Anyone concerned with the Mavs more than any other western team?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

While I agree that the loss of Harris/Diop hurts them in a matchup with us, I still think they are a crappier matchup for us more so than the Lakers, or any other western team.


It feels like some Spurs fans are thinking that just because of this trade, the Spurs are gonna easily beat the Mavs in 5 or something ridiculous.


I'm just curious.

[timvp]

Tough to say but I definitely don't want to play the Mavs in the first round . . .

[crc21209]

Good point, still a tough match-up but not a thorn on our side as much as before. Harris always plays Tony well and Diop bothers Duncan, but I still see the Lakers being the toughest team to beat this year not the Suns or Mavs.

[T Park]

It feels like some Spurs fans are thinking that just because of this trade, the Spurs are gonna easily beat the Mavs in 5 or something ridiculous.





I don't think anyone thinks that.

But they do matchup a whole hell of alot better with them than they did before.

[J.T.]

I don't think the Mavs are a pushover, but I don't think they can beat the Spurs in a series either. It took them overtime in the seventh game last time, so they were not that much better than us before.

I'm not concerned about the Lakers that much. We all know Kobe is "the assassin", as his pals at ESPN call him, but we also know that Gasol is a soft bitch and Bynum will break at some point against Duncan in a playoff series. And we have good defenders like Ginobili, Udoka and Bowen to put on the Laker scrubs Farmar and Vujacic.

Mavs seem to play us like they're the 1996 Bulls every time we match up. Any Spurs fan that wants the Spurs to run into the Mavs is disrespecting the Mavs or just plain delusional. We can beat the Mavs, but it won't be easy, and it will wear out our team. The only round I'd want to see them in is the conference finals since there's more rest after that if we do beat them.

[crc21209]

I don't think the Mavs are a pushover, but I don't think they can beat the Spurs in a series either. It took them overtime in the seventh game last time, so they were not that much better than us before.

I'm not concerned about the Lakers that much. We all know Kobe is "the assassin", as his pals at ESPN call him, but we also know that Gasol is a soft bitch and Bynum will break at some point against Duncan in a playoff series. And we have good defenders like Ginobili, Udoka and Bowen to put on the Laker scrubs Farmar and Vujacic.

Mavs seem to play us like they're the 1996 Bulls every time we match up. Any Spurs fan that wants the Spurs to run into the Mavs is disrespecting the Mavs or just plain delusional. We can beat the Mavs, but it won't be easy, and it will wear out our team. The only round I'd want to see them in is the conference finals since there's more rest after that if we do beat them.


DAMN! haha i agree with all of that! Well said! :clap :toast

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I don't think the Mavs are a pushover, but I don't think they can beat the Spurs in a series either. It took them overtime in the seventh game last time, so they were not that much better than us before.

I'm not concerned about the Lakers that much. We all know Kobe is "the assassin", as his pals at ESPN call him, but we also know that Gasol is a soft bitch and Bynum will break at some point against Duncan in a playoff series. And we have good defenders like Ginobili, Udoka and Bowen to put on the Laker scrubs Farmar and Vujacic.

Mavs seem to play us like they're the 1996 Bulls every time we match up. Any Spurs fan that wants the Spurs to run into the Mavs is disrespecting the Mavs or just plain delusional. We can beat the Mavs, but it won't be easy, and it will wear out our team. The only round I'd want to see them in is the conference finals since there's more rest after that if we do beat them.


Had terry not been suspended, we woulda lost that series in 6. I think the Spurs were always playing catchup to the Mavs int hat series, and had to play extremely well to win games. I will go as far as to say that the Mavs may have been a little better than the Spurs more than the OT 7 game series would suggest.

[Louie Vega]

Had terry not been suspended, we woulda lost that series in 6. I think the Spurs were always playing catchup to the Mavs int hat series, and had to play extremely well to win games. I will go as far as to say that the Mavs may have been a little better than the Spurs more than the OT 7 game series would suggest.


Ok dude! We get the point! In your opinion the Spurs can't beat the Mavs in a 7 game series! Did you really have to start a thread about this shit?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

hahaha

I never said the Spurs can't beat the Mavs in a 7 game series, I was seeing with all the talk about the Lakers, if people are overlooking the Mavs like we may have back in 06

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

In the 2006 series they matched up so well with us, the wins were determined by the fewest or no mistakes.
This year, I don't think we'd have to grind out games against the Mavs to win. But I still would be a little nervous to play them in a series. (But only about as nervous as you would be against any really good team.)
Jason Kidd for all his greatness in skill, doesn't make them all that scary.
Dirk still poses as a threat though, but Mavs should fear us more than we do them.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Yeah, the matchups are definitely easier this year. I definitely have more faith against them this year than last.

