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duncan228
02-25-2008, 09:58 PM
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Spurs mailbag: Flight of the mango tree? Only a guess
Jeff McDonald

We here at the Mailbag don’t claim to know what Brent Barry is thinking. We haven’t tapped his phone. We aren’t in his head.

We don’t know for sure where he is going to wind up when his services go up for bid on Tuesday morning.

What we have here is a hunch. A gut feeling.

And that gut feeling tells us Barry’s new team will look a lot like his old team. Our hunch is Barry, essentially rendered a free agent during last week’s wheelings and dealings that brought Kurt Thomas to San Antonio, will re-sign with the Spurs, even if he has to wait nearly 30 more days to do it.

Our guess is he will essentially be a former Spurs swingman for less than a week. But it’s only a guess, not worth more than the virtual paper it’s printed on.

We’ll admit, from a pure playing-time perspective, it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Some of the other teams on his list of suitors – Houston, Dallas, Phoenix and Boston – could probably use him more.

With the rise of Ime Udoka in the rotation, the Spurs are having enough trouble making room for all the wing players they’ve got.

In the Spurs’ most recent victory, a 98-89 trumping of New Orleans on Saturday, Michael Finley – an erstwhile starter – managed to get on the floor for just 10 minutes, 45 seconds.

How many minutes can coach Gregg Popovich carve for Barry, who is still at least 10 days away from being able to play again after his second stint on the injured list?

The Rockets, Mavericks and Suns could find use for him as soon as he’s healthy enough. The Celtics would probably even offer him significant minutes at point guard.

So if Barry returns to the Spurs, it won’t be for playing time.

It will be for family – both his actual flesh and blood, and the fraternal bond of the Spurs locker room.

Barry and his wife, Erin, have been active in the San Antonio community since he arrived in 2004. His kids, as much a fixture in the Spurs’ locker room as their father, are entrenched in school here.

That will probably figure into Barry’s decision somehow.

(Something that won’t: His starring turn in a series of local H-E-B commercials, though it did give rise to one of our favorite e-mails of the week. From Tom, in San Antonio: “Come back Brent. You’re the mango tree.”)

Then there is the prospect of returning to the team with which he’s won a pair of NBA titles. He’s familiar with the Spurs’ offense, he’s familiar with his teammates. There would be no learning curve.

When he’s ready to play, he can just play. That has to factor in, too.

Still, until Barry puts pen to new contract, anything is possible.

Our gut feeling is that Barry will follow his heart, if not his head. But that’s only a hunch.

Now on to the few emails this week not regarding the fate of Barry …

We are looking for size. We gave up a 7-0, 235-pound and 6-6 3-point specialist for a low-scoring, limited rebounder and he is only 6-9, 235. My question is how is this going to take control of 7-2, 300-pound Shaq or 7-4 almost 300-pound Yao to help the middle and he is not a scoring machine nor dominant rebounder?
-- J.A. Gutierrez, San Antonio

It appears you are relying far too much on what we in the business of making of words like to call “measurables.” Put down the game program for a second and look at the actual players involved in the Kurt Thomas trade. Yes, Francisco Elson was 7 feet tall, but he played about 6-9. Yes, Thomas is 6-9, but he can bang with 7-footers.

Ask Tim Duncan what it’s like to play against Thomas in a seven-game playoff series. (Hint: It isn’t fun. Sometimes you wind up with a massive wedgie). Thomas knows every defensive trick in the book. He is also a vastly better rebounder that Elson. And he will consistently knock down a wide-open 16-footer, something else Elson couldn’t always be counted on to do.

Elson is bigger and younger than Thomas. Was he not coachable to play better defense and be more physical?
-- Joyce, San Antonio

Elson possesses some basketball skills, but he just isn’t a very physical player. He isn’t wired that way. Asking him to be a grinder a la Kurt Thomas is like asking a fish to sprout legs and walk, or like asking Kelvin Sampson to put down the cell phone and stop cheating. Sometimes, you simply are what you are.

