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Aggie Hoopsfan
03-05-2008, 07:56 PM
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/03/019947.php


Our amazing progress in Iraq is demonstrating that, for now, al Qaeda rather than the U.S. is the weak horse in the very country that al Qaeda has identified as the key battleground in its struggle against us. Consequently, as Peter Wehner shows, the tide within the Islamic world is beginning to run strongly against al-Qaeda. For example, Sayyid Imam al-Sharif recently published a book -- Rationalizations on Jihad in Egypt and the World -- in which he argues that the use of violence to overthrow Islamic governments is religiously unlawful and practically harmful. He also recommends the formation of a special Islamic court to try bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda’s number two and its ideological leader. These words are significant, Wehner says, because Sharif was once a mentor to Zawahir and has been described by terrorism expert Jarret Brachman as “a living legend within the global jihadist movement.”



Public opinion polls seem to confirm al Qaeda's suddenly low standing in the Muslim world. Wehner points to a survey in Pakistan finding that in January less than a quarter of Pakistanis approved of bin Laden, compared with 46 per cent last August, while backing for al-Qaeda fell from 33 per cent to 18 per cent. And Pew reports that the percentage of Muslims saying suicide bombing is justified in the defense of Islam has declined in seven of the eight Arab countries where trend data are available. In Lebanon, for example, 34 per cent of Muslims say such suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. In 2002, before the Iraq war began, 74 per cent expressed this view.


Poor liberals, what are they going to bitch about now?

Yonivore
03-05-2008, 08:41 PM
Poor liberals, what are they going to bitch about now?
George Bush

boutons_
03-05-2008, 09:57 PM
Iraq is fucked, non-functioning government, divided into at least 3 differents mini-states, a totally destroyed infrastructure, 40% unemployment, starvation, and 4 million refugees.

dubya hasn't won shit in Iraq, he's fucked over Iraq.

Iraq never was/is not a part of the war on terror.

And "winning" Iraq will never justify the bogus invasion. It was wrong to go in, no matter how bad it was botched, even run perfectly, it was just wrong.

Spawn
03-05-2008, 10:18 PM
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/03/019947.php




Poor liberals, what are they going to bitch about now?

Poor Neo-cons, who are you going to go to war against now?

Yonivore
03-05-2008, 10:30 PM
Poor Neo-cons, who are you going to go to war against now?
Probably Hugo Chavez.

PixelPusher
03-05-2008, 10:41 PM
Poor Neo-cons, who are you going to go to war against now?
They're laying the groundwork for China. (http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/07/gary_hart_lynne_cheney_and_war.php) But don't worry, it'll be a cakewalk and we're sure to be greeted as liberators.

PixelPusher
03-05-2008, 10:44 PM
Btw, you guys do know that article refers to the paltry 2% of actual al Qaeda cells in Iraq, and not the catch-all label of "al Qaeda fighters" that the Bush Administration has laid on every combatant since the surge right?

Yonivore
03-05-2008, 10:47 PM
Btw, you guys do know that article refers to the paltry 2% of actual al Qaeda cells in Iraq, and not the catch-all label of "al Qaeda fighters" that the Bush Administration has laid on every combatant since the surge right?
What?!?!?! Al Qaeda is in Iraq? Since when?

By the way, whatever the percentage, the majority of the violence in Iraq is instigated by al Qaeda.

PixelPusher
03-05-2008, 10:59 PM
What?!?!?! Al Qaeda is in Iraq? Since when?
Since after we invaded.

By the way, whatever the percentage, the majority of the violence in Iraq is instigated by al Qaeda.
Uh huh. It was all al Qaeda's fault. Muqtada al-Sadr had nothing to do with it. Outcast Ba'athist had nothing to do with it. A corrupt Sunni dominated central government had nothing to do with it. Criminal gangs had nothing to do with it.

Hell, what about Iran? You've posted about them smuggling IEDs/Weapons before? Nope, it was all al-Qaeda's fault...

Yonivore
03-05-2008, 11:04 PM
Since after we invaded.
Really? When did Zarqawi leave Afghanistan and take his crews to Iraq?

PixelPusher
03-05-2008, 11:14 PM
Really? When did Zarqawi leave Afghanistan and take his crews to Iraq?
You know damn well that al Qaeda didn't show up in force until after we invaded, with scores of Saudi, Egyptian, Syrian and Jordanian nationals crossing the border to join up.

Btw, there's still this country called Pakistan that, well...


...just sayin.

Yonivore
03-05-2008, 11:21 PM
You know damn well that al Qaeda didn't show up in force until after we invaded,...
No, I don't know that and you didn't answer the question. When was Zarqawi in Iraq with his fighters?

PixelPusher
03-05-2008, 11:35 PM
No, I don't know that and you didn't answer the question. When was Zarqawi in Iraq with his fighters?
Zarqawi moved to Iraq in 2002 to join up with a group of locals fighting the Kurds. "His fighters" showed up after we invaded in 2003. Now you know.

Yonivore
03-06-2008, 08:06 AM
Zarqawi moved to Iraq in 2002 to join up with a group of locals fighting the Kurds. "His fighters" showed up after we invaded in 2003. Now you know.
2002, al Qaeda in Iraq. You read it here first. Somebody tell Obama.

boutons_
03-06-2008, 08:37 AM
AQ in Iraq before US invasion was not a threat to USA, not a threat to a very stable Iraq.

But, 4000+ wasted dead US troops later, AQ is still in Iraq, Iraq is totally destroyed and non-functional, the vast majority of Iraqis want the Americans to "Go Home, Yankee".

And then there is AQ and Taleban in Afghanistan, which is another total failure of dubya's kickass military. Karzai is riduculed as the mayor of Kabul rather than respected as the President of the country he doesn't control vs the warlords and Taleban who control the country, poppy production at record levels, and the govt is non-functional.

And dubya will deposts these two huge piles of shit right in front 1600 Pennsylvania Ave next 20 Jan.

you're doing a heckuva job, dubya


and yoni is still building country invasion and destruction on the flimsiest, tiniest, non-threatening, legalistic ratshit of evidence.