DallasNews: Mavs mad at the refs

[jmard5]

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/02/mavs-mad-at-the-refs.html

Mavs mad at the refs
1:30 AM Fri, Feb 29, 2008
Tim MacMahon

While the rest of the nation wondered what the heck Avery was thinking, the Mavs ranted about the refereeing in their loss to the Spurs.

From Big Ed Sefko's game story:


The Mavericks were incensed by what they said was a flying elbow tossed by Bowen at Terry. It was Terry's drive with 3:44 to play in the third quarter that had put the Mavericks up, 67-57. After the play, Terry suddenly confronted Bowen and was handed a technical foul.

Owner Mark Cuban said the Mavericks will turn the play in to the NBA office today for review by league officials.

"He got elbowed," Cuban said. "Jet's not going to go after him just for his health. And Danny Crawford, of course, called a technical on Jet and then he gets another technical on Avery. When's the last time we won a game with him? What's our win-loss record?"

I'll let somebody else look up the Mavs' record in games worked by Danny Crawford. I did crank up the trusty TiVo to watch the possession that resulted in Jet's T. Didn't see Bruce Bowen make any contact with him, much less throw an elbow. I went back several possessions and didn't see Bowen, a known cheap-shot artist, do anything wrong.

The Mavs might turn the play into the league for review, but they won't use TNT's video.

[ancestron]

What's this? Mark Cuban unhappy with the officiating???

[IceColdBrewski]

http://toughsledding.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/crybaby.gif

[spursfan09]

Jason Terry should learn to act like a professional. Because he is supposed to be one. It's good to know we can get into his mind so easily.

[LEONARD]

Nothing new...just a cheapshot from Bowen that worked exactly like he hoped...

[SAGambler]

Cuban is a crybaby. Tries his damndest to buy a title and still fails.

Hey Mark, you don't trade away Harris and Diop, you might have won that game last night....No one to blame but yourself.

[my2sons]

I wonder if he is going to acompany any of the fouls that put 21 pts in dirks stats

[jmard5]

here's one comment from that blog:

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Posted by Jason @ 2:14 AM Fri, Feb 29, 2008

The Mavs had control of the game, until JET and Avery lost their composure. Who would like those two technicals and all of that momentum back? I sure would!

Memo to JET.. Bowen is paid to try to rattle you. So just shut the hell up and go to the other end of the floor. You know... the defensive end of the floor? That was where 50 yr. old Damon Stoudamire was abusing you. Maybe you should review that tape instead!!!!!!!
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:lol

[picnroll]

Terry complaining about cheapshots. :rollin

[lessthannick11]

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[Sportcamper]

Mavs have no answer for playoff tough games…The fans should be mad at Avery…No J Kidd in the final minutes? Dirk hanging out at the 3 point line being guard by Tony Parker? No inside penetration…Hail Mary shots in crunch time does not get it done…

[monosylab1k]

Terry is a dumbass. Avery is a bigger one. They're the biggest reason why the Mavs lost, not the refs.

We had all the momentum and immediately gave it all back just because Terry can't resist talking shit to Bowen.

[samikeyp]

Dirk outshot the whole Spurs team from the line and Cuban's complaining? :lol

If Jason Terry didn't have the emotional stability of a teenage girl during puberty, the Mavs could have won this game.

[thebigchill]

What a cry-baby organization. But it's worth it just to see Cuban's face the last couple of minutes. He looks like an 8 yr old about to have a tantrum. :madrun Are the pussy ponies gonna blame us for the three stooges move at the end too? That was PRICELESS. :clap

[ManuTastic]

Maybe he could forward the tape of Dirk tripping over his own giant feet and the refs whistling Udoka for the "foul."

Piss off, Cuban.

[nkdlunch]

Just when I think Dallas can't get more pathetic, they go down another level. amazing

[samikeyp]

Maybe he could forward the tape of Dirk tripping over his own giant feet and the refs whistling Udoka for the "foul."

No no...That's different! :lol :lol

[BlackSwordsMan]

TNT's camera didn't show nothing. Terrible camera work.

[Shank]

Yes, they're being pissy about it, but let's not pretend there aren't a good supply of threads and posts about this same topic any time the Spurs lose (even after last night's win). Cuban just hates Crawford.

[monosylab1k]

www.fireavery.com

[nkdlunch]

Yes, they're being pissy about it, but let's not pretend there aren't a good supply of threads and posts about this same topic any time the Spurs lose (even after last night's win). Cuban just hates Crawford.

there is a difference between fans posting crap after a loss and the owner of the team bitching to media

[spursfan09]

there is a difference between fans posting crap after a loss and the owner of the team bitching to media

Is he gonna get fined?

[CubanMustGo]

It takes some cojones to whine about the refereeing when for most of the game you get 2x the FTs on the road.

Too bad the film room is the only place where the Mavs have balls.

[blizz]

LOL, you guys are hilarious. I agree with all of it. Avery is really disappointing but I'm glad he's showing his character now. I'd never want him to coach our team in any way. We don't need people who need excuses. No matter what he really thinks, he needs to be Pop-like, and just admit to a loss and move on and stfu publicly. Dirk got the benefit of a lot of calls last night.

[picnroll]

Yes, they're being pissy about it, but let's not pretend there aren't a good supply of threads and posts about this same topic any time the Spurs lose (even after last night's win). Cuban just hates Crawford.
Differnece is you don't have the Spurs' owner, coach and players whining to the press and constantly sending tapes to the leauge office. Pick any game where Terry was guarding Parker and all the cheap shot elbows he threww to the ribs. Parker has gotten PO'd at that little prick many times for his dirty play. Just not stupid enough to get a T. Good to see the Mavs still are dumbasses and will never be mentally tough.

