Obama sucks.

[SequSpur]

he is terrible.

[clambake]

thread title: Obama sucks.
post after title: he is terrible.

did another republican just come out of the closet?

[Wild Cobra]

I doubt it, I think you, Oh Gee, and Boutons have another step-brother...

[Nbadan]

Actually, this is one of Sequ's better forum posts...

[xrayzebra]

Obama blows more than he sucks. Old saying: He is as full of
crap as a Christmas turkey.

[Extra Stout]

What, you don't have faith that the Obamassiah will save your soul?

[clambake]

What, you don't have faith that the Obamassiah will save your soul?
you seem to have it in for this guy.

[Extra Stout]

you seem to have it in for this guy.
Since he's probably got the nomination in hand, it's time to mobilize the snark brigade. Nothing personal; he seems like a decent enough guy, except for being a liberal. The people who faint at the sight of him are dimwits, nevertheless.

[PixelPusher]

Obama blows more than he sucks. Old saying: He is as full of
crap as a Christmas turkey.
(note to self: Never eat holiday turkey prepared at Xrays house)

[Trainwreck2100]

Most candidates do, just look at the last election

[JoeChalupa]

I'm looking towards the future.

[101A]

I'm looking towards the future.
By supporting a guy who is promising more of the past's failed programs?

Good luck with that.

[clambake]

good luck joe. are you sure you wouldn't feel more comfortable under a rightwing blanket of fear?

[George Gervin's Afro]

good luck joe. are you sure you wouldn't feel more comfortable under a rightwing blanket of fear?


ohhh the good old days...

[101A]

good luck joe. are you sure you wouldn't feel more comfortable under a rightwing blanket of fear?Who's selling fear?

I know who's selling snake oil.

[clambake]

the term "snake oil salesman" is often used by banjo pickers.

[boutons_]

The future, like the past, will continuation of America's corporations, protected and abetted by Repugs, at war or threatening war as has been the case for decades.

As much as I'd like the US out of Iraq (700 other foreign bases), I don't think Obama can win against corporate $Bs. Nobody can.

"The US was signed,sealed, and delivered to the corps a long time ago.] - George Carlin

[BonnerDynasty]

good luck joe. are you sure you wouldn't feel more comfortable under a rightwing blanket of fear?


Like how the dems are fear-mongering the economy right now?

We are going to stick it to the evil wealthy (except politicians, they don't play that game), we are going to implement uni healthcare, we are going implement more social programs, we are going to hug some trees, we aren't going to fix social security (because after all, we the politicians don't have to pay into it so we don't give a fuck)...The economy will be great!


Ever notice how Obama speaks about going after the credit companies instead of telling the people they need to educate themselves so they can go up against these credit companies? Ever notice he wants to increase min wage instead of putting emphasis on not having to rely on min. wage? Notice a pattern?

[clambake]

you left out euro vs dollar.....billions being paid to shia, sunni and kurd (which will blowup in our faces).......being china's new bitch.

[spurster]

Obama was waiting for this endorsement.

[boutons_]

"fear-mongering the economy right now"

Everybody worth listening to, not only Dems, is saying the economy sucks, zero growth, even contraction, will continue to suck past 20 Jan 09, and that's not even if all the risks play out. They don't konw WTF is going to happen, but all indicators and trend lines are negatives.

Can't pin the bad economy on the Dems. its totally fucked up after 7 years of the Repugs running the show.

[AFBlue]

I've heard Obama use the phrase "nation in peril" more than once during this campaign. Surely there are real problems, but the Republicans can't be the only ones accused of using hyperbole to scare people into voting for them.

[johnsmith]

I love that Boutons edits his posts a good two hours after making them.

[MarceloM!]

OBAMA FOR CHANGE. I like Obama more than Hillary and Democrats more than Republicans. I don't want another republican for Washington. I disagree with the Bush Administration and all that killing hour. Please, don't be afraid and don't permit to be fooled by all that war paranoia.



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OBAMA T-SHIRTS GIFTS
http://www.cafepress.com/tshirtmaster/3077393

[Nbadan]

I've heard Obama use the phrase "nation in peril" more than once during this campaign. Surely there are real problems, but the Republicans can't be the only ones accused of using hyperbole to scare people into voting for them.

Obama is right...we are running big deficits at a time that we should be paying off the national debt....foreigners feed us their credit and then try to dictate foreign policy to our dear leader....there is no telling when these countries will say, enough is enough...we don't want anymore worthless dollars or IOUs....and that day of reckoning is getting closer and closer at hand thanks in large part to the trillions of dollars we are spending in Iraq, Afghanistan and the rest of the world...

[DarkReign]

Who's selling fear?

I hope thats a rhetorical question.

[smeagol]

sequ sucks

[Ya Vez]

I am just waiting for the democratic party implosion .. that should be something to see..

[rasho8]

I think Rush Limbauigh actually makes a good point about Obama here in this quote


Barack Obama, ladies and gentlemen, is a blank canvas upon which anybody can project their fantasies, or their desires. You look at Democrats in the audience, and they're swooning. He's saying nothing. He's saying nothing better than anybody in my lifetime ever has. The reason he says nothing so well is because everybody thinks that he's saying what they want. So they're able to project onto Obama their fantasies. If they believe in allowing somebody to marry a dog, they think Obama will support it. Therefore, I would like today to announce a tentative decision, I'm stilling thinking about it, to endorse Barack Obama, since everybody is asking who am I going to endorse, and here's why. Barack Obama is pro-life. Barack Obama is a Constitutionalist. Barack Obama believes in limited government. Barack Obama is in favor of health care savings plans. Barack Obama loves free markets and wants to protect them. Barack Obama is strong on national defense. Barack Obama is a tax cutter extraordinaire. Barack Obama makes my leg tingle when I hear him speak. Barack Obama will end the designated hitter rule. Barack Obama will establish a college football playoff once and for all so we will genuinely have a champion. Barack Obama will get to the bottom of Spygate. Barack Obama will offer free beer Fridays. Whatever you want Obama to be, folks, he's a blank slate, he's an empty canvas, and this is the nature of his appeal. Whatever people fantasize about, whatever they want, they are confident Obama supports it, too.

[clambake]

so rush wants to marry a dog. good point.

[AFBlue]

I think Rush Limbauigh actually makes a good point about Obama here in this quote

Obama is a liberal democrat, not a blank slate.

He has the same ideas as most every other democrat. The only thing different about Obama is the way in which he presents those policies to the American people.

Bottom Line: It's the same old policies with a nice, new shiny wrapper.

Oh, and Rush is retarded.

[rasho8]

Obama is a liberal democrat, not a blank slate.

He has the same ideas as most every other democrat. The only thing different about Obama is the way in which he presents those policies to the American people.

Bottom Line: It's the same old policies with a nice, new shiny wrapper.

Oh, and Rush is retarded.

Obama is a Socialist. Lets call a spade a spade okay?

[FromWayDowntown]

Obama is a Socialist. Lets call a spade a spade okay?

I'll hazard a guess that you think that of virtually all liberal democrats.

[ChumpDumper]

Pretty unfortunate cliché to use.

Just yell his middle name at the top of your lungs.