I hope the Spurs still have the rights for Steve Kerr and Avery Johnson. After recent trades that sent retired players to other clubs, it would be funny to make some deals and send those two away from their current jobs. I'm imagining Avery coaching the Mavs from the bench of the Timberwolves and Steve doing his GM duties from New York!
-- Daniel, Budapest

We can only imagine how the conversation went at Keith Van Horn’s house last week.

Donnie Nelson: “Yo, Keith. Wanna make $4 million the easy way? All you have to do is go hang out in a different NBA town for a couple months.”

Van Horn: “Sure! Where do I have to go?”

Nelson: “New Jersey.”

Van Horn: “Can you make it $5 million?”

How is Ian Mahinmi coming along? I would like to see him start along side with Duncan. Is that a possibility?
-- Mike, San Antonio

Mahinmi is flourishing in the Developmental League, averaging 17.7 points and a team-leading 8.3 rebounds and 1.5 blocks a game for the Austin Toros. But he’s also only 21, raw in a lot of areas, and still needs significant seasoning before he’s ready to be an everyday contributor in the NBA.

Wouldn’t be shocked to see Mahinmi on the Spurs’ active roster next season, but visions of him actually starting next to Duncan are a far-off dream at this point.

Letting Barry go is understandable, but Elson is a different question. He did a pretty good job guarding Dirk Nowitzki and I don't see Thomas doing that. This only works if you bring Mahinmi up from the Toros
-- Jim Miller, Navarre, Fla.

Though Elson’s role as a “Dirk stopper” is a bit overhyped, he did about as good a job of it as anyone else on the Spurs roster. With Elson gone, the Spurs will probably have to leave Bruce Bowen on Dirk for longer periods than they’d like, so you have one good point there.

Mahinmi, however, would be a non-factor in the Dirk-stoppage department. He’s just not quite ready for the NBA as it is. Throwing him up against one of the best scorers in the game would be a recipe for not good.

Is Manu getting a bald spot or my eyes playing tricks on me?
-- Daniel, San Antonio

Contrary to popular belief, Manu is not going bald. He just walked into SuperCuts and said, “Give me the Friar Tuck.”

Can I adopt Manu when he retires? When he's hot, he's hot. Gotta love him.
-- Carolee Moretti, Frankfort, Ken.

Go for it. But you’re probably going to have to fight the entire population of Buenos Aires for adoption rights. Good luck!

T Park
02-25-2008, 10:29 PM
Elson possesses some basketball skills, but he just isn’t a very physical player. He isn’t wired that way. Asking him to be a grinder a la Kurt Thomas is like asking a fish to sprout legs and walk, or like asking Kelvin Sampson to put down the cell phone and stop cheating. Sometimes, you simply are what you are.


Ok that made me :lol

ChuckD
02-25-2008, 10:35 PM
If QUE GEE says "not likely", I'll go with that.

Flight of the Phoenix.

T Park
02-25-2008, 10:48 PM
Mahinmi is now officially the new James White.

thispego
02-25-2008, 11:16 PM
those iditos who write in those emails are fucking retarded

The Truth #6
02-25-2008, 11:20 PM
I don't think anyone takes McDonald's disclaimer very serious. Evidently, Barry is back.

baseline bum
02-25-2008, 11:35 PM
This was a much better mailbag from McDonald than the ones in the past where he was clowning people.

clubalien
02-26-2008, 12:01 AM
Is Manu getting a bald spot or my eyes playing tricks on me?
-- Daniel, San Antonio

Contrary to popular belief, Manu is not going bald. He just walked into SuperCuts and said, “Give me the Friar Tuck.”

I always thought manu was bald. This mail bag did teach me one thing here. It is a hair style... not actual balding.

T Park
02-26-2008, 12:05 AM
:lol

Hopefully Barry comes back.

