View Full Version : John McCain will win in November
dknights411
03-05-2008, 03:49 AM
The Hillary/Obama slugfest is ripping the Democratic Party in two. If this keeps going "all the way" as Hillary intends to, then too much damage will be done for the Democratic candidate, no matter who wins. Which would mean that McCain right now has the advantage, and will more than likely become our 44th President.
dav4463
03-05-2008, 07:19 AM
Good observation. I will probably vote for him just because I think he would be the best guy to turn to in case of a terrorist attack. National security overrides all other presidential obligations in my opinion and McCain is the best one to deal with that type of problem.
Yonivore
03-05-2008, 08:01 AM
The Hillary/Obama slugfest is ripping the Democratic Party in two. If this keeps going "all the way" as Hillary intends to, then too much damage will be done for the Democratic candidate, no matter who wins. Which would mean that McCain right now has the advantage, and will more than likely become our 44th President.
That's the plan.
BonnerDynasty
03-05-2008, 11:17 AM
Hillary and Obama have barely even scratched the surface!
They COULD rip each other to shreds, but they would make themselves (dems) look like the complete fools that they are...so they won't.
Obama refuses to land the big shots on Clinton and will nice guy his way all the way to second place (unless the delegate stuff is true and Clinton can't win now).
DarkReign
03-05-2008, 11:24 AM
Hillary and Obama have barely even scratched the surface!
They COULD rip each other to shreds, but they would make themselves (dems) look like the complete fools that they are...so they won't.
Obama refuses to land the big shots on Clinton and will nice guy his way all the way to second place (unless the delegate stuff is true and Clinton can't win now).
:lmao Yeah...ooooook.
Look out below!
AFBlue
03-05-2008, 11:30 AM
Hillary and Obama have barely even scratched the surface!
They COULD rip each other to shreds, but they would make themselves (dems) look like the complete fools that they are...so they won't.
I think you highlight the relevant piece of this discussion, but you make a false assumption...
To me, I think it matters less how long these two campaign against eachother and matters more about how ugly the two campaigns get the rest of the way.
HC already went with the very "Republican" ad about the telephone call at 3AM that some thought was fearmongering. There's no reason to think now that this campaign is even closer she will slow down or stop the same type of campaigning she has done in recent weeks. I mean, if it helped secure victories in Texas and Ohio, theoretically it'll work in Pennsylvania too, right?
And if she does come forward with that attack, won't Barack Obama continue to lose unless he finds another, more aggressive, way to fight back? So her aggressiveness may force him to play a game that he is uncomfortable and has been unwilling to play in the past.
If either one or both continues these attack to and through the convention, THEN you see a significant disadvantage when one or the other is chosen as the Democratic nominee for president.
And let's just say she decides to be less negative in her future campaigning....
She'll still attempt to seat the Florida and Michigan delegates. And she'll still make a play for the superdelegates to swing the nomination her way without having the popular vote or majority of pledge delegates. Neither of which are "ugly", but neither of which are necessarily "above board" or honorable.
Bottom Line: If this thing goes long, it doesn't necessarily put the Dems at a disadvantage. If this thing goes ugly for long, THEN it's a legitimate concern.
And in my opinion....it's likely to get ugly.
clambake
03-05-2008, 11:31 AM
Good observation. I will probably vote for him just because I think he would be the best guy to turn to in case of a terrorist attack. National security overrides all other presidential obligations in my opinion and McCain is the best one to deal with that type of problem.
why? so he could then go view the carnage? or better yet, go blow up some more mud huts in retaliation? shit, yonivore could do that.
Ignignokt
03-05-2008, 11:53 AM
That's the plan.
can't republicans just win on idealogy.
This shit is weak.
Pussy republican politics is what got Nixon betrayed, loose the 06 midterms, amongst a host of other things.
HC already went with the very "Republican" ad about the telephone call at 3AM that some thought was fearmongering. Rose colored glasses much; myopic, self-righteous ones?
That's a replay of a......MONDALE AD!
So holier than thow, you're blinded by your own light!
clambake
03-05-2008, 12:30 PM
didn't LBJ use it first?
can't republicans just win on idealogy.