[samikeyp]

Yes, they're being pissy about it, but let's not pretend there aren't a good supply of threads and posts about this same topic any time the Spurs lose (even after last night's win). Cuban just hates Crawford.

No one is pretending that. I think we all know it happens just as much when the Spurs lose. The difference is that you don't usually hear anyone from the Spurs organization complaining, just the fans.

Didn't know that about Cuban, has he had issues with Crawford before?

[samikeyp]

www.fireavery.com


:lmao

[Shank]

Differnece is you don't have the Spurs' owner, coach and players whining to the press and constantly sending tapes to the leauge office. Pick any game where Terry was guarding Parker and all the cheap shot elbows he threww to the ribs. Parker hasn't gotten Po'd at that little prick many times for his dirty play. Just not stupid enough to get a T. Good to see the Mavs still are dumbasses and will never be mentally tough.

No, you don't hear them whining as much as you hear Cuban, but that's because he's made himself that visible. But I can tell you the number of tapes sent in by every team is about the same. You just don't hear about it because other owners aren't on the red carpet or blogging or doing national TV shows like he does.

And yes - he hates Crawford and Salvatore with a passion. "Dead horse head in their beds" passion.

[carina_gino20]

Maybe he could forward the tape of Dirk tripping over his own giant feet and the refs whistling Udoka for the "foul."

Piss off, Cuban.

Or when Dampier bumped Dirk and nobody gave Dirk freethrows.

[carina_gino20]

But I can tell you the number of tapes sent in by every team is about the same. You just don't hear about it because other owners aren't on the red carpet or blogging or doing national TV shows like he does.


So how many does each team send out in a season? Average? Ball park figure?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Nothing new...just a cheapshot from Bowen that worked exactly like he hoped...

Did you even watch the game? There was no elbow on the play.

[Demo Dick Marcinko]

No, you don't hear them whining as much as you hear Cuban, but that's because he's made himself that visible. But I can tell you the number of tapes sent in by every team is about the same. You just don't hear about it because other owners aren't on the red carpet or blogging or doing national TV shows like he does.

And yes - he hates Crawford and Salvatore with a passion. "Dead horse head in their beds" passion.

I'm sure you have a link for this little factoid? And the fact that the other owners aren't on the red carpet or blogging or doing national TV shows, what does that tell you about your owner? Bet if he kept his little girl mouth shut more often, karma wouldn't be such a bitch. Notice the difference when the Spurs lose, you don't see Pop, Holt or any of the players making excuses and whining to media.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

No, you don't hear them whining as much as you hear Cuban, but that's because he's made himself that visible. But I can tell you the number of tapes sent in by every team is about the same. You just don't hear about it because other owners aren't on the red carpet or blogging or doing national TV shows like he does.

And yes - he hates Crawford and Salvatore with a passion. "Dead horse head in their beds" passion.

It's about the same? And you know this how?

[monosylab1k]

Did you even watch the game? There was no elbow on the play.
It's true - TV cameras don't miss a thing.

[samikeyp]

It's true - TV cameras don't miss a thing.


Why do you care? You're a Bulls fan now. ;)

[Islymore]

i get so sick of all the bitching and moaning about fouls... from all Spur/Mav fans. the Mavs got outplayed, AJ got outcoached, and I'm gettin real sick of the tight reigns he holds over the Mavs. I wish he would relax and let them play.

[BonnerDynasty]

Just when I think Dallas can't get more pathetic, they go down another level. amazing

[degenerate_gambler]

the Mavs got outplayed, AJ got outcoached


i don't think they got outplayed...that game was pretty much back and forth all nite, save for the brief 10 pt Mav lead in the 3rd qtr...they had 3 chances the last 34 seconds and couldn't hit a shot....

as for avery...he's a control freak, which hampers that team at times.

[Ghost Writer]

Please look at the free throw disparity.

[Cry Havoc]

i don't think they got outplayed...that game was pretty much back and forth all nite, save for the brief 10 pt Mav lead in the 3rd qtr...they had 3 chances the last 34 seconds and couldn't hit a shot....

as for avery...he's a control freak, which hampers that team at times.

When you're on the road, and your star player shoots 1 less free throw than the entire home team, and you still can't pull out a victory: They got outplayed.

[YoMamaIsCallin]

Maybe he could forward the tape of Dirk tripping over his own giant feet and the refs whistling Udoka for the "foul."

Gotta take issue with you on that one. Be objective. The replay clearly showed Udoka's left foot moving under Dirk's feet and Dirk tripping over Udoka's foot. It was a foul.

Now the play last game where Manu really DID trip over his own feet and got the foul called is more like what you are talking about! That was funny. The Hawks were pissed, and they were right. They never touched him.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's true - TV cameras don't miss a thing.

Look, I know you're in an especially whiny mood this morning, but Terry said that Bowen elbowed him when he came down from his layup attempt.

Go back and watch the play again, Bowen didn't touch him and/or elbow him.

But what would Terry know compared to your crack knowledge of the situation?

The bottom line is that Terry is insisting Bowen elbowed him on the way down from the layup attempt, and the replay shows exactly zero contact between them.

Pull the panties out of your crack and relax.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Gotta take issue with you on that one. Be objective. The replay clearly showed Udoka's left foot moving under Dirk's feet and Dirk tripping over Udoka's foot. It was a foul.

Now the play last game where Manu really DID trip over his own feet and got the foul called is more like what you are talking about! That was funny. The Hawks were pissed, and they were right. They never touched him.


TNT replayed it six times, Dirk tripped over his own feet.

[td4mvp21]

I don't think they have any reason to be mad. They got 31 ft attempts to our 22, I would be thrilled if the Spurs got that on a rival's homecourt. But I'm not surprised...the Mavs organization always publicly bitches about the officials when they lose. Pretty pathetic and I'm glad no one in the Spurs organization does that. Oh well, I hope they keep thinking they are losing because of the officials and make no adjustments.

