Texas Primary Results/Updates

[Holt's Cat]

CNN currently has

Obama 60%
Clinton 39%

...with <1% precincts reporting.

[Holt's Cat]

Nothing yet on the GOP. McCain could lock it up with Texas if he gets a large enough margin.

[Holt's Cat]

McCain 56%
Huckabee 34%
Paul 9%

[Warlord23]

Too early to comment, but hope this holds up throughout TX

[some_user86]

The Texas map (county by county results by CNN):

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/county/#TXDEMMAPprimary

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Right now it's playing to Obama's strongholds, so it should get much closer by the end of the night.

[Nbadan]

yipes...

[Holt's Cat]

Clinton ahead in Bexar Co. 54%-45%

[Nbadan]

Loving county on the hook only has about 25 demos...

:lol

[Holt's Cat]

Obama up on Clinton 56%-43% with close to 900k votes in.

[some_user86]

Excuse my political naivete, but I never paid much attention to the primaries and "% precinct reporting" numbers before. I had always just waited for the 'CNN experts' to declare the results.

Having said that, what the hell does "1% precinct reporting" mean when ~1 million votes have already come in. Texas has, what, maybe 20 million people max. What the hell does that mean then?

I mean I can analyze results from a political science perspective, but I am not a political statistician. So forgive me for a n00b question.

[Nbadan]

You gotta remember that there are precincts in Texas with not a lot of people, so even though you see only 1% reporting, those precincts that have reported are from dense population centers like Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin....

[some_user86]

You gotta remember that there are precincts in Texas with not a lot of people, so even though you see only 1% reporting, those precincts that have reported are from dense population centers like Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin....

Then what are the average number of voters in Texas Democratic primaries (given that this year has had a huge number of increase in primary voters)?

[Holt's Cat]

McCain wins Texas and wins GOP nomination per CNN.

[some_user86]

Nevermind, 13 million registered voters according to wikipedia.

[some_user86]

McCain wins Texas and wins GOP nomination per CNN.

Heh, big surprise.

[some_user86]

54-45 Obama leading Hillary with 2% reporting according to CNN. Already getting close.

[Nbadan]

You gotta remember that the early numbers include the early voting too...so the numbers are big....

[some_user86]

Yeah, this is why I usually go to sleep on election night and just shift through the results the next day. Like I said, I can analyze the results, I just can't stand the minute-by-minute reporting of the results.

I guess I am gonna go switch over the game to stop looking at this.

[some_user86]

I think Texas might hold for Obama. But damn, what a beating in Ohio.

[Holt's Cat]

I think Texas might hold for Obama. But damn, what a beating in Ohio.

Are Cleveland and Cincinnati reporting yet?

[Nbadan]

both are reporting only early voting numbers

[Nbadan]

Obama's lead is down to 20K in Texas 16% reporting

[possessed]

Texas is slipping away.

[some_user86]

Fuck.

[Nbadan]

Like I said, he doesn't have to win Texas, he just has to keep it close....he has the delegates to win already just by winning the states he already leads in....

[some_user86]

Well, Dallas is only reporting 4% and Houston is only reporting 1%.

[xrayzebra]

Well, Dallas is only reporting 4% and Houston is only reporting 1%.

The x-spurts say Houston will go Obama and Dallas/Ft Worth
may also. They both have large black populations, but
both of them also have large Hispanic populations too. So
I will take the Spurts predictions with a grain of salt.

Like you I am about ready for bed and just read the
papers in the morning and find out how it all played out.
I'll bet they will get along just fine without me.....
:elephant

[Extra Stout]

Obama 699,326
Clinton 694,281

21% reporting

[possessed]

Wow, a difference of 2,000.

[Holt's Cat]

1,500 difference. Maybe she'll get to drag this out and really make an ass out of herself.

[Holt's Cat]

<600 votes.

[Extra Stout]

Down to 600.

[Yonivore]

1,500 difference. Maybe she'll get to drag this out and really make an ass out of herself.
The Republicans that voted for her are hoping she'll make an ass out of Obama, as well. :donkey :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant

[Holt's Cat]

Now she's ahead.

[Holt's Cat]

Yay for the same old, same old.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

ExtraStout is the definitive source of all things hillary related.