[boutons_]

What's a "socialist" as used as right-wing slime? (I can look it up but what is the SPECIFIC meaning when used as right-wing slime?)

It's a a code word?, like "states rights" was for institutional racism.

It seems that everybody who looked at both platforms sees that Obama and Hillary are almost identical, so Hillary's socialist, too.

I suppose all you socialist-slimers much prefer the fascism of corps/Repugs/neo-cunts?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

seems pretty racist to me, historically, the attempts to reduce Obama to nothing but a "good speaker" with no substance


What substance has he given, other than the usual political rhetoric of taxing the rich, universal health care, and bridging the aisle in D.C.?

[possessed]

What's a "socialist" as used as right-wing slime? (I can look it up but what is the SPECIFIC meaning when used as right-wing slime?)

It's a a code word?, like "states rights" was for institutional racism.

It seems that everybody who looked at both platforms sees that Obama and Hillary are almost identical, so Hillary's socialist, too.

I suppose all you socialist-slimers much prefer the fascism of corps/Repugs/neo-cunts?
You scream tolerance.

[rasho8]

What's a "socialist" as used as right-wing slime? (I can look it up but what is the SPECIFIC meaning when used as right-wing slime?)

It's a a code word?, like "states rights" was for institutional racism.

It seems that everybody who looked at both platforms sees that Obama and Hillary are almost identical, so Hillary's socialist, too.

I suppose all you socialist-slimers much prefer the fascism of corps/Repugs/neo-cunts?

Wow eloquent name caller.

You ever look at Europe? You notice they are socialists? Its called huge government that mandates what you will/will not have. State run health care, that would be a socialistic society.

I will take 30+ percent of your money (40+ in some European countries) and provide you with 75% of your health care, the rest you are required by law to have insurance to cover. Welcome to Hillary-care.

Thats the same as Sweden/France/England and so on.

Socialism is a redistribution of wealth by taking my money, and taking rich peoples money, and paying for everything for everyone.

I'm sorry but I already pay a lot in taxes and I pay a lot for my health care. So you want to take more in taxes and STILL make me pay for my health care?

Nope... I don't want it thank you. And I sure as hell don't want to be paying for YOUR health care. Sue me if I am an insensitive bastard but you want health care? Go get your ass a job and buy some like I do.

Even McDonald's has a health insurance plan.

[boutons_]

substance? a summary of his record:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/21/164117/783?new=true

if you want campaign substance, start reading:

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

[rasho8]

THE BREAKDOWN

Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobs

Obama will encourage the deployment of the most modern communications infrastructure to reduce the costs of health care, help solve our energy crisis, create new jobs, and fuel our economic growth.
HOW?!

* Support Job Creation: Barack Obama believes we need to double federal funding for basic research and make the research and development tax credit permanent to help create high-paying, secure jobs. Obama will also make long-term investments in education, training, and workforce development so that Americans can leverage our strengths - our ingenuity and entrepreneurialism - to create new high-wage jobs and prosper in a world economy.
HOW? What will you cut to fund this? Where will the money come from?

* Invest in U.S. Manufacturing: The Obama comprehensive energy independence and climate change plan will invest in America's highly-skilled manufacturing workforce and manufacturing centers to ensure that American workers have the skills and tools they need to pioneer the first wave of green technologies that will be in high demand throughout the world. Obama will also provide assistance to the domestic auto industry to ensure that new fuel-efficient vehicles are built by American workers.
Again that sounds great but what do you mean invest? More subsidies? Tax cuts? Credits? Raise my taxes to pay for it?

* Create New Job Training Programs for Clean Technologies: The Obama plan will increase funding for federal workforce training programs and direct these programs to incorporate green technologies training, such as advanced manufacturing and weatherization training, into their efforts to help Americans find and retain stable, high-paying jobs. Obama will also create an energy-focused youth jobs program to invest in disconnected and disadvantaged youth.
So you target poor people to take highly trained and skilled positions. Okay that sounds great. But that already exists. Plenty of scholarships out there for those underprivileged people who want them. And just what the hell is weatherization?

* Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs: The Obama plan will create new federal policies, and expand existing ones, that have been proven to create new American jobs. Obama will create a federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) that will require 25 percent of American electricity be derived from renewable sources by 2025, which has the potential to create hundreds of thousands of new jobs on its own. Obama will also extend the Production Tax Credit, a credit used successfully by American farmers and investors to increase renewable energy production and create new local jobs.
Again, Obama says nothing but "I will throw money at people more to make more jobs" great. Very good. But he will create new policies and so on. What policies? What is he going to do? All this says is "I will make more jobs by giving people money"

* Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: Obama believes we can get broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation's wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation facilities, technologies and applications, and new tax and loan incentives.
That sounds alright. I think we need to catch up to Europe and Japan in this... unfortunately our country is REALLY BIG land wise... those countries are VERY SMALL land wise.

* Protect the Openness of the Internet: Obama supports the basic principle that network providers should not be allowed to charge fees to privilege the content or applications of some web sites and Internet applications over others. This principle will ensure that the new competitors, especially small or nonprofit speakers, have the same opportunity as big companies to innovate and reach large audiences.
If you have a better product, people will use it. Look at Firefox and how much share it is grabbing from Internet Exploder. Good things work without government interference.

* Invest in Rural Areas: Obama will invest in rural small businesses and fight to expand high-speed Internet access. He will improve rural schools and attract more doctors to rural areas.
Woohoo... wait didn't you say that earlier?

[boutons_]

...

[whottt]

I'm not voting for anyone named Hussein...


And before you pull the race card....I'm not voting for anyone named Adolph either...and I'm German. So :fu

I'm not voting for anyone named Usama.
I'm not voting for anyone named Satan.
I'm not voting for anyone named Vladamir.
I'm not voting for anyone named Mao.

Or Leonid.
Or Fidel.
Or Hugo.
Or Khomeni.


The way I look at it...if they are too stupid to change their name? They are too stupid to be President.





And just to prove I'm not racist...I'm German and even though I wouldn't vote for someone named Adolph, I would vote for an Austrian named Arnie :tu

[Mr. Peabody]

I'm not voting for anyone named Usama.
I'm not voting for anyone named Satan.
I'm not voting for anyone named Vladamir.
I'm not voting for anyone named Mao.



That's unfortunate, I hear the Satan/Mao ticket might be a viable third party ticket this year. I think people are finally over the "being expelled from Heaven"-gate controversy.

[whottt]

I'd vote for somebody named Elvis.

Wouldn't vote for somebody named Dukakis...in fact I didn't...sounds like something you do in the toilet.

I'd consider somebody named Bubba.

Buda...

Zarathrustra.

In fact I'd be intrigued.

[whottt]

Wouldn't vote for someone named smeagol...or Che.

Might consider Chump or elpimpo4cc depending on their stance on the war.

[whottt]

Definitely wouldn't vote for someone named boutons.

[whottt]

Would vote for someone named Cat Stevens...


Would not vote for someone named Yusuf Islam...

Although if he changed his name to Joe Peace I'd consider it.

[AFBlue]

The way I look at it...if they are too stupid to change their name? They are too stupid to be President.


That's terrible logic. With today's "gotcha" investigative journalism, someone would've found out that his given middle name at birth was Hussein, and they would've used that to exploit him even further.