[Findog]

If Jason Terry didn't have the emotional stability of a teenage girl during puberty, the Mavs could have won this game.

Mavs probably would've won this game. Bowen is what he is, you don't throw a hissy fit on the court and get a tech, you get him back when the refs aren't looking.

I'm disgusted that Avery whined about the refs on the final play instead of taking responsibility for fucking up by leaving Kidd on the bench. You're not going to get a borderline call on the road at the end of the game. STFU Avery.

All I will say about Terry is that I understand why he gets under the skin of opposing fans, but you guys have to understand why Bowen is reviled by opposing players and fans. He straddles the fence between hardnosed and dirty play.

[bigfan]

This is where Ill give Dirk some credit, I dont really remember him whining and crying after a loss. He is what he is, a great shooter (and not too much else). Jason Terry is a punk and cant take the torque, esp. in big games. Avery is a good coach who let his ego get in the way last night. Cuban can be entertaining and is probably a good owner (to Dallas fans) but man, what a crybaby. This is what separates good organizations, ie Spurs, Pistons, Lakers (yep) and the Jazz from a bunch of loser organizations ie Mavs, Suns, Heat, Kings ect...

[YoMamaIsCallin]

Terry complaining about cheapshots. :rollin

That's exactly right. Not only does he have a history -- punching Finley in what the announcers euphemistically called his "stomach" -- but he was chippy through the whole game last night. Several times he pushed off, bumped, flailed his arms at people and glared at them.

Also I can't believe Cuban complaining that Danny Crawford called a tech because he hates the Mavs. Geez, look at the replay. Terry goes right at Bowen, screaming obscenities and gesturing at him. That's a tech in any ref's book. Bowen, wisely, does not move towards him or respond, or he would have gotten a tech too.

[DazedAndConfused]

If anyone has footage of this mysterious flying elbow please post it. I certainly didn't see it on the broadcast at all.

Even if Bowen threw an elbow Terry is a complete moron for letting it get to him. Those two technical fouls cost them the game right there. Completely swung the momentum back to SAS favor and you really don't want to go into the 4th quarter tied with SAS. They will grind it out and 9/10 beat your ass.

[YoMamaIsCallin]

TNT replayed it six times, Dirk tripped over his own feet.

I guess we didn't watch the same replay? It was obvious to me at the time. I've erased it from my DVR so I can't watch it again or post it, unfortunately.

[Findog]

If anyone has footage of this mysterious flying elbow please post it. I certainly didn't see it on the broadcast at all.

You're just trying to verify whether an elbow took place like you're supposed to do. No surprises there.



Even if Bowen threw an elbow Terry is a complete moron for letting it get to him. Those two technical fouls cost them the game right there. Completely swung the momentum back to SAS favor and you really don't want to go into the 4th quarter tied with SAS. They will grind it out and 9/10 beat your ass

Terry's just being the ill-tempered hothead he's supposed to be. No surprises there. Congratulations on your team winning last night, SpursDynasty.

[BonnerDynasty]

Mavs probably would've won this game. Bowen is what he is, you don't throw a hissy fit on the court and get a tech, you get him back when the refs aren't looking.

I'm disgusted that Avery whined about the refs on the final play instead of taking responsibility for fucking up by leaving Kidd on the bench. You're not going to get a borderline call on the road at the end of the game. STFU Avery.

All I will say about Terry is that I understand why he gets under the skin of opposing fans, but you guys have to understand why Bowen is reviled by opposing players and fans. He straddles the fence between hardnosed and dirty play.

"Crafty Veteran" man.


Crafty Veteran. :hat

[Findog]

I guess we didn't watch the same replay? It was obvious to me at the time. I've erased it from my DVR so I can't watch it again or post it, unfortunately.

It's not enough for his team to win, if San Antonio doesn't get ALL the calls, then AGH is convinced the refs are in Cuban's pocket. Most of the calls were on Dirk driving to the basket. Horry ran into him out on the arc on that three attempt, but other than that, Dirk was being aggressive. I can't believe fans of a team that has Manu Ginobili are complaining about a player being adept at drawing contact.

[monosylab1k]

Look, I know you're in an especially whiny mood this morning, but Terry said that Bowen elbowed him when he came down from his layup attempt.

Go back and watch the play again, Bowen didn't touch him and/or elbow him.

But what would Terry know compared to your crack knowledge of the situation?

The bottom line is that Terry is insisting Bowen elbowed him on the way down from the layup attempt, and the replay shows exactly zero contact between them.

Pull the panties out of your crack and relax.

Wow your team won and you still insist on being a pissy little faggot. Whatever. The replay doesn't show the entire thing from start to finish. You know this and so does everyone else. TNT's angles showed nothing, but it doesn't mean that something didn't happen, because TNT's angles weren't locked onto Bowen/Terry the entire way down. But keep being a bitch, I'm sure you can't help yourself.

[T Park]

It's not enough for his team to win, if San Antonio doesn't get ALL the calls, then AGH is convinced the refs are in Cuban's pocket. Most of the calls were on Dirk driving to the basket. Horry ran into him out on the arc on that three attempt, but other than that, Dirk was being aggressive. I can't believe fans of a team that has Manu Ginobili are complaining about a player being adept at drawing contact.

Yeah that tripping over his own feet was an agressive move.

[FromWayDowntown]

I honestly didn't see an elbow on the play, but then again, in the building, it seemed like the contact that Terry took was almost entirely from Horry and that contact was not all that unusual for such a play. I'll admit that I haven't seen the replay and am going on what I saw at full speed only. Does someone have a link to a replay?

