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Kent_in_Atlanta
03-03-2008, 01:25 PM
The best thing that can happen for the Republican party is for conservatives to get out the vote for Hillary!

The national media would like you to think that the strong turnout in the Dem primaries are all because people are so excited about Obama. And while he does have a strong following, and is certainly well liked on the left... there is a strong anti-Hillary movement, even within the Democratic party.

If that many people are anxious to vote against Hillary in her own party... I can't wait to see the anit-Hillary vote we would benefit from in the general election. We just have to help get her there!

VOTE HILLARY!!!!!! :cheer

JoeChalupa
03-03-2008, 01:36 PM
:lmao

JoeChalupa
03-03-2008, 01:37 PM
The best thing has already happened to the republican party..........no 3rd terms allowed.

boutons_
03-03-2008, 01:47 PM
Hillary is polling as more easily beating McCain than HUSSEIN beating McCain.

Pick your poison. War-mongering, pandering, kinda stupid and simple, graceless too-old, pre-senile McCain is going down. He's actually proud and gratified to be endorsed by whackjob porker Hagee.

The Repug campaign will be gut-wrenching and gut-emptying.

JoeChalupa
03-03-2008, 02:00 PM
Oh great, now you are using the Hussein bullshit?

boutons_
03-03-2008, 02:21 PM
The name HUSSEIN doesn't bother me in the slightest.

It dis/qualifies him for the presidency as much as being a POW dis/qualifies McCain. Neither is a result of personal choice. It just happened to them.

I'm throwing it back in the face of the assholes who are (claiming to be) bothered by HUSSEIN.

HUSSEIN for President!

Old white rich men have fucked up the USA. Electing another one will guarantee more of the same elite-enriching bullshit.

JoeChalupa
03-03-2008, 02:26 PM
The name HUSSEIN doesn't bother me in the slightest.

It dis/qualifies him for the presidency as much as being a POW dis/qualifies McCain. Neither is a result of personal choice. It just happened to them.

I'm throwing it back in the face of the assholes who are (claiming to be) bothered by HUSSEIN.

HUSSEIN for President!

Old white rich men have fucked up the USA. Electing another one will guarantee more of the same elite-enriching bullshit.

Well, I was glad to see Karl Rove denounce....and reject the use of Barack's middle name by republican supporters including Rush Limbaugh.

TheProfessor
03-03-2008, 02:36 PM
Well, I was glad to see Karl Rove denounce....and reject the use of Barack's middle name by republican supporters including Rush Limbaugh.
He didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart. He just knows that using an overt xenophobic tone won't work because they're getting called out on it. They'll keep up their whisper campaigns and chain letters proclaiming Obama the Muslim Manchurian Candidate.

Kent_in_Atlanta
03-03-2008, 02:38 PM
The best thing has already happened to the republican party..........no 3rd terms allowed.

Hey, I'm not a raving Bush fan myself... but now we have a choice between a centrist and far-leftwinger.

I'd rather have McCain.

JoeChalupa
03-03-2008, 02:55 PM
McCain is a liberal....he said it himself until he caught himself. :lmao

ChumpDumper
03-03-2008, 02:56 PM
Republicans really are scared of Obama.

JoeChalupa
03-03-2008, 02:57 PM
He didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart. He just knows that using an overt xenophobic tone won't work because they're getting called out on it. They'll keep up their whisper campaigns and chain letters proclaiming Obama the Muslim Manchurian Candidate.

Probably. I can't believe how many people out there still believe all the crap about Obama being muslim and not placing his hand on the bible. 60 minutes on Sunday had some guy from Ohio who honestly didn't know it wasn't true.

TheProfessor
03-03-2008, 03:08 PM
Probably. I can't believe how many people out there still believe all the crap about Obama being muslim and not placing his hand on the bible. 60 minutes on Sunday had some guy from Ohio who honestly didn't know it wasn't true.
Ever been to Ohio?

AFBlue
03-03-2008, 03:11 PM
Republicans really are scared of Obama.

They just see this high wave he's riding right now....

But to me, he will come back down to earth in the general election.

The problem right now is that both he and Hillary have similar positions on nearly every issue, but he comes across as much more positive, likeable, and relatively less political.

In the general election it will be much less about his likeablility because both candidates will be able to draw stark contrast on the issues.

