Straight Talk Suicide: "If I lose (on the Iraq war), I lose"

[boutons_]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/25/john-mccain-says-he-could_n_88344.html

and like so many of the murderous, non-straight-talking war-loving right-wingnuts a on this board, McCain absolutely can't now flip-flop on Iraq and oil imperialism.

McCain WILL founder and sink on the Iraq war, no matter if the Repug lies about "winning" take hold.

A huge Dem turnout, like we see in the primaries, will overwhelm the fatally divided Repugs.

[DarkReign]

A huge Dem turnout, like we see in the primaries, will overwhelm the fatally divided Repugs.

In all seriousness, Republican voters could screw everything up in the primaries by voting for Hillary.

Especially in Texas, Ohio and the other two states with primaries (tomorrow, i think?).

If they do that, if I am not mistaken, under Texas law theyd be ineligible to vote Repub in the general.

But seeing as McCain would win in a landlside if it were a Hillary vs McCain ticket, then Texas Repubs could "die on the sword" so to speak and not vote in the general.

Heady stuff, IMO.

[AFBlue]

This is common sense....

McCain won't win the debate on social programs like healthcare because he's against giving it to people for free....and people love free stuff.

He's got to steak his claim on two levels....

One, that he was right about the troop surge in Iraq, and that his military leadership and experience are incredibly important in an unsure global political climate.

And two, that when the economy is struggling the last thing we need to be doing is increasing the federal budget (social programs). Instead we need to be putting more money in the pockets of consumers.

I don't know if either will be successful, but those have to be his two main talking points.

[101A]

This is common sense....

McCain won't win the debate on social programs like healthcare because he's against giving it to people for free....and people love free stuff.

He's got to steak his claim on two levels....

One, that he was right about the troop surge in Iraq, and that his military leadership and experience are incredibly important in an unsure global political climate.

And two, that when the economy is struggling the last thing we need to be doing is increasing the federal budget (social programs). Instead we need to be putting more money in the pockets of consumers.

I don't know if either will be successful, but those have to be his two main talking points.Both points are true (does that matter?).

[AFBlue]

Having said that....

He knew he screwed up right after he said it. It was instant foot-in-mouth to admit something like that. I think the clarifcation was a good one, but he was clearly trying to back off the finite nature of the statement.

[101A]

Having said that....

He knew he screwed up right after he said it. It was instant foot-in-mouth to admit something like that. I think the clarifcation was a good one, but he was clearly trying to back off the finite nature of the statement.As much as he might want to take it back, it is, in fact, a truism.

[AFBlue]

Both points are true (does that matter?).

If McCain can use the troop surge to stake his claim as best qualified commander-in-chief and broaden the debate beyond Iraq and onto radical Islamist terror, then I think it has a shot.

Rest assured Barack Obama, if the nominee, would make every attempt to stop that argument from being made. He doesn't want people to hear about his policy on negotiating with dictators, etc. He will want them to focus on the decision to go to war in Iraq.

On the economy, I don't think his argument will work....

Which is why I agree that he has to win the CinC argument. And at present, that argument begins and ends with Iraq....though to be fair there is now alot more discussion in-between on Pakistan, Cuba, Russia, etc.

[PixelPusher]

In all seriousness, Republican voters could screw everything up in the primaries by voting for Hillary.

Especially in Texas, Ohio and the other two states with primaries (tomorrow, i think?).

If they do that, if I am not mistaken, under Texas law theyd be ineligible to vote Repub in the general.

But seeing as McCain would win in a landlside if it were a Hillary vs McCain ticket, then Texas Repubs could "die on the sword" so to speak and not vote in the general.

Heady stuff, IMO.
Republicans voting for Hillary? "Die on the sword"? (I think the phrase is "fall on your sword", but same difference).

Looks like it's happening already...


One Montco brother stabs another in voting dispute (http://www.kyw1060.com/pages/1713466.php?contentType=4&contentId=1619166)
by KYW's Brad Segall

The race between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination continues to heat up -- but in one Montgomery County, Pa. household, the debate turned violent.

