Hillary Clinton the authentic canidate.

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can we all stop being gullable for at least one election in my lifetime.

[ChuckD]

can we all stop being gullable for at least one election in my lifetime.
Says the man with the Nader poster in his sig.

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how is being a Nader supporter "gullable"

maybe you need a history lesson

start with NAFTA.

[George Gervin's Afro]

how is being a Nader supporter "gullable"

maybe you need a history lesson

start with NAFTA.

Sort of like criticizing hillary clinton for doing what all politcians do.. Making it seem as though playing tough politics was soley a clinton creation..

[ChuckD]

how is being a Nader supporter "gullable"

maybe you need a history lesson

start with NAFTA.
Start with the 2000 election.

Thanks, Ralph, you egotistical prick.




The man has zero chance to be the POTUS. Supporting him could be seen as being gullible in some circles.

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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obama_mailings_false.html



Obama Mailings 'False'?
February 24, 2008
Clinton says Democrats should be "outraged." You be the judge.
Summary
Clinton said "every Democrat should be outraged" at two "false" mailers that Obama sent to voters in Ohio.

We find that a mailer criticizing her position on trade is indeed misleading. One that attacks her health care plan we have previously described as straining the facts, though not exactly "false."
Trade: A mailer showing a locked plant gate quotes Clinton as saying she believed NAFTA was "a boon" to the economy. Those are not her words and Obama was wrong to put quote marks around them. In fact, she's been described by a biographer as privately opposing NAFTA in the White House.

Health Care: A second mailer said Clinton's health care plan "forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it." We have previously said that mailer "lacks context" and strains the facts. But both Obama and Clinton have been exaggerating their differences on this issue.
We've also previously criticized Clinton for sending a mailer that twisted Obama's words and gave a false picture of his proposals on Social Security, home foreclosures and energy.

We leave it to our readers to decide whether they should be "outraged" or not, and at whom.
Analysis
Hillary Clinton Feb. 23 accused Barack Obama of "using tactics that are straight out of Karl Rove's playbook" with two attack-mail pieces that criticize her stands on trade and health care. "This is wrong, and every Democrat ought to be outraged," she said, adding: "He is continuing to send false and discredited information."



NAFTA "Boon"?


Both of the mailers Clinton criticized have been around for a while. The most recent deals with Clinton's views on the North American Free Trade Agreement, and images of its four pages were posted Feb. 13 by Ohio blogger Jeff Coryell. We haven't previously commented on this one, but Clinton's statement prompted us to take a closer look.


On the front of the four-page NAFTA mailer appears a headline saying, "Hillary Clinton believed NAFTA was 'a boon' to our economy." But in fact, Clinton never used the word "boon" to describe the effects of the trade agreement on the U.S. economy, and it's not clear she ever said anything like that.

The Obama mailer quotes a New York newspaper article that ran during her 2006 Senate reelection campaign. Two reporters for the Long Island daily Newsday gave brief descriptions of her stands on a number of issues, including this:

Newsday, Sept. 11, 2006: HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON: Clinton thinks NAFTA has been a boon to the economy, but voted against the Central American-Dominican Republic Free Trade Agreement, saying it would drive jobs offshore.

The day after the mailer surfaced, another Newsday reporter, Dan Janison, conceded that the newspaper didn't get that from Clinton or her campaign.

Newsday's Dan Janison, Feb. 14: The word ["boon"] was our characterization of how we best understood her position on NAFTA, based on a review of past stories and her public statements. ... We do not have a direct quote indicating her campaign told us she thought it was good for the economy at that time.

We frankly find Clinton's past position on NAFTA to be ambivalent. Bloomberg News reported last year that Clinton "promoted her husband's trade agenda for years." Bloomberg quoted her at the 1998 World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, as praising corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of Nafta,'' and adding, "It is certainly clear that we have not by any means finished the job that has begun."