[ludda]

It depends on how well the Mavs do from here on out with Kidd. I must say though they showed more fight in them against us and the Lakers then I expected since they haven't look strong all season and b/c of the trade.

I'd rather not face them in the first round, would rather face Hornets, Suns, Jazz. However I think the Lakers are a stronger team. Again, its too early to tell b/c as of now it looks like the Suns are done but who knows.

[J.T.]

Had terry not been suspended, we woulda lost that series in 6. I think the Spurs were always playing catchup to the Mavs int hat series, and had to play extremely well to win games. I will go as far as to say that the Mavs may have been a little better than the Spurs more than the OT 7 game series would suggest.

That may be true, but you may forget that Tony Parker may as well have not even rode the plane to Dallas because he sucked at an epic level in that game. Not to mention he was playing with bruises on both thighs that he suffered in the Kings series (and in all likelihood further agitated as the Mavs series went on). Manu was playing with bruises too, and of course Duncan had the plantar fasciitis. Although Duncan turned in one of the most impressive performances while injured in NBA history during that series, you could clearly tell that Parker's injuries were a hindrance. I have no doubt a healthy Spurs team would have won that series. It very well may have still taken seven games, but they would have won.

[Blackjack]

I don't think anyone realizes how many things had to fall the mavs way for them to get past the spurs. Whether it was the scheduling, the seeding, the rule changes, or the injuries to the big three. There's a reason the spurs didn't completely overhaul the team the following year.

I respect the mavs talent, but I don't fear them. They've always played us tough. People seem to think that we used to just destroy them everytime we played. While the spurs came out on top more times than not, the games usually came down to the wire. That's where we'd see the difference between the teams. It's a trait that seperates a very good team from a championship team. A trait I have still yet to see displayed by the mavs.

They've had their chances. Take a look at their run to the finals. They beat the grizzlies, whose next playoff win will be their first. They get the spurs ripe for the picking, and end up escaping after blowing a 3-1 lead. They beat an Amare-less suns squad, and then fall to an inferior heat squad after going up 2-0. The mavs were every bit as fortunate as the cavs were in 07.

Last years playoff against the warriors was a bad matchup, but if they were the real-deal they would have found a way to win. I seem to remember the suns and Marbury owning the spurs during the regular season in 03. I also remember the sonics in 05 doing the same. But the spurs did what the mavs could not. They found a way to win.

So to answer your question(sorry, apparently I had to get some shit off my chest) I'm not concerned with the mavs more or less than any other elite team. Would I like to avoid them in the first round? Absolutely. But if spurs vs. mavs is destined for the first round, the spurs will find a way to win. That's what champions do.

[J.T.]

^

Yeah, I remember the '03 Suns and '05 Sonics giving us some trouble in the season. Same with the Cavs last year, they swept us in the regular season, so we returned the favor in the Finals.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I have to say, those were some good posts

[SpurAddict561]

Nope, I'm more worried about LA, personally.......

[m33p0]

our biggest worry this year in facing the Mavs in the playoffs is complacency. though the 2 biggest thorns on the Spurs' side are gone, they are still quite a capable team with Nowitzki, Terry, Howard and now Kidd. i'd only relax if the Spurs beat them convincingly.

i don't know about you, guys, but i'd like for our team to meet dallas in the playoffs, preferably in the conference finals. i'd like to be able to say that the spurs are a notch or 2 above the mavs.

[ChuckD]

The big difference btwn Mavs 06 and Mavs 08 is that while Tim gets 30/15 now and then, Diop could bother him enought to match one on one, and they could play the shooters straight up. Not the case now. They had to double Tim in the second half of the last matchup because he was fucking destroying them.

[easjer]

No, I'm definitely more concerned with the Lakers.

The Mavs no longer worry me.

I'm not saying sweep! or 5 games, easy. Not at all. The Mavs impressed me. I think the Kidd trade actually helps their team a lot in general. I think they do get the benefits of stronger floor leadership and floor spacing and good ball movement. Rock on, them. The problem is that they lost the pieces that could get them around the Spurs.