Whats strange though, if he did come back, I have zero clue who they would put on the inactive list for him...

clubalien
02-26-2008, 12:08 AM
my guess is bonner or 3rd pg

T Park
02-26-2008, 12:09 AM
Bonner more than likely yeah.

Vaughn or Stoudamire? Doubtfull.

circ
02-26-2008, 12:15 AM
well how many minutes can he even play after his injury anyway?

won't he have to take it kinda easy?

Holt's Cat
02-26-2008, 12:18 AM
Starters
1 Parker
2 Ginobili
3 Bowen
4 Duncan
5 Oberto

Bench
1 Stoudamire
1 Vaughn
2/3 Finley
2/3 Barry
2/3 Udoka
4 Horry
4/5 Thomas

T Park
02-26-2008, 12:19 AM
Starters
1 Parker
2 Ginobili
3 Bowen
4 Duncan
5 Oberto

Bench
1 Stoudamire
1 Vaughn
2/3 Finley
2/3 Barry
2/3 Udoka
4 Horry
4/5 Thomas


If healthy, that combo is unbeatbale.

boutons_
02-26-2008, 12:28 AM
Barry's announcement is Tue morn, right?

whottt
02-26-2008, 12:52 AM
Barry's announcement is Tue morn, right?


Supposedly he's going to let the Suns know if he will sign with them either late tonight or early tomorrow...the article I read that in made it sound like he's either going to the Suns or the Spurs..with the Mavs, Rockets and Celts now out of the picture.




The best argument I've heard for Barry staying in SA is that he already knows the system.


I'm not sure he won't get that many minutes as he's got a different skill set that virtually everyone else on our roster...IE, we don't have many 5 point quarters with him getting some minutes...


I expect his minutes won't change a whole lot...


Pop hasn't been able to evict him from the rotation in the previous 3 years and Barry actually plays like Pop wants now...

Thompson
02-26-2008, 12:54 AM
those iditos who write in those emails are fucking retarded

You misspelled 'idiots.' :lol

Was that a typo, or schtick?

phyzik
02-26-2008, 12:59 AM
You misspelled 'idiots.' :lol

Was that a typo, or schtick?

talk sbout sweet irony!! :lol

Still, I agree, I swear they pick the most stupid emails out of the bunch just to make themselves look smart.

I would be suprised if McDonald could hold his own here for 15 minutes...

Sure I want Barry to sign again but this dude just sounds like a dumbass everytime I read his shit.

timvp
02-26-2008, 01:03 AM
Starters
1 Parker
2 Ginobili
3 Bowen
4 Duncan
5 Oberto

Bench
1 Stoudamire
1 Vaughn
2/3 Finley
2/3 Barry
2/3 Udoka
4 Horry
4/5 ThomasDamn. That'd be one hell of a team. If you want to extend roles, you can look at it like:

Starters
1 Parker
2 Ginobili
3 Bowen
4 Duncan
5 Oberto

Bench
1 Stoudamire
1 Vaughn
1/2/3 Barry
2/3 Finley
2/3/4 Udoka
4 Horry
4/5 Thomas

:smokin

T Park
02-26-2008, 01:07 AM
Yeah that team, can beat anyone.

Phoenix
LA
Dallas

anyone.

Bring on the playoffs.

oh BTW

COME BACK BRENT PLEASE!!!!

Holt's Cat
02-26-2008, 01:14 AM
Udoka can really earn his money this season as the small ball 4.

T Park
02-26-2008, 01:18 AM
Yeah he had his moments tonight at the 4 spot and played decently.

Cleveland was probobly his shining moment as the 4 man.

Holt's Cat
02-26-2008, 01:19 AM
Well, he probably won't be able to play the 4 against the Cavs anymore.

T Park
02-26-2008, 01:20 AM
Very true.

Where I defer to your post "The Thomas trade looks better and better"

:smokin

Holt's Cat
02-26-2008, 01:24 AM
As for Barry, who knows? If it's really down to the Spurs v Suns, I don't think the Suns have shown that they are that much of a lock to win anything with Shaq up until this point. Oh well, we'll find out soon enough.