This guy plays on the fact that he is "genuine", but he looks like nothing more than a political animal if he hides the fact that his middle name is Hussein, presumably for political purposes.

Something tells me, people like you wouldn't have voted for Obama even if his middle name was James, so I don't guess it matters too much that his actual middle name is a known fact.

[boutons_]

White men hyping "Hussein" name as THE KEY POINT is the right-wing new code word for "nigga", which is exactly in line with 35+ years of Repug "southern strategy", ie, "The Repug party is the party of white people against and over non-whites".

It's not by mistake that the murderous "lynch" has been used recently, at least twice, by right-wingers.

[xrayzebra]

White men hyping "Hussein" name as THE KEY POINT is the right-wing new code word for "nigga", which is exactly in line with 35+ years of Repug "southern strategy", ie, "The Repug party is the party of white people against and over non-whites".

It's not by mistake that the murderous "lynch" has been used recently, at least twice, by right-wingers.

I didn't know that? Did you?

Gee boutons is just a smart guy. Wonder where he got
all this knowledge. Sears and Roebucks.

[smeagol]

White men hyping "Hussein" name as THE KEY POINT is the right-wing new code word for "nigga", which is exactly in line with 35+ years of Repug "southern strategy", ie, "The Repug party is the party of white people against and over non-whites".

It's not by mistake that the murderous "lynch" has been used recently, at least twice, by right-wingers.

I though there were more Democrats that were racists.

I don't know my American history . . . :depressed

[Mr. Peabody]

I though there were more Democrats that were racists.

I don't know my American history . . . :depressed

You're thinking of the Bexar County Poll Party. Those damn racists want all of us Mexicans stuck in traffic.

[JoeChalupa]

Racism has no political party lines. Never has and never will.

[JoeChalupa]

Anyone who would judge a person by their name is an idiot. But that is just me. You know how much teasing I've gotten because of "Jose"? Pathetic.

[Mr. Peabody]

Anyone who would judge a person by their name is an idiot. But that is just me. You know how much teasing I've gotten because of "Jose"? Pathetic.

I would have thought it was "Chalupa" that would have drawn more ridicule....

[DarkReign]

My middle name is Mackenzie. You have no idea....

[boutons_]

The southern Democrats WERE racists and then they were race-baited into becoming Repugs starting with Nixon. Same people, same racism. Now they are racist Repugs.

White men have always run the diverse, melting pot USA and white men are apparently the most volatile group in this election. The Repugs will pander to their misogynism and to their racism, to vote in another (old) white man.

It will be extremely interesting to see how Obama try to win the vote of white men.

[clambake]

My middle name is Mackenzie. You have no idea....
i'm from a place where your name is rich in strength and bravery.

wear it proudly.

[Kent_in_Atlanta]

I'm looking towards the future.

All this "future" and "change" stuff cracks me up. Obama would like you to believe that he's pointing toward the future and not he past... as though the things Obama stands for are anything new.

Socialism isn't new. It's been around a very long time.

[Extra Stout]

Obama is an anti-American, militant-black, Nation of Islam, trained-in-a-madrassa secret-Muslim Manchurian candidate who conspires with terrorists to destroy America, who will institute Sharia law when elected, and who also is a Bolshevik, and is related to Saddam Hussein and is therefore bitter about his being deposed. In addition, Obama hates Israel and will aid the Palestinians in destroying it. He also will institute an American Holocaust against the Jews. He meets monthly with Osama bin Laden to discuss their plot to destroy America. The entire Democratic Party is on board because they are bitter that the Soviet Union lost, and they also hate all Christians and want to see them all martyred and their children given as sex slaves to gay pedophiles. Finally, Obama probably is the biblically-prophesied Antichrist.

[AFBlue]

Finally, Obama probably is the biblically-prophesied Antichrist.

Sadly, I bet there are more than a few that believe this...

Silver-tongued serpent. :cooldevil

[JoeChalupa]

I would have thought it was "Chalupa" that would have drawn more ridicule....

How does one pronounce "whottt"? :p:

[whottt]

That's terrible logic. With today's "gotcha" investigative journalism, someone would've found out that his given middle name at birth was Hussein, and they would've used that to exploit him even further.

Oh I don't fault him for having that name...he didn't give himself the name. But I do fault him for keeping it.





This guy plays on the fact that he is "genuine", but he looks like nothing more than a political animal if he hides the fact that his middle name is Hussein, presumably for political purposes.


Looks to me like he isn't bothered at all by the associative aspects of his middle name...that's the message it sends to me.


And if he doesn't think people are going to judge him by it...he's stupid.

Hence my stupidity point.




Something tells me, people like you wouldn't have voted for Obama even if his middle name was James, so I don't guess it matters too much that his actual middle name is a known fact.


What do you mean, people like me?

Would you explain yourself?


I get the feeling I am about to get a big ole helping of generalized bigotry...so by all means continue...

People
Like
Me


What about people like me?

[whottt]

IF I wasn't white you guys wouldn't me calling me a racist...ahh irony.

[smeagol]

People named Adolf should change their names.

[whottt]

Racism has no political party lines. Never has and never will.


Except for that whole silver war thing...

[whottt]

People named Adolf should change their names.


If they want to be President they should...

[smeagol]

People named Adolf should change their names.
Or move to Argentina . . .

[smeagol]

If they want to be President they should...

That speaks poorly of the American people.

I don't agree with you on this one.

[whottt]

I hope someday to be as open minded as all you high minded intellects that don't judge people harshly for their beliefs or throw labels around at the drop of hat.

Open mindedness
Tolerance


Damn you guys are a fine example enlightenment.


If someone one won't vote for Obama because of his middle name...they must be a racist.


Brilliant...


I guess if someone has a cauldron in their home, they must be a witch too.

[whottt]

Do ya'll also think deeply religious people are of lesser intelligence?

Er excuse me...I mean deeply religious white people.


C'mon..telll the truth now, you intellectuals you.

[whottt]

That speaks poorly of the American people.

LOL

As if you need reasons to jump to that judgement...





I don't agree with you on this one.


That's because you're a commie...

[smeagol]

If someone one won't vote for Obama because of his middle name...they must be a racist.

Nah . . . I would say they are ignorant.

[ChumpDumper]

When should Obama have changed his name?

[whottt]

You know...if I see a guy holding a knife hitchhiking...

I'm not going to give him a ride. I don't care if he's killed anyone or not...

Well I might let him hop in the back of the pickup truck...but probably not.


I guess that means I am bigoted against people that openly hold knives in their hands.

[whottt]

When should Obama have changed his name?


As soon as he realized that one of our arch enemies shared it...


And he shouldn't have tried to hide it...he should have just said, since I share a name with a mass murderer who the US has more or less been at war with for 20 years...I changed my name out of solidarity with the American people.


I'd say...that's badass. That means he doesn't like the association...




Like I said...I can't fault him for having the name...he didn't give himself the name, and it wasn't given to him at a time when the name had the meaning it has now...but now it does, and either he's too stupid to realize that, or else he doesn't care...


Either way..it reeks of pride over common sense...and I'm not voting for a moron.