Yonivore: You're on notice.

[Extra Stout]

Obama down 1,700 (I read it backwards).

[Holt's Cat]

Doesn't look like much of the vote from DFW and Houston is in.

[Extra Stout]

Clinton up 7,000.

[Yonivore]

ExtraStout is the definitive source of all things hillary related.

Yonivore: You're on notice.
I hope this train wreck lasts right up until Convention. Hey, and whomever gave me the tip on not having to have my registration stamped "Democrat," thanks!

[Holt's Cat]

I hope this train wreck lasts right up until Convention. Hey, and whomever gave me the tip on not having to have my registration stamped "Democrat," thanks!

Be careful what you wish for.

[Extra Stout]

Spurs up 14.

[Yonivore]

Be careful what you wish for.
I am.

[Holt's Cat]

Only 1% of Harris County in. Only 9% for Travis. Only 13% for Dallas County. She won't win Texas.

[Extra Stout]

Clinton up 11,000 now.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Damn I expected Ron Paul to do immensely better in the Austin area.
I am officially sad.

[Extra Stout]

Clinton up 19,000.

[Yonivore]

Damn I expected Ron Paul to do immensely better in the Austin area.
I am officially sad.
In every sense of the word.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

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rofl
someone call the timvp and tell him Reagan is not running this year

[Holt's Cat]

Sad = Republicans voting in Democrat primary. Support your own damn party.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Sad = Republicans voting in Democrat primary. Support your own damn party.


I haven't paid much thought to this idea. Who is it the republicans would vote for again, and why?

[Yonivore]

Sad = Republicans voting in Democrat primary. Support your own damn party.
Who says voting in the Democratic Primary so you can watch Obama and Clinton continue to beat each other up, isn't supporting your own party in November?

Besides, all the Republican races in my precinct are already decided. Only two (President and State Representative) had multiple candidates anyway.

[Holt's Cat]

Don't blame me, I voted for Dr. Paul.

[Holt's Cat]

Who says voting in the Democratic Primary so you can watch Obama and Clinton continue to beat each other up, isn't supporting your own party in November?

Besides, all the Republican races in my precinct are already decided. Only two (President and State Representative) had multiple candidates anyway.

It isn't. Voting for Her Majesty in the Democrat primary is voting for Hillary F'in Clinton in the Democrat primary. Good job.

[Yonivore]

I haven't paid much thought to this idea. Who is it the republicans would vote for again, and why?
Well, for the uninformed, if Hillary loses Texas or Ohio, Obama is the nominee and spends the next 8 months in a pissing contest with the Republican candidate. If Hillary wins both, he's still got her to contend with.

Then, if we're lucky, she's gets the nomination and McCain hands her ass to her in the general election.

There, is your question answered?

[Yonivore]

It isn't. Voting for Her Majesty in the Democrat primary is voting for Hillary F'in Clinton in the Democrat primary. Good job.
Yep, it appears the plan is working. Good job, indeed.

[Holt's Cat]

The Clintons know how to win presidential elections. Take a look at the '04 results when Bush still had some pull nationwide. It won't take much to flip a couple of red states to blue. Clinton is the stronger general election candidate.

Good job.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Well, for the uninformed, if Hillary loses Texas or Ohio, Obama is the nominee and spends the next 8 months in a pissing contest with the Republican candidate. If Hillary wins both, he's still got her to contend with.

Then, if we're lucky, she's gets the nomination and McCain hands her ass to her in the general election.

There, is your question answered?


Will there be any reliable source after this primary to determine how many republicans voted and who they voted for, or is this all hypotheticals with circumstantial evidence?

[Yonivore]

The Clintons know how to win presidential elections. Take a look at the '04 results when Bush still has some pull nationwide. It won't take much to flip a couple of red states to blue. Clinton is the stronger general election candidate.

Good job.
Hillary ain't Bill and, in this race, Bill can't be Bill. I also think the Clinton machine is crumbling ... hell, much of it has defected to Obama.

[Yonivore]

Will there be any reliable source after this primary to determine how many republicans voted and who they voted for, or is this all hypotheticals with circumstantial evidence?
All I know is that I was in a line of about 40 "Democrats" at my precinct and, in the time I waited to vote (about 10 to 15 minutes), not one voter walked up to the Republican table.