You will either be for immediate phased withdrawal from Iraq or you won't be.

You will either be for making the Bush tax cuts permanent or you won't be.

You will either be for universal health care or you won't be.

As a McCain supporter, I could care less who the opponent is in November because they both represent the same position on virtually every issue.

That is why I cast my vote for the person I would like to be our next president....hint hint, it wasn't Hillary.

JoeChalupa
03-03-2008, 04:25 PM
Ever been to Ohio?

I grew up there in a small town called Defiance. Lived there during all my school years. Moved down to SA about 16 years ago.

Go Buckeyes!!!

101A
03-03-2008, 04:36 PM
He didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart. He just knows that using an overt xenophobic tone won't work because they're getting called out on it. They'll keep up their whisper campaigns and chain letters proclaiming Obama the Muslim Manchurian Candidate.Where do you get this from?

I am on probably some pretty radical (right wing) mailing lists; and I haven't gotten any of these messages. If it's out there - it is WAY outside any kind of mainstream. You are some paranoid lefties, however.

xrayzebra
03-03-2008, 05:00 PM
Republicans really are scared of Obama.


Yep. Dimm-o-craps should be, but they haven't got
enough sense to pour water out of a boot with
instructions on the heel. But they are what they are:
dimm-o-craps.

ChumpDumper
03-03-2008, 05:02 PM
I'm really scared.

xrayzebra
03-03-2008, 05:05 PM
Chump you are typical of the people I talk about.

Posting crap. And crap is crap and you love it. Try saying
something up front. Don't post crap I didn't say.

Ignignokt
03-03-2008, 05:06 PM
hey kunt in atlanta. Fuck off.

Down with the Clinton machine once and for all!

AFBlue
03-03-2008, 05:08 PM
Yep. Dimm-o-craps should be, but they haven't got
enough sense to pour water out of a boot with
instructions on the heel. But they are what they are:
dimm-o-craps.

Why should Democrats be scared of Obama?

He stands for everything that they do on all the major issues. And he's got a positive message to go along with it. He's an unknown quantity, but the little that he has done to this point has been in line with standard Democrat policy.

Neither side should be "scared" of Obama.

DarkReign
03-03-2008, 05:11 PM
Go Buckeyes!!!

Fuck.

You.

That is all.



:p:

Spurminator
03-03-2008, 05:12 PM
Kent's going to feel really stupid if Hillary wins the Presidential Election.

xrayzebra
03-03-2008, 05:31 PM
Why should Democrats be scared of Obama?

He stands for everything that they do on all the major issues. And he's got a positive message to go along with it. He's an unknown quantity, but the little that he has done to this point has been in line with standard Democrat policy.

Neither side should be "scared" of Obama.

Yeah guess you are right. He is like Hillary and Bill and
Pelosi, and I would say Reid, but Reid doesn't know what
he stands for, just a good old Socialist. Never mind.

Just give me you money and I will spend it like I think it
should be spent. I know you needs and I am for more
change in my direction.......

rasho8
03-03-2008, 05:34 PM
Hillary is polling as more easily beating McCain than HUSSEIN beating McCain.

Pick your poison. War-mongering, pandering, kinda stupid and simple, graceless too-old, pre-senile McCain is going down. He's actually proud and gratified to be endorsed by whackjob porker Hagee.

The Repug campaign will be gut-wrenching and gut-emptying.

Wait for it... wait for it.... there it is

WELCOME TO THE RACE NADER!!!

Goodbye Democratic President

:hungry: :hungry: :hungry: :hungry: :hungry:

mikejones99
03-03-2008, 07:14 PM
Iron my shirt

Holt's Cat
03-03-2008, 09:24 PM
I'm voting for Ron Paul and you should too.

Nbadan
03-04-2008, 01:48 AM
Ron Paul


:lmao

Nbadan
03-04-2008, 01:49 AM
Wait for it... wait for it.... there it is

WELCOME TO THE RACE NADER!!!

Goodbye Democratic President

:hungry: :hungry: :hungry: :hungry: :hungry:


...Nader is insignificant....