[Findog]

Something obviously happened for Terry to react the way he did, but that's on Terry for letting it get to him. Points are precious in a game like this, you're not playing the Bobcats at home.

[T Park]

Wow your team won and you still insist on being a pissy little faggot.

Love the bigotry there.

Looks great on ya Mav fan :tu

[td4mvp21]

Wow your team won and you still insist on being a pissy little faggot. Whatever. The replay doesn't show the entire thing from start to finish. You know this and so does everyone else. TNT's angles showed nothing, but it doesn't mean that something didn't happen, because TNT's angles weren't locked onto Bowen/Terry the entire way down. But keep being a bitch, I'm sure you can't help yourself.

Who's being the "pissy little faggot"? :lol

[ctpsb]

Terry complaining about cheapshots. :rollin

My thoughts exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The same Terry who hit Finley's nads in the 2006 WCSF???!!!

[FromWayDowntown]

Something obviously happened for Terry to react the way he did, but that's on Terry for letting it get to him. Points are precious in a game like this, you're not playing the Bobcats at home.

Perhaps, but the assumption that it was Bowen who did it didn't seem to jive with what I saw at the time of the play. I thought Terry went for the layup, got hit from behind by Horry and taken into the basket support as their momentum carried them in that direction.

I'd like to see a replay to see if there was some reason that he chose to go after Bowen.

[Frank Brickowski]

My question is if Bowen elbowed Terry why did Terry walk past him by several feet then turn around and come back at him? If I was elbowed on a shot I think I would immediately get in Bowens face, not start to walk off then come running back. Conveniently, it gave Dirk enough time to jump between the two and "hold back" Terry.

I don't know, maybe a different camera angle will show the supposed elbow but I find it amazing that Dallas fans think Terry is some kind of saint compared to Bowen.

[Findog]

I'd like to see a replay to see if there was some reason that he chose to go after Bowen.

My guess is that there was contact there that Terry felt was excessive, he turned around and Bowen was standing there. I guess Bruce's reputation precedes him in this instance. Still, Terry has to keep his cool. We were on a roll and really looking like the better team at that point. That sequence swung the momentum back to San Antonio and got them back in the game.

I'm more upset about Avery's dumbfuckery. We proved we can still hang with the best in the League, but that's the only positive to take from the game.

[samikeyp]

Mavs probably would've won this game. Bowen is what he is, you don't throw a hissy fit on the court and get a tech, you get him back when the refs aren't looking.

Exactly. Or nail a 3 in his face.


You said it....you know Bowen is going to try to get in your head...you can't let it happen.

[Islymore]

When you're on the road, and your star player shoots 1 less free throw than the entire home team, and you still can't pull out a victory: They got outplayed.

thass all im sayin!

[George Gervin's Afro]

Wow your team won and you still insist on being a pissy little faggot. Whatever. The replay doesn't show the entire thing from start to finish. You know this and so does everyone else. TNT's angles showed nothing, but it doesn't mean that something didn't happen, because TNT's angles weren't locked onto Bowen/Terry the entire way down. But keep being a bitch, I'm sure you can't help yourself.



a pissy little fa**ot will you find us a replay of the supposed contact? If you can't then shut the f*ck up because if you never saw it and can't produce it then you are simply talking out your a**..

[Cherry]

Jason Terry should learn to act like a professional. Because he is supposed to be one. It's good to know we can get into his mind so easily.

Terry is weak and Bruce knows that :devil

[Agloco]

I guess they just didn't give Dirk enough shots from the line in Cubans opinion.

You can clearly see the desperation setting in on the part of the Mavericks...... :toast

[Indazone]

That's cause Popovich used proprietary information to beat the Mavs.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

I saw the reply.

Jason Terry intentionally punched himself in the nuts. :lol

[ancestron]

Ah..Paloma...

Truth is no one knows why Jason Terry went at Bruce Bowen. Terry made the elbow gesture at the refs after the tech but that doesn't necessarily mean it happened on that layup. The TNT replays dont show anything, it could have been something that happened earlier that had Terry stewing and the layup block combined with the impact into the stantion and the sight of Bruce again set him off.

[mavsfan1000]

Congrats spurs. You guys made some big shots. Terry losing his composure pissed me the fuck off though. Stupid. Even worse is when Avery left Kidd out and started dictating his stupid plays at the end. We have NO answer for your big 3 and can only hope our bench allows us to stay in the game.

[Supergirl]

Mavs, just like the Suns, will NEVER win a championship if they don't lose this attitude of complaining about the refs whenever they lose a big game.

And try as they might to play it down, this was an important game psychologically - the first time the face their biggest nemesis since they pulled the trigger on a really big gamble of a trade...and they couldn't pull it out for the win.

Does that mean they won't win the next one? Does that mean they can't win in the playoffs? Not necessarily. But the Mavs' biggest obstacle is themselves - they get stuck complaining long after the game is over, and this leads to a mental state of not really believing that they CAN win, regardless of what the refs do. Which is the only way to win a championship.

(And incidentally, as others have pointed out, in a game where Dirk made virtually all of his points from the line, and went there more than the whole Spurs roster, I don't think they have any right complaining about the refs. But really, that's a sidebar, because it doesn't really matter)

[td4mvp21]

Congrats spurs. You guys made some big shots. Terry losing his composure pissed me the fuck off though. Stupid. Even worse is when Avery left Kidd out and started dictating his stupid plays at the end. We have NO answer for your big 3 and can only hope our bench allows us to stay in the game.

That's what I was so pissed about...we had the Mavs' big three under control and we let the bench go off on us :wtf. Dallas has a good bench, so I don't think your hope is dim at this point.

[LakerMagic]

Wow, the Mavericks have got to be the least respected team of the best in the West. And it starts with their owner.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Wow, the Mavericks have got to be the least respected team of the best in the West. And it starts with their owner.