It's all anecdotal and no, there's no way to know for certain, but, hell, if I voted for Hillary Clinton, I'm sure there are others...

[Holt's Cat]

This will be a good thread to bump in early November.

[Yonivore]

Will there be any reliable source after this primary to determine how many republicans voted and who they voted for, or is this all hypotheticals with circumstantial evidence?
Oh, and one more thing...who cares if it can be proven, the fact remains...we have what we want; Hillary Clinton is still in the race.

[RashoFan]

Hillary just said "How goes Ohio, so goes the nation" oh dear God...I want to throw up!

[BonnerDynasty]

Oh, and one more thing...who cares if it can be proven, the fact remains...we have what we want; Hillary Clinton is still in the race.

And if she becomes president will you all feel like idiots?

[Yonivore]

And if she becomes president will you all feel like idiots?
Nope...she'd be better than Obama. And, McCain's not much better than her.

[Extra Stout]

Hillary now up by 34,000 votes.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Apparently Hillary is winning in only one urban center in Texas... San Antonio?

[Extra Stout]

Apparently Hillary is winning in only one urban center in Texas... San Antonio?
San Antonio, El Paso, and the Valley.

[Budkin]

I just stood in line for 3 hours in Austin to caucus for Obama... come on and pull this out!

[Extra Stout]

Hillary up nearly 42,000.

Edit: make that 45,000.

[Spurminator]

Nope...she'd be better than Obama.


Please elaborate.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Nope...she'd be better than Obama. And, McCain's not much better than her.

You're right, especially when you take a look at what their spending proposals would cost America:

http://www.ntu.org/images/2008pres_total.png

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Why are Hispanics so hesitant to vote for an African American? CNN exit polls give Clinton a huge victor among the latino population in every age group above 30

[Yonivore]

Please elaborate.
Aw, do I have to? I'm tired.

She won't surrender in Iraq. And, I doubt she'll negotiate with our enemies as Barak is proposing...

Beyond that, there's not much difference.

[Extra Stout]

Why are Hispanics so hesitant to vote for an African American? CNN exit polls give Clinton a huge victor among the latino population in every age group above 30
"Hesitant?" The data I see looks more like "vehemently opposed."

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Why are Hispanics so hesitant to vote for an African American? CNN exit polls give Clinton a huge victor among the latino population in every age group above 30


Because they're susceptible to bigotry and ignorance just like any other race, don't grasp the concept of divide and conquer, and they love running on this imaginary widespread feud between blacks and hispanics that was concocted for this very purpose.


Talking in real life to hispanics justification for their barack hatred (not hilary love) has been rooted in racism 100% for me, i dont know about ya'll, but I'm pretty disgusted by my peeps.

[Extra Stout]

Hillary up 51,000. I don't think Houston and Dallas have enough left to overcome the difference. Turnout in El Paso and the Valley was enormous and went 70-30 for Hillary. The networks should be calling Texas for Hillary soon.

[Yonivore]

This is going to be fun.

[Extra Stout]

Because they're susceptible to bigotry and ignorance just like any other race, don't grasp the concept of divide and conquer, and they love running on this imaginary widespread feud between blacks and hispanics that was concocted for this very purpose.


Talking in real life to hispanics justification for their barack hatred (not hilary love) has been rooted in racism 100% for me, i dont know about ya'll, but I'm pretty disgusted by my peeps.
LA Times ran a poll on this. The overwhelming majority of Mexican-Americans in the United States claim an overt prejudice againt blacks.

[Extra Stout]

I think we should be encouraging the media to call Hispanics a bunch of anti-black racists. That will promote Democratic unity.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Basically Hillary is winning because of the hispanic vote. WGAF, because they said hispanics are supposed to like and vote Clinton like 1 and a half months ago.

I can at least be pleased by the fact that very few superdelegates are hispanic, lol.

[Yonivore]

LA Times ran a poll on this. The overwhelming majority of Mexican-Americans in the United States claim an overt prejudice againt blacks.
So much fun! Can't wait to see Hillary triangulate this mess.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

LA Times ran a poll on this. The overwhelming majority of Mexican-Americans in the United States claim an overt prejudice againt blacks.



