope he comes back - it would make the Thomas deal fantastic. Doesn't mean it's not inherently risky.

[Jayem]

has brent talked about the trade at all? what were his comments on it? any interview?

[whottt]

I don't see Barry going to Houston...he wants to actually win something this year.

He won't go to Dallas because he doesn't like Stackhouse.


LA, SA or Phoenix...

[Kindergarten Cop]

Wouldn't it work out to about a $4 million hit for the Suns?

The Spurs paid 51/82 of his contract for the 51 games he was on the roster

Therefore, Seattle's share is 31/82 of $5.5 million = $2.079 million

If Phoenix picks him off of waivers with the trade exception, they pay that remaining 31/82 of the salary + a dollar for dollar luxury tax:

Therefore, Phoenix's total = 2 * $2.079 million = $4.16 million


No team would have to pay 11 million for brent. They'd have to pay the prorated amount of his salary and a then penalty for that amount. A good portion of the season is gone so its probably more like 5 million for the rest of the season.

Thats still a steep price to claim him off waivers but its not 11 million.

You are probably right. I apologize for the error.

[K-State Spur]

has brent talked about the trade at all? what were his comments on it? any interview?

not that i am aware of. which does lead some credence to the rumors that he would like to return.

if he wants to come back, the best thing he could possibly do is not talk to anybody and just sit on his hands and heal up for the next month.

[whottt]

has brent talked about the trade at all? what were his comments on it? any interview?


I don't think so...and that does sound promising for his return to the team...either that or he's distraught over being traded and waived...Barry doesn't seem like the type that gets distraught real easy...he's been traded before.

Besides..it's not like he's being thrown on the scrapheap...pretty much every contending team is going to want to sign him.



The question we were asking in chat tonight...did he even go to Seattle?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

has brent talked about the trade at all? what were his comments on it? any interview?

No.....CIA at work.

[T Park]

i bet hes at home asleep.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Pop just pwned memphis, phil jackson,and the suns. we shall see about the lakers as a team. and it was all D. George's idea. pop , you should be on that commitee, pure genious

[easjer]

I don't see Barry going to Houston...he wants to actually win something this year.

He won't go to Dallas because he doesn't like Stackhouse.


LA, SA or Phoenix...


Of those, who can best afford him? The chron article says the Spurs can pay the most (but it doesn't mention LA pursuing him). But if he clears waivers and is looking at the vet min - does it matter who can best afford him?

Does Manny's prediction of a multi-year deal come into play?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Wouldn't it work out to about a $4 million hit for the Suns?

The Spurs paid 51/82 of his contract for the 51 games he was on the roster

Therefore, Seattle's share is 31/82 of $5.5 million = $2.079 million

If Phoenix picks him off of waivers with the trade exception, they pay that remaining 31/82 of the salary + a dollar for dollar luxury tax:

Therefore, Phoenix's total = 2 * $2.079 million = $4.16 million

They only would pay the prorated portion of his salary where he is on their team, but his entire salary is used for computing the team's status with respect to the salary cap.

So your math is right in that Phoenix would only pay him 2.079 million, but the true cost to them with the luxury tax would be 2.079 million + his full salary for the year (5.5 or so million), for a total of about 7.6 million.

I was wrong earlier on the 11 mil number, but it's still a lot for a couple of threes off the bench.

[whottt]

Enjoy the FA honeymoon Brent(again), the second you resign you'll be the biggest bum in town again...


Well ok...Kurt Thomas will probably beat you out there by seasons end.

[T Park]

IF brent comes back, and gets healthy, who the heck do they deactivate?!!??!

[Mr. Body]

You do realize he's going to be a FA after he clears waiver right?

You don't seriously think he's not coming back?

[T Park]

Enjoy the FA honeymoon Brent(again), the second you resign you'll be the biggest bum in town again...


Well ok...Kurt Thomas will probably beat you out there by seasons end.


Oh christ, grow an upper lip.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

ahhh so this is why the Nuggets stayed pat. Nene and Atkins will be in March and they are moving to get Barry :smokin :lol :drunk

Nene/Barry/LK/Atkins/JR off the bench........ nice :clap

I'm dreaming of course. Id love to have Barry in Denver

[Buddy Holly]

Can we use a trade exception to resign him?

[SuperManu!!!]

Waive bonner and bring barry back!!!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Can we use a trade exception to resign him?Nope.

[ChumpDumper]

Waive bonner and bring barry back!!!!!!No need.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Can we use a trade exception to resign him?

I don't believe so, since the exception can only be used during the Waiver period and we are not allowed to claim him off of Waivers.

[baseline bum]

They only would pay the prorated portion of his salary where he is on their team, but his entire salary is used for computing the team's status with respect to the salary cap.

So your math is right in that Phoenix would only pay him 2.079 million, but the true cost to them with the luxury tax would be 2.079 million + his full salary for the year (5.5 or so million), for a total of about 7.6 million.

I was wrong earlier on the 11 mil number, but it's still a lot for a couple of threes off the bench.

Nice. I knew a team needed a $5.5 million slot or trade exception to pick him off waivers, but I forgot luxury tax was calculated at the end of the season, relative to the team's official salary cap figure.

[whottt]

I was wrong earlier on the 11 mil number, but it's still a lot for a couple of threes off the bench.


Dude...if Barry goes to the Suns they'll win the NBA championship this season...that's just too many good bigs, and too many smart shooters and ball handlers to overcome. It's going to be more than just couple of threes off the bench...

You think about howfast Barry moves the ball, how easily he gets Duncan easy baskets, and how good he keys the fastbreak...now you imagine that added to Steve Nash, Amare Stoudamire, and Shaquille O'neal....and you can't double off him.


That team won't be stopped...I don't care what kind of D they play.