[Taco]

IF YOU SMEEEEEELLLLLLLLLL WHAT BARACK IS COOKING!!!!

DOESN'T Barack Obama SOUND LIKE DWAYNE "THE ROCK" JOHNSON

http://bp0.blogger.com/_X3itOVlDHN4/Rvb2ITub3UI/AAAAAAAAAxc/IWPhcvmpN50/s320/the+rock+cara.jpg http://whoisbarackobama.name/who-is-barack-obama.jpg

[whottt]

I'd vote for the Rock...

[ChumpDumper]

We were at war with Saddam for 20 years?

Did we hate the ruling family of Jordan back then too?

[whottt]

Or move to Argentina . . .


Sorry...I'm not voting any Argies into the whitehouse...you guys will have us on the verge of Civil War in about 6 months.

Plus, even your righties are lefties.

[ChumpDumper]

he should have just said, since I share a name with a mass murderer


http://nazret.com/blog/media/blogs/new/john_mccain.jpg http://www.sequart.com/members/graphics/18/JohnWayneGacy.jpg

Even worse -- their first names are the same.

I'm not voting for a moron who would let this kind of association with his name stand.

[AFBlue]

And if he doesn't think people are going to judge him by it...he's stupid.

Hence my stupidity point.


Either he comes off looking stupid for not changing his name, or looking like he has something to hide for changing it.

It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

I guarantee you it was a calculated decision though, and you have your right to judgment.




What do you mean, people like me?

Would you explain yourself?


I get the feeling I am about to get a big ole helping of generalized bigotry...so by all means continue...

People
Like
Me


What about people like me?

No racist claims here.

"People like you" was meant to generalize your political viewpoints...namely right-wing conservatives.

And my point was that "people like you" wouldn't vote for him anyways, but you're using Hussein as a discriminator because it's convenient.

Unless...you really wouldn't vote for someone who shared your political views because of their middle name.

Are you saying that if George Bush's middle name was "Adolf" you really wouldn't vote for him?

[whottt]

We were at war with Saddam for 20 years?

Whatever...10 years.





Did we hate the ruling family of Jordan back then too?


Don't know and don't care...but if any of them are named Hussein I wouldn't vote for them either.

[ChumpDumper]

You are completely allowed to have stupid, moronic, idiotic, ignorant, bigoted, xenophobic, intolerant, fear-based reasons for not voting for Obama or anyone. :tu

[AFBlue]

If someone one won't vote for Obama because of his middle name...they must be a racist.

Nah . . . I would say they are ignorant.

:tu

[whottt]

Either he comes off looking stupid for not changing his name, or looking like he has something to hide for changing it.

It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.


Not really...why not change it and then advertise the fact that he changed it...








No racist claims here.

"People like you" was meant to generalize your political viewpoints...namely right-wing conservatives.

Ahh...so by people like you, you meant white christians...got ya.







And my point was that "people like you" wouldn't vote for him anyways, but you're using Hussein as a discriminator because it's convenient.

No, I genuinely don't like that name because Saddam shared it. Nothing convenient about it.

I'd have to know him personally for that bias to change.





Unless...you really wouldn't vote for someone who shared your political views because of their middle name.



Are you saying that if George Bush's middle name was "Adolf" you really wouldn't vote for him?




Right...so if someone named Bush decides to run for President...all these guys in this thread aren't going to judge him by his name...


Funny.

[AFBlue]

You know...if I see a guy holding a knife hitchhiking...

I'm not going to give him a ride. I don't care if he's killed anyone or not...

Well I might let him hop in the back of the pickup truck...but probably not.


I guess that means I am bigoted against people that openly hold knives in their hands.

Another terrible analogy...

Are you associating a hitchhiker carrying around a knife with a guy who happens to have the middle name Hussein? How does that even correlate?

[whottt]

You are completely allowed to have stupid, moronic, idiotic, ignorant, bigoted, xenophobic, intolerant, fear-based reasons for not voting for Obama or anyone. :tu

Oh I already knew that...and thanks.


And by the way...after this dialogue I will no longer vote for anyone named Chump who runs for President.


Way to go...smartass.

[101A]

For the record "Hussein" was Mohammed's grand-son - not just Saddam's last name.

I think is says quite a lot about this country's GENERAL lack of racism/bias that a black man, with that name is right now, I would say, the odds on favorite to be president in 10 months.

If he does, what does that do to the traditional black leadership establishment? Will they still be taken seriously?

[101A]

Are you associating a hitchhiker carrying around a knife with a guy who happens to have the middle name Hussein? I'm pretty sure he made that clear.

[101A]

Oh I already knew that...and thanks.


And by the way...after this dialogue I will no longer vote for anyone named Chump who runs for President.


Way to go...smartass.

Damn Whott is in rare form.

I have had a pretty crappy day, and he has made me lol several time in this thread.

Thanks.

[ChumpDumper]

Obama is an anti-American, militant-black, Nation of Islam, trained-in-a-madrassa secret-Muslim Manchurian candidate who conspires with terrorists to destroy America, who will institute Sharia law when elected, and who also is a Bolshevik, and is related to Saddam Hussein and is therefore bitter about his being deposed. In addition, Obama hates Israel and will aid the Palestinians in destroying it. He also will institute an American Holocaust against the Jews. He meets monthly with Osama bin Laden to discuss their plot to destroy America. The entire Democratic Party is on board because they are bitter that the Soviet Union lost, and they also hate all Christians and want to see them all martyred and their children given as sex slaves to gay pedophiles. Finally, Obama probably is the biblically-prophesied Antichrist.And he's a knife-wielding hitchhiker.

[AFBlue]

Not really...why not change it and then advertise the fact that he changed it...


Again...why change it if he's not hiding anything? I don't think any traditionally democrat voters are going to be scared off because of some guy''s middle name. Nor do I think it will work for moderate independents.



Ahh...so by people like you, you meant white christians...got ya.

Nope, because there are probably some White Christians that will vote for Barack Obama and there are probably some White Christians that won't vote for him....but not because his middle name is Hussein.

I'm saying the people who put any weight to his middle name being Hussein wouldn't have cast their vote for him in the first place.



Right...so if someone named Bush decides to run for President...all these guys in this thread aren't going to judge him by his name...

I'm sorry, did you not answer my question? Would you or would you not vote for Bush if his middle name was Adolf? It would help me understand where you truly stand on this issue.



Funny.

Sad, really.

[whottt]

http://nazret.com/blog/media/blogs/new/john_mccain.jpg http://www.sequart.com/members/graphics/18/JohnWayneGacy.jpg

Even worse -- their first names are the same.

I'm not voting for a moron who would let this kind of association with his name stand.



Uh...no buddy.


This dude:

http://blogs.cisco.com/gov/john%20wayne.jpg


Trumps any and all other Johns.


If Obama changed his middle name to John Wayne...I'd vote for him :tu



Now if he changed his middle name to Gacy...I probably wouldn't.

[whottt]

I'm sorry, did you not answer my question? Would you or would you not vote for Bush if his middle name was Adolf? It would help me understand where you truly stand on this isssue.


Hell...I didn't want to vote for him because his name was Bush...at the same time, Bush > Traitor so yeah I had too...