It works both ways, and its all bull shit. Classic divide and conquer. Every time I've asked a hispanic why he would not vote for obama, or where this enmity is coming from, it's easy to figure out that its all based on bigotry.

And that is flat out sad. The ignorance is what gets me, because I keep saying that if you look at the facts, they're almost mirror image candidates.

[Yonivore]

I think we should be encouraging the media to call Hispanics a bunch of anti-black racists. That will promote Democratic unity.
:lmao

[Extra Stout]

Most of Dallas and Austin are in now. With the latest batch of Houston votes, Hillary actually gained. Hillary is up 55,000, and I don't see anyplace left for Obama to make up that difference.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

It's funny because I have interacted with a lot of hispanic immigrants over the years and I've never met a single hispanic that i found to be biggoted.... generally just good natured, hard working people

[Extra Stout]

It's funny because I have interacted with a lot of hispanic immigrants over the years and I've never met a single hispanic that i found to be biggoted.... generally just good natured, hard working people
Would you expect them to try to light you on fire or something?

[jcrod]

Basically Hillary is winning because of the hispanic vote. WGAF, because they said hispanics are supposed to like and vote Clinton like 1 and a half months ago.

I can at least be pleased by the fact that very few superdelegates are hispanic, lol.


As opposed to Barrack getting all/majority of black votes because he's black??

[Extra Stout]

As opposed to Barrack getting all/majority of black votes because he's black??
Let's see, blacks voted for Obama because he's black.

Evangelicals voted for Huckabee because he's an evangelical.

Mormons voted for Romney because he's a Mormon.

Hispanics voted for Clinton because she's a proud Latina.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

As opposed to Barrack getting all/majority of black votes because he's black??


i did say this bigotry goes both ways

but

in this case

I feel that voting for a candidate because you are the same race is slightly less lame than voting against a candidate because he is a race you dislike.

Extra Stout fleshes out the logic in his own way. Either way you slice it, voting against someone for racist reasons makes me look upon people who did it with anger.

[Extra Stout]

When Mississippi gets wind of this, it's just going to kill the fortunes of all those immigration hardliners there.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

It's funny because I have interacted with a lot of hispanic immigrants over the years and I've never met a single hispanic that i found to be biggoted.... generally just good natured, hard working people


hispanic immigrants are mostly non voters, i was assuming we were talking about hispanic citizens here, 1st through nth generation.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It works both ways, and its all bull shit. Classic divide and conquer. Every time I've asked a hispanic why he would not vote for obama, or where this enmity is coming from, it's easy to figure out that its all based on bigotry.

And that is flat out sad. The ignorance is what gets me, because I keep saying that if you look at the facts, they're almost mirror image candidates.

That can't be right, it's supposed to be the white people that are racist. Get Jesse Jackson on the phone.

[word]

lol .....

L ...oh...frickin'....L

[Extra Stout]

i did say this bigotry goes both ways

but

in this case

I feel that voting for a candidate because you are the same race is slightly less lame than voting against a candidate because he is a race you dislike.

Extra Stout fleshes out the logic in his own way. Either way you slice it, voting against someone for racist reasons makes me look upon people who did it with anger.
What's especially hilarious was to watch like half the Mexican liberals in this forum apostasize away from the Democratic Party when it was looking like Obama might win.

One of these days a latter-day Richard Nixon is going to develop una Estrategia del Sur to exploit this.

[Extra Stout]

Barack's lead in Harris County has gone from 62-38 down to 58-41 as the votes come in. The East End is toooooooootally representing for Hillary.

[some_user86]

Well... I am riding the Obama gravy train as far as it goes. I didn't think he would get out of Iowa because he was black. So I was wrong from the get go. In fact, I have been wrong about predicting this election every step of the way. So let me tell what I think will happen now. I predict Hillary will be the candidate. Which, given my current streak, means that Obama will be the candidate. If not... then screw it, I am writing in Ron Paul. Or maybe a ficus tree.

It's not like my vote matters anyways. Texas is voting McCain come November regardless. I might as well sit at home and eat marshmallows.

I guess there are worse choices than him. (Please, oh please, trust your gut and remember fiscal responsibility if you get to the White House, Mr. McCain! Don't be Bush-lite!)