[easjer]

IF brent comes back, and gets healthy, who the heck do they deactivate?!!??!

Likely Mahinmi.

Other options (assuming no injuries) would be Bonner/Horry (Uh, Bonner) or Stoudemire/Vaughn (toss up).

[remingtonbo2001]

I'd think they'd deactivate Bonner. I wouldn't see this as a huge deal considering he continues to rack up the DNP CD's.

[T Park]

Whottt preparing us for his jumping onto the Sun's bandwagon.

[T Park]

Likely Mahinmi.

Other options (assuming no injuries) would be Bonner/Horry (Uh, Bonner) or Stoudemire/Vaughn (toss up).


Mahinmi isn't on the active roster.

Bonner would probobly be the one.

[whottt]

Whottt preparing us for his jumping onto the Sun's bandwagon.


Pop only want a quickie tonight?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Dude...if Barry goes to the Suns they'll win the NBA championship this season...that's just too many good bigs, and too many smart shooters and ball handlers to overcome. It's going to be more than just couple of threes off the bench...

You think about howfast Barry moves the ball, how easily he gets Duncan easy baskets, and how good he keys the fastbreak...now you imagine that added to Steve Nash, Amare Stoudamire, and Shaquille O'neal....and you can't double off him.


That team won't be stopped...I don't care what kind of D they play.


Quit being such a fucking drama queen. Hell, Jacque Vaughn could check Barry defensively. And you mean to tell me that the 'Stache is going to bench one of Bell or Barbosa (his only semi-competent perimeter defenders) in crunch time to trot Barry out there? Gimme a break.

In crunch time who are you proposing Barry guard? Parker, Manu, or Finley. The first two would clown him off the dribble, and Finley could take him into the post.

[T Park]

D'Antoni never was known for intelligence.

[ludda]

Houston is in the mix too.

[whottt]

You don't seriously think he's not coming back?


I think the Suns will want him if only because he's been a real bitch against him.....even if they don't play him, they'd like him to not be on our team...because that is the team he has killed consistently as a Spur.

On top of that, their GM, is similar to him and is the type of guy that will put a lot of value on a player like Barry.


They are definitely going to be interested in him...and you know, they play a style of ball that he excells at and enjoys playing.


I know what they'll try to do...I don't know what he'll do.


What the incentive to return here? To give assholes like TPark a reason to celebrate?

[easjer]

Houston is in the mix too.


Not really.

They can't pick him up off waivers, so they are only in the free agent mix, and nearly everyone agrees he'll go to a contender for a chance at a third ring.

That would not include Houston at this juncture.

It would include LA, Phoenix and us.

Of all of those - apparently, we can pay the most (MLE) and anyone over the cap who picked him up off waivers would have to pay between $7 and $8 million for Barry - and that price might be too high. Otherwise, anyone over cap will have to pay dollar for dollar for him.

Who knows what he'll do? There are some good signs that he might return, I hope he'll return, but who knows?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What the incentive to return here? To give assholes like TPark a reason to celebrate?

I guess his family being here is too fucking obvious? Or another ring?

Hell, for all we know we talked to Brent before doing this deal and got his blessing and assurances he'd come back after the waiver period and 30 days was over.

[remingtonbo2001]

What the incentive to return here? To give assholes like TPark a reason to celebrate?

Count me as one of those assholes as well.

Party at my house March 22nd.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Spurs loyalty pays off again, i love it

[baseline bum]

What the incentive to return here? To give assholes like TPark a reason to celebrate?

To defend his championship.

[easjer]

Spurs loyalty pays off again, i love it

I'd wait until he's here before I celebrated loyalty too too much.

[O.J. Mayonnaise]

Barry is a perfect fit in Phoenix. Not only does he spread the floor and hit threes, he can run the point while Nash is out of the game. How long have the Suns been looking for someone to do that? It doesn't matter who guards him because he'll get wide open shots in transition and when teams double Shaq and Amare.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Come on , if timmy will take one for the team surely brent would. we talkin bout brent barry

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Barry is a perfect fit in Phoenix. Not only does he spread the floor and hit threes, he can run the point while Nash is out of the game. How long have the Suns been looking for someone to do that? It doesn't matter who guards him because he'll get wide open shots in transition and when teams double Shaq and Amare.

Teams haven't had to double Shaq for two years and the Spurs have shown that they are more than willing to let Amare get his and shut down the other Phoenix shooters.

Go back to the basketball general board where maybe you can keep up.

[whottt]

Quit being such a fucking drama queen. Hell, Jacque Vaughn could check Barry defensively.

No he couldn't...Barry is tougher to guard than you think he is. And he knows what to do with the ball when he is guarded...being able to pass quickly and find the open guy is a fucking high offensive skill...Spurs fans are just too fucking stupid to realize that.





And you mean to tell me that the 'Stache is going to bench one of Bell or Barbosa (his only semi-competent perimeter defenders) in crunch time to trot Barry out there? Gimme a break.


And you mean to tell me you think D'antoni gives a shit about defense if he thinks he can win it with offense?

D'antoni would like nothing better than to stick it up the ass of the entire NBA that said offensive teams can't win titles...and he's right...offensive teams can win titles....it's just more expensive and difficult to pull off.

Have you listened to anything he's said?

He despises the concept of defense.



In crunch time who are you proposing Barry guard? Parker, Manu, or Finley.


Because Bruce Bowen is never on the court for the Spurs, now is he?





The first two would clown him off the dribble, and Finley could take him into the post.


Oh get off fucking Finley's jock...Barry is shooting better from 3 than that fucker is from 2....and he hasn't had a post game in 5 years. He's the guy running on fumes and on his last legs...or haven't you noticed that he's sucked for all but about 5 weeks of the last 2 seasons?

[DespЏrado]

Wow Whott is likely to implode on his own illogical man love for Barry.