Nbadan
03-04-2008, 02:55 AM
I can't for the life of me help but wonder why Republicans want to fuck around and keep Clinton around for the general election...I mean, it's not hard to cross party lines in Texas...Texas Republicans have the opportunity to put the final nail in the Hillary coffin...she's not likely to be Obama's VP....so she would be out till 2016, at least...if Hillary wins Texas tomorrow Texas Republican should hang their heads in shame....

Holt's Cat
03-04-2008, 08:02 AM
Eh, fuck you.

rascal
03-04-2008, 08:02 AM
Republicans really are scared of Obama.

No doubt. So scared they are willing to vote for Hillary.

Holt's Cat
03-04-2008, 08:28 AM
I can't for the life of me help but wonder why Republicans want to fuck around and keep Clinton around for the general election...I mean, it's not hard to cross party lines in Texas...Texas Republicans have the opportunity to put the final nail in the Hillary coffin...she's not likely to be Obama's VP....so she would be out till 2016, at least...if Hillary wins Texas tomorrow Texas Republican should hang their heads in shame....

No, that would be the Obama campaign.

word
03-04-2008, 11:21 AM
:lmao

Sadly enough, I think he's right Chalupe. I think a lot of Obamas vote, well not a lot, but enough to matter, are anti-Hillary votes.

Johnny_Blaze_47
03-04-2008, 12:03 PM
WOAI had a story last night about local Republicans getting the vote out for Obama because they think he'd be easier to beat than Clinton.

JoeChalupa
03-04-2008, 12:21 PM
Sadly enough, I think he's right Chalupe. I think a lot of Obamas vote, well not a lot, but enough to matter, are anti-Hillary votes.

Any vote against another candidate is an "anti" vote, IMO.

JoeChalupa
03-04-2008, 12:23 PM
WOAI had a story last night about local Republicans getting the vote out for Obama because they think he'd be easier to beat than Clinton.

I've also heard it the other way around. Voting for Hillary because they think the anti-Hillary vote will help McCain.

angel_luv
03-04-2008, 12:26 PM
I've also heard it the other way around. Voting for Hillary because they think the anti-Hillary vote will help McCain.


That is what Rush Limbaugh has been pushing.

Disclaimer: I only know because I have to have a security escort when going to the bank for work and one of the officers always has Rush's show on.

angel_luv
03-04-2008, 12:27 PM
Personally I think it is a bad idea to vote for someone you do not want in office in the hopes of helping your chosen person.

What if the strategy backfires?

JoeChalupa
03-04-2008, 12:30 PM
That is what Rush Limbaugh has been pushing.

Disclaimer: I only know because I have to have a security escort when going to the bank for work and one of the officers always has Rush's show on.

I listen to Rush so I know what fuels the conservatives.

angel_luv
03-04-2008, 12:36 PM
I listen to Rush so I know what fuels the conservatives.

Valid point.


I am not a fan of Rush's show. I can listen to it if someone has it on but never think to tune into it on my own.

But to be fair, I am not much for talk radio in general.

BonnerDynasty
03-04-2008, 12:58 PM
I can't for the life of me help but wonder why Republicans want to fuck around and keep Clinton around for the general election...I mean, it's not hard to cross party lines in Texas...Texas Republicans have the opportunity to put the final nail in the Hillary coffin...she's not likely to be Obama's VP....so she would be out till 2016, at least...if Hillary wins Texas tomorrow Texas Republican should hang their heads in shame....

You know this country is fucked when TEXAS is a key deciding vote for Hillary. It's hard enough being anti-Cali, we'd want to believe we are among the last states that will fall to this weakening America.

Sad day for the State. Sad times.

Kent_in_Atlanta
03-04-2008, 03:32 PM
hey kunt in atlanta. Fuck off.

Down with the Clinton machine once and for all!


Ignignorant, Suck my dick.

Oh NO! I've reduced myself to your level. I guess now I'll have to quit my job and move into my parents basement so I can be more like you. :toast

PixelPusher
03-04-2008, 04:14 PM
Personally I think it is a bad idea to vote for someone you do not want in office in the hopes of helping your chosen person.

What if the strategy backfires?

dav4463
03-05-2008, 07:21 AM
A vote for Hillary is an anti-Obama vote and that is good. Obama has a lot of people under his spell and that's scary. If Obama wins, we may not have a military after his reign. So, yes, today I voted for Hillary and next time I will vote for McCain.