I might vote for someone named Adolph if they were running against Kerry...





Sad, really.


No it's really actually pretty funny. It really is.

[ChumpDumper]

Nope any murderer trumps any other good guy.

You made the rules.

[whottt]

What's funny is you guys probably don't really think it would make a difference if Obama had changed his middle name to John Wayne...from Hussein.

I'd vote for him...

In fact if he does it between now and election day he's got my vote and I'll volunteer to help his campaign :tu

[whottt]

Nope any murderer trumps any other good guy.

You made the rules.



Link?

[AFBlue]

Hell...I didn't want to vote for him because his name was Bush...at the same time, Bush > Traitor so yeah I had too...

I might vote for someone named Adolph if they were running against Kerry....

So what you're saying after all your railing against Obama for not changing his name, is that even you wouldn't vote/not vote for someone specifically because of their name....

Nice.

[AFBlue]

No it's really actually pretty funny. It really is.

Your line of argument?

Yeah, it's comedy gold.

[whottt]

So what you're saying after all your railing against Obama for not changing his name, is that even you wouldn't vote/not vote for someone specifically because of their name....

Nice.

So are you now saying I'm not a racist? :fu

[whottt]

By the way Tony...I never said I wouldn't vote for someone named Bush, it's not on my list now is it..but it is a negative, just not as much of one as being a traitor.


I also never said I wouldn't vote for any one that has a name most closely associated with a Mass Murderer or enemy of the USA...but that was the rule implied in my listing of names. Or names I just don't like.

So Chump needs glasses because obviously read more into my rules than I put into them at that time.


I like John Wayne...so therfore I would vote for someone that has that name...unless I knew for certain they were a serial killer, and then I wouldn't.

[AFBlue]

So are you now saying I'm not a racist? :fu

If you look back, I never called you a racist...just ignorant. Well to be fair, I stole the "ignorant" thing from smeagol.

But yeah, after you've reversed course or in the very least re-clarified your position as one that will actually take circumstances into account and will not categorically rule out anyone with a dictator's surname...I'm happy to take it back.

I'm happy, because your argument is nullified.

[xrayzebra]

Way to go Whott. You got all the rabble stirred up and in
full voice. Got to love it.

Really proves the point of dimm-o-craps. Only they can be
bigots.

[ChumpDumper]

So Chump needs glasses because obviously read more into my rules than I put into them at that time. I have glasses, and I can see that your criteria for choosing the President of the United States are really quite stupid.

You wouldn't vote for Obama even if he would do exactly every thing you would want a president to do because he did not change his middle name out of fear when he was president of the Harvard Law Review.

Again, you are completely free to be this stupid. :tu

[Extra Stout]

Really, it shows terrible judgment for Obama to keep the middle name 'Hussein,' knowing the negative connotations. How could somebody with such bad judgment become President? He should have changed his middle name to John Wayne. Barack John Wayne Obama.

But also, it shows terrible judgment for Obama to keep the last name 'Obama,' which is so close to Osama, knowing the negative connotations. How could somebody with such bad judgment become President? He should have changed his last name to something badass, like Eastwood. Barack John Wayne Eastwood.

But also, it shows terrible judgment for Obama to keep the first name 'Barack,' which rhymes with Iraq and sounds foreign, knowing the negative connotations. How could somebody with such bad judgment become President? He should have changed his first name to Barry. Barry John Wayne Eastwood.

But also, it shows terrible judgment for Barry Eastwood to be visibly black-looking, knowing the negative connotations in this country. How could somebody with such bad judgment become President? He should be bleaching.

[AFBlue]

By the way Tony...I never said I wouldn't vote for someone named Bush, it's not on my list now is it..but it is a negative, just not as much of one as being a traitor.


I also never said I wouldn't vote for any one that has a name most closely associated with a Mass Murderer or enemy of the USA...but that was the rule implied in my listing of names. Or names I just don't like.

So Chump needs glasses because obviously read more into my rules than I put into them at that time.


I like John Wayne...so therfore I would vote for someone that has that name...unless I knew for certain they were a serial killer, and then I wouldn't.

And what I've been saying all along, is that people I formerly associated with you, but now do not because you have re-clarified your position, would not vote for a liberal democrat in the first place...regardless of his name.

[whottt]

I have glasses, and I can see that your criteria for choosing the President of the United States are really quite stupid.

In your opinion...




You wouldn't vote for Obama even if he would do exactly every thing you would want a president to do because he did not change his middle name out of fear when he was president of the Harvard Law Review.


Right...because if he's too stupid to realize he needs to change his name...he's too stupid to be President.


On top of that...words are words and are not a true test of a man's character...


But someone who changed their middle name from Hussein to John Wayne?

Now that takes fucking character...plus he shares my sense of humor.


I consider those important qualities in a President.





Again, you are completely free to be this stupid. :tu


So tell me Chump...if Jeb Bush jumps to the Democratic Party and says everything you want to hear...

Are you going to vote for him?

[Ignignokt]

twhott got owned!

[DarkReign]

I cant, for a moment, believe Whott is anywhere near serious with his schtick in this thread. Hes baiting, and some are falling for it and actually trying to reason with him.

Whether you agreed with him or not in the past, do you think a person who claims himself to be smarter than any other person the world over would base his vote solely on someone's name?

If so, he lost the title. If not, hes trolling. Either way, the delusion continues.

[Ignignokt]

I cant, for a moment, believe Whott is anywhere near serious with his schtick in this thread. Hes baiting, and some are falling for it and actually trying to reason with him.

Whether you agreed with him or not in the past, do you think a person who claims himself to be smarter than any other person the world over would base his vote solely on someone's name?

If so, he lost the title. If not, hes trolling. Either way, the delusion continues.

whott watches wrestling. It's no bait.

[whottt]

And what I've been saying all along, is that people I formerly associated with you, but now do not because you have re-clarified your position, would not vote for a liberal democrat in the first place...regardless of his name.


That's good because I voted Clinton, Clinton, Gore...it took the Democrats getting reallly really stupid to aleinate me into my recent voting preferences.

[Ignignokt]

Whott would vote for Hacksaw Jim Duggan over Barrack Hussein Obama.

[whottt]

whott watches wrestling. It's no bait.



Fuck you...

Dwayne Johnson = Wrestler of African American and Samona decent...


Be careful who's culture you are ridiculing...racist.

[clambake]

would anyone vote for someone nicknamed "songbird"?

[whottt]

Whott would vote for Hacksaw Jim Duggan over Barrack Hussein Obama.


Hacksaw is a man of integrity and would never want to be a part of the filth that is politics in this country...so that's not a decision I'd ever have to make. However if I did...you are right.


At least he's smart enough to respect the flag...

http://www.hilli.at/Blog/pics/071213_duggan.jpg


Unlike some dumbasses...

http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/media/2007/11/harkin_steak_fry_08.jpg



Fuckin a buddy.




Reconsidering it...even if Obama changed his middle name to John Wayne I wouldn't vote for him, that flag picture pisses me off..

Again...I point to the pride over common sense thing.



...if he doesn't respect the flag of this country...he can go fuck himself....

[ChumpDumper]

In your opinion...




Right...because if he's too stupid to realize he needs to change his name...he's too stupid to be President.