Barry is the only reason we have won rings in SA. It is his presence that makes makes Manu, Tim, and Tony all stars and Final MVp contenders.

I like Barry, but I think Udoka gives us a hell of a lot more in terms of intangibles than Barry does. Still I would love to have Barry back as a veteran dead eye who knows the Spurs system if for nothing else than the stability that brings us in the playoffs.

[T Park]

...or haven't you noticed that he's sucked for all but about 5 weeks of the last 2 seasons?


Are you counting the playoffs where he averaged 12 a game and shot 48% in that?

Or are you just gonna fall back on the finals where he hurt his back?

Amazing how Barry can get the injury excuse but Finley cant.

Grow up.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

am i the only one that sees this clearly? all the reasons i've heard for him to go to phx are BS . he's clearly gonna be a spur again this season, if possible. which it is . welcome back brent, rest up that calf ya hear!

[easjer]

Come on , if timmy will take one for the team surely brent would. we talkin bout brent barry


Here is what I know:

1- Barry has to clear waivers. Pheonix could decide they don't want to risk him returning to the Spurs or possibly making their LA nightmare worse and utilize their trade exception to claim him from waivers. I don't think they will - it's a lot of money, but who knows?

2- Barry becomes a free agent on Saturday evening if he doesn't clear waivers. That means the ball is in his court. He can do whatever he wants, regardless of any tacit agreements or under the table deals that were made.

3- There are several teams who indicated interest in obtaining Barry, and at least 2 of those are contenders for a title.

4- He has to wait 30 days to sign with the Spurs. That is a long time for Pheonix or LA or anyone to work on him. It's also plenty of time to see how these new trades are working out, if he wants to rest for a couple of weeks. There is no reason to think he might not take a look around, listen to some deals and decide, Hell, if I play for the Suns, I have a better chance at a ring.

Who knows? I think he'll come back here, but there is no guarantee. I think he's a stand up guy, but I can't begrudge him an extra million or more in salary if another team is willing to pay it.

Further, I'm tired of the argument that Barry already left money on the table to come here. He did, and he got 2 rings for his troubles. Who is to say he doesn't look at that, look at the offers on the table and decide this is his last chance to pad the savings account before he retires? He's got rings and the luxury of going to a contender. Who the fuck knows what he'll do?

We can speculate all day, but no one can say what will happen until he clears waivers and signs with a team.

[BonnerDynasty]

If you go to the Suns, Barry.....

[O.J. Mayonnaise]

Last night the Lakers doubled Shaq the entire first half. In the second, he scored 8 straight points in the 4th quarter against single coverage.

[Spurminator]

He'll be back.

I love being a Spurs fan.

[whottt]

To defend his championship.


As opposed to playing a bigger part on helping a team win their first?



I don't know what he's going to do...I like him as a player, but I don't think he's Mr. Loyalty like you guys think he is...

[T Park]

Further, I'm tired of the argument that Barry already left money on the table to come here

Doesn't make it any less true.

[Trainwreck2100]

Because Bruce Bowen is never on the court for the Spurs, now is he?





?
That's who Nash guards

[T Park]

In the second, he scored 8 straight points in the 4th quarter against single coverage.

Single coverage from pau gasol, and when did he become such a stud defender?

[Que Gee]

The blurb about the trade on the Sonics website says waived. If he was waived, he has to clear waivers before he can sign with anyone. If he was bought out, he should be completely free to sign with anyone except the Spurs immediately.

I don't see them buying him out since it's an expiring contract, so I imagine the waived him and he'll be available to sign for everyone but the Spurs on Saturday, and for the Spurs 28 days later.


Actually the league doesn't count weekends, so it would be Tuesday.

[whottt]

Are you counting the playoffs where he averaged 12 a game and shot 48% in that?

Or are you just gonna fall back on the finals where he hurt his back?

Amazing how Barry can get the injury excuse but Finley cant.

Grow up.


Um...Barry flat out beat Finley out the past two seasons, despite Pop's mindset, and only lost his spot due to injury...both times.

[T Park]

Um...Barry flat out beat Finley out the past two seasons, despite Pop's mindset, and only lost his spot due to injury...both times.



Right right.

As long as you believe that.

What was barry's injury in the 06 playoffs that had him get lit up by Stackhouse like a Vegas Slot machine?

[O.J. Mayonnaise]

When he has the ball 5 feet from the basket against single coverage, he'll score on anyone or get whoever is guarding him in foul trouble.

[T Park]

When he has the ball 5 feet from the basket against single coverage, he'll score on anyone or get whoever is guarding him in foul trouble.

Against Pau Gasol, uh yeah.

[O.J. Mayonnaise]

Against anyone.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

D'antoni would like nothing better than to stick it up the ass of the entire NBA that said offensive teams can't win titles...and he's right...offensive teams can win titles....it's just more expensive and difficult to pull off.

Have you listened to anything he's said?

He despises the concept of defense.

Uh, yes, I know what he thinks about defense, thank you. Offensive teams can win titles? Like who? And don't give some team back in the 60s or some bullshit like that.

Name a team in the last 20 years of this league that has won with offense and a 'fuck defense' mantra.

Quit being such a little bitch about this, Barry isn't ready to play, he's going to take his 30 days, recover, and be back in SA. Sarver just traded away Shawn Marion to get away from his contract expectations, yet we're supposed to believe he's going to pony up 7 million dollars for Brent fucking Barry.

Again, we're all supposed to believe that D'Antoni is going to fall over himself to get Barry and play him ahead of Diaw, Barbosa, and Bell in the fourth? GMAFB.

[T Park]

Against anyone.

:lmao

Ok.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

can we please get a v-bookie on brent comin back? please kori, ill put all i got on the line. if its possible for him to come back, he will

[easjer]

Doesn't make it any less true.


