Obama Supports will not vote for Hillary, will they?

[inconvertible]

If Hillary wins, Mccain will ultimately get my vote. Sorry Dems. You would be too RED for me.


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[George Gervin's Afro]

If Hillary wins, Mccain will ultimately get my vote. Sorry Dems. You would be too RED for me.


And if Obama wins I will be leaning towards McCain...so neither of them has a chance.. that's too bad Obama would have made a great candidate after spending 4-8 yrs as a VP..

[DarkReign]

It doesnt matter anymore. Yesterday was the greatest gift the Republican party has ever received.

While McCain campaigns for election, the Dems continue their squabble.

Is there a more fucked up party in all the world? Dems dont deserve the Presidency.

I am starting to think I hate Dems. Not for their political views, but for their general lack of cohesion and their inability to provide an alternative.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm cool with a Republican lite White House and a solid Dem majority Congress.... I can live with that..

[Evan]

I will gladly vote for McCain over Hillary and I support Obama.

[xrayzebra]

It doesnt matter anymore. Yesterday was the greatest gift the Republican party has ever received.

While McCain campaigns for election, the Dems continue their squabble.

Is there a more fucked up party in all the world? Dems dont deserve the Presidency.

I am starting to think I hate Dems. Not for their political views, but for their general lack of cohesion and their inability to provide an alternative.

Why do you think I call them Dimm-o-Craps!
They are dimm and full of crap.

[Supergirl]

I'm not sure it's necessarily a bad thing to have Clinton and Obama still going strong. They are both stirring up a lot of support and that's a good thing for the party as a whole.

The reality is that they are both pretty close to the same on the issues. They're both social liberals and believe the government should have a responsibility to care for its people. Clinton presents herself as more hawkish on foreign policy, but that's just cause we don't know as much about how Obama would govern in this area. Whoever wins in November inherits a huge disaster - the world hates us more than ever, we are ridiculously in debt because of this war, and terrorism is spreading more than it was before Bush launched the war. Oh, and we're in a recession that figures to just get worse. Oh, and if you believe in things like civil rights and a woman's right to control her own body, the Supreme Court is more of a threat to your beliefs than ever before. (Is there anything Bush DIDN'T fuck up in his 8 years in office? But I digress)

Clinton is hinting at a partnership with Obama. I think that would be their strongest move. They both have strong bases of support, whereas McCain has lukewarm support from even base of Republicans who drooled over Bush.

Bill Clinton didn't lock up the nomination till June and he won in a landslide. So I don't think it's necessarily such a disaster that things are so deadlocked.

That being said, the uncertainty is making me anxious. Very, very anxious.

[101A]

Bill Clinton didn't lock up the nomination till June and he won in a landslide.

Bad analogy.

Reagan/Mondale was a landslide, Clinton didn't even get a majority of the votes. If not for Perot, Bill doesn't win.

[Supergirl]

Bad analogy.

Reagan/Mondale was a landslide, Clinton didn't even get a majority of the votes. If not for Perot, Bill doesn't win.


Hmm, you're right, landslide is not accurate, but it was a strong win. In 1992, he won 43% to 37%. You're making a huge assumption about how Perot's voters might have gone if Perot were not a candidate in that election. Most Perot voters I know are moderate Democrats as well as moderate Republicans - so it could have gone either way.

In 1996 Clinton beat Dole 49% to 40%, an even more decisive win with no Perot to cloud things.

But my point remains - he didn't clinch the nomination till late, and was still able to win.

[some_user86]

Bad analogy.

Reagan/Mondale was a landslide, Clinton didn't even get a majority of the votes. If not for Perot, Bill doesn't win.

Ross Perot showed that a significant number of people were dissatisfied with both options. If not for Perot, a lot of those people stay at home.

[DarkReign]

I'm not sure it's necessarily a bad thing to have Clinton and Obama still going strong. They are both stirring up a lot of support and that's a good thing for the party as a whole.

What happened yesterday is anything but "good" for the Dems.

Actually, yesterday could be considered the worst case scenario.

They arent stirring up anymore support than they already had. What they will be doing is further degrading each other as viable candidates....while McCain sits above the fray addressing the American people as the Rep Nominee for the Presidency.

What yesterday effectively does is weaken both Dem candidates to a degree beyond repair. Now, they spend all their time bashing one another, digging up anything that can be exploited for their own gain....basically....theyll be doing McCain's job at their own expense.

