Game Thread: Houston @ Dallas

[Amarelooms]

Man its just ridiculous.. They dont even try. If they fucking would just look like they wanted to play, but they are just standing around like a bunch of pansys..

Mavs are just not that good with or without Dirk....team is too old and slow...can't stop atheletic players. Best we can hope for is the 8th seed and first round exit....oh well such is basketball :elephant

[mikejones99]

this is what you get for taking down AK47, fuckers in Dallas

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Lucky the Mavs have the Nets and Knicks coming up.

[clambake]

who was the dipshit that said the mavs would win by 5?

[Indazone]

The Rockets would be a serious threat for the championship with Yao Ming. I think that team is probably better than the Lakers, Mavericks, Suns, and the Pistons.

That injury is just brutal.

Wait till next year when we get a healthy Steve Francis back. I read in a report that his lateral patellar tendon was 70 percent ruptured and he was still trying to play on it for three years.

[mattb_25]

Shit, I cant really take up for the mavs when they dont even give a shit.. Whats the point

[DazedAndConfused]

I think the reason the Rockets haven't skipped a beat since Yao went down is because Mutombo is still a pretty fucking good defensive center. Having a strong defensive presence in the paint, even if he's offensively limited, is huge for the Rockets.

[mavsfan1000]

Btw it would be nice to have Harris and Diop about now. Kidd is not what he was hyped to be.

[TampaDude]

I'm kind of on the fence about this game...while statistically, it's better for the Spurs if the Mavs win, I fucking hate the Mavs, so I can live with the Rockets winning #17...

[Sec24Row7]

Shaq: Sean Marion 30ish Million Dollars and the ability to run the basketball

Jason Kidd: Devon Harris, Lasagna Diop, Retired White guy and 9 extra million





Phoenix and Dallas BOTH going out in the first round?:


Priceless

[Radiosparks]

Hahahahaaa...Avery was just told his guards were getting torched.

[StylisticS]

Told you Mavs can't win without Dirk. Mavs without Dirk equals lottery team.

Right now, the Mavs WITH Dirk is a lottery team and if we are, that trade would look oh so pleasant. We can't beat anybody that's worth a damn and by looking at the players, it looks as if the team is either confused on the system or simply does not believe in it.

[mattb_25]

Because avery fucked up the offense... Whats the point of having Kidd when he doesnt even run the plays. He looks like an average PG in avery's system man

[DazedAndConfused]

The Rockets are playing some beautiful basketball. Their offensive execution is so fun to watch out there. I actually think they are more fluid without Yao.

[Radiosparks]

You can't put all the blame on Avery. All he wants is for those guys to attack the basket. Yet, they continue to settle for the jump shots.

[san antonio spurs]

Because avery fucked up the offense... Whats the point of having Kidd when he doesnt even run the plays. He looks like an average PG in avery's system man
Exactly!!
Avery and D'Antony unwiling to adjust their schemes for the new comers is really costing their teams.

On a side note Dallas has no urgency at all; I thought they would

[Budkin]

The spankage continues.

[san antonio spurs]

You can't put all the blame on Avery. All he wants is for those guys to attack the basket. Yet, they continue to settle for the jump shots.
With Kidd in the game, Avery is calling ISO for stack :lol

[Indazone]

Can't wait to see Findogs new moniker lol

[Spurologist]

go fuck yourself.

WHOA

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2376/suckonezw5.jpg

It's gonna be a long fucking night mav fans

:lmao

[BonnerDynasty]

I really don't want the Spurs to have to play Mavs first round. You assholes better get some wins.

[mikejones99]

Who is gonna stop these Rockets? probly only one or 2 teams can

[Indazone]

Adleman's high post offense has done wonders for the Rockets. Glad Van Grumpy is gone.

[mFFL03]

Because avery fucked up the offense... Whats the point of having Kidd when he doesnt even run the plays. He looks like an average PG in avery's system man


exactly

i saw this from the beginning. what was the point in brining in another point guard who would just pass to the same jump shooters.

[Crookshanks]

So does this mean Dirk is far more important to the Mavs than Yao is to the Rockets?

A couple more games like this and Dallas will be out of the playoffs!