Of course it's true.

But there is no corresponding correlation that indicates he is likely to repeat that decision.

In fact, if anything, I'd say it's a point against his return to the Spurs if he can get more money from another contender. He's passed up the $ already and has the rings for it.

That argument is a fallacy - akin to the way the Rhythm method of birth control works in theory - you can't predict the future by going solely on the past. There are too many variables.

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE Brent Barry. He is one of my favorite players, and SFIE will tell you that I actually teared up when he told me about the trade, because I was genuinely unhappy to see him leave the team.

I want him back.

I'm just not going to say it's clearly a done deal, when it very clearly isn't. I'll jump for joy if he clears waivers and resigns with the Spurs. It'll confirm every good thing I think of him. But he might not - and until he does, I don't want to be disappointed or upset or outraged.

[whottt]

Right right.

As long as you believe that.



[quote]
What was barry's injury in the 06 playoffs that had him get lit up by Stackhouse like a Vegas Slot machine?


It a rare condition called Pop's substitions. Barry isn't the first guy it's stricken...there was once a guy named Steve Kerr that suffered this condition...he overcame it in his final season as a player....I imagine he and Barry can swap stories about it...


I know, Pop knew his shit, always, infallibly...that's why he traded Kerr away.....

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Last night the Lakers doubled Shaq the entire first half. In the second, he scored 8 straight points in the 4th quarter against single coverage.

Wow, he scored against Gasol and Turiaf. Not exactly the cream of the crop when it comes to low post defense.

Duncan has been handling Shaq one on one for two years running now. Thomas plays him tough too. Shaq might have one good offensive game in a series against us. Good for him, but I'm not exactly losing any sleep over Shaq in the post.

And if fat ass is getting the rock, that means it's not in the hands of Amare or Nash. I suspect the Spurs would be more than willing to make that trade.

[O.J. Mayonnaise]

What's so funny? If Shaq gets the ball 5 feet from the basket against single coverage, he'll score almost every time no matter who is defending him. He may be old, but he's still the strongest guy in the league.

[T Park]

It a rare condition called Pop's substitions. Barry isn't the first guy it's stricken...there was once a guy named Steve Kerr that suffered this condition...he overcame it in his final season as a player....I imagine he and Barry can swap stories about it

So its Pop's fault that Stackhouse lit him up?

Got it....

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

If the Spurs end up being successful in getting Barry back they will have essentially added Kurt Thomas for Elson and a 1st round pick. Considering how highly the Spurs covet their first round picks that might end up being a pretty darn good deal when all is said and done.

[T Park]

I don't want to be disappointed or upset or outraged.


Seriously?
Outraged?

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Of course it's true.

But there is no corresponding correlation that indicates he is likely to repeat that decision.

In fact, if anything, I'd say it's a point against his return to the Spurs if he can get more money from another contender. He's passed up the $ already and has the rings for it.

That argument is a fallacy - akin to the way the Rhythm method of birth control works in theory - you can't predict the future by going solely on the past. There are too many variables.

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE Brent Barry. He is one of my favorite players, and SFIE will tell you that I actually teared up when he told me about the trade, because I was genuinely unhappy to see him leave the team.

I want him back.

I'm just not going to say it's clearly a done deal, when it very clearly isn't. I'll jump for joy if he clears waivers and resigns with the Spurs. It'll confirm every good thing I think of him. But he might not - and until he does, I don't want to be disappointed or upset or outraged.

if brent really wants to secure his future, he will remain a spur. look at how many ex-spurs are runnin shit in the nba. a couple mil here or there is not worth the opportunity to stay with the organazation.

[Matchman]

after two salary dumping trades, the rockets got enough cap room and a roster spot to make a run for Brent Barry!

[easjer]

Seriously?
Outraged?


What, you are going to pretend that Spurs fans on this forum are so level-headed and even-keeled that there wouldn't be outrage over Brent being disloyal and signing with a rival?

Please.

Would I personally hope to burn him at the stake for a financial decision? No. But the way people are building this up as a certain thing makes it much harder if it doesn't come to fruition.

That's my point. And frankly, I think you should understand that pretty clearly, given your history.

[whottt]

Uh, yes, I know what he thinks about defense, thank you. Offensive teams can win titles? Like who? And don't give some team back in the 60s or some bullshit like that.

Name a team in the last 20 years of this league that has won with offense and a 'fuck defense' mantra.


Hasn't been one...there also hasn't been one as good as the Suns in that period.





Quit being such a little bitch about this, Barry isn't ready to play, he's going to take his 30 days, recover, and be back in SA. Sarver just traded away Shawn Marion to get away from his contract expectations, yet we're supposed to believe he's going to pony up 7 million dollars for Brent fucking Barry.


No...we're supposed to believe that Kerr is going to make a run at him once he clears waivers....if only because he has smoked the Suns ass and they would much prefer him off our team.





Again, we're all supposed to believe that D'Antoni is going to fall over himself to get Barry and play him ahead of Diaw, Barbosa, and Bell in the fourth? GMAFB.


Who says it has to be the fourth? I personally think D'antoni would give him minutes over Barbosa, because Barbosa plays like a bonehead in those situationa frequently...


Mike D'antoni is the anti-pop...the way Pop will shit on offensive player to put a defensive scrub out there that can't do shit...

D'antoni will do the exact same thing with offensive personnel. He'll take a big shit all over those defensive guys.

[ChumpDumper]

after two salary dumping trades, the rockets got enough cap room and a roster spot to make a run for Brent Barry!No cap room.

[whottt]

If you guys think Jacque Vaughn is as good of a player as Barry...you've obviously been drinking way too much Pop coolaid. And no...he can't guard Barry. Get fucking serious Aggie. Barry is 6'7 and one of the best shooting PCT guards in the NBA. And he can get his own shot off...yeah he's not going to drop 30 on anyone...because that's not his game....but he'll hit painful shots.