On top of that...words are words and are not a true test of a man's character...


But someone who changed their middle name from Hussein to John Wayne?

Now that takes fucking character...plus he shares my sense of humor.


I consider those important qualities in a President. So you want the President to be an idiot. That explains a lot.






So tell me Chump...if Jeb Bush jumps to the Democratic Party and says everything you want to hear...

Are you going to vote for him?Why do we have to play pretend here?

My vote does not hinge on the middle name of any of the candidate in this election.

Yours does.

:tu

[Ignignokt]

Fuck you...

Dwayne Johnson = Wrestler of African American and Samona decent...


Be careful who's culture you are ridiculing...racist.


Nah.. wrestling sucks. Because it's not even real. Racism has nothing to do with it.

[whottt]

Meanwhile...


Someone could call themselves Usama Adolph Hussein Stalin Lenin Satan be born a santanist, not salute the flag.. and you fucking idiots would vote for him just because he was telling you what you wanted to hear and to prove how enlighened you are to not judge people by their names...


And his skin color and religion would be the deciding factors for you...


And ya'll think I'm the stupid one. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

A single middle name has determined my vote for President of the United States.

[whottt]

Nah.. wrestling sucks. Because it's not even real. Racism has nothing to do with it.

Wrestling isn't real?


Tell that to Owen Hart you fucking asshole.

[Ignignokt]

Movies isn't real?


Tell that to Brandon Lee you fucking asshole.

[xrayzebra]

Damn we could make who situation comedy out of this thread.

[whottt]

So you want the President to be an idiot. That explains a lot.

No I want the President to not be an idiot...that's what I refuse to vote for one that isn't smart enough to change his name.






Why do we have to play pretend here?


It's not pretend...it's just not your turn to make that decision...you made it in the last election.




My vote does not hinge on the middle name of any of the candidate in this election.

Yours does.

:tu

Yes....your enlightened vote hinges on things like his platform...right, Mr. we can't pull out of Iraq.

His skin color isn't a bonus for you at all now is it...


Ahh integrity.

[Ignignokt]

Whott would rather let Macho man Randy savage perform heart surgery over a Palestinian Doctor in the states, becuase he looks terraist.

[Asshole]

It's good to see you assholes can find the time to keep boosting this piece of shit thread while there are people dying by the thousands elsewhere in this country.

[clambake]

he certainly didn't choose his name, it was given. songbird, on the other hand, was earned, as his roomates would tell it.

[whottt]

Nah.. wrestling sucks. Because it's not even real. Racism has nothing to do with it.

So do movies and TV suck because they aren't real as well?



But anyway...congrats for being one of the "elite" to realize wrestling is scripted.


However seeing as how they tend to inordinately die in their 40's or younger...I don't think there's much credence to your idea that it isn't real.

[Ignignokt]

How can you say the joker is not real.


tell that to heath ledger asshole!

[rasho8]

Okay now that Whottt has gone ballistic and yelled at everyone (Usama Adolph Hussein Stalin Lenin Satan :lol :lol :lol )

[whottt]

PS: I wouldn't vote for someone named Igknigokt either...I don't like that name.

Sounds like a closeted fag...

[Ignignokt]

So do movies and TV suck because they aren't real as well?



But anyway...congrats for being one of the "elite" to realize wrestling is scripted.


However seeing as how they tend to inordinately die in their 40's or younger...I don't think there's much credence to your idea that it isn't real.


just because whott's girlfreinds orgasms aren't real doesn't mean she doesn't fake a quiver and moan.

[whottt]

he certainly didn't choose his name, it was given. .


But he did choose to keep it....which means

He's too stupid to realize it hurts his chances of getting elected. And it does..and if you don't think it does, you are the stupid one, as is he for not realizing it.

[Ignignokt]

PS: I wouldn't vote for someone named Igknigokt either...I don't like that name.

Sounds like a closeted fag... But i'd vote for Larry Craig.

Now on to fake wrestling with oiled up greasy men in thongs and spandex.

[Ignignokt]

But he did choose to keep it....which means

He's too stupid to realize it hurts his chances of getting elected. And it does..and if you don't think it does, you are the stupid one, as is he for not realizing it.


how bout you choose to ignore his middle name.

[whottt]

Whott would rather let Macho man Randy savage perform heart surgery over a Palestinian Doctor in the states, becuase he looks terraist.


Link?

And BTW, I don't like Randy Savage...I wouldn't vote for him for President...or heart surgeon.

[Ignignokt]

Link?

And BTW, I don't like Randy Savage...I wouldn't vote for him for President...or heart surgeon.


well that removes possible candidates for millions of whottards to elect.

[whottt]

how bout you choose to ignore his middle name.

Pretend it isn't there? Well that does seem to be the requirement for being a good Democrat these days...but since I'm not one anymore...I think I'll choose not to ignore.

[Ignignokt]

Pretend it isn't there? Well that does seem to be the requirement for being a good Democrat these days...but since I'm not one anymore...I think I'll choose not to ignore.


You should try it. With the way you seem to ignore logic and common sense, it should be second nature to you by now.

[whottt]

You should try it. With the way you seem to ignore logic and common sense, it should be second nature to you by now.


Common sense dictates that having a middle name most closely associated with somone we have fought two wars with, would be a detriment to being elected President of that country...


Failing to realize it WILL be a negative...is stupid.


Pretending that it isn't stupid...is even stupider.



Now I'm sure you've worked yourself up into a frenzy for some male on male porn so why don't you just run along and not blame your inability to come to terms with what you are on me and my Presidential voting criteria.

[clambake]

what percentage of voters will follow your logic?

[whottt]

what percentage of voters will follow your logic?


I don't know...but you are naive if you don't think it's a enough to swing a Presidency.

[clambake]

I don't know...but you are naive if you don't think it's a enough to swing a Presidency.
if it's enough to swing it, then this place deserves the weakest republican or the tyrannical woman.

[whottt]

if it's enough to swing it, then this place deserves the weakest republican or the tyrannical woman.


And the end of the USA as we know it that comes with them? That'll sure teach us a lesson...

[whottt]

Just be sure to show up in this thread when Obama fails to get elected...as you are asking yourselves why this great candidate failed to get elected and concluding that it was due to the stupidity of the American voting public...


Just remember the true definion of stupidity is ignoring the obvious...and if you think the stupid people are the ones winning the elections and controlling the country...what does that say about you?


I know...bitch about it some more, tell them how stupid they are, stick it on a bumper sticker, have a rally about it...because all that works so well.

[clambake]

are you saying he's beaten by the woman or eventually the man?

[FromWayDowntown]

whottt has completely changed my mind. I'm no longer interested in voting for that imbecile who won't change his middle name.

[Guru of Nothing]

Check your PMs Whottt. Let's make a deal.

[whottt]

Ok Guru...I sent you a PM

I need to go over some details with you.

[whottt]

Oh and too all the smartassses criticizing my voting preferences...if you guys were smart you wouldn't be out of power now would you...smart people manipulate the stupid...not alienate them. And that's all you guys have been managing to do for 8 years now...

[Holt's Cat]

So Obama will not be elected because of his middle name?

Genius.

