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timvp
02-22-2008, 10:04 AM
Riding the back of yet another Manu Ginobili offensive explosion, the Spurs won their fourth game in a row – this one against the Timberwolves in Minnesota. While the T’Wolves entered the game with the second worst record in the NBA, they gave a good fight and almost came away with the win.

Thankfully for the Spurs, Ginobili hit a step-back jumper from the free throw line with six seconds to go and Sebastian Telfair missed an open three-pointer at the buzzer. The 100-99 win was far from dominant but considering the circumstances, it was a decent enough win nonetheless.

Perhaps the best news for the Spurs was the return of Tony Parker. After missing over three weeks with an ankle injury, Parker came off the bench for the Spurs. The Spurs still weren’t whole as the newly acquired Kurt Thomas wasn’t with the team yet.

As far as the T’Wolves are concerned, Al Jefferson continues to look like a superstar in the making. In the low block, he might already be the toughest bigman to guard in the entire NBA next to Tim Duncan. He has a ton of moves and great touch around the basket.

Overall, the win was ugly and there really wasn’t much to take away from the victory. The defense was extremely poor and the offense didn’t have much flow. If it weren’t for Ginobili, this would have been an ugly loss. I’ll take the ugly win instead.

-Tim Duncan defensively was lit up repeatedly by Jefferson. In one-on-one situations, Duncan was simply abused. His team defense was actually pretty good, it was just his one-on-one post defense that suffered. Perhaps Duncan was just showing Kurt Thomas why the Spurs traded for him. Offensively, Duncan was good. He hit half of his 16 shot attempts on his way to 24 points, 14 rebounds, seven assists, four blocks and three steals. Duncan was also 8-for-8 from the free throw line. Overall, outside of his post defense against Jefferson, Duncan had a quality outing.

-Manu Ginobili was awesome yet again. In the second quarter, he might have been more on fire than I’ve ever seen him. After checking into the game with ten minutes to go in the quarter, Ginobili went 8-for-8 from the field and scored 22 points. His final six baskets were three pointers. The rest of the game wasn’t too shabby as Ginobili finished with 44 points, four assists and three rebounds, while shooting 13-18 from the field, 7-for-9 from beyond the three-point line and 11-for-12 from the free throw line. Add in the game winning jumper with six seconds to go and the Spurs couldn’t ask for anything more out of Ginobili. It was just another legendary performance.

-Tony Parker was back in action and the best news of the night is he looked healthy. He showed bursts of speed and could attack the basket. We’ll see if he’s able to make a full recovery, however the first game back appeared to be a success. In his 18 minutes of playing time, he was obviously rusty and didn’t perform overly well. He finished with eight points, two rebounds and an assist, while hitting 3-of-7 shots from the field. Going forward, the Spurs need him to return to health if they want to remain championship hopefuls.

-Bruce Bowen continued his post All-Star break shooting slump. His 0-for-5 showing makes him now 2-for-14 after the All-Star break. Defensively he was mostly on Randy Foye and Foye was held in check for most of the game. But really, Bowen didn’t have too much of a positive impact on either end of the court. It’s not time to sound the alarm on the 36-year-old Bowen, but a quality showing in the next few games would help ease any fears that age has caught up to him.

-Fabricio Oberto didn’t exactly make a strong case for himself to remain a starter with Thomas waiting in the wings. In 18 mostly uninspired minutes, Oberto had three points, two rebounds and one assist. The few times he was matched up against Jefferson he was torched. Oberto will likely remain the starter as long as he’s playing well but a performance like this won’t be as easy for Pop to live with now that he has another quality option to turn to in Thomas.

-Damon Stoudamire got the start and posted his second consecutive good outing. He seems to be really comfortable with what the Spurs are trying to do. Stoudamire also seems to be in much better shape. In 23 minutes, he had four points, four rebounds and four assists and hit two of his four shots from the floor. Once Parker gets his starting job back, it appears that Pop will allow Stoudamire a chance to earn the backup minutes.

-Michael Finley continues to play some of the best basketball of his Spurs career. In 31 minutes, Finley had 13 points, two rebounds, one assist and one block, while hitting 6-of-11 shots from the field. He’s playing well enough off the bench that Pop likely won’t have to put Ginobili back on the bench when Parker is inserted into the starting lineup. Perhaps that will change at some point but Finley is producing instant offense off the bench right now. Outside of Duncan and Ginobili, Finley was the only other Spur in double figures on Thursday night.

-With Brent Barry traded, Ime Udoka is going to have to pick up the slack. Against Minnesota, Udoka was only 1-for-5 from the floor and finished with two points, three rebounds and two steals. The final step for Udoka to become a solid rotation player is consistency. To date, Udoka has been highly inconsistent, especially with his jumper. Hopefully that is something that improves as the postseason approaches.