He's hit bigshots for his entire Spurs career..and if you haven't noticed that it's just because you weren't watching.


I promise you...the Suns were watching....up close.

[O.J. Mayonnaise]

The question is, do you want Duncan single covering Shaq in the post the whole night, or do you want him trying to guard Amare facing up 15 feet from the basket? Either way it's a mismatch, so the Spurs will have to double one of them or Duncan will get in foul trouble. Barry is another guy that hits 40% plus from three.
Also, more than anything what killed the Suns the last couple series against San Antonio was Amare constantly getting in foul trouble. That's one thing Shaq can help with. The Spurs can try the same strategy as before and give up 40 a night to Amare, but Amare's better now than in the past and with Shaq there, there is less chance he'll end up in foul trouble.

[whottt]

So its Pop's fault that Stackhouse lit him up?

Got it....

It's Pop's fault that he didn't have a clue what his role or rotation spot was...

And Stackhouse has lit up everyone that we've put on him since the day he went to the Mavs.

[T Park]

It's Pop's fault that he didn't have a clue what his role or rotation spot was...

And Stackhouse has lit up everyone that we've put on him since the day he went to the Mavs.


Check the corner of your mouth, I see a little brent jr there.

[whottt]

Check the corner of your mouth, I see a little brent jr there.



What a vindictive person you are Tpark.

[T Park]

What a 5 year old acting child you are Whottt.

[whottt]

vindictive vindictive vindictive...I'd have never thought it.

[fyatuk]

Because Bruce Bowen is never on the court for the Spurs, now is he?

No offense, but that's a stupid statement. Nash guards Bowen, since he can't guard anyone else. So if Barry would guard Bowen, we'd still have a badass matchup with whoever Nash guards....

Just saying that's not a good argument. The Dantoni not caring about D was better.

[fyatuk]

4- He has to wait 30 days to sign with the Spurs. That is a long time for Pheonix or LA or anyone to work on him. It's also plenty of time to see how these new trades are working out, if he wants to rest for a couple of weeks. There is no reason to think he might not take a look around, listen to some deals and decide, Hell, if I play for the Suns, I have a better chance at a ring.

We can start talking to him immediately, we just can't sign him. At least, that's how the rule appears to be written to me.

[easjer]

We can start talking to him immediately, we just can't sign him. At least, that's how the rule appears to be written to me.


Yes, but until he's signed, he can entertain other offers and be wooed by other teams.

I'm not celebrating until this deal is inked.

ETA - a lot can happen over the course of a month. If someone has a major injury, that could change the landscape. If one team hits a chemistry issue or has a skid, that could change the landscape. If one team goes on a wild tear (for instance - Houston, who we've been dismissin in this thread, has won 10 games in a row. Let's say they have a monster March, and suddenly jump the division standings, shall we?), there is nothing stopping Brent from saying, 'well, I thought I wanted to play for the Spurs, but I really think that Houston has a real shot. And I can have more playing time . . . huh, maybe I should give Daryl another call and listen to their offer again.'

All I'm saying is it is far from being a done deal. There are lots of hurdles to cross. I think he comes back, when it's all said and done, but I'm not cracking open the champagne just yet.

Even if he does return - where is he going to play? Udoka and Finley are splitting his minutes and Pop generally tightens the rotation around the time he'd be returning. That could potentially be a strong consideration, if he really wants to play.

[whottt]

No offense, but that's a stupid statement. Nash guards Bowen, since he can't guard anyone else. So if Barry would guard Bowen, we'd still have a badass matchup with whoever Nash guards....

No offense...but Nash lead the NBA in offensive fouls drawn last season...figure it out.







Just saying that's not a good argument.

It's a perfectly fine argument....you guys are looking at it with your Spurs glasses on...not your Suns glasses. It's not that big of a deal to the Suns. Shaq is going to smack the shit out of whoever comes into the paint anyway...and that's going to be Tony Parker...no matter who they have on him.

I know...that won't hurt a bit.




The Dantoni not caring about D was better.


Thanks...Barry is not a completely helpless defender, he's got quick hands and good length...he gets beaten on the perimeter...so does Manu Ginobili.



What gets me is you guys act like the freakins Suns play defense even now...

They don't. They haven't...they give up over a hundred points a game. What they've done is add the people to trade baskets in a half court game. That's their defense.


Someone just tell me...when are the Suns locking all these players down? When is this happening? It does not happen with any sort of frequency...it's not why they win...it's why we win.

[fyatuk]

No offense...but Nash lead the NBA in offensive fouls drawn last season...figure it out.

Yeah, that's because Nash leaves his man to draw charges as a help defender. You are aware of that, right? He can't guard a cactus one-on-one. And if he's on anyone BUT Bowen, he can't leave them to try and draw charges.

And you took that way too hard man. I was just pointing out that you can't hide Barry's (overblown IMO) deficiencies by having him cover Bowen because it exposes an even more deficient Nash.

[whottt]

And you took that way too hard man. I was just pointing out that you can't hide Barry's (overblown IMO) deficiencies by having him cover Bowen because it exposes an even more deficient Nash.


I want you to tell me when the Suns are getting all these stops to win games due to their defensive personnel...that's all I want to know...when?

They win by blowing teams out and making the last shot...not by shutting people down. You are looking at it as if they win the same way we do...and they don't. And yeah...our way was better...but they have upgraded their basket trading ability substantially....with their recent aquisition of a certain C. Do you think D'antoni spends a great deal of time fretting about his defensive rotations? I think he worries about them only slightly more than Pop worries about Manu's behind the back passing game...