On the other hand, Clinton biographer Sally Bedell Smith says Clinton privately argued against NAFTA inside the White House and was "not very much in favor of free trade." In an interview with Tim Russert on MSNBC last year she said:

Sally Bedell Smith, Oct. 27, 2007: And Hillary was really prepared to try and kill NAFTA. [Special Trade Representative] Mickey Kantor had to take her out ... behind the White House, sat her down on a bench, and said, we have to go first with NAFTA. We can come back to health care later, but we have to do NAFTA because we need a success and we need a bipartisan success. And he was absolutely right. And what convinced her at the time was not necessarily the merits of NAFTA, but the fact that it was a good political decision.

So, even then, she was not very much in favor of free trade. And so she is consistent. And Bill Clinton continues to be. So, if they were both in the White House together, I wouldn’t want to be in the middle of that little fight.

We could find no direct quote from Clinton praising NAFTA's economic effects. The Obama campaign cites a 1996 United Press International article as saying that Clinton on a trip to Brownsville, Texas, said NAFTA "would reap widespread benefits in the region." But that's a paraphrase, not a direct quote, so it's not clear to us exactly what she said on that trip.

Earlier, she was criticized by pro-NAFTA forces for a lack of support. In 1993 pro-NAFTA executive Gary R. Edson of Ameritech Corp. complained publicly of a "deafening" silence from Hillary Clinton during the fight to gain Congressional approval:

Gary R. Edson, Oct. 18, 1993: NAFTA should be made the clear priority, with a concerted campaign involving the entire administration, including Hillary Rodham Clinton, whose silence on the issue has been deafening.
And about the same time, a National Journal reporter quoted pro-NAFTA lobbyists as complaining that Hillary was undermining efforts to get the trade pact approved out of fear that pushing for it would alienate supporters of the administration's health care proposal. The headline: "If NAFTA's Bogging Down, Is Hillary to Blame?"

We take no position here on whether NAFTA is a boon to the economy or a detriment, and note only that there are plenty of arguments on both sides. We do judge that the Obama campaign is wrong to quote Clinton as using words she never uttered, and it has produced little evidence that she ever had strong praise of any sort for NAFTA's economic benefits.


The Health Care Mailing


The second mailing that Clinton criticized is one we dealt with Feb. 4. It attacks a feature of Clinton's health plan that would require individuals to obtain coverage. We said the mailer "lacks context" and stretches the facts, but we can't agree that it is "false" as Clinton says.

The mailer says "Hillary's health care plan forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it." But it fails to note that Clinton's plan, like Obama's, would subsidize the cost of insurance for many, making it more affordable.

We criticized the mailer for exaggerating the differences between Obama's plan and Clinton's. Since then both candidates have continued to strain the facts on this issue. Clinton keeps insisting that her plan will cover "everybody," which isn't quite true. It's true that her plan would include some sort of "mandate" to require individuals to obtain coverage. But as we reported Feb. 14, that would still leave perhaps a million persons without insurance, or more depending on how strong or weak her "mandate" turns out to be. She hasn't specified how she would enforce it or whether she would grant exemptions for hardship cases. Obama also has run ads claiming his plan would "cover everyone," but we quoted experts who estimated that 15 million or 26 million might be left without insurance unless required to obtain it; he too would have some kind of unspecified enforcement mechanism to ensure children have coverage. And we noted that experts are skeptical of both Clinton's and Obama's claims of huge cost savings from their plans.

For details, see our Feb. 14 article and our discussion of Massachusetts' Mandate from our Feb. 22 article on the Obama-Clinton debate in Texas.

In closing, we'd just note that Clinton is no innocent on sending out misleading mailers. We reported on Feb. 6 that a mailing by her campaign contained a "big distortion" of Obama's position on Social Security taxes and falsely implied that he had "no plan" to address mortgage foreclosures. It also attacked him for voting for a "Dick Cheney" energy bill that gave "huge tax breaks to oil companies," when in fact the bill gave a net tax increase to oil companies.

-by Brooks Jackson

But,but,but the Clintons are the only people who play dirty..you hypocritical pukes make me sick...

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can we all stop being gullable for at least one election in my lifetime.
Well you have changed presidents 3 times...

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can we all stop being gullable for at least one election in my lifetime.

:lmao This actress has her own IMDB page


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