-Robert Horry is another player who could see a loss of minutes with Thomas coming to town. Against the T’Wolves, Horry didn’t score but had six rebounds and an assist in 16 minutes of action. It will be interesting to see how much playing time Horry will get once Thomas is acclimated. There’s a chance that Horry will be on the outside of the rotation looking in.

-Jacque Vaughn was the third point guard this game. He came in after Stoudamire and after Parker. Truth be told, Vaughn has always been better suited to be a third point guard rather than a starting point guard. He’s the perfect player to have at the end of the bench who can be called upon when needed. That said, there’s no guarantee that Stoudamire will play well enough to remain the backup guard so Vaughn might find himself back in the rotation before too long.

-Matt Bonner played his first meaningful minutes in a while and finished with two points, one rebound and one blocked shot in six minutes. Bonner hasn’t hit a three-pointer in over a month and is 0-for-9 in that stretch. With the addition of Thomas, Bonner likely won’t see the light of day for a while.

-I don’t think Pop did anything that warrants him getting credit for the win. Ginobili played like a superstar and he got a quality showing by Duncan. That’s about all that happened that allowed the Spurs to win.

In fact, Pop didn’t help matters by going with an 11-man rotation in the first half. Usually this is the time of year that Pop starts setting his rotation. In this game, the rotations were as jumbled as ever.

Perhaps Pop thought that his rotation didn’t matter because Thomas wasn’t with the team. With Thomas, Pop will probably need to carve out a 20 minute niche for him. Will those minutes come from Oberto? Will those minutes come from Horry? Will the Spurs just play less small ball? It will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

The bottomline against the Timberwolves is the Spurs avoided what would have been a tough loss. With the New Orleans Hornets coming back to the AT&T Center on Saturday, the Spurs will be looking for revenge. In the last game between the two teams, the Hornets destroyed the Spurs 102-78. We’ll get a good feel for what the Spurs are made out of after that game.

Martin R
02-22-2008, 10:24 AM
I think Tim Duncan had a great game last night.

Points : 24
Reb : 14
Assists : 7
BS : 4

that's a freaking awesome statline.

hater
02-22-2008, 10:26 AM
he did get abused by Al

Spurs are still very far from playoff form

remingtonbo2001
02-22-2008, 10:30 AM
Where was Al taken in the draft?

Southwest Texas Fan
02-22-2008, 10:35 AM
I was watching Tony the entire time he was on the floor and he seemed very comfortable. Of course he only played 18 minutes but I still liked what I saw. When he was walking around the court it seemed he did not have any pain. This is a good sign.

MoSpur
02-22-2008, 10:42 AM
I was surprised the Spurs were coming with double teams to help Tim. I hadn't seen that in a while.

timvp
02-22-2008, 11:48 AM
I think Tim Duncan had a great game last night.Stats don't show Jefferson scoring on Duncan repeatedly.

Holt's Cat
02-22-2008, 11:51 AM
Impressed with Jefferson. Another benefit of the Thomas trade and perhaps one not repeated enough is that you don't have to count on TD as the top post defender.

rAm
02-22-2008, 11:54 AM
manu is rediculous right now, enough said. He is keeping us in this playoff run.

urunobili
02-22-2008, 12:06 PM
Tony seemed to have gained some weight

Martin R
02-22-2008, 12:09 PM
Stats don't show Jefferson scoring on Duncan repeatedly.

I watched the game so I know what you mean.

BUT

My point is that Duncan scored 24 ON someone (16 if you take out the FTs)
Got 14 boards ON someone.
Got 7 assists while being guarded BY someone.
Got 4 blocks ON someone.
Got 3 steals FROM someone.

I think that's pretty more impressive than getting in the same playing time .......let's say :

28p (22 if you take out the FT)
5 reb
2 ass
1 stl
3 bs


...

WalterBenitez
02-22-2008, 12:12 PM
I think Tim Duncan had a great game last night.

Points : 24
Reb : 14
Assists : 7
BS : 4

that's a freaking awesome statline.

He did very well, another usual game doing great things here and there!

TIMVP

1. Thanks for the recap, good as usual.
2. Agree that was great to see TP back.
3. You will need to explore new synomims to describe Manu :p:

SA Gunslinger
02-22-2008, 12:15 PM
Stats don't show Jefferson scoring on Duncan repeatedly.

And not to mention the driving dunk he gave up to Theo Ratliff who hadn't played in months.

SAGambler
02-22-2008, 12:15 PM
I think Tim Duncan had a great game last night.