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

:lmao

Why the arguments? Brent will do what Brent will do. I have a feeling he loves this locker room and he'll come back. If he goes somewhere else for a pile of cash, who can blame him - we TRADED him.

Step back and take a chill pill, seriously.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

after two salary dumping trades, the rockets got enough cap room and a roster spot to make a run for Brent Barry!


You suck at math!

[fyatuk]

I want you to tell me when the Suns are getting all these stops to win games due to their defensive personnel...that's all I want to know...when?

They win by blowing teams out and making the last shot...not by shutting people down. You are looking at it as if they win the same way we do...and they don't. And yeah...our way was better...but they have upgraded their basket trading ability substantially....with their recent aquisition of a certain C. Do you think D'antoni spends a great deal of time fretting about his defensive rotations? I think he worries about them only slightly more than Pop worries about Manu's behind the back passing game...

When did I say they did? I even agreed with you that Dantoni not caring about defense was a good argument. I just pointed out that saying "Barry could guard Bowen" was a crap argument for the Suns. Don't be such a tool just to be argumentative.

[whottt]

When did I say they did? I even agreed with you that Dantoni not caring about defense was a good argument. I just pointed out that saying "Barry could guard Bowen" was a crap argument for the Suns. Don't be such a tool just to be argumentative.

Ok so you're saying they won't guard Bowen with Barry if he goes there?

I think you are about to learn what a truly crap argument is....


Because I can promise they will guard Bowen with Barry if he goes there.



Using your logic...they won't even try to sign Barry...because then who would Nash guard when Barry's on the floor? Barry being the worst player in NBA history and largely unfit to step foot on a basketball court, even though we won a title with him basically as our entire backup swing and guard roation, due to injury :dramaquee

Well tool...since they are interested in trying to sign him...I think that that logic would be proven faulty rather quickly.


For the fiftieth time...they aren't the Spurs, they aren't going to bench Barry just because Pop does or for the same reasons..and they aren't worried about who Nash will guard...it's not a big deal.

You know...Barry used to get a lot of minutes before coming to the Spurs...

You know that Beno guy? He wasn't most incompetent player in history...Pop just didn't play him...other teams will...believe it or not.

He gets minutes now...


Don't apply the logic you would to the Spurs to others teams...because it's a crappy argument. Because they aren't the Spurs...and Pop substitutions are Pop's substitutions...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The question is, do you want Duncan single covering Shaq in the post the whole night, or do you want him trying to guard Amare facing up 15 feet from the basket? Either way it's a mismatch, so the Spurs will have to double one of them or Duncan will get in foul trouble

It's a mismatch? :lmao What is so fucking hard to understand about this? Tim Duncan has been able to single cover Shaq for two years now, and not get in foul trouble doing it.

He doesn't have to cover him the whole night in the post, because Shaq's only going to be good for about 28-30 minutes a night. And it's not like the Spurs won't have some reserves around during that time, but the fact remains Tim can check him.

And you act like the Spurs are going to be on defense all night. Which one of those two checks Tim at the other end? Amare can't check Tim without getting into foul trouble, and Fat Ass has been Duncan's bitch at the offensive end for a while now, to the point that since Shaq has been in Miami Tim Duncan actually has posted higher numbers against Miami than his season averages.

So gimme a break about matchups, either way it's going to be a mismatch when TD is on offense no matter which one of those two is guarding him.

And that's without even touching on the fact that the Spurs have had success using Oberto in the past against Phoenix, and now we just added one of the best low post defenders in the league in Thomas who can spend some time on Shaq if need be.

Again, the Spurs have shown a willingness in the past to let Amare get his and shut down the Phoenix perimeter players (or have you forgotten Amare averaging almost 40 a game in the series a couple of years ago?).

Amare can't beat the Spurs in a playoff series, but if his perimeter players are getting open looks off doubles, Phoenix could. Which is why the Spurs let Amare get his and lock down everyone else.

There's only one ball to go around in Phoenix...

[nkdlunch]

Shaq is a nonfactor nowadays. why are ppl talking about him??

[fyatuk]

Ok so you're saying they won't guard Bowen with Barry if he goes there?

I think you are about to learn what a truly crap argument is....


Because I can promise they will guard Bowen with Barry if he goes there.


I doubt it. If he was in there, he'd be more likely to guard Manu than Bowen. Like I said, Nash only has value if he can leave his guy on defense, and he's very valuable in that role. Barry's deficiencies have been overstated, and while he can't stop Manu, he would certainly be able to funnel him into Amare/Shaq.

Nash will guard Bowen if Bowen is in there. Period. Anything else is pure idiocy to believe. Besides the fact that that is the only person Nash could cover and be able to help off of, it also saves Nash's energy for the offensive end. Apparently you think D'Antoni would rather wear Nash out by having him chase after TP or Manu or getting posted up by Finley, but I don't think D'Antoni is THAT stupid.

Now.... Try making an actual argument instead of flinging stupid comments. Wait, have you ever done that? I haven't seen it. Who care's, you're entertaining. Like the Suns, all style, no substance :p:

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Shaq is a nonfactor nowadays. why are ppl talking about him??

Because ignorant NBA fans remember him being good 10 years ago.

[O.J. Mayonnaise]

I know nobody on Phoenix can guard Tim. Thats why he gets 35 a night against them in the playoffs. If they don't double Amare, he'll do the same thing, except Amare is playing next to Shaq, while Duncan plays next to Oberto.

When the Spurs have played Miami in the past, have they really put Duncan on Shaq? Against Miami, Duncan spent more time on Haslem than on Shaq. Same thing when San Antonio plays Houston. Oberto spends more time Yao, while Duncan takes the power forward. I'm not saying Duncan can't do it, because I think he's the best defensive player in the NBA, but the matchups for Duncan against the Suns now are tougher than they have been in the past. Last year, at times during the game, they could rest Duncan on defense by putting him on Kurt Thomas who just shoots jumpers.