Prosecutors say that two brothers-in-law tried to settle the presidential race on the kitchen floor of a Collegeville, Pa. home.

Jose Ortiz, 28 (right), is now behind bars on felony assault charges after prosecutors say he stabbed Sean Shurelds inside a home in the 100 block of Honeylocust Court.

District attorney Risa Ferman says a heated debate over the candidates escalated into violence:

"One is a supporter of Barack Obama, the other is a supporter of Hillary Clinton, and an argument of words turned bloody when one brother-in-law tried to choke the other and the victim then responded with a knife and stabbed his brother-in-law in the stomach.”

Shurelds was taken to the hospital in critical condition. Ortiz is jailed in lieu of $20,000 bail. Police found the knife in the dishwasher.

If Ortiz is convicted of the felony charge, he won’t be able to vote. And voter registration records reveal that Ortiz, who supports Clinton, is registered Republican.

[clambake]

do you think giving the sunni, shiite and kurds never ending truckloads of money has had anything to do with "the success" of this troop surge?

[AFBlue]

do you think giving the sunni, shiite and kurds never ending truckloads of money has had anything to do with "the success" of this troop surge?

Right.....because that argument is going to be made by Obama/Clinton. :rolleyes

The only two arguments I've heard from the dems is...

One, there's been no significant political progress, which is about as ambiguous as you can get. Who defines "significant"?

Two, and my personal favorite, the Iraqi gov't is paying attention to the debates and knows that a democrat will be in office and will stop "writing blank checks", so they're acting now before it's too late. What a crock....

Whatever the situation with arming factions or just buying them off, it's not going to enter this debate. And the two arguments I've heard the dems lay out against the troop surge are flimsy at best.

[clambake]

Whatever the situation with arming factions or just buying them off, it's not going to enter this debate. And the two arguments I've heard the dems lay out against the troop surge are flimsy at best.
of course it isn't. i just find it amusing when ANYONE categorizes the troop surge as some kid of signifigant solution....whether or not their running for pres.

[PixelPusher]

do you think giving the sunni, shiite and kurds never ending truckloads of money has had anything to do with "the success" of this troop surge?
Sadr says "ceasefire", so there's a ceasefire...then we get to mop up a couple of al Qaeda cells and call it a "success"...because it's all about AQI and nothing to do with the Sunni vs. Shai (or the faction vs. faction within those groups).

[clambake]

Sadr says "ceasefire", so there's a ceasefire...then we get to mop up a couple of al Qaeda cells and call it a "success"...because it's all about AQI and nothing to do with the Sunni vs. Shai (or the faction vs. faction within those groups).
damned straight.....wait'll the iraqi govt. gets a load of the Al-Sadr Tet.

[DarkReign]

Republicans voting for Hillary? "Die on the sword"? (I think the phrase is "fall on your sword", but same difference).

Looks like it's happening already...

Ahhh, you are correct. I, in fact, meant "fall on the sword".

[boutons_]

Petraeus is very simply buying off, at $300/month, 80,000 Sunnis, only $24M month, the Sunnis who have provided the large majority of killings of US troops.

$24M is a hell of a lot cheaper than financing 30K US surge troops, and a hell of a lot less US blood wasted. Petraeus' ass-kicking first phase of the surge caused 2007 to be the worst US death toll of the war.

Petraeus is lso equipping Sunnis with weapons, driving the Shias crazy.

So who does Petraeus think will gain control of Iraq. Shia or will the Sunnis take it back. The Sunnis had a great time running Iraq, they want it back.

Let Petraeus turn off the Sunni money (obviously not while dubya is still in office) and let's see what happens with the newly financed and armed Sunnis.

"significant" progress? How about holding provincial elections so "democracy and freedom" take wing?

Has Iraq met all the surge 18 benchmarks?

[Yonivore]

In all seriousness, Republican voters could screw everything up in the primaries by voting for Hillary.

Especially in Texas, Ohio and the other two states with primaries (tomorrow, i think?).
That's the plan.