J.T.
03-05-2008, 07:27 AM
Anyone that voted for Hillary may as well turn in their stars and stripes and get on the boat to Europe because you're not American anymore.

J.T.
03-05-2008, 07:34 AM
Hillary is the only candidate out of all of them that would make me vote for a Republican in the general election. And that's sad that a candidate is so awful, people would betray their own party. Just like all of you conservoids did yesterday when you voted for her because you're so shit scared of Obama.

I'd just as soon give Dirk Nowitzki head than vote for Hillary Fucking Clinton.

DarkReign
03-05-2008, 09:22 AM
Anyone that voted for Hillary may as well turn in their stars and stripes and get on the boat to Europe because you're not American anymore.

Well, you can start in your own state. And you dont have to look further than your local Republicans to find out who voted for whom.

I seen a graphic last night on CNN

Texas votes:

Total Dem Voters: 1.4 million
Total Rep Voters: 700k

McCain is your next President.

EDITED:

:lmao Those numbers were obviously not final. The final numbers:

TEXAS
Dem Votes: 2.8 million
Rep Votes: 1.3 million

:lmao :lmao :lmao A supposed Red state had Dems voting over 2:1 to Reps. :lmao

The Dems are fucked.

angel_luv
03-05-2008, 10:58 AM
Ugh! Hilary wins Texas. Rush Limbaugh is going to be unbearable.

I hope I don't get the officer who listens to the show as my security escort today.

ploto
03-05-2008, 02:27 PM
WOAI had a story last night about local Republicans getting the vote out for Obama because they think he'd be easier to beat than Clinton.
1/3 of the voters in the Texas Democratic primary were actually Republicans and they supported Obama 53-47-- goes to show they think he is easier to beat than her.

Wild Cobra
03-05-2008, 06:00 PM
The only way I see it a good thing for republicans and non-aligned conservatives to vote for Hillary is to take the democrat party into chaos. If Hillary wins the total delegate count, but Obama has a lead with the pledged delegates... The shit will hit the fan!

Yonivore
03-05-2008, 08:50 PM
Hillary is the only candidate out of all of them that would make me vote for a Republican in the general election. And that's sad that a candidate is so awful, people would betray their own party. Just like all of you conservoids did yesterday when you voted for her because you're so shit scared of Obama.

I'd just as soon give Dirk Nowitzki head than vote for Hillary Fucking Clinton.
Exactly why we voted for Hillary...IN THE PRIMARY. Thanks for making the point.

AFBlue
03-05-2008, 10:09 PM
Wait...so did any Republican on this forum actually vote for Hillary? Anyone know someone who is a Republican that did?

I do....found out today that my wife's stepmother did it. Personally, I think she's an idiot.

Yonivore
03-05-2008, 10:32 PM
Wait...so did any Republican on this forum actually vote for Hillary? Anyone know someone who is a Republican that did?

I do....found out today that my wife's stepmother did it. Personally, I think she's an idiot.
Well, I'm a Libertarian that typically votes Republican in national elections and I (as did my wife) voted for Hillary. I almost slipped in the vomit of all the Republicans that had done the same earlier in the day.

J.T.
03-05-2008, 10:35 PM
Exactly why we voted for Hillary...IN THE PRIMARY. Thanks for making the point.

Well Conservoid, I hope you sleep better at night knowing you betrayed your party and voted for the Antichrist.

AFBlue
03-05-2008, 10:35 PM
Well, I'm a Libertarian that typically votes Republican in national elections and I (as did my wife) voted for Hillary. I almost slipped in the vomit of all the Republicans that had done the same earlier in the day.

Wow...

Okay, just trying to figure out how widespread this phenomenon is....getting a relative sampling.

Just curious, and in all seriousness, would you rather have Obama or Hillary in the White House?

Because it seems like an awefully big risk if she happens to use the win in Texas to vault her to the nomination and ends up beating McCain in the general....if you despise her.

A calculated risk, but a big one nonetheless.

Yonivore
03-05-2008, 10:42 PM
Wow...

Okay, just trying to figure out how widespread this phenomenon is....getting a relative sampling.

Just curious, and in all seriousness, would you rather have Obama or Hillary in the White House?

Because it seems like an awefully big risk if she happens to use the win in Texas to vault her to the nomination and ends up beating McCain in the general....if you despise her.