[possessed]

IF YOU SMEEEEEELLLLLLLLLL WHAT BARACK IS COOKING!!!!

DOESN'T Barack Obama SOUND LIKE DWAYNE "THE ROCK" JOHNSON

http://bp0.blogger.com/_X3itOVlDHN4/Rvb2ITub3UI/AAAAAAAAAxc/IWPhcvmpN50/s320/the+rock+cara.jpg http://whoisbarackobama.name/who-is-barack-obama.jpg
Ha!

That's funny, because the wife and I have talked about this a number of times.

I've used the "If you smell what Barack is cooking" line several times, along with "Finally... Barack is back in (insert city)" whenever there is a debate held.

I think Barack is about to drag Hillary down "Know your role" boulevard and check her "candy ass into the Smackdown Hotel".

[spurster]

whottt wouldn't have voted for George Washington.

[smeagol]

If your second name is Hugo, you cannot become the US president.

[Taco]

Ha!

That's funny, because the wife and I have talked about this a number of times.

I've used the "If you smell what Barack is cooking" line several times, along with "Finally... Barack is back in (insert city)" whenever there is a debate held.

I think Barack is about to drag Hillary down "Know your role" boulevard and check her "candy ass into the Smackdown Hotel".

:lol

[JoeChalupa]

IF I wasn't white you guys wouldn't me calling me a racist...ahh irony.

I don't think you are a racist but not voting for someone because of their name? That just doesn't make any sense to make and if he did change his name there would be those who would say he was ashamed and blah, blah, blah. He is who he is and no name is going to change that.

I say we :smokin at the next GTG and laugh about all this BS anyhow.

[AFBlue]

I say we :smokin at the next GTG and laugh about all this BS anyhow.

JC, the "uniter"....you've clearly been smellin' what the Barack's been cookin!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/07/31/PH2007073101347.jpg

[JoeChalupa]

We are the United States of America!!!! :smokin

[101A]

It will be comedy if we find that the emperer has no clothes at the EXACT same instant he becomes the nominee. I may have to start buying into the "Right Wing Conspiracy" mantra.



Ask Tough Questions? Yes, They Can!
By Dana Milbank
Tuesday, March 4, 2008; A02


SAN ANTONIO (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/San+Antonio?tid=informline) It took many months and the mockery of "Saturday Night Live (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Saturday+Night+Live?tid=informline)" to make it happen, but the lumbering beast that is the press corps finally roused itself from its slumber Monday and greeted Barack Obama (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Barack+Obama?tid=informline) with a menacing growl.

The day before primaries in Ohio (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Ohio?tid=informline) and Texas (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Texas?tid=informline) that could effectively seal the Democratic presidential nomination for him, a smiling Obama strode out to a news conference at a veterans facility here. But the grin was quickly replaced by the surprised look of a man bitten by his own dog.

Reporters from the Associated Press (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/The+Associated+Press?tid=informline) and Reuters (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Reuters+Group+plc?tid=informline) went after him for his false denial that a campaign aide had held a secret meeting with Canadian officials over Obama's trade policy. A trio of Chicago (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Chicago?tid=informline) reporters pummeled him with questions about the corruption trial this week of a friend and supporter. The New York Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/NYP+Holdings+Inc.?tid=informline) piled on with a question about him losing the Jewish vote.

Obama responded with the classic phrases of a politician in trouble. "That was the information that I had at the time. . . . Those charges are completely unrelated to me. . . . I have said that that was a mistake. . . . The fact pattern remains unchanged."

When those failed, Obama tried another approach. "We're running late," the candidate said, and then he disappeared behind a curtain.

Before he beat his hasty retreat, however, Obama found time to assign blame for the tough questions suddenly coming his way. "The Clinton campaign has been true to its word in employing a 'kitchen sink' strategy," he protested. "There are, what, three or four things a day?"

Spoken like a man who had just been hit on the head with a heavy piece of porcelain.

Obama may be the front-runner in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, but to a large extent Hillary Clinton (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Hillary+Clinton?tid=informline) is setting the terms of the debate in the final days before Tuesday's crucial primaries. If Clinton doesn't win both states, even her closest advisers have said she'll face pressure to pull out of the race -- and yet, for the first time in months, she seems to have put Obama on the defensive.

First came her ringing-phone ad last week: "It's 3 a.m., and your children are safely asleep. Who do you want answering the phone?" Then the Clinton campaign trumpeted the acknowledgment that a top Obama aide had discussed NAFTA (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/NAFTA?tid=informline) with a Canadian official -- contradicting adamant denials by Obama and his underlings. Add to that the opening of the trial in Chicago for Obama pal Tony Rezko (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Tony+Rezko?tid=informline), and Obama had lost any hope of controlling the theme of the day.

Even the much-mocked Clinton assertion that she offers "solutions" instead of Obama's "speeches" appears to have spooked him into a change in tactics. The candidate has largely disarmed himself of the mass rallies that have been the high points of his campaign in favor of small and sober town hall forums.

And so, Obama found himself in San Antonio on Monday, presenting a small group of veterans with a collection of small-bore policies that sounded downright Clintonian. "I led a bipartisan effort to improve outpatient facilities. . . . I passed legislation to get family members health care while they're caring for injured troops. . . . I've introduced legislation to make sure each service member receives electronic copies of their medical and service records upon discharge."

The modest proposals were met with modest applause.

For 40 slow minutes, Obama delivered his policy prescriptions and answered questions from the veterans. "I want the budgets to come in on time!" he told one questioner. He pledged to another his support for SR 1838, a new VA facility in the Rio Grande Valley (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Rio+Grande+Valley?tid=informline). He told a third questioner about his plan for a $4,000 tuition credit. And the great orator found himself proclaiming that "it makes sense to have transferability."

Whatever. Reporters, at tables in the back of the room, answered e-mails and read newspapers. Obama, by making no news in his speech, had left them plenty of time to plot their ambush -- executed minutes later to the obvious surprise of the candidate.

"I don't have any preliminary statement," Obama said as he began his news conference, encouraging reporters to "just dive in." That was a mistake.

Tom Raum of the Associated Press led off with a question about whether an Obama aide had told Canadians not to take seriously the candidate's public rhetoric critical of the NAFTA trade agreement. "Let me, let me, let me, let me just be absolutely clear what happened," Obama answered, explaining that the meeting was a "courtesy" and involved no "winks and nods."

Then an agitator -- columnist Carol Marin with the Chicago Sun-Times (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Chicago+Sun-Times?tid=informline) -- broke in. Marin, a visitor to the Obama entourage who accused the regulars of being too "quiet," accused the candidate of concealing details about fundraisers Rezko had for him and a real estate transaction between the two.

"I don't think it's fair to suggest somehow that we've been trying to hide the ball on this," Obama answered. But this only provoked a noisy back-and-forth between Marin, Sun-Times colleague Lynn Sweet and Michael Flannery from Chicago's CBS (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/CBS+Corporation?tid=informline) affiliate. "How many fundraisers? . . . Who was there? . . . Disclosure of the closing documents?"

Obama, while repeating his formulation that it was "a boneheaded move" to do business with Rezko, tried to shut down the requests for more information. "These requests, I think, could just go on forever," he said. "At some point, what we need to try to do is respond to what's pertinent."