Points : 24
Reb : 14
Assists : 7
BS : 4

that's a freaking awesome statline.

Duncan had a great line, but the line doesn't show how many chip shots he missed, and the turnovers he had. It's getting so in any close game, I just hate to see the ball go into Duncan in the final 2 or 3 minutes. It's almost surely going to end badly with the ball going the other way.

Warlord23
02-22-2008, 12:24 PM
In the last few games Manu has displayed some of the most amazing basketball seen in the NBA this year. All I can say is wow! If he plays like this in the postseason and Tim and Tony play at their usual levels we'll be tough to beat.

I don't think Damon Stoudamire can be the 2nd PG in the playoffs. His defense is a big weak link. Hopefully he can be used in a Steve Kerr role to knock down some open shots when our offense stalls. If Brent comes back and is healthy I think Damon will find it hard to crack the rotation.

Fin is doing his thing but Bowen/Udoka have been off their rhythm far too often this year. This is going to be a big question mark. We need our defensive specialists to make open shots, else the offense is not going to put up enough points on the Lakers or Suns to crank out 4 wins out of 7.

E20
02-22-2008, 12:29 PM
Manu is averaging 35.5 points in the past 4 games.

FromWayDowntown
02-22-2008, 01:12 PM
Manu is averaging 35.5 points in the past 4 games.

With all of that, Kobe Bryant will still be the Player of the Week for this week.

BonnerDynasty
02-22-2008, 01:13 PM
Last 5 Games for Manu:

57.4% of the 3 pt line.



We need our defensive specialists to make open shots, else the offense is not going to put up enough points on the Lakers or Suns to crank out 4 wins out of 7.

Yep. I'm worried about our offense.

SpurYank
02-22-2008, 01:22 PM
Hmm, did anyone else notice the lack of enthusiasm on the Spurs bench (except for Oberto who pumped his fist) when Manu hit that game-winning shot?

So I started thinking that the other Spur players should be proud as hell playing alongside a player like Manu, especially after what he's done in the last 4 games. No way we win those games w/o his scoring, and as close as things are in the West, we could easily sink to 9th place. Am I seeing things that aren't there?

WalterBenitez
02-22-2008, 01:52 PM
Manu is averaging 35.5 points in the past 4 games.

Manu is avergaing 44 in last game :D

CaptainLate
02-22-2008, 02:21 PM
-Fabricio Oberto didn’t exactly make a strong case for himself to remain a starter with Thomas waiting in the wings....Oberto will likely remain the starter as long as he’s playing well but a performance like this won’t be as easy for Pop to live with now that he has another quality option to turn to in Thomas.

-Damon Stoudamire got the start and posted his second consecutive good outing. He seems to be really comfortable with what the Spurs are trying to do....Once Parker gets his starting job back, it appears that Pop will allow Stoudamire a chance to earn the backup minutes.

-Michael Finley continues to play some of the best basketball of his Spurs career....He’s playing well enough off the bench that Pop likely won’t have to put Ginobili back on the bench when Parker is inserted into the starting lineup.

-Jacque Vaughn was the third point guard this game. He came in after Stoudamire and after Parker. Truth be told, Vaughn has always been better suited to be a third point guard rather than a starting point guard....there’s no guarantee that Stoudamire will play well enough to remain the backup guard so Vaughn might find himself back in the rotation before too long.

I see Finley starting soon, and KT starting by playoff time, with the Argentinian line (Oberto and Manu) first off the bench.

As for the backup PG situation, it will probably depend on the opponent that night.

~Sweetmelody~
02-22-2008, 02:49 PM
Hmm, did anyone else notice the lack of enthusiasm on the Spurs bench (except for Oberto who pumped his fist) when Manu hit that game-winning shot?

Am I seeing things that aren't there?


I thought I was the only one that noticed that. BUT I was thinking it had to do something with the trade.

ChumpDumper
02-22-2008, 02:53 PM
How much should one celebrate when squeaking by the worst team in basketball?

~Sweetmelody~
02-22-2008, 02:58 PM
How much should one celebrate when squeaking by the worst team in basketball?


:lol true

But usually you see the guys "happy" after a nice clutch play or excited when someone is having a nice overall game....but they all seemed sort of "down" that is why I thought it had to do with Barry & Elson being traded.

ChumpDumper
02-22-2008, 02:59 PM
I wouldn't doubt that, but they kinda sucked last night too.

baseline bum
02-22-2008, 03:10 PM
We should trade Duncan for Garnett so we can get an enthusiastic response to eeking out a win over the TWolves.

wildchild
02-22-2008, 04:22 PM
Hmm, did anyone else notice the lack of enthusiasm on the Spurs bench (except for Oberto who pumped his fist) when Manu hit that game-winning shot?