Obstructed_View
02-26-2008, 01:28 AM
:lol

Hopefully Barry comes back.

Whats strange though, if he did come back, I have zero clue who they would put on the inactive list for him...
Mahinmi isn't going to be on the playoff roster, is he? Add Barry to the current roster and there's your 13.

Radiosparks
02-26-2008, 01:35 AM
Come back Barry!

T Park
02-26-2008, 01:36 AM
Mahinmi isn't going to be on the playoff roster, is he? Add Barry to the current roster and there's your 13.

You can only have 12 suited up for a game.

You can have 15 total players on a roster.

RuffnReadyOzStyle
02-26-2008, 01:36 AM
I'm interested to see Ime play on Dirk. At least now we can throw 48minutes of Bowen/Ime at the big German... no rest for him any more.

The questions these mailbag people ask show them up as casual NBA fans who don't really understand the game. That's okay though, because if everyone got it we wouldn't be elite, now would we? :toast :lol

Obstructed_View
02-26-2008, 01:40 AM
You can only have 12 suited up for a game.

You can have 15 total players on a roster.
I guess I just assumed we were talking about the playoff roster. Since the active list can change from game to game now, I didn't think it was relevant. Bonner will certainly be the casualty as long as everyone stays healthy, which is possibly his only chance to actually make the postseason list.

Obstructed_View
02-26-2008, 01:42 AM
I'm interested to see Ime play on Dirk. At least now we can throw 48minutes of Bowen/Ime at the big German... no rest for him any more.
I'm interested in seeing it too. For some reason I don't think of him being able to match up as well as Bowen does, for whatever reason. Even if he didn't, it'd be nice to have another defender to allow Bowen to just concentrate on Dirk.


The questions these mailbag people ask show them up as casual NBA fans who don't really understand the game. That's okay though, because if everyone got it we wouldn't be elite, now would we? :toast :lol
Agreed. Someone that actually knows about the Spurs probably doesn't go there looking for answers.

Bruno
02-26-2008, 07:56 AM
I hope McDonald's gut feeling is based on some infos he has learned from Spurs.
Otherwise, it will be quite lame to give, without any reason, some hope to Spurs fan.

We will see what will happen but if Barry end up elsewhere, I will quite pissed at McDonald.

RuffnReadyOzStyle
02-26-2008, 08:06 AM
I'm interested in seeing it too. For some reason I don't think of him being able to match up as well as Bowen does, for whatever reason. Even if he didn't, it'd be nice to have another defender to allow Bowen to just concentrate on Dirk.

One of the things that Ime does to frustrate his opponent is getting right up close to them in a low defensive stance with his arms straight up, and he is so broad that this makes it hard for them to take the quick first step to turn the corner around him, and also impairs their vision. You may know what I mean, if not, look for it. I think it might bother Dirk because Jax did the same thing to him last year.

Imagine having Bruce dogging Dirk with Ime as the random doubler... bye bye big German! You might be able to run this if Kidd and Terry are on the court - Ime doubling off Kidd while Parker/JC/MM takes Terry. I'm happy to make Kidd shoot to beat us.

Aggie Hoopsfan
02-26-2008, 10:01 AM
One of the things that Ime does to frustrate his opponent is getting right up close to them in a low defensive stance with his arms straight up, and he is so broad that this makes it hard for them to take the quick first step to turn the corner around him, and also impairs their vision. You may know what I mean, if not, look for it. I think it might bother Dirk because Jax did the same thing to him last year.

Imagine having Bruce dogging Dirk with Ime as the random doubler... bye bye big German! You might be able to run this if Kidd and Terry are on the court - Ime doubling off Kidd while Parker/JC/MM takes Terry. I'm happy to make Kidd shoot to beat us.