If they don't have to meet the Spurs, I think they could go quite far. But if they do, I think the Spurs can beat them in a series, much easier than they could before.

Basically whottt made some good arguments about this on Thursday - the stinger is drawn, and the Spurs no longer have to be perfect to edge it out. So they don't worry me.

I think we have larger matchup issues with LA.

[WalterBenitez]

No team could defeat us in a 7 game series

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

LA may be more of a threat than the Mavs, but they're still beatable.

[SenorSpur]

I don't think the Mavs are a pushover, but I don't think they can beat the Spurs in a series either. It took them overtime in the seventh game last time, so they were not that much better than us before.

I'm not concerned about the Lakers that much. We all know Kobe is "the assassin", as his pals at ESPN call him, but we also know that Gasol is a soft bitch and Bynum will break at some point against Duncan in a playoff series. And we have good defenders like Ginobili, Udoka and Bowen to put on the Laker scrubs Farmar and Vujacic.

Mavs seem to play us like they're the 1996 Bulls every time we match up. Any Spurs fan that wants the Spurs to run into the Mavs is disrespecting the Mavs or just plain delusional. We can beat the Mavs, but it won't be easy, and it will wear out our team. The only round I'd want to see them in is the conference finals since there's more rest after that if we do beat them.

Very well said and totally agree. :clap

Mavs still play the Spurs better or as well as any team in the West. I guess it's true that "familarity breeds contempt."

[ancestron]

The only thing that worries me is Dirk getting 30 free throws a game.

[phxspurfan]

LA is a major threat to us. I'd say that in the West, you have the following threats, arranged by severity...


1. Lakers
2. Suns
3. Mavericks
4. Jazz
5. Hornets
6. Warriors
7. Nuggets
8. Rockets

I don't see the Rockets making it out of the first round; they don't have the defense or offensive firepower. The Nuggets and Warriors have offense, but I still see them exiting in the first round. The Hornets and Jazz are my sleeper picks to win it all. The top 4 teams are a crap shoot to come out of the west, as I see it (with this ranking, the Spurs would be #2 in between the Lakers and Suns). I'm pretty worried about the Lakers right now, considering the quality of their victories without Bynum and Ariza.

[SAGambler]

LA may be more of a threat than the Mavs, but they're still beatable.

Of course they are beatable. If Dirk doesn't lose his gonads for 3 quarters yesterday, Mavs wipe the floor with the Lakers. Wonder how Mavs feel about the disparity in FTs? 37 - 17....Almost felt like a Spurs - Mavs game where they get the majority of the calls.

And while I'm at it.....Why in the hell does Kobe get to stand on the court and bitch at the refs and never get a T? Why does he get to throw the ball on the court in anger after being called for a foul and not getting Teed up?

If I was Cuban, this is the film I would send to the league. And start asking how it is that Kobe is allowed to get away with shit that no other player in the league is allowed a pass on.

[CubanMustGo]

The only thing that worries me is Dirk getting 30 free throws a game.

No shit.

vs. Lakers, 3/2: 26 shots, 8 FTs
vs. Kings, 2/29: 26 shots, 2 FTs
vs. Spurs, 2/28: 15 shots, 21 FTs

[ManuTastic]

I would be more worried about LA, because they are and have been the beefier team, and Tim doesn't like to play against beefy front lines. That's why I was MUY excited about getting Kurt Thomas. I think he'll help A LOT against LA (and PHx).
Mavs are still a threat, but a bit less now that Harris (who could torture Parker) and Diop (who played well against SA) are gone.

[Findog]

The big difference btwn Mavs 06 and Mavs 08 is that while Tim gets 30/15 now and then, Diop could bother him enought to match one on one, and they could play the shooters straight up. Not the case now. They had to double Tim in the second half of the last matchup because he was fucking destroying them.

Tim Duncan against the Mavs last Thursday: 31 points and 15 rebounds.

Tim Duncan averages in that playoff series: 32 points and 15 rebounds. Diop and Dampier never played him straight up exclusively, they got double help from time to time. What's your point?

That game last Thursday was played by both teams in fifth gear. Any series is going 6 or 7 games.