If they do that, if I am not mistaken, under Texas law theyd be ineligible to vote Repub in the general.
It's a secret ballot. Who's going to keep me from voting for the Republican in the general election if I vote for Hillary in the primary?


But seeing as McCain would win in a landlside if it were a Hillary vs McCain ticket, then Texas Repubs could "die on the sword" so to speak and not vote in the general.
Won't have to. I think you're confusing the fact that we cannot vote in two primaries. If I vote in the Democratic primary, I cannot vote in the Republican and vice versa. When I walk into the voting booth in November, both names are going to be on the ballot and I can throw the switch for either, regardless of how I voted in the primary.

The only downside is that I've got to carry a voter registration card, stamped DEMOCRAT, until the end of December.

Heady stuff, IMO.[/QUOTE]

[DarkReign]

It's a secret ballot. Who's going to keep me from voting for the Republican in the general election if I vote for Hillary in the primary?

Ahhh, then I am mistaken. I "thought" it was said that Texans had to vote in the general in the same party as they did in the primary.

Obviously, I was mistaken.

[boutons_]

McCain @ 73 is too damn old. He's an old 73, not a vigorous 73.

He's beat up, partially paralyzed, overweight, disheveled in his shirt sleeves, colorless (white isn't a color) and generally decrepit looking. A big hit on a Dole in 96 was that he was old,although facing an extremely popular incumbant was decisive.

In a country obsessed with image, Obama is much more presentable and telegenic, fwiw.

[AFBlue]

McCain @ 73 is too damn old. He's an old 73, not a vigorous 73.

He's beat up, partially paralyzed, overweight, disheveled in his shirt sleeves, colorless (white isn't a color) and generally decrepit looking. A big hit on a Dole in 96 was that he was old,although facing an extremely popular incumbant was decisive.

In a country obsessed with image, Obama is much more presentable and telegenic, fwiw.

That and he says the word "country" so incredibly awesome....

Seriously, if you've ever heard this guy you have to have noticed how he says every other word in the english language with Ivy League diction, but when it comes to the word "country", he throws some crazy southern preacher twang into it.

Country becomes "Cuntreh"....it's great.

[Mr. Peabody]

The only downside is that I've got to carry a voter registration card, stamped DEMOCRAT, until the end of December.



No, actually you don't. If you don't want your card stamped, the poll workers will give you a ticket with your information on it that you can use at the caucus.

[boutons_]

McCain lies: "My friends, the war will be over soon .... although the insurgency will go on for years and years and years"

What a dickhead, playing with words. The US military won't be "warring", but the insurgents will be?

His off-the-cuff statements are only slightly less inane than those of dubya.

If he means pulling the US military out, and letting the inevitable civil war run its course, I'm all for that. But of course, he plans to occupy Iraq for 100 years, then Iraq is nothing but a few more US military bases added to the 700 US foreign bases already wasting US$ all over the globe.

[Ignignokt]

Republicans are dumbasses. Especially if they pull that stunt.

I'm voting Obama.

It's better to lose to Obama than hillary.

[Ignignokt]

That's the plan.


It's a secret ballot. Who's going to keep me from voting for the Republican in the general election if I vote for Hillary in the primary?


Won't have to. I think you're confusing the fact that we cannot vote in two primaries. If I vote in the Democratic primary, I cannot vote in the Republican and vice versa. When I walk into the voting booth in November, both names are going to be on the ballot and I can throw the switch for either, regardless of how I voted in the primary.

The only downside is that I've got to carry a voter registration card, stamped DEMOCRAT, until the end of December.

Heady stuff, IMO.[/QUOTE]


whott da fuck yoni?

You are totally stupid if you think McCain StraitupdaAss Talkk express is gonna beat the MSM and the Clinton funding machine.

[Nbadan]

Yes He Can...


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[Yonivore]

No, actually you don't. If you don't want your card stamped, the poll workers will give you a ticket with your information on it that you can use at the caucus.
That's refreshing.

[rascal]

That's refreshing.
If its that bad don't register as a Dem. Stay with your own party.

[Nbadan]

Stay with your own party.

They defeated the Confederacy....