Don't forget about Howard. Much more likely that we see something like Bowen on Dirk and Udoka on Howard...

MoSpur
02-26-2008, 10:06 AM
I liked this mailbag

MoSpur
02-26-2008, 10:09 AM
I think Bowen would be better on Howard because of his quickness and Ime on Dirk because Ime is much more physical and stronger. Who knows, but I am glad we have both.

Aggie Hoopsfan
02-26-2008, 10:17 AM
I think Bowen would be better on Howard because of his quickness and Ime on Dirk because Ime is much more physical and stronger. Who knows, but I am glad we have both.

Yeah but Bowen checks Dirk pretty well, and Dirk is more likely to get some of his typical BS superstar calls with Udoka on him than Bowen.

MoSpur
02-26-2008, 10:38 AM
Yeah but Bowen checks Dirk pretty well, and Dirk is more likely to get some of his typical BS superstar calls with Udoka on him than Bowen.

Good point.

BTW, I checked the Mavericks boxscore from last night's game. Dampier had like 16 rebounds and seven blocked shots. It was against the Washington so I don't know what to think about that.

Aggie Hoopsfan
02-26-2008, 10:47 AM
Good point.

BTW, I checked the Mavericks boxscore from last night's game. Dampier had like 16 rebounds and seven blocked shots. It was against the Washington so I don't know what to think about that.

Think Washington doesn't have any good big men.

MoSpur
02-26-2008, 11:22 AM
Think Washington doesn't have any good big men.

True

Obstructed_View
02-26-2008, 12:08 PM
Good point.

BTW, I checked the Mavericks boxscore from last night's game. Dampier had like 16 rebounds and seven blocked shots. It was against the Washington so I don't know what to think about that.
Damp's been playing rather inspired ball. I suspect it has more to do with Diop's departure than with Kidd's arrival. When he plays with some effort he doesn't get as many lazy fouls, but when it comes down to it, he still only has six.

I also thought the Mavs showed signs of turning around prior to the trade because Dirk made a deliberate effort to start going to the rim, which really makes him dangerous. I'd have said don't sleep on the Mavericks until they made that idiotic trade.

FromWayDowntown
02-26-2008, 12:25 PM
Good point.

BTW, I checked the Mavericks boxscore from last night's game. Dampier had like 16 rebounds and seven blocked shots. It was against the Washington so I don't know what to think about that.

Didn't Dallas play Chicago last night?

I thought Washington was in New Orleans.

Obstructed_View
02-26-2008, 12:33 PM
Yeah, Chicago was in town, not Washington. Noah started the game.

roycrikside
02-26-2008, 12:46 PM
IMHO if Tony is all the way healthy, I think Vaughn should be 13th and Bonner 12th, for many reasons.

1. Tony will probably lead the team in minutes in the playoffs anyway, so his backups are less critical.

2. Big men foul more than smalls, and you never know when Tim and Fab and Kurt will all be in foul trouble at the same time.

3. Bonner can stick a three or grab an offensive board.

4. Manu and Brent could both play point guard (and have done it well) if need be.

5. We have plenty of guards on the roster, but Bonner is only our 5th big. Without him it's like 8 smalls, 4 bigs.

6. Last night, in the 4th quarter I think, the Spurs had a mini-break, a 4-on-3 and Manu passed it to Vaughn, completely open at the free throw line. Like he had nobody around him in a 10 foot radius. He passed up the shot, we dicked around with it, and eventually turned it over. If an NBA guard doesn't have the confidence (or the offensive intelligence) to shoot a free throw jumper when he's wide open, he really shouldn't be on a playoff roster. There is such a thing as being too unselfish and Vaughn is just too damn afraid to shoot.

roycrikside
02-26-2008, 12:48 PM
Also, I think if Brent does come back, he'd only play in smallball line-ups. He's pretty much been a smallball specialist these past two years.

Duncan/Finley (or Udoka, or Bowen)/Manu/Barry/Tony