A calculated risk, but a big one nonetheless.
I'd rather have Clinton than Obama but, I don't think there's anyway in Hell she beats McCain...especially since she's starting with a 49% negative and almost as many Democrats as Republicans can't stand her.

Yonivore
03-05-2008, 10:43 PM
Well Conservoid, I hope you sleep better at night knowing you betrayed your party and voted for the Antichrist.
How'd I betray my party? I voted for the Democrat most likely to lose in November.

And, the anti-Christ is supposed to be charismatic.

Considering how well Obama caucused in Texas, I'd say there were quite few Republicans that cast their vote for Hillary but just couldn't stomach the thought of actually caucusing for her...

AFBlue
03-05-2008, 11:05 PM
I'd rather have Clinton than Obama but, I don't think there's anyway in Hell she beats McCain...especially since she's starting with a 49% negative and almost as many Democrats as Republicans can't stand her.

I guess you sit in a pretty good situation then. If the "worst case scenario" comes to pass, you could still live with the fact that the democrat you potentially helped secure the party nomination on her way to the White House was the lesser of two evils.

I do disagree with you about Hillary's chances if she is the Dem nominee. As much negative feeling as there is about Hillary, I think there's equal or more negative feeling about the Republican party.

You can't attribute ALL of the overwhelming Dem primary voter turnout to Obama can you?

I think McCain probably has a BETTER chance against Hillary, but I wouldn't call it a slam dunk.

Mr. Peabody
03-05-2008, 11:07 PM
Wait...so did any Republican on this forum actually vote for Hillary? Anyone know someone who is a Republican that did?

I do....found out today that my wife's stepmother did it. Personally, I think she's an idiot.

Laura Ingraham had people calling in all day who said they did exactly that. I doubt it had any real effect. However, maybe I am not giving Limbaugh enough credit.

Mr. Peabody
03-05-2008, 11:14 PM
I'd rather have Clinton than Obama but, I don't think there's anyway in Hell she beats McCain...especially since she's starting with a 49% negative and almost as many Democrats as Republicans can't stand her.

Well, that was Limbaugh's defense today. He said that if McCain can start the presidential campaign with 49% of the electorate already against the other candidate, he might actually win.

AFBlue
03-05-2008, 11:14 PM
Laura Ingraham had people calling in all day who said they did exactly that. I doubt it had any real effect. However, maybe I am not giving Limbaugh enough credit.

I should also probably clarify the "idiot" statement about my wife's stepmother...

I don't think everyone that did this is an "idiot", but I know her to be one...so this fits right in line with her thinking. :lol

For example, there was little risk for Yoni to do it because he'd actually prefer Hillary to Obama if a Dem is elected. I doubt that is the same sentiment for many of the others that decided to do this...given all of the "negatives" she has on the Republican side.

Yonivore
03-05-2008, 11:22 PM
Laura Ingraham had people calling in all day who said they did exactly that. I doubt it had any real effect. However, maybe I am not giving Limbaugh enough credit.
I don't listen to Rush and, possibly, there were many of us that reached the same conclusion, independently.

Mr. Peabody
03-05-2008, 11:25 PM
I don't listen to Rush and, possibly, there were many of us that reached the same conclusion, independently.

I have no doubt that's true. It seems like an obvious tactic if the strategy is to throw the Democratic primary into chaos. However, I do think Rush was the most visible supporter the tactic.

Mavtek
03-05-2008, 11:54 PM
Voted Ron Paul, and it felt damn good to do it. Screw Hillary.

Ignignokt
03-06-2008, 03:05 AM
If we were gonna ban gay marriage, ban marriage between dittoheads and Yonivores.

LazinessThievery
03-06-2008, 04:11 AM
Naturally the Re-Ku-Klux-Klan party doesn't want Hilary or Obama to win. It'd be their worst nightmare having a woman or a "colored" person be president because it might lead to, god forbid, women and African-American becoming more active in terms of participating in society and acquiring more power and influence, and as the Republicans' favorite philosopher Adolf Hitler said, "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms."

If it looks like Obama or Hilary are about to win the presidency over McCain, I bet Pat Robertson and his buddies David Duke and Trent Lott and the rest of the women-and-nigg_r-hating Republicans hire a hitter to take them out Obama and justify it afterwards by quoting a Bible verse or three and/or Hitler: "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." Wonder how Condoleeza feels having to constantly watch her back.