Thats Win-Win for McCain.

Yesterday pretty much guarantees McCain is your next President in a landslide, barring some major scandal (and I mean MAJOR scandal....itd have to be huge).

So if youre Republican, you can thank Texas and Ohio for fucking the Dems over this year.

Barring scandal, the election is over. I hope President McCain sounds good to everyone.

[Supergirl]

What happened yesterday is anything but "good" for the Dems.

Actually, yesterday could be considered the worst case scenario.

They arent stirring up anymore support than they already had. What they will be doing is further degrading each other as viable candidates....while McCain sits above the fray addressing the American people as the Rep Nominee for the Presidency.

What yesterday effectively does is weaken both Dem candidates to a degree beyond repair. Now, they spend all their time bashing one another, digging up anything that can be exploited for their own gain....basically....theyll be doing McCain's job at their own expense.

Thats Win-Win for McCain.

Yesterday pretty much guarantees McCain is your next President in a landslide, barring some major scandal (and I mean MAJOR scandal....itd have to be huge).

So if youre Republican, you can thank Texas and Ohio for fucking the Dems over this year.

Barring scandal, the election is over. I hope President McCain sounds good to everyone.

I think you're being a little reactive. First of all, there are other states out there who would strongly disagree that the election is over - they haven't even voted yet. Secondly, there is serious discussion about having Michigan and FLorida re-do their elections, with both candidates having a chance to campaign, and this could make a huge difference for one of them. Third, in multiple polls, 70% of Clinton and OBama supporters alike have said they'll vote for the "other" candidate if he or she is the nominee. So on some level, it may not matter. And Clinton is already making overtures of forming an alliance with Obama, which could change the dynamic entirely if it happens.

It's going to be a long election season. Many, many things could happen. It's no where CLOSE to being "over."

[AFBlue]

What happened yesterday is anything but "good" for the Dems.

Actually, yesterday could be considered the worst case scenario.

They arent stirring up anymore support than they already had. What they will be doing is further degrading each other as viable candidates....while McCain sits above the fray addressing the American people as the Rep Nominee for the Presidency.

What yesterday effectively does is weaken both Dem candidates to a degree beyond repair. Now, they spend all their time bashing one another, digging up anything that can be exploited for their own gain....basically....theyll be doing McCain's job at their own expense.

Thats Win-Win for McCain.

Yesterday pretty much guarantees McCain is your next President in a landslide, barring some major scandal (and I mean MAJOR scandal....itd have to be huge).

So if youre Republican, you can thank Texas and Ohio for fucking the Dems over this year.

Barring scandal, the election is over. I hope President McCain sounds good to everyone.

I think that while the continuation of democratic selection process certainly helps McCain, it's an overstatement to say he is the guaranteed 44th president.

There are still some MAJOR issues confronting the Republican nominee, regardless of who it is...

Fact is, no one elects a party back into office during the middle of a recession. And there is still a housing market crisis in this country...another hit to the incumbent party.

Fact is, free trade agreements as they are currently constituted tend to take jobs away from the US and we are losing jobs. Tough to be on the "free trade" side, even if Canada is one of our strongest allies in the two wars we're fighting.

Fact is, the Iraq War is still VERY unpopular, and McCain will be operating from a tough position to convince the American people that it's necessary to stay.



Don't get me wrong....I'm a McCain guy. And I DO think that the longer this process drags out, and frankly the uglier it gets, the greater the benefit to the John McCain. But, don't for one second begin to believe that regardless of the circumstances, McCain as the Republican nominee will start out at a signficant disadvantage.

[DarkReign]

I think you're being a little reactive. First of all, there are other states out there who would strongly disagree that the election is over - they haven't even voted yet. Secondly, there is serious discussion about having Michigan and FLorida re-do their elections, with both candidates having a chance to campaign, and this could make a huge difference for one of them. Third, in multiple polls, 70% of Clinton and OBama supporters alike have said they'll vote for the "other" candidate if he or she is the nominee. So on some level, it may not matter. And Clinton is already making overtures of forming an alliance with Obama, which could change the dynamic entirely if it happens.

It's going to be a long election season. Many, many things could happen. It's no where CLOSE to being "over."