[Extra Stout]

CNN just projected Clinton as the winner in Texas.

[SA210]

Go Hillary! :smokin

[Xylus]

Lame. Fuck you, Texas.

[Extra Stout]

I hate darkies!

[SA210]

I make up things to feel better about myself!

[braeden0613]

Wow this is good entertainment

[jcrod]

Let's see, blacks voted for Obama because he's black.

Evangelicals voted for Huckabee because he's an evangelical.

Mormons voted for Romney because he's a Mormon.

Hispanics voted for Clinton because she's a proud Latina.


You didn't know her great great grandfather dated a Mexican. :lol

No, but i would agree older generation Hispanics are predjudice to some degree, but not really the younger generation, so i disagree with the statement thats why i made the comment.

Thats stupid to think they're voting for Hilary just because Barrack is black. My family is 50/50 down the middle.

[Nbadan]

With a caucus win in Texas for Obama, today could be a total wash or Clinton could gain max 5 delegates - nice....but Hillary declared victory on CNN so it must be true.....

[some_user86]

With a caucus win in Texas for Obama, today could be a total wash or Clinton could gain max 5 delegates - nice....but Hillary declared victory on CNN so it must be true.....

Of course. But it affects the media contrived "momentum". It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. The media predicts momentum, the people actually believe that Hilary landed some major blow in Texas (when she might lose the caucus and still might lose in the delegate count for Texas), the media runs polls to confirm their prophecy, and the ball rolls from there.

[Nbadan]

It won't last...in the next few days Obama will win Guam then probably Mississippi and the media will be back on the Obama band-wagon....

[Yonivore]

It won't last...in the next few days Obama will win Guam then probably Mississippi and the media will be back on the Obama band-wagon....
Yeah, back on the "Hey,-Barak,-what-did-you-say-to-the-Canadians?" bandwagon. Or the, "Barak,-who-owns-the-empty-lot-next-to-your-house-and-how-was-it-bought?" bandwagon. Then again, it could be, "Barak,-who-is-this-mysterious-Frank-the-mentor-you-mention-in-your-book?" bandwagon.

[florige]

Let's see, blacks voted for Obama because he's black.

Evangelicals voted for Huckabee because he's an evangelical.

Mormons voted for Romney because he's a Mormon.

Hispanics voted for Clinton because she's a proud Latina.




:lol

[smeagol]

Yeah, back on the "Hey,-Barak,-what-did-you-say-to-the-Canadians?" bandwagon. Or the, "Barak,-who-owns-the-empty-lot-next-to-your-house-and-how-was-it-bought?" bandwagon. Then again, it could be, "Barak,-who-is-this-mysterious-Frank-the-mentor-you-mention-in-your-book?" bandwagon.

And how does that compare with the things we can say about Bush?

[Supergirl]

Could someone down in Texas explain to me how a state can vote for one candidate in the election, and another in the caucus? That does not seem to make any sense to me.

[some_user86]

Could someone down in Texas explain to me how a state can vote for one candidate in the election, and another in the caucus? That does not seem to make any sense to me.

Two different machineries. Caucus format favors diehard voters because you have to sit through the very long and complicated procedures of a caucus. Primaries favor last minute decision makers. Obama has been beating the hell out of caucuses all over the country, so this was expected. Most people probably went home after the primary voting.

[Yonivore]

And how does that compare with the things we can say about Bush?
Depends on what you're saying about Bush.

[JoeChalupa]

Yonivore cracks me up. :lmao

[Yonivore]

Could someone down in Texas explain to me how a state can vote for one candidate in the election, and another in the caucus? That does not seem to make any sense to me.
Well, in the primaries, you pick a party and vote. It could be for the person you want to win the nomination or it could be for the person you want your candidate to face in the general election.

In the general election, the ballots have everyone on them so, you're not restricted and can vote for whomever you want, regardless of how you voted in the primaries.

Make more sense?

[xrayzebra]

Yonivore cracks me up. :lmao


Hey Joe, I agree with Yoni. Bush really doesn't fit my
notion of a good conservative sometimes. Being nice.

[Yonivore]

Yonivore cracks me up. :lmao
Glad to amuse.