The Laker still suck the big chorizo..

[fyatuk]

Gotta take issue with you on that one. Be objective. The replay clearly showed Udoka's left foot moving under Dirk's feet and Dirk tripping over Udoka's foot. It was a foul.


Udoka was backpeddling and his foot was moving away from Dirk when Dirk was tripped. Udoka did nothing wrong and no foul should have been called.

[urunobili]

the league may fine Cuban for whining about the refs if they don;t find anything... saw the game at Bennigans in Grapevine... people at the bar just left to the tables not to be besides me in the 4th quarter!

[Agloco]

Wow, the Mavericks have got to be the least respected team of the best in the West. And it starts with their owner.



When you act like a clown, people tend to treat you like one.......

[callo1]

Something obviously happened for Terry to react the way he did, but that's on Terry for letting it get to him. Points are precious in a game like this, you're not playing the Bobcats at home.


Maybe it wasn't an elbow he felt, instead, it was Finley's balls getting revenge for the punch Terry threw in '06?

Terry is a dirty player himself, so he should shut his pie-hole.

[TeyshaBlue]

When you act like a clown, people tend to treat you like one.......
That's billionaire clown to you, sparky. :greedy

[K-State Spur]

Elbows are completely out of line. Now, if Bowen had punched him in the penis, that's something that Terry could respect...

[K-State Spur]

It's not enough for his team to win, if San Antonio doesn't get ALL the calls, then AGH is convinced the refs are in Cuban's pocket. Most of the calls were on Dirk driving to the basket. Horry ran into him out on the arc on that three attempt, but other than that, Dirk was being aggressive. I can't believe fans of a team that has Manu Ginobili are complaining about a player being adept at drawing contact.

With the exception of tripping over his own feet (and Udoka had actually gotten away with a clear foul earlier on that play before Dirk got the ball), I didn't have a problem with any of the calls that sent Dirk to the line.

My beef would be that if Duncan had been officiated the same way, Damp/Bass both would have fouled out in the first half.

[BigTexican06]

Complain, Complain...that's all ya'll mavs fans do. It's never your fault if you lose. Cuban... Complain all you want, nobody likes you anyway...and u are a horrible dancer.

[Taco]

Elbows are completely out of line. Now, if Bowen had punched him in the penis, that's something that Terry could respect...
:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Elbows are completely out of line. Now, if Bowen had punched him in the penis, that's something that Terry could respect...

We'll need to take up a collection and buy Terry one first. :lol

[baseline bum]

LMAO that I never heard Cuban complain about Eddie F. Rush who always giftwraps games to their soft asses. Yeah, Terry's not going to go after someone for no good reason? :lmao

Like when he puched Fin in the fucking nuts because he had the balls to dive for a loose ball and force a jumpball with him?

[YoMamaIsCallin]

Udoka was backpeddling and his foot was moving away from Dirk when Dirk was tripped. Udoka did nothing wrong and no foul should have been called.

Allow me to retort!

(a) the original poster claimed Dirk tripped over his own foot. Clearly you agree with me that he did trip over Udoka's foot.

(b) On a trip like this, it's the ref's decision whether to call it or not. Generally, if the offensive player is going in a normal direction (as opposed to straight into the defensive player), and the defensive player is not rooted to one spot, the call will be made. It seems unfair, because there was no intent to foul, but that is the way it's called.

[SenorSpur]

Mavs players, coaches and owner bitching about officiating? So what else is new?

Dirk shot more FTs that the entire Spurs team. So I don't wanna hear any of their bitchin'. The reasons behind their losses are always the fault of someone else.

'06 NBA Finals versus Heat - officials were out to get us - form Game 3 through 6.

[picnroll]

Allow me to retort!

(a) the original poster claimed Dirk tripped over his own foot. Clearly you agree with me that he did trip over Udoka's foot.

(b) On a trip like this, it's the ref's decision whether to call it or not. Generally, if the offensive player is going in a normal direction (as opposed to straight into the defensive player), and the defensive player is not rooted to one spot, the call will be made. It seems unfair, because there was no intent to foul, but that is the way it's called.
Dirk has made an art form out of driving and looking for feet to step on. Witness the "foul" that took Duncan out of the game in the '06 playoffs wher he was backpedaling, Dirk ran up on him and stepped on his foot.

[fyatuk]

Allow me to retort!

(a) the original poster claimed Dirk tripped over his own foot. Clearly you agree with me that he did trip over Udoka's foot.

(b) On a trip like this, it's the ref's decision whether to call it or not. Generally, if the offensive player is going in a normal direction (as opposed to straight into the defensive player), and the defensive player is not rooted to one spot, the call will be made. It seems unfair, because there was no intent to foul, but that is the way it's called.

a) that's what it looked like to me. It's the same as when Duncan got called for a foul when Dirk stepped on his foot a couple years ago. NOTE: I do not record the games, so I have not gone back and looked at it.

b) It's called wrong. Udoka was in a legal defensive position and is entitled to his own space. There SHOULD NOT have been a foul called on that. It was not a foul.

That being said, 90% of the time, especially if a "superstar" is involved, a foul will be called, albeit incorrectly. That particular call annoys me because it's incorrect, but it's not really worth worrying about since it's a consistently called incorrect foul.

[timaios]

Calm down !
It's a regular season game !
A 1 possession game !
We could losed this game but i am happy we won it !

If Mavs and Spurs meet in playoffs, it's 50/50.

That was a great match, with big intensity. A very tough matchup.

The refs made good calls / bad calls... both side !

[Brutalis]

Typical 'it's not our fault it's everyone elses' Mavs/Suns bullshit.

[crc21209]

lol boo fucking hoo pussies shut the fuck up and play the game already its not our fault your team is consisted of thugs/cry-babies/chokers. lol at Terry bitching when he punched Finley in the nuts 2 yrs ago for no reason....That jackass belongs out of the NBA.