[SouthernFried]

Mavs and Lakers are both threats. Mavs are the biggest threat right now because of their history of playing against us so damned well. The jury is still out on how a Spurs/Lakers matchup plays out. On paper (and the media), the Lakers look good. Time will tell tho.

Right now, the Mavs have proven time and again they play us tuff. So, until the Lakers proove the same, the Mavs have earned the "most concerned" mini-award-to-answer-the-thread-topic thing here.

[K-State Spur]

Had terry not been suspended, we woulda lost that series in 6. I think the Spurs were always playing catchup to the Mavs int hat series, and had to play extremely well to win games. I will go as far as to say that the Mavs may have been a little better than the Spurs more than the OT 7 game series would suggest.

and if dirk doesn't get awarded as many FTs as the entire Spurs' team in Dallas, the Spurs might have won in 6.

it is what it is.

[roycrikside]

Hell fucking no. The ONLY team in the West that has me worried are the Lakers. The Mavs are pretty mediocre for a Western team I think, and while Kidd might have helped them a tiny bit on offense, they're worse defensively now.

I can't believe anyone here is worried about them. We beat them last week with both Tony and Manu playing like crap and the refs giving them all the calls. Dirk got like 20+ FT attempts where as our guards couldn't buy a call. In the past there's no way we beat those guys unless Manu and Tony played really well. This year we've beaten them once with Timmy in street clothes and once with only one of the big three playing well.
They don't concern me all that much and I think the bloom is off the rose with Avery, he's not that great of a coach.

[Findog]

Hell fucking no. The ONLY team in the West that has me worried are the Lakers. The Mavs are pretty mediocre for a Western team I think, and while Kidd might have helped them a tiny bit on offense, they're worse defensively now.

:lmao

Our offensive efficiency has been worse with Kidd actually. It's our defense that has been better.



I can't believe anyone here is worried about them.

Because they're smart? I think the Spurs would be favored in a 7-game series, and they should be, but the Mavs would be a war.


We beat them last week with both Tony and Manu playing like crap

Josh and Jet shit the bed too.


and the refs giving them all the calls.

:lmao


Dirk got like 20+ FT attempts where as our guards couldn't buy a call.

I could complain about the sequence at the end, but I'm not.

[oboymeetsogirl]

I agree that the Mavs are no pushovers, but unlike the past three years I'd rather face them than the Suns (Nash, more than Shaq, is the giant talent that still makes the difference) and the Jazz (the addition of Korver gives them another weapon, and the Williams/Boozer combo is playing like the Stockton/Malone duo that got them into two finals).

Of course, the Lakers are a team to be reckoned; but in my mind, they're still an unknown factor. We haven't played them in their current makeup. We know Kobe can still take over any game, and Bynum is a giant in the making. But I'm far less impressed by Gasol than the Laker fans, having seen him fade in enough games against the Spurs in the past.

But back to the Mavs: I think they are now basically a two man team -- Kidd an Nowitzki -- and two guys is hardly enough to win a seven games series against a loaded team like the Spurs.

[Findog]

But back to the Mavs: I think they are now basically a two man team -- Kidd an Nowitzki -- and two guys is hardly enough to win a seven games series against a loaded team like the Spurs.

Right now this is true. Something is going on with Josh Howard.

[DazedAndConfused]

There are only 3 elite teams in the WC right now:

Spurs, Lakers, and Mavs. Fuck the records and standings and seedings at this point, when all is said and done these are the 3 teams to beat in the WC.

[Indazone]

We'll beat the Mav's down for ya. Push them further down so they can get a lock on 4th place lol. Hey the Rockets are right behind ya now in the SW Division. 2.5 games out. Hornets are 2 games out. But I think the Hornets lose from here on out. Lately, they are getting beat down and just got pummeled by the Wizards.

They will win their next three. But after that? hahaha
Mon 03 @ New York 6:30pm CST KMEZ, WIBR
Wed 05 vs Atlanta 7:00pm KMEZ, WIBR
Fri 07 vs New Jersey 7:00pm CST KMEZ, WIBR
Sat 08 @ Houston 7:30pm CST , RTV KMEZ, WIBR
Wed 12 vs San Antonio 7:00pm CST KMEZ, WIBR
Fri 14 vs LA Lakers 7:00pm CST KMEZ, WIBR
Sun 16 @ Detroit 5:00pm CST KMEZ, WIBR
Mon 17 vs Chicago 7:00pm CST KMEZ, WIBR
Wed 19 vs Houston 7:00pm CST KMEZ, WIBR
Sat 22 vs Boston 7:00pm CST KMEZ, WIBR
Tue 25 @ Indiana 6:00pm CST , SCORE KMEZ, WIBR
Wed 26 @ Cleveland 6:00pm CST KMEZ, WIBR
Fri 28 @ Boston 6:30pm CST KMEZ, WIBR
Sun 30 @ Toronto