Ok, fair points. But its my opinion that the immediate time spent by the Dems bashing one another while McCain is actively campaigning for office will be far too much to overcome for whomever gets the Dem nomination.

Take Texas for example...People voted Dem at a 2:1 ratio over Reps. Thats absurd. That in no way indicates the general election. What actually happened yesterday is Reps switched parties and voted Hillary for the primary alone, full-well knowing it would extend the Dem primary.

I have no evidence of this. The only evidence I will have wont come until November when that ratio is flip-flopped and Reps vote in 2:1 margins over Dems.

My point is, McCain will win both Ohio and Texas in the primary using yerterday as the example. Reps in both states either a) stayed home, b) voted Rep or c) voted Hillary knowing exactly what they were doing to the Dem primary by doing so.

My opinion anyway.

[AFBlue]

I think you're being a little reactive. First of all, there are other states out there who would strongly disagree that the election is over - they haven't even voted yet. Secondly, there is serious discussion about having Michigan and FLorida re-do their elections, with both candidates having a chance to campaign, and this could make a huge difference for one of them. Third, in multiple polls, 70% of Clinton and OBama supporters alike have said they'll vote for the "other" candidate if he or she is the nominee. So on some level, it may not matter. And Clinton is already making overtures of forming an alliance with Obama, which could change the dynamic entirely if it happens.

It's going to be a long election season. Many, many things could happen. It's no where CLOSE to being "over."

Couple things....

First...There have been no serious discussions about redoing an election in Florida or Michigan. From the Clinton campaign all you hear is that they want to seat the delegates....naturally, because they won both states in a landslide and could use the pledge delegates. From the Obama campaign you hear nothing.

The only one's talking about a "redo" are media types that figure it may be a nice comprimise. But neither campaign has talked to it, and most importantly neither has Howard Dean, the DNC chair.


Second....Clinton has not been hinting about a Clinton/Obama ticket in the least. She has said that it would be presumptuous to discuss it before either has secured the party nomination.

Now, would it be the best chance for the party to re-unite after a vigorous campaign? Yes. And would Clinton, being the political animal that she is, be willing to extend the olive branch if she won? Yes.

Still, there haven't been any discussions to this point, and I don't think you can consider anything regarding those two running together as even "likely" to this point.

[inconvertible]

short attention span sheeple, will forget all about this fight. however, they need to realize. obama beats mccain. hillary loses to mccain. and thats all a maybe. people need to also realize you have an.......

inexperienced black man or an inexperienced woman. against a WASP male, ex pow, and ex fighter pilot.

I think Mccain might win reguardless.

[Supergirl]

Couple things....

First...There have been no serious discussions about redoing an election in Florida or Michigan. From the Clinton campaign all you hear is that they want to seat the delegates....naturally, because they won both states in a landslide and could use the pledge delegates. From the Obama campaign you hear nothing.

The only one's talking about a "redo" are media types that figure it may be a nice comprimise. But neither campaign has talked to it, and most importantly neither has Howard Dean, the DNC chair.


Second....Clinton has not been hinting about a Clinton/Obama ticket in the least. She has said that it would be presumptuous to discuss it before either has secured the party nomination.

Now, would it be the best chance for the party to re-unite after a vigorous campaign? Yes. And would Clinton, being the political animal that she is, be willing to extend the olive branch if she won? Yes.

Still, there haven't been any discussions to this point, and I don't think you can consider anything regarding those two running together as even "likely" to this point.

"Clinton, in particular, projected confidence on the day after her candidacy-saving victories, suggesting she might want Obama as her vice presidential running mate."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080305/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp

Just one Yahoo news story I caught referencing this.

Also:
It was on NPR this morning that I heard a DNC official talking about how they are looking at having re-elections in Michigan and Florida, but this has to go to a hearing first before it can happen. Haven't found the link yet but NPR is about the most reliable news source I know...

[whottt]

If the Democrats would drop the pull out of Iraq bullshit they'd have won the last two elections in a landslide(well ok not Kerry). I know Hilary kind of says that...but then she kind of doesn't as well.


This doesn't mean you have to endorse the Iraq war of course...call it a mistake all you want, but...it's why the Republicans are now a voting powerhouse...inspite of the fact that they really only have one attractive voting stance.





And I think Obama could have won Texas if he'd changed his middle name to John Wayne. Seriously...