It's a shame a good guy like John McCain has to associate with such scum.

Yonivore
03-06-2008, 08:03 AM
Naturally the Re-Ku-Klux-Klan party doesn't want Hilary or Obama to win. It'd be their worst nightmare having a woman or a "colored" person be president because it might lead to, god forbid, women and African-American becoming more active in terms of participating in society and acquiring more power and influence, and as the Republicans' favorite philosopher Adolf Hitler said, "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms."
It's not their sex or race that is the drawback. Besides, there are blacks and women in the Republican Party, some of whom would be welcome contenders for the party's nomination. The first two that come to mind are Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice. Granted, both have fallen out of favor but not because of their race or sex. And, the reasons Obama and Clinton aren't at the top of Republicans' list of desirable candidates is because of their ideology, not their biology.

But, your post does illustrate the reason Republicans want the Clinton/Obama show to continue for as long as possible. Clinton can say the same things Republicans would be saying about Obama and not get painted as a racist. Obama can do likewise and not be painted as a sexist. Republicans can sit and watch the show.


If it looks like Obama or Hilary are about to win the presidency over McCain, I bet Pat Robertson and his buddies David Duke and Trent Lott and the rest of the women-and-nigg_r-hating Republicans hire a hitter to take them out Obama and justify it afterwards by quoting a Bible verse or three and/or Hitler: "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." Wonder how Condoleeza feels having to constantly watch her back.

It's a shame a good guy like John McCain has to associate with such scum.
Well, there's a mouthful.

Mr. Peabody
03-06-2008, 09:40 AM
It's not their sex or race that is the drawback. Besides, there are blacks and women in the Republican Party, some of whom would be welcome contenders for the party's nomination. The first two that come to mind are Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice. Granted, both have fallen out of favor but not because of their race or sex.

Do you really think Colin Powell has fallen that far out of favor? I agree that Condi is too closely aligned with Bush in the eyes of the voters, but I didn't think Powell was seen in that same manner.

Yonivore
03-06-2008, 09:47 AM
Do you really think Colin Powell has fallen that far out of favor? I agree that Condi is too closely aligned with Bush in the eyes of the voters, but I didn't think Powell was seen in that same manner.
I was talking about with Republicans, not with the general population. I would agree with you that Powell is viewed more favorably among Democrats now that he's out of the administration. But, Rice is walking a hard road in that she's viewed as a Bush acolyte by the Left and is viewed with disdain by the right for the way she's conducted affairs at State.

ploto
03-06-2008, 09:59 AM
I hate again to attempt to confuse your discussion with actual facts but the majority of Republicans who voted in the Texas Democratic primary voted for Obama- not Clinton. The Republicans did not help her win Texas- they actually made her margin of victory smaller.

Yonivore
03-06-2008, 10:22 AM
I hate again to attempt to confuse your discussion with actual facts but the majority of Republicans who voted in the Texas Democratic primary voted for Obama- not Clinton. The Republicans did not help her win Texas- they actually made her margin of victory smaller.
On what do you base your assertion?

Because, the way I see it; the proof is in the Caucus. Obama did well in the caucus because the Republicans that voted in the Democratic Primary didn't show up for the Caucus. That means Hillary's showing in the Primary election is largely due to the Republicans that held their noses and voted for her.

Sure, there were many Republicans voting for Obama but, Hillary took the Primary election because of the Republicans that voted for her.

Kent_in_Atlanta
03-06-2008, 11:40 AM
Wow...

Okay, just trying to figure out how widespread this phenomenon is....getting a relative sampling.

Just curious, and in all seriousness, would you rather have Obama or Hillary in the White House?

Because it seems like an awefully big risk if she happens to use the win in Texas to vault her to the nomination and ends up beating McCain in the general....if you despise her.

A calculated risk, but a big one nonetheless.

Phat Tony, 6 or half a dozen... take your pick. They're really pretty much the same on the issues. They have slightly different ideas on how to get to the same end.

I think either one of them would be a disaster.