Reporters, however, had a different idea of what was pertinent, and the questions about Rezko, NAFTA and other unpleasant subjects continued to come. An aide called out "last question," and Obama made his move for the exit -- only for reporters to shout after him in protest. "C'mon, guys," he pleaded. "I just answered, like, eight questions."

The questioning, however, has only just begun.

[JoeChalupa]

That damn liberal media!!!! :cuss :cuss

[whottt]

Cool Joe..and if it makes you feel any better, I'd vote for you for President. I think Jose is a cool name..as is Joe. Joseph I'm not so crazy about, as that could mean you are a communist dictator :tu

[smeagol]

Cool Joe..and if it makes you feel any better, I'd vote for you for President. I think Jose is a cool name..as is Joe. Joseph I'm not so crazy about, as that could mean you are a communist dictator :tu
Or the step father of Jesus

[whottt]

Or the step father of Jesus


Was Joseph on my list of names I would not vote for? Uh...no it wasn't. I'm just not crazy about it. Could mean you're the stepfather of Jesus....could also mean you're the stepfather of communism...or an insane Nazi doctor.


It'd definitely be a situational call...

[G-Nob]

Sounds like a dog pile to me. I guess the trick to turning the Mo in a campaign is to keep dishing out the BS in one right after the other and hope something sticks. Damn that Hilary is desperate.

[smeagol]

How about Leon?

[JoeChalupa]

Cool Joe..and if it makes you feel any better, I'd vote for you for President. I think Jose is a cool name..as is Joe. Joseph I'm not so crazy about, as that could mean you are a communist dictator :tu

:tu SI SE PUEDE!!!

[smeagol]

:tu SI SE PUEDE!!!
Si se puede, pinche mamon!

Joe, your Spanish is getting a little rusty . . . :spin

[O bumma rama]

Obamas intials are B O...... whewwwwww!!!!!!!!!! eeeegaddddd
that awful stench!

[Yonivore]

Rick Moran (http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/03/06/obama-rezko-and-media-ignorance-of-the-chicago-way/) gives readers a tour of the "Chicago Way" and starts off the education with a quote from the movie The Untouchables (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000003KDG/wwwfallbackbe-20).



Malone: You said you wanted to get Capone. Do you really wanna get him? You see what I’m saying is, what are you prepared to do?

Ness: Anything and everything in my power.

Malone: And then what are you prepared to do? If you open the can on these worms you must be prepared to go all the way because they’re not gonna give up the fight until one of you is dead.

Ness: How do you do it then?

Malone: You wanna know how you do it? Here’s how, they pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That’s the Chicago way…
Many of us familiar with Chicago politics have been wondering for months at the apparent disconnect of the media regarding Obama’s relationship to the Chicago political machine. Where did they think this guy came from?

The lack of curiosity by the press about Obama’s connections to one of the most corrupt city governments in the United States should be one of the big media stories of this campaign. While it is true that Obama’s connections to the Machine are not as extensive as many other politicians, I’ve got news for you Obama apologists; try running for any office in Chicago – local, state, or federal – and see how far you get without support from the regular Democrats.
Moran's article is a tour de force. There's just one thing I don't get. The guys down at the New York Times can read the Chicago Tribune just as well as anyone else. New York may be big, but Chicago isn't that small a ville. So why would political events roiling that town give the national news a miss? What else is going on? What explains the curious media blindness towards Chicago, Rezko and -- coming in from left field -- Auchi? The blindness isn't caused by illiteracy, it's not even caused by bias.

The blinders were probably caused by the Audacity of Hope. The inability to look closely at Obama was rooted in what they feared to see. It's not as if Obama's media admirers didn't know about the Chicago Way. They just didn't want to think about it; that would break their own spell.

The more bankrupt an ideology, the more more manic-depressive it is. The more manic-depressive it needs to be. In Orwell's 1984 the Two Minutes' Hate regularly alternated with ecstatic news bulletins about mythical victories on the Eurasian Front. True believers oscillated from a state of outrage to ecstasy with the permission of the Party because both were safe states. It was the quiet that was haunted. It was the moment of calm realization that the Party feared. Bankrupt ideologies require prodigies and miracles to keep its world spinning on its axis. As long as it spins you can't look around. And in the 21st century, which has been shorn of miracles, the wows are supplied by appearance, rhetoric, youth and glitz. Liberalism needed Obama as much as he needed them. He gave them dreams and they would give him power.

To truly accept tha the existence of the "Chicago Way" is to simultaneously concede the necessity of the painstaking, often morally ambiguous ways needed to deal with it. The "Chicago Way" is the domestic expression of the International Way. Not the fairy-tale United Nations paradise imagined by some, but as it really is: a sad place thronged with tyrants, psychopaths and dangerous people, the Capones, Rezkos and Daleys of the world stage.

People who need to believe Barack Obama can solve the world crisis by calling a Muslim summit must of necessity need to forget you can't clear corruption from Chicago by meeting with the aldermen of that great city. To believe in the Audacity of Hope you need to dis-remember the Chicago Way. Especially if you plan on voting for the man representing Hope who came from there.

[Holt's Cat]

So was Truman a bad president or not?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Cool Joe..and if it makes you feel any better, I'd vote for you for President. I think Jose is a cool name..as is Joe. Joseph I'm not so crazy about, as that could mean you are a communist dictator :tu


All three names mean "Servant of God" therefore, as a firm supporter of the neocon faith, you should like all three.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

So was Truman a bad president or not?

The Truman Doctrine was a decent attempt at foreign policy IMO. Back then we had no comforting assessment of soviet power.

[Holt's Cat]

Well, Truman was a product of the Kansas City Democratic "machine" and he turned out alright.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Holt's Snatch.

[Nbadan]

So was Truman a bad president or not?


Truman = McCain with brains

[Holt's Cat]

Cant_Be_Jaded

[Taco]

IF YOU SMEEEEEELLLLLLLLLL WHAT BARACK IS COOKING!!!!

DOESN'T Barack Obama SOUND LIKE DWAYNE "THE ROCK" JOHNSON

http://bp0.blogger.com/_X3itOVlDHN4/Rvb2ITub3UI/AAAAAAAAAxc/IWPhcvmpN50/s320/the+rock+cara.jpg http://whoisbarackobama.name/who-is-barack-obama.jpg

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/articles/6871934/6917836

:fishing

[RandomGuy]

whottt wouldn't have voted for George Washington.

Why would anybody vote for a pothead? The guy had acres and acres of cannibis fields...:wow

[JoeChalupa]

Sequ is an idiot.

[Ignignokt]

Holt's Snatch.


:lmao:lmao:rollin:rollin:lmao:lmao:rollin:rollin:r ollin:lol:lol:lol

[whottt]

bump

[whottt]

Been there done that stout...



Plus...I guess we've answered the question of whether or not Extra Stout partakes of the weed like many New Testament Jews did...with that kind of short term memory loss, the answer has got to be yes.

[JoeChalupa]

Obama is sucking the life right out of the Palin/McCain campaign.

[Findog]

Leave it to sequ to bring us insightful political analysis. Would love to hear his thoughts on Sarah Palin.

[General Virtue]

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