[mavsfan1000]

Lakers and Mavs are both teams to fear if I were a spurs fan. The Suns screwed their chances with one trade and Houston was taken out with that injury of Yao. Dallas could get much better imo with more time off between games. More practices and rest. They still got to incorporate Magloire and Lue to their lineup. The Lakers could be even more dangerous if Bynum is the real thing. I think they will have chemistry problems if they bench Luke Walton.

[41times]

The Mavs will probably lose tonight in Utah. 4 games in 5 days is the kiss of death, especially on the road. If Jho had played 80% of his normal game this past week they would be on a 6 in a row streak.

But after tonight the Mavs will win 9 of their next 10 and catch up with the Spurs a little.

The Lakers are beatable. It took 52 by Kobe, at home, getting 25 free throw attempts 50 for the team, to beat the Mavs, in Overtime, when Howard and STackhouse shot 20%.

So, yes, you better fear the Mavs and the Lakers and the Jazz and the Hornets and the rest of the west, except for maybe Denver?

Because there's gonna be some upsets come playoff time my friend.

[DazedAndConfused]

The Mavs will probably lose tonight in Utah. 4 games in 5 days is the kiss of death, especially on the road. If Jho had played 80% of his normal game this past week they would be on a 6 in a row streak.

But after tonight the Mavs will win 9 of their next 10 and catch up with the Spurs a little.

The Lakers are beatable. It took 52 by Kobe, at home, getting 25 free throw attempts 50 for the team, to beat the Mavs, in Overtime, when Howard and STackhouse shot 20%.

So, yes, you better fear the Mavs and the Lakers and the Jazz and the Hornets and the rest of the west, except for maybe Denver?

Because there's gonna be some upsets come playoff time my friend.

It also took 8 missed free throws from Kobe, our best 3pt shooter going 1/10, Odom making several boneheaded plays in the clutch, and poor shooting from everyone on our team not named Kobe for you guys to even stay in the game. And Dirk was pretty miraculous in the 4th as well. Let's just say it was a poor poor shooting night from both teams.

[Findog]

It also took 8 missed free throws from Kobe, our best 3pt shooter going 1/10, Odom making several boneheaded plays in the clutch, and poor shooting from everyone on our team not named Kobe for you guys to even stay in the game. And Dirk was pretty miraculous in the 4th as well. Let's just say it was a poor poor shooting night from both teams.

Josh and Dirk were 6-27 at one point. Both teams had their opportunities to break the game open and couldn't do it.

[DazedAndConfused]

Josh and Dirk were 6-27 at one point. Both teams had their opportunities to break the game open and couldn't do it.

Exactly, poor shooting night from both teams. Lakers were able to grind it out in the end thankfully.

[Solid D]

A Spurs v. Mavs playoff series probably means 7-games, always in doubt for both teams. The way AJ coaches it up, it boils down to Iso's, Iso's and more Iso's.

[phxspurfan]

They still got to incorporate Magloire and Lue to their lineup.

Incorporating Lue is simple: just clear a spot on the IR for him.

[mavsfan1000]

Incorporating Lue is simple: just clear a spot on the IR for him.
:rolleyes He is clearly good enough to play 12 minutes a game a la Damon Stoudemire.

[Louie Vega]

...........The Suns screwed their chances with one trade................


So did the Mavs! :lol

[mavsfan1000]

So did the Mavs! :lol
You wish. :dramaquee

[phxspurfan]

:rolleyes He is clearly good enough to play 12 minutes a game a la Damon Stoudemire.


I still remember when the Lakers tried to make Lue act like Allen Iverson in practice before the '01 finals. Then the image of A.I. walking right over Lue after hitting a shot in his face -- priceless. Mavs please try to make believe he is your Parker-stopping, Devin Harris replacement. :hungry:

[hater]

:rolleyes He is clearly good enough to play 12 minutes a game a la Damon Stoudemire.

Stoudemire >>>> Lou