[nfg3]

Terry complaining about cheapshots. :rollin

:tu Really! He's should be the last one to say anything.

Bowen is our Lambieer!

Way to lose it JET.

[easjer]

I agree with KState that it's not about the calls Dirk got (with a couple of noteable exceptions), my bitching is about the fact that the same calls were not being made on the other side of the court. There were numerous times that Duncan, Ginobili and Parker were fouled on attempts that were not called. Normally, that's just the course of the game, but when the same things are counting against the Spurs, then it needs also to be called against the Mavs to be fair.

It wasn't, it pissed me the hell off, and I hate watching games like that that are completely interrupted by the refs. The only stretch that wasn't interrupted nearly every trip down the court was the brief period of time in which the Spurs made their 11-1 run to tie up the game. As soon as that happened, bam! suddenly the whistles started again.

As for the Mavs and Kidd in general - I think in many aspects Kidd does in fact improve their team (especially when they can begin to anticipate his passes). But in the aspect that most interests me - the Spurs/Mavs matchup- I think they got worse. I think the Spurs can much more easily beat the Mavs over a series than before the trade. Not a sweep or anything - but I feel confident in a win.

Now the Mavs may be able to do quite well in the playoffs, depending on seeding - if the Spurs got knocked out, they could go quite far, imo. I would love to see an LA/Dallas matchup.

[gasolina]

Mavs have no answer for playoff tough games…The fans should be mad at Avery…No J Kidd in the final minutes? Dirk hanging out at the 3 point line being guard by Tony Parker? No inside penetration…Hail Mary shots in crunch time does not get it done…

I agree. Which is why Dallas doesn't pose a serious threat anymore. Too many flaws were exposed during the Warriors shocker Round 1 series with them (with Devin Harris and Diop).

Mavs, I predict, even with a top 4 seed, will be out in the first round once again.

[GSH]

My guess is that there was contact there that Terry felt was excessive, he turned around and Bowen was standing there. I guess Bruce's reputation precedes him in this instance. Still, Terry has to keep his cool. We were on a roll and really looking like the better team at that point. That sequence swung the momentum back to San Antonio and got them back in the game.

I'm more upset about Avery's dumbfuckery. We proved we can still hang with the best in the League, but that's the only positive to take from the game.

LMAO.... "dumbfuckery". I'm keeping that one.

I don't know if something upset JET earlier in the game, but that's not what set him off right at that moment. It was frustration. And getting the T was stupid.

To Cuban and a lot of Mavs fans, that phantom "elbow" is just further proof of how dirty Bowen plays. It doesn't matter when the film shows it's bullshit, his reputation speaks for itself. Stop and consider that some of the other shit that he's been accused of was just about that solid.

Ray Allen claimed that Bowen intentionally stepped under him when he took a jump shot. I've got the video clip. Allen came down at least 3 feet in front of where he took off on the shot. If what Bowen did was wrong, nobody in the league would ever be able to defend a 3-point shot. But that play is one of the bits of "proof" that established Bowen's reputation. (I also have about half a dozen clips of Allen stepping under jump shooters. But hey, why let facts get in the way?)

Last year in the playoffs, Amare Stoudamire accused Bowen of trying to hurt his surgically reconstructed leg. Fans across the country believed it out of hand. But then some low-angle video surfaced that showed Amare's story was bullshit. No matter. Ask nearly any Suns fan, and they will cite that incident as part of the "proof" that Bowen is dirty. And by that, I mean the incident that Amare fabricated.

Bruce Bowen is, and has been, one hell of a defensive player. It's a huge injustice that some of this crap has been allowed to overshadow his skills and effort.

[Obstructed_View]

What's this? Mark Cuban unhappy with the officiating???
He's only unhappy with the officiating because his overriding concern is for the officiating to be as good as it can possibly be. That his concern only flares up after following Mavericks losses, and losses to the Spurs in particular*, is just coincidence.


*the Dairy Queen comments were immediately following a Mavs loss to the Spurs in Dallas.

[Obstructed_View]

And thank God for the Kidd trade. If the Spurs had come out this poorly playing the Mavs with Diop and Harris, they'd have lost by 20.

[mavsfan1000]

And thank God for the Kidd trade. If the Spurs had come out this poorly playing the Mavs with Diop and Harris, they'd have lost by 20.
Manu would've gone for 30 points if Kidd wasn't here. Duncan owns both Dampier and Diop. Bass surprisingly had the most success against Duncan.

[Agloco]

That's billionaire clown to you, sparky. :greedy

That's actually worse in a lot of ways. You'd think accumulating all of that wealth would have entailed exhibiting some sort of restraint or tact along the way.

His "Sideshow Bob" routine is tired and needs to be taken to the nearest recycle facility.

[Obstructed_View]

Manu would've gone for 30 points if Kidd wasn't here. Duncan owns both Dampier and Diop. Bass surprisingly had the most success against Duncan.
Manu's been tired for the last two or three games; don't even try to make yourself believe that Kidd can defend him. He would have needed at least 25 shots to get 30 points the way he was playing. Harris would have been able to take advantage of Parker not being back to full speed.

Bass' success against Duncan isn't surprising. He's a matchup problem and when he hits shots and the Spurs play bad defense he's going to score a little bit.

[Obstructed_View]

To get back to the discussion, Bowen fouled Terry a few plays before the T and it wasn't called. Terry bitched about it for a while. I'll go back and see if it was an elbow, because Bowen might have said something to Terry who then referred to the elbow from three plays before as justification for losing his cool, which he might actually do because he's a dumbass.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

This is Jason Terry of the nut-punch calling Bowen dirty... uh-huh. :rolleyes

Terry is a dirty, whining little biatch.