Now, I think the Suns will have to double team Duncan more this year without Thomas to guard him, leaving more shooters open, but I think the Spurs will have to double more on defense also. The Spurs might have to just outscore the Suns to win the series, more than in the past.

[whottt]

I doubt it. If he was in there, he'd be more likely to guard Manu than Bowen. Like I said, Nash only has value if he can leave his guy on defense, and he's very valuable in that role.

And what part of the Suns don't give a fuck about defense don't you get?

Geezus...you?

You are stuck on stupid.

THEY
DONT
CARE
ABOUT
DEFENSE

DO
YOU
FUCKING
GET
IT



Barry's deficiencies have been overstated, and while he can't stop Manu, he would certainly be able to funnel him into Amare/Shaq.


And so have Nash's deficiencies...



Nash will guard Bowen if Bowen is in there. Period. Anything else is pure idiocy to believe. Besides the fact that that is the only person Nash could cover and be able to help off of,

WHAT
PART
OF
THE
SUNS
DONT
CARE
ABOUT
DEFENSE
DONT
YOU
GET



it also saves Nash's energy for the offensive end. Apparently you think D'Antoni would rather wear Nash out by having him chase after TP or Manu or getting posted up by Finley, but I don't think D'Antoni is THAT stupid.

I think they'll put him on Parker...it's not like they have anyone that stops Parker anyway...and then they'll have Shaq smack the shit out of Parker every time he goes into the paint...it'll take about 2 times before Tony's lost quite a bit of enthusiasm for that whole paint Shaq idea...









Now.... Try making an actual argument instead of flinging stupid comments. Wait, have you ever done that? I haven't seen it. Who care's, you're entertaining. Like the Suns, all style, no substance :p:

Why don't you stop mentioning the Suns defensive concerns...idiot, and then go take a look at their defensive stats.

[whottt]

What's funny is you acting like Steve Nash would actually chase Parker if he was assigned to defend him...


That's a good one...

Someday, you'll watch Steve Nash actually play a game and realize how funny that statement really was.


Putting him on Tony is no worse than putting Gary Payton or Jason Kidd on him...the hot knife does not care what kind of butter it is...

[O.J. Mayonnaise]

Against the Suns, half the time nobody guards Parker. He's the guy they double off of and leave wide open. Last year I remember a story about him asking Diaw why the Suns left him wide open all the time saying he wasn't a great shooter, but he's still in the NBA.

[whottt]

What the hell is a Clipperfan doing on a basketball forum this late in the season?

[O.J. Mayonnaise]

Oh, just imagining what it would be like to have a competitive team. Also, I love watching Tim and Manu,

[whottt]

Oh, just imagining what it would be like to have a competitive team.

You just had to take all the fun out of it didn't you?

[nkdlunch]

Against the Suns, half the time nobody guards Parker. He's the guy they double off of and leave wide open. Last year I remember a story about him asking Diaw why the Suns left him wide open all the time saying he wasn't a great shooter, but he's still in the NBA.

Parker's shot was bad until a year ago. I would have left him open too. Bad for the Suns that Parker learned how to shoot. But then again D'antoni is not the best informed coach

[O.J. Mayonnaise]

The Spurs are the anti-Clippers (duh). They win, everyone gets along. The Clippers, on the other hand have a winning season every, like, 20 years. Right now, the Coach hates the owners favorite player (Maggette) and wants to get rid of him, their best player is injured, and who knows when their star point guard of the future will return.

[Solid D]

Wow....9 pages so far. Hmmm, whottt got into you people?

[jcrod]

He's coming back, you know it had to be prearranged this way. I'll be very supprised if he signs somewhere else.

[m33p0]

any reaction from Stern, Cuban or Phil? :devil

[Matchman]

No cap room.

i didnt make that shit up
houston chronicle reporting that the Rockets are going to pursue Barry:


Rockets continue looking, even after making two trades
Guards Barry, Jones on radar; Green comes home

By JONATHAN FEIGEN
Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle

With the ink barely dry on two trade deadline deals, the Rockets on Thursday began moving toward two more players they hope to add.

The Rockets plan to begin pursuit of guard Brent Barry, who was dealt to the Seattle SuperSonics on Wednesday but will be released, a person with knowledge of the Rockets' intentions said Thursday. The Phoenix Suns and San Antonio Spurs, who included Barry in the deal that landed them Kurt Thomas, also are expected to chase Barry. The Spurs can offer the largest contract, having not spent their mid-level exception. But Barry, who is expected to be sidelined two to three weeks with a calf injury, would have to sit out 30 days before returning to the team that just traded him.

"There are several guys that look like they might shake loose," Rockets general manager Daryl Morey said. "We have the ability to offer as much as most teams, unless they kept their mid-level. We used ours this year. I think we're a pretty attractive situation. That was a big part of it.

"These deals (completed Thursday) were not contingent on that. We think these are the right deals. But the deals in combination actually created enough room in case there is someone who can help us, we can do it."

The Rockets also plan to sign former Washington and Denver guard/forward Bobby Jones to a 10-day contract. Jones was waived by the Nuggets on Jan. 7. Signing him would provide a 6-7 defender for matchups in which the Rockets would be small off the bench after trading Bonzi Wells, along with Mike James, to New Orleans for guard Bobby Jackson.

[RonMexico]

Barry comes to Suns - blows kisses to the crowd at AT&T as he hits a 3 with seconds remaining in Game 7 to give the Suns a slim lead.

Oh wait... I'm just waking up from my 13 year nightmare of Mario Elie.

[ChumpDumper]

i didnt make that shit up
houston chronicle reporting that the Rockets are going to pursue Barry:Still no cap room. It's an important distinction.

