I'm wondering.

[E20]

I'm a little curious, NbaDan and Boutons get a lot of heat on here for being a little too left/delusional.

If you met them in real life what would you say/do to them?

90% chance this thread gets 0 views/0 replies, but I'm willing to make that bet.

[Nbadan]

....I've had a few people want to buy me a beer...

[Wild Cobra]

LOL...

At least one view and one reply.

In a less anonymous environment, I hold my tongue more than in these forum settings. Nobody really knows who I am here. Still, when in the right mood, I say my mind just as direct and tactful (or lack of!)

Just a few days ago, I went off on someone of far less moral values than myself. He implied that I steal from a business. It wasn't stealing in his mind though. Technically, it would be theft of service, which can be punishable by law. I was already a bit torqued, and I ripped into him whereas I would have otherwise remained silent of my views of the ass. I cannot remember my exact words, but I remember saying something like "it's people like you why America is so fucked up." Before that I said something like "I don't like to associate with people like you with no ethics." I think he was close to taking a swing at me as other things were said too. He demanded I apologize and I said "No. I'll just leave it at that," then I walked away.

I have this way of pissing people off. But I guess nobody noticed... Right? LOL...

Now what I get pissed of about both Dan and Boutons about is the relentless copy and paste they do at times. An article with little or no remarks of their own, and very often, the stupidest of articles that are nothing but propaganda.

[ChumpDumper]

I would give them a tinfoil Stetson and a Thorazine Big Gulp respectively.

[Nbadan]

Me thinks someone needs to look up propaganda....where's Mr. Dictionary?...

[Nbadan]

...CD needs some gin to go with that dry wit.....

[Wild Cobra]

Me thinks someone needs to look up propaganda....where's Mr. Dictionary?...
When I use the word, it is as definition #1, as bolded:


Propaganda n.

1) Information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.

2) The deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.

3) The particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.

[Wild Cobra]

I would give them a tinfoil Stetson and a Thorazine Big Gulp respectively.
Make the stenson out of hastalloy, and change the thorazine to THC and we have a deal.

[Nbadan]

rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.

So by your own definition the Bush administration has been one big propaganda?

[Wild Cobra]

So by your own definition the Bush administration has been one big propaganda?
First of all, propaganda is a tool of war, and I'm sure we used it. However, for our national release of information, I agree that facts were used rather than just ideas or rumors, therefore I don't classify it as propaganda. There are more accurate words to describe what people call president Bush's propaganda like "fact," "reality," "account," "statement," "description," and "information."

I don't consider stating the truth as being propaganda. I know people like to say the president Bush lied, but he didn't. Not in any important ways that people like to say he did. I'm sure he has lied about some things, but I don't know what.

By the way, three of the synonyms offered by Word are "misinformation," "party line," and "half truths."

I can understand people wanting to call things propaganda that are better described with other words. I don't mind. It just shows me their hateful bias.

[Nbadan]

First of all, propaganda is a tool of war, and I'm sure we used it. However, for our national release of information, I agree that facts were used rather than just ideas or rumors, therefore I don't classify it as propaganda. There are more accurate words to describe what people call president Bush's propaganda like "fact," "reality," "account," "statement," "description," and "information."

Yes, like the 'facts', 'reality", 'account', 'statement' and 'description' that the administration ignored in it's rush to war with Saddam...like the 'facts' Colin Powell used before the U.N. about mobile chem-weapons labs and Dubya used in his STU address about African yellow-cake based on documents that had already been proven as fabrications by our own Defense dept and the Italians...

[Wild Cobra]

Yes, like the 'facts', 'reality", 'account', 'statement' and 'description' that the administration ignored in it's rush to war with Saddam...like the 'facts' Colin Powell used before the U.N. about mobile chem-weapons labs and Dubya used in his STU address about African yellow-cake based on documents that had already been proven as fabrications by our own Defense dept and the Italians...
Now we are going into a derailing of a thread again.

I have answered those charges in the past. The only evidence yo have they were wrong is that we didn't find them. That does not make it a fact they didn't exist. Besides, that is what the intelligence assesment was at the time, and it is well known the degree of certainty by those in such discussions as well.

The fact that you refuse to acknowledge the probabilities and continue your ideology against president Bush show you are a true propagandist.


Propagandist, n.

1) A person involved in producing or spreading propaganda.

2) A member or agent of propaganda.

[Wild Cobra]

Soimething else to chew on Dan:


Here's another point that the Bush-lied misinformation campaign has forgotten. While war critics point to Bush's inclusion of this sentence -- "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa" -- in his 2003 State of the Union Address as proof that Bush misled the country into war, Bush uttered those words three months after Congress voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq.

Part of this article:


Bush Lied is the Big Lie (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/03/bush_lied_is_the_big_lie.html) By Debra Saunders March 22, 2007

[fyatuk]

Well, personally, if I knew it was Boutons, I'd ignore him and walk away. Dude is just a drone for leftist lines.

Dan at least seems to have a mind, and I don't mind disagreeing with people as long as they actually think.

[101A]

I'm a little curious, NbaDan and Boutons get a lot of heat on here for being a little too left/delusional.

If you met them in real life what would you say/do to them?
Why would I be in either of their mother's basements?

[Ignignokt]

id put my foreskin on boutons eyelid.

[smeagol]

I'd ask them if they are happy living in America because they don't seem to be.

[xrayzebra]

More than likely just a "good morning", "good afternoon" and
ask about their well being. What else can you do. It is still a
free country and both are free to believe what they want. It
just doesn't make it a right belief. Dan, just likes to "try and be
first" with the news. boutons, who knows what he wants he is
all over the board.

[boutons_]

the biggest delusonals around here are the fucktard zombies who still believe in dubya and his bogus Iraq war.

[xrayzebra]

^^Hey boutons, why don't you just make that statement your
signature line. It is about all you ever say anyhow.

[clambake]

When I use the word, it is as definition #1, as bolded:
like deliberately misleading?