Kent_in_Atlanta
03-06-2008, 11:42 AM
Do you really think Colin Powell has fallen that far out of favor? I agree that Condi is too closely aligned with Bush in the eyes of the voters, but I didn't think Powell was seen in that same manner.

I would agree. I don't think Powell is perceived as being all that closely aligned with Bush. He bailed after the first term, and was long rumored to be not entirely on board with the administrations policies.

SAGambler
03-06-2008, 02:06 PM
Old white rich men have fucked up the USA. Electing another one will guarantee more of the same elite-enriching bullshit.

Actually, I think it's more along the line of old money families, who are so greedy, they want to rule the world, that have fucked the U.S.

ploto
03-06-2008, 07:11 PM
On what do you base your assertion?

Because, the way I see it; the proof is in the Caucus. Obama did well in the caucus because the Republicans that voted in the Democratic Primary didn't show up for the Caucus. That means Hillary's showing in the Primary election is largely due to the Republicans that held their noses and voted for her.

Sure, there were many Republicans voting for Obama but, Hillary took the Primary election because of the Republicans that voted for her.


MSNBC exit polls in Texas:

No matter how you voted today, do you usually think of yourself as

Category Clinton Obama
Democrat 53 46
Republican 46 53
Independent or something else 48 49

See Republicans voted for Obama 53 to 46% and Democrats voted for Hillary 53 to 46% with independents almost tied (Obama 49 to 48). So even if you combine Reps and Inds they still supported Obama over Hillary. Her margin of victory among Democrats was greater than her margin in the overall election.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21226009

Your claim is false based upon a flawed assumption.

clambake
03-06-2008, 07:24 PM
I would agree. I don't think Powell is perceived as being all that closely aligned with Bush. He bailed after the first term, and was long rumored to be not entirely on board with the administrations policies.
yeah, i like him. he was the only honest one that came out and admitted that the evidence for war was "deliberately misleading".

Mr. Peabody
03-06-2008, 08:18 PM
MSNBC exit polls in Texas:

No matter how you voted today, do you usually think of yourself as

Category Clinton Obama
Democrat 53 46
Republican 46 53
Independent or something else 48 49

See Republicans voted for Obama 53 to 46% and Democrats voted for Hillary 53 to 46% with independents almost tied (Obama 49 to 48). So even if you combine Reps and Inds they still supported Obama over Hillary. Her margin of victory among Democrats was greater than her margin in the overall election.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21226009

Your claim is false based upon a flawed assumption.

Well....

2,818,599 people voted in the Democratic primary.

Going by exit polls 22% of them self-identified as "conservative." Now, this doesn't necessarily represent the real number. People who are this devious are devious enough to lie on the exit polls. But, at least 22% of the electorate said they were conservative.

Of that 22%, 52% said they voted for Clinton. Let's think about this. How many conservatives do you know love the Clintons? I can't think of a single one. Every conservative I know absolutely loathes them.

Could this have effected the results?

22% of 2,818,599 is 620,091.78
52% of 620,091.78 is 322,447.73

Rounding that is 322,448 conservative votes for Clinton.

Clinton won Texas by 101,029 votes.

The conservative vote for Clinton in TX was more than double her margin of victory.


It's a similar story in Texas, where Limbaugh has the most listeners of any of these states. Obama won the Republican vote 52-47, but conservatives (22 percent of all voters, up from 15 percent in the Kerry-Edwards primary) went against Obama. For the first time since Super Tuesday, they were Clinton's best ideological group: She won them 53-43. And Clinton won 13 percent of the people who said Obama was the most electable candidate.

Ohio didn't wind up being very close, but Clinton won the Texas primary by about 98,000 votes out of 2.8 million cast. If the exits are right, about 252,000 of those voters were Republicans, and about 618,000 were conservatives. Clinton truly might have won the Texas primary on the backs of Rush Limbaugh listeners.

ploto
03-06-2008, 09:50 PM
22% of 2,818,599 is 620,091.78
52% of 620,091.78 is 322,447.73

Rounding that is 322,448 conservative votes for Clinton.

Clinton won Texas by 101,029 votes.

Sorry but based upon your numbers, Obama got 297,644 votes from conservatives. That means she only got 24,804 more votes from conservatives than he did- and her margin of victory then among those not considered conservative was about 80,000. So if only the non-conservatives voted, she still would have won. Try again.