[ambchang]

Wow your team won and you still insist on being a pissy little faggot. Whatever. The replay doesn't show the entire thing from start to finish. You know this and so does everyone else. TNT's angles showed nothing, but it doesn't mean that something didn't happen, because TNT's angles weren't locked onto Bowen/Terry the entire way down. But keep being a bitch, I'm sure you can't help yourself.
Like that play on Wade during the finals. However, the "other" angle showed that Wade was indeed fouled.
I agree, we should all wait for the Bowen elbow to show up in a couple of years.

[Tek_XX]

Just more evidence of the Avery, Cuban crybaby trickle down effect. How else to ghetto thugs like Jason Terry get turned into whinny bitches.

[Man of Steel]

OFFICIAL MAV-MOBILE:



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[Man of Steel]

BTW--

This guy is pissed at Jason Terry

Says JT stole his diaper---






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[Spursofthemoment]

Bowen was not even near Jason Terry during the play (they were really far away from each other), perhaps he hit him as he was walking back to the other end? If any of you still have the game recorded you can see that it could not have happened DURING that play, so if it happened at all, it was at another time.

[ShoogarBear]

Someday, Jason Terry and Amare Stoudemire are destined to be teammates. You just know it.

[Findog]

Manu's been tired for the last two or three games; don't even try to make yourself believe that Kidd can defend him.

Don't even try to make yourself believe that Manu will shoot 60% the entire season.

[Findog]

And thank God for the Kidd trade. If the Spurs had come out this poorly playing the Mavs with Diop and Harris, they'd have lost by 20.

:lol

good stuff. Devin Harris and DeSagana Diop, our two best players until we traded them away. Dirk and Josh are scrubs.

[Obstructed_View]

Don't even try to make yourself believe that Manu will shoot 60% the entire season.
Not sure where in your ass you found that stat. Manu shot 10-33 the last two games. Does Kidd get credit for the shooting against Atlanta too?

[Obstructed_View]

:lol

good stuff. Devin Harris and DeSagana Diop, our two best players until we traded them away. Dirk and Josh are scrubs.
Nice strawman. Harris + Diop > Kidd + nobody. Should be so simple even you can understand it.

[Findog]

Not sure where in your ass you found that stat. Manu shot 10-33 the last two games. Does Kidd get credit for the shooting against Atlanta too?

Before the Atlanta game, he had been shooting 60% from the field over his last 5 or 6 games. He was WC Player of the Week or Month, right?

[Findog]

Nice strawman. Harris + Diop > Kidd + nobody. Should be so simple even you can understand it.


Dirk, Josh and Jet are the biggest Spurs killers, followed by Devin at #4, then Stackhouse at #5, Damp at #6 and Diop at #7.

We gave up our fourth and seventh-most important players when it comes to the Spurs. There are going to be times when we miss Harris' speed and Diop's shotblocking, but I was pleased to see that the Mavs are still going to a bitch to play for the Spurs and any series between our teams is going at least 6 and probably 7 games.

Here is what Tony Parker has done to the Mavs since the beginning of that playoff series two years ago: 19 points and 4 assists per game. And here is what Devin has done against the Spurs: 12 points and 3 assists per game. And maybe you're forgetting that in Game 7, Parker abused Devin: 24 points, 5 assists and 1 turnover to 2 points, 0 assists and 5 turnovers for Harris. Harris has improved offensively since that time, but the speed is still the same.

As for Diop, he's living off that Game 7 overtime against Duncan when he sat the bench the entire regulation while Timmy was gassed. The guy who banged on him all night and helped wear him down is still here. Dampier is no Duncan stopper, nobody is, but he does what one can against him as well as can be done.

[picnroll]

Too lazy to look it up but I think if you look at the games the Mavs won against the Spurs vs the games the Mavs lost, a deciding factor was Harris having big games in many of the wins.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Dirk, Josh and Jet are the biggest Spurs killers, followed by Devin at #4, then Stackhouse at #5, Damp at #6 and Diop at #7.

We gave up our fourth and seventh-most important players when it comes to the Spurs. There are going to be times when we miss Harris' speed and Diop's shotblocking, but I was pleased to see that the Mavs are still going to a bitch to play for the Spurs and any series between our teams is going at least 6 and probably 7 games.

Here is what Tony Parker has done to the Mavs since the beginning of that playoff series two years ago: 19 points and 4 assists per game. And here is what Devin has done against the Spurs: 12 points and 3 assists per game. And maybe you're forgetting that in Game 7, Parker abused Devin: 24 points, 5 assists and 1 turnover to 2 points, 0 assists and 5 turnovers for Harris. Harris has improved offensively since that time, but the speed is still the same.

As for Diop, he's living off that Game 7 overtime against Duncan when he sat the bench the entire regulation while Timmy was gassed. The guy who banged on him all night and helped wear him down is still here. Dampier is no Duncan stopper, nobody is, but he does what one can against him as well as can be done.


Except, as you saw last night, without Harris that punk bitch Terry sees different defenses and is much less effective, and now with Udoka and Bowen , Howard is much less effective too.

[Findog]

Except, as you saw last night, without Harris that punk bitch Terry sees different defenses and is much less effective, and now with Udoka and Bowen , Howard is much less effective too.

Howard's been sucking for the past 3 weeks because of a lower back contusion. That was nothing new. Terry is going to continue to be effective as a spot-up shooter for Kidd. Dirk shot 5-15. Manu and Tony had a poor shooting night, so did those guys. Thanks for playing though.

