Hollinger: Ginobili's PER

[batboy]

It's over 9000!!!!!!!!!

[hsxvvd]

Fuck PER.

[vangao]

here it is. 4th in the league, 1th on SG and 1th international.

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[sabar]

here it is. 4th in the league, 1th on SG and 1th international.

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[lefty]

Hollinper.... :rolleyes

[Man In Black]

Didn't he say that Ginobili has peaked and is now in a downward spiral?

[batboy]

I had no f'n idea what manu's PER was. Just needed an excuse for a nine THOUSAND thread in light of this month's outburts.

[endrity]

Hollinger consistently praises Ginobili, and now we see why.

[vangao]

Didn't he say that Ginobili has peaked and is now in a downward spiral?

Manu always was on the top of his PER stats, I think he really loves Manu's way to play. Here is the hollinger 2007-2008 preview.

Rank: 21 - MANU GINOBILI

Hollinger Player Profile | Stats Key
SEASON FG% FT% P/40 R/40 A/40 TS% Ast TO Usg Reb PER
2002-03 .438 .737 14.7 4.5 3.9 55.6 19.4 14.1 17.5 6.5 14.75
2003-04 .418 .802 17.5 6.1 5.2 53.6 21.2 11.7 21.1 8.5 18.54
2004-05 .471 .803 21.6 6.0 5.3 60.9 20.1 12.0 23.2 8.8 22.35
2005-06 .462 .778 21.6 5.1 5.2 59.3 19.9 10.2 23.2 7.5 22.43
2006-07 .464 .860 24.0 6.3 5.1 60.9 18.3 10.9 25.1 9.6 24.18
2007-08 (projected) .447 .833 21.9 5.7 4.8 59.13 18.65 10.88 23.77 8.51 21.70

2006-07 season: Usually secondary players on championship teams become somewhat overrated. Ginobili is the glaring exception to that rule. He's perceived as a nice, solid, complementary player because he averages 16.5 points a game and comes off the bench and plays in a small city. Guess again: This guy's a superstar. If he played in a bigger market or played more minutes, it would become more apparent just how good Ginobili is, and what a travesty it was that he neither made the All-Star team nor won the Sixth Man award.

Ginobili ranked ninth in the NBA in Player Efficiency Rating last season. Not ninth among shooting guards or ninth among internationals -- I mean ninth out of everyone in the universe, right behind Kevin Garnett and just ahead of Carlos Boozer. He ranked ahead of five players -- Boozer, Gilbert Arenas, Steve Nash, Tracy McGrady, and Chris Bosh -- who finished in the top 10 in the MVP voting.

For some of you, this is evidence that Ginobili did indeed have a great year. For others, this is merely evidence that I am crazy. But go through the numbers and tell me where he was worse. Per-minute, if you compare what Manu did against those five superstars (Boozer, Arenas, Nash, McGrady, and Bosh), it's pretty easy see why he ranked ahead of them -- even though the general perception would be fairly unanimous that those players had better years.

I emphasize, per minute. Once you adjust for the fact that Ginobili only played 27.5 minutes per game, his numbers become astounding. Per 40 minutes, his rates of points, assists and rebounds were right in line with the other players on the list (see chart).

Player Pts/40 Rk Reb/40 Rk Ast/40 Rk T0/40 Rk TS% Rk PER
Manu Ginobili 24.0 4 6.3 3 5.1 4 3.05 3 60.9 2 24.18
Carlos Boozer 24.2 3 13.5 1 3.4 5 3.00 2 58.8 3 24.11
Gilbert Arenas 28.6 1 4.6 5 6.0 3 3.21 4 56.5 5 24.07
Steve Nash 21.0 6 4.0 6 13.2 1 4.28 6 65.4 1 23.87
Tracy McGrady 27.5 2 6.0 4 7.2 2 3.35 5 51.5 6 23.28
Chris Bosh 23.5 5 11.2 2 2.6 6 2.70 1 57.7 4 22.72

But where he really stands out are the secondary numbers. His turnover ratio is much better than the other perimeter players' and nearly as good as Boozer's; and his true shooting percentage is better than everyone's except Nash. And while I don't have room for it in the chart, his defensive numbers blow these guys away -- among shooting guards, Ginobili had the ninth-best rate of blocks per minute and the fourth-best rate of steals, and he did it while staying in San Antonio's team concept.

So why did we perceive the other guys as having superstar years but not Ginobili? Because we still worship at the altar of per-game averages, and there's simply no way for a player who plays 27.5 minutes per game to get numbers gaudy enough to get our attention.

That his minutes remain so low shows remarkable restraint on the part of the Spurs, who prefer to keep their silent star bottled up until they really need him (like say, in Games 5 and 6 against Phoenix, when he played 38 and 36 minutes) and otherwise keep him fresh. It also shows unusual esprit de corps on the part of an A-list talent, as Ginobili willingly went from starter to sixth man without so much as a peep of dissent.

Scouting report: Ginobili is almost impossible to contain on his left-handed drives to the rim because he changes angles and directions so effectively. Additionally, he has a knack for drawing contact and getting to the line, helped by some of the league's more impressive thespian skills.

He's also improved leaps and bounds as a shooter. Ginobili shot a career-best 39.6 percent on 3-pointers, and did it while attempting over 100 more than the year before. He's become very adept at stopping after one dribble to his left and pulling up for the 3, something he uses frequently on screen-and-roll plays if he sees his defender go behind the screen. He's even better from the corners, where he made 46.7 percent last year.

Ginobili is an underrated defender with great hands, and is the best in the league at leaping to deflect a pass thrown by his own man. The Spurs rarely play him against big-time scorers because they have Bruce Bowen, but when asked, Ginobili does creditable work. He's also huge on the glass, sporting the second-best rebound rate among shooting guards.

Finally, he's a flashy ballhandler who dribbled through an opponent's legs on at least two occasions last year -- once on Cleveland's Daniel Gibson in Game 3 of the Finals, and another time on Seattle's Rashard Lewis in the regular season. He's also a master of the length-of-the-court bounce pass, though he doesn't pass as well on the drive.

One other thing worth mentioning is that last year was the second in a row that Ginobili scored more points on the road, and the difference was huge. He averaged a whopping 4.1 points per game more in away games, where he shot both more frequently and more accurately than at home.

2007-08 outlook: Ginobili is 30 and his quickness is one of his chief assets, so it might be unrealistic to expect him to play at this level again next season. Nonetheless, his past three seasons have all been All-Star caliber, and there's no reason to doubt he can extend that streak to four. While his exploits don't get the proper recognition because of his limited minutes, he'll continue to be among the best players in the league.


Most similar at age: Eddie Jones

[Xolotl]

Whats this PER and why do we care? Not trying to be an A-hole but I dont know what it means....hope its good lol

[Dingle Barry]

eddie jones? what the fuck

[howbouthemspurs]

yay