[Princess Pimp]

Barry is not coming back to taco city...

The 30-day wait makes him inelegible for a playoff spot..

Sorry mofos!

[ChumpDumper]

Barry is not coming back to taco city...

The 30-day wait makes him inelegible for a playoff spot..

Sorry mofos!He might not come back, but that is a incorrect statement.

[Princess Pimp]

Incorrect. how is that?

Explain it mr know it all!

[ChumpDumper]

how is that?

Explain it mr know it all!Read this sentence very closely:

If a player is waived after March 1, he is ineligible to be included in the playoff roster of any team that signs him for the remainder of that season.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#54

It was written by a Laker fan.

[Princess Pimp]

He might not come back, but that is a incorrect statement.

He's going to the Suns...


March 1st is the day playoff rosters are set.

He is elegible to come back to the team that traded him after 30 days.

That would be March 21st.

Sorry mofo

[ChumpDumper]

Read this sentence very closely:

If a player is waived after March 1, he is ineligible to be included in the playoff roster of any team that signs him for the remainder of that season.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#54

[Princess Pimp]

Read this sentence very closely:

If a player is waived after March 1, he is ineligible to be included in the playoff roster of any team that signs him for the remainder of that season.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#54

It was written by a Laker fan.

So a Laker fan is more knowledgable than a Spurs fan?

[ChumpDumper]

So a Laker fan is more knowledgable than a Spurs fan?More knowledgeable than a certain sunfan.

Do you actually understand the sentence?

[Princess Pimp]

More knowledgeable than a certain sunfan.

Do you actually understand the sentence?


Anyway ...

Is this in the official NBA rules?

A fan website is not a reliable source.

I thought you knew that!

[whottt]

Anyway ...

Is this in the official NBA rules?

A fan website is not a reliable source.

I thought you knew that!



Are you really that stupid? Or just new to the internet...and basketball?

[ChumpDumper]

Anyway ...

Is this in the official NBA rules?

A fan website is not a reliable source.

I thought you knew that!Actually the site I linked is also linked on the NBA Players' Union site.

http://www.nbpa.com/cba_faq.php

If you would like to look up the actual article, by all means feel free:

http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles.php


Now tell me if you understand what this sentence says:

If a player is waived after March 1, he is ineligible to be included in the playoff roster of any team that signs him for the remainder of that season.

[z0sa]

Actually the site I linked is also linked on the NBA Players' Union site.

http://www.nbpa.com/cba_faq.php

If you would like to look up the actual article, by all means feel free:

http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles.php


Now tell me if you understand what this sentence says:

If a player is waived after March 1, he is ineligible to be included in the playoff roster of any team that signs him for the remainder of that season.




why feed the troll? its obvious you're talking to either a dipshit, a brand new phoenix fan or the common mixture of both.

:sleep

[Princess Pimp]

Anyway just keep hoping he's coming back...

A sharp shooter is always coveted in the NBA and he's is probably mad he was traded.

[ChumpDumper]

Stay in school.

[z0sa]

Anyway just keep hoping he's coming back...

A sharp shooter is always coveted in the NBA and he's is probably mad he was traded.


Stay in school.

[Princess Pimp]

sorry for the typo you get the idea...

[z0sa]

sorry for the typo you get the idea...

I really don't.

Nice try, though. I guess. :elephant

:fro :elephant :spin

[Bruno]

Barry coming back with Spurs is the most logical solution for him.
There are only two factors that could make him decide to go elsewhere : another team giving him a lot of money and/or Barry having bad feelings toward Spurs.

The 30 days wait isn't a big deal in Barry's case because of his injury.

I'm quite sure Spurs would welcome him back in 30 days. It's up to him to make his choice. Even if he goes to Mavs, Suns or Lakers, I wouldn't have any hard feelings towards him.

[Quasar]

I'm quite sure Spurs would welcome him back in 30 days. It's up to him to make his choice. Even if he goes to Mavs, Suns or Lakers, I wouldn't have any hard feelings towards him.

It depends why he goes... I'd be a bit pissed if he goes there when the Spurs offered a similar deal although it is still understandable that being on the Spurs was never pleasant for him due to the FO's frequent efforts in trading him. You could say that the FO was never loyal to him...

I'd love to have him back though. Hopefully, his friendship with the players is strong enough to offset whatever bad feelings the operations side may have instilled!

[anakha]

:lmao at Louis getting owned. Again.

[whottt]

Even if he goes to Mavs, Suns or Lakers, I wouldn't have any hard feelings towards him.

I would. If he goes to one of our top rivals...he should expect to get some heat for it. That's asking for it...no free pass for that. There are 30 teams in the NBA, about 4 or 5 of which a player who has played for the Spurs should avoid....

Easily seen...
Dallas
Utah
Houston
LA
Phoenix(as of last season and the bad blood)

With the exception of Phoenix...these are old and traditional rivalries...same as it ever was. And no player that played for the Spurs should be surprised if he gets a bad reaction if he goes to one of those teams....it'll be personal, and the player is the one chosing to make it personal. Call the Celtics if he doesn't want it to be personal...they could use the depth anyway.


It's one thing if the team sucks(still bad though)...but it's entirely another when a championship is on the line.


Championships are hard to win...and any player choosing to stand against his old mates alongside their bitterest rivals, and take keep them from getting a precious championship...well he's a shithead.

You go to the enemy you are a traitor....and traitors get it the worst....because it's personal...and a betrayal.


Sure Brent has a right to play where he wants...and we have a right to hate on him for choosing certain destinations over others.

[Quasar]

You go to the enemy you are a traitor....and traitors get it the worst....because it's personal...and a betrayal.

That's assuming that the Spurs do make him an offer...

And they'd be dumb not to do it... However, it would really suck if they got him back just to sit him on the bench, as Pop is well known to do...