So I started thinking that the other Spur players should be proud as hell playing alongside a player like Manu, especially after what he's done in the last 4 games. No way we win those games w/o his scoring, and as close as things are in the West, we could easily sink to 9th place. Am I seeing things that aren't there?


:lol true

But usually you see the guys "happy" after a nice clutch play or excited when someone is having a nice overall game....but they all seemed sort of "down" that is why I thought it had to do with Barry & Elson being traded.

You weren't the only one. I think the same.

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
02-22-2008, 04:46 PM
Hmm, did anyone else notice the lack of enthusiasm on the Spurs bench (except for Oberto who pumped his fist) when Manu hit that game-winning shot?

So I started thinking that the other Spur players should be proud as hell playing alongside a player like Manu, especially after what he's done in the last 4 games. No way we win those games w/o his scoring, and as close as things are in the West, we could easily sink to 9th place. Am I seeing things that aren't there?
I think it had to do with 6 seconds left on the clock.

Of course our guys are proud, but they only raised their fist after they got the defensive stop and the win. I think they must be really disciplined as a team, not to get their hopes up. (Ex: Al Jefferson probably thought they won with his And-1, celebrating a little prematurely only to get his heart torn out by Manu. :lol)

Slippy
02-22-2008, 05:36 PM
Thanks for the in-depth analysis timvp.. as alwways i look forward to reading them. IF i havn't seen the game it's great for a thorough recap. If i have, alwways good to see if we on the same page and anything i may have missed.

dbreiden83080
02-22-2008, 06:09 PM
How long can Manu stay in the Super Manu mode???

WalterBenitez
02-22-2008, 07:22 PM
How long can Manu stay in the Super Manu mode???

While Kryptonite were far away from him :dramaquee

boutons_
02-22-2008, 07:33 PM
Manu has manned up, has stepped up, walked the walk while not bothering to talk the talk we hear from so many fakers, to fill the hole left by Tony. The Big Three has been Tim, Manu, and Manu.

If Tony's ankle isn't tender today, and he can get back to where he was pre-injury, the Manu can back off a bit, guarding his energy for the playoffs.

We're all fncking spoiled. The Golden Age of Spurs basketball.

Obstructed_View
02-22-2008, 09:50 PM
I was surprised the Spurs were coming with double teams to help Tim. I hadn't seen that in a while.
They did it in the Cleveland game when Z was abusing Duncan.

td4mvp21
02-22-2008, 09:52 PM
Is anyone else concerned with Duncan's 1-on-1 D or has it always been this way and I haven't noticed??

timvp
02-22-2008, 10:02 PM
Is anyone else concerned with Duncan's 1-on-1 D or has it always been this way and I haven't noticed??Duncan's usually a very good post defender. It was just a bad game against an up-and-coming star who has a ton of moves. Usually, the only time Tim struggles with post defense is when he's trying to avoid picking up fouls.

That said, it'll be interesting to see how much of Duncan's post defense responsibilities Kurt Thomas will shoulder. In a game like last night, I could imagine Thomas getting a whole lot of playing time.

Obstructed_View
02-22-2008, 10:04 PM
Is anyone else concerned with Duncan's 1-on-1 D or has it always been this way and I haven't noticed??
I'm not really. Duncan has problems with smallball because he has no help coming from Finley, who usually does less damage just staying with his man. In addition, Thomas should be a step up, and I also think Duncan will ramp up the effort as the playoffs near.

To be completely fair, Duncan had a pretty tough assignment; Jefferson's dropped his dick on some pretty good defenders this year.

boutons_
02-22-2008, 10:11 PM
How happy are we that AJ was traded away by the Celts.

Imagine the Celts Big Three now, plus AJ. ouch

tp2021
02-22-2008, 10:13 PM
sometimes it seems like the spurs just dont care until they realize, "hey, we're about to lose to these chumps!"

tp2021
02-23-2008, 11:30 AM
this game just serves as a refreshing reminder as to why manu is my favorite player.

ShoogarBear
02-23-2008, 01:22 PM
Truth be told, Vaughn has always been better suited to be a third point guard rather than a starting point guard. Genius, just sheer genius.

:worthy:

timvp
02-23-2008, 01:50 PM
Genius, just sheer genius.

:worthy::lol I meant backup, obviously.

Although if I hurt the feelings of Jacque Vaughn's biggest fan (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63106), I apologize.

:smokin

ShoogarBear
02-23-2008, 02:27 PM
Jacque Vaughn is the Spurs' only hope against the Hornets.