[nfg3]

Speed kills - as with Parker so with Harris. That has been a problem with the Spurs when they play the Mavs - Harris's speed and the D Diop plays against TD. Dirk/Howard/JET and even Stackhouse will get their points but take away the impact of Harris and Diop and the game is different. I believe that a Kidd lead Mavs team is less of a threat to the Spurs than if they had Harris and Diop. The Mavs have absolutely no player to defend TD. Period! Stuff the Jamal crap, too. It ain't happening.

[hitmanyr2k]

My question is if Bowen elbowed Terry why did Terry walk past him by several feet then turn around and come back at him? If I was elbowed on a shot I think I would immediately get in Bowens face, not start to walk off then come running back. Conveniently, it gave Dirk enough time to jump between the two and "hold back" Terry.

I don't know, maybe a different camera angle will show the supposed elbow but I find it amazing that Dallas fans think Terry is some kind of saint compared to Bowen.

I'm kind of surprised you're the only one in this thread that has asked this question because I was thinking the same thing. After the foul Terry was calm as can be. He didn't explode until at least 5 seconds after the foul and then ran up into Bruce's face. If someone takes an elbow that's not going to be his normal reaction. I thought Bruce had just insulted his mom or something. The elbow argument is ridiculous.

[Agloco]

I'm kind of surprised you're the only one in this thread that has asked this question because I was thinking the same thing. After the foul Terry was calm as can be. He didn't explode until at least 5 seconds after the foul and then ran up into Bruce's face. If someone takes an elbow that's not going to be his normal reaction. I thought Bruce had just insulted his mom or something. The elbow argument is ridiculous.


You just have to believe that Bruce said something to set him off as he was walking away. All it would have taken was one word. Its the only thing that makes sense here.

[td4mvp21]

Bruce probably said something to him.

[Obstructed_View]

Dirk, Josh and Jet are the biggest Spurs killers, followed by Devin at #4, then Stackhouse at #5, Damp at #6 and Diop at #7.

We gave up our fourth and seventh-most important players when it comes to the Spurs. There are going to be times when we miss Harris' speed and Diop's shotblocking, but I was pleased to see that the Mavs are still going to a bitch to play for the Spurs and any series between our teams is going at least 6 and probably 7 games.

Here is what Tony Parker has done to the Mavs since the beginning of that playoff series two years ago: 19 points and 4 assists per game. And here is what Devin has done against the Spurs: 12 points and 3 assists per game. And maybe you're forgetting that in Game 7, Parker abused Devin: 24 points, 5 assists and 1 turnover to 2 points, 0 assists and 5 turnovers for Harris. Harris has improved offensively since that time, but the speed is still the same.

As for Diop, he's living off that Game 7 overtime against Duncan when he sat the bench the entire regulation while Timmy was gassed. The guy who banged on him all night and helped wear him down is still here. Dampier is no Duncan stopper, nobody is, but he does what one can against him as well as can be done.
I'm sorry, but when has Jason Terry been a Spurs killer? Josh Howard doesn't historically do that well against the Spurs. Dirk only became a Spurs killer since the introduction of Smallball©. I know you, as a Mavs fan, don't understand the importance of defense, as it doesn't really show up as a stat, but Harris can keep Parker out of the paint, and the Spurs are most effective when the guards are penetrating. Diop is a shot blocker with quick feet, exactly the type of player Duncan has problems with.

I've said it before, but it's worth one more try: The Spurs didn't play that well and won a close game they normally would have lost by 20. If the Spurs play well against the Mavs you'll see the difference.

[Obstructed_View]

Bruce probably said something to him.
He must have. The no-call foul a few plays earlier was Howard, not Terry. I think Kidd heard whatever Bowen said because he wasn't too happy with Bowen either. The only elbow might have been from Damon when he tried to draw that charge.

[xmas1997]

Geeez, all I've been reading lately are either Mavs whining, or Suns whining, with an occasional sprinkling of how great the Kakers think they are.
I have no doubt they will be whining soon too.
But who are the bigger whiners, the Mavs, or the Suns?
There should be a national poll on this!

[mavsfan1000]

I'm over the refs but I'm not going to stop whining until Avery is fired. I know Stackhouse will feel bad though. Tough shit.

[Obstructed_View]

The Mavs only whine to the media when they lose. The Suns only whine after every whistle if it's against them or on every offensive play if the ball doesn't go in the basket and there's no whistle.

[td4mvp21]

He must have. The no-call foul a few plays earlier was Howard, not Terry. I think Kidd heard whatever Bowen said because he wasn't too happy with Bowen either. The only elbow might have been from Damon when he tried to draw that charge.

Yeah Kidd turned around and said something to Bowen. I don't really care though, I'm glad Bowen said something to him, he's a prick to everyone on the team. Plus he lost his temper and it turned the whole game around. God I love Bowen.

[td4mvp21]

The Mavs only whine to the media when they lose. The Suns only whine after every whistle if it's against them or on every offensive play if the ball doesn't go in the basket and there's no whistle.

Yep. You wouldn't have heard a peep out of them had they won :tu

I know the Spurs whine on court, but I'm really glad no one in the organization or on the team publicly whines to the media. It sounds really pathetic.

[oboymeetsogirl]

I think we Spurs fans understand the fine art of flopping (re Manu, Tony, and the wiliest of them all, Big Shot Bob), but in that last game I think Nowitzki almost turned it into a cheap craft. It's ugly when a 6 footer fakes a fall after going up untouched. But give him credit. It got him to the line (almost more than the entire Spurs team put together), and it's all part of the game.

It's no surprise to hear Cuban whining. Zebras can't take off their stripes. At least his employees, Avery and Dirk, have the class and brains enough to know that the NBA game is all ebbs and flows, which includes calls going for and against you. I'm so glad we don't have to hear about Pop or any of the Spurs brass ever moaning after every bad game, even when the officiating is questionable. Haven't these guys gotten it yet? Virtually every champion of the past twenty years has gotten there by playing better, not crying harder.