This shit is weak.
Pussy republican politics is what got Nixon betrayed, loose the 06 midterms, amongst a host of other things.More black pots?
Let's see how many times in the next 8 months either Hillary or Barrack calls themselves a "liberal"; okay?
Policies, my ass. Hell, let's see how many SPECIFIC policies Barrack actually mentions!!!! (promises and "I wouldn't have's" don't count)
didn't LBJ use it first?Not that I'm aware of, but if he did: hilarious.
clambake
03-05-2008, 12:33 PM
(promises and "I wouldn't have's" don't count)
why? "I'm going to do something stupid" is more suitable?
why? "I'm going to do something stupid" is more suitable?Promises <> Policies
"I'm going to do something stupid." is more accurate.
PixelPusher
03-05-2008, 12:44 PM
Rose colored glasses much; myopic, self-righteous ones?
That's a replay of a......MONDALE AD!
So holier than thow, you're blinded by your own light!
Actually, McCain beat her to it.
http://www.youtube.com/v/GPadP7eAO9Y
clambake
03-05-2008, 12:45 PM
Promises <> Policies
"I'm going to do something stupid." is more accurate.
yeah, i know, thats what we have now. in 2000, i'd never seen more coward republican in my life. mccain is a wimp under pressure.
Actually, McCain beat her to it.
http://www.youtube.com/v/GPadP7eAO9YApparently somebody, but not McCain.
Didn't hear the "I approved this message" did you?
Nope, that one is out of the Democrat playbook - Tony just tried to hang it on Republicans.
yeah, i know, thats what we have now. in 2000, i'd never seen more coward republican in my life. mccain is a wimp under pressure.Bush pretty much told us what he was going to do, though.
Tax Cuts?
Check
No child left behind was spelled out.
9/11 changed everything, IMO - gave his ear to Cheney et al. re Iraq. Might have happened anyway, but maybe not.
Now, Obama is talking tough on one hand with Nafta, while meeting with the Canadians on the other. Wink Wink.
I have been reasonably impressed with McCain's fortitude or various issues. He has gone decidedly AGAINST his base several times over the past 8 years - all the while knowing he was going to seek the nomination - then he weathered the talk radio storm, and has landed the nomination. That took, of not courage, at least some semblance of integrity.
Barrack? Voted "Present"
PixelPusher
03-05-2008, 01:02 PM
Didn't hear the "I approved this message" did you?
I expect a lot of Republican ads in the general election won't have that McCain approval tag line. And that is straight out of the Republican playbook.
I expect a lot of Republican ads in the general election won't have that McCain approval tag line. And that is straight out of the Republican playbook.Fine.
My only point was, Tony made a (self-righteous) claim about an ad being from the "Republican Playbook" - when the add, was, IN FACT, a Democrat ad copying a Democrat ad!
Republican playbook? O.K., but the Dems are reading from the same, exact one!
PixelPusher
03-05-2008, 01:31 PM
Republican playbook? O.K., but the Dems are reading from the same, exact one!
True.
Oh, Gee!!
03-05-2008, 02:10 PM
That's the plan.
Either way, a democrat will be in the white house.
clambake
03-05-2008, 02:11 PM
did you see bush endorsing mccain at the WH?
bush showed him as much respect as he would an incompetent waiter :lol
his true opinion of mccain hasn't changed. he thinks mccain is a weenie :lol
AFBlue
03-05-2008, 02:51 PM
Fine.
My only point was, Tony made a (self-righteous) claim about an ad being from the "Republican Playbook" - when the add, was, IN FACT, a Democrat ad copying a Democrat ad!
Republican playbook? O.K., but the Dems are reading from the same, exact one!
Yikes...hate to draw the ire of 101A :lol
Didn't mean to come off as self-righteous or even blame the Republican party for being the originator of the ad. The only reason I tied it to Republicans is because the ad has been classified by many as "fearmongering" that was associated with the Republicans in 2004.
Either way, I'm happy to retract that "Republican" piece, because it wasn't even the point I was trying to make.
I was trying to say that Hillary had already come out with some very polarizing points against Obama, and that I didn't see that trend discontinuing.
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