[Budkin]

What a shitty game for the Mavs.

[mikejones99]

Houston on Fire, jaclson for 3

[Crookshanks]

The Mavs have the Spurs syndrome - getting their butts whipped on National TV!!

[Budkin]

Rockets missing now... let's see if the Mavs can make a run... nm, another three :lmao

[Hank the Tank]

i hope the rockets keep goin on this crazy streak!

:lol gotta love dikembe...teachin the boys how to :nope

[Crookshanks]

Oh wow - the fans are now booing. Must suck to be a Mavs fan right now.

[Spurologist]

I need some Cubie bench reactions for my viewing pleasure.

Cubie = Cuban

[Indazone]

time for the Rockets to clear their bench.

[BonnerDynasty]

I'd love to have battier on the Spurs.

[mattb_25]

Reminds me of GSW playoff. None of them give a damn to even hustle

[Radiosparks]

Where is Cuban? I want a shot of Cuban!!!

[Hank the Tank]

that guy holding up that sign 17-0 is kinda remindin me of the pats.

[Indazone]

Put Novak in so we can see a three point shooting demonstration ;)

[mFFL03]

god I don't want to knee jerk because we were so close in the lakers and spurs games....but there are no moral victories in sports....save that for disney movies.

the truth is dirk and dampier are now our best players with JET and kidd behind them.

our window is closing and the only way to save it is easy.....

http://www.fireavery.com/

[DazedAndConfused]

OK Lost is on, enough of this crap. DAL your team is god awful.

[Indazone]

Avery sucks. The only reason that the Mavs were so good for many years is Del Harris. No Del Harris as the voice of reason and so goes the Mav's fortunes.

Del Harris - The Power Behind the Throne.

[mFFL03]

OK Lost is on, enough of this crap. DAL your team is god awful.


the spy on the boat is michael!!!!

[rasho8]

Haha Mavs... how crappy can you get trading for an elite point guard.

Guess without Dirt shooting 45 free throws a game after flailing like a fish with downs syndrome you're not that much.

[xcomp]

FTFY. I'll be here. You, on the other hand, will probably be sitting in a corner somewhere crying over how sorry your team has become.

Well I'm back. To you Mav fans with a good head on your shoulders, Findog et al, good game. Thanks for the fun smack earlier.

And to Mono.... you can suck it.

[mFFL03]

Avery sucks. The only reason that the Mavs were so good for many years is Del Harris. No Del Harris as the voice of reason and so goes the Mav's fortunes.

Del Harris - The Power Behind the Throne.


bingo, you don't know how sad i was when i heard he left

[Indazone]

After this game, the Rockets pass up the Utah Jazz!!

[mikejones99]

bout time they get T mac out

[ShoogarBear]

ouchy ouchy ouch.

[Crookshanks]

After this game, the Rockets pass up the Utah Jazz!!
Uh no... you would have to pass up New Orleans in order to get a higher seed than Utah because they have their conference lead.

[ElNono]

LOL at the arena empty with 5 mins to go. Talk about fairweather fans!

[mFFL03]

Haha Mavs... how crappy can you get trading for an elite point guard.

Guess without Dirt shooting 45 free throws a game after flailing like a fish with downs syndrome you're not that much.


eat a dildo kid.

there were and still are a shit load of us who didn't want the trade to happen.

[san antonio spurs]

well with Yao out, I didn't expect a blowout against a team that showed it could hang with contenders :rolleyes

[Spurologist]

The mavs trying to get Dirk into the mvp race.

Not sure if that's a good strategy if you're in 7th place in the west. Then again they'll avoid Golden State in the first round

[xcomp]

LOL at the arena empty with 5 mins to go. Talk about fairweather fans!

To be fair ... it was already half empty to begin with because of the weather, and nobody likes to hang around for blowout losses against their team.

[ShoogarBear]

How much snow did they get in Dallas?

[mavsfan1000]

LOL at the arena empty with 5 mins to go. Talk about fairweather fans!
This team has quit on Avery. Why can't the fans quit on the Mavs? Fire Avery now!

[rasho8]

eat a dildo kid.

there were and still are a shit load of us who didn't want the trade to happen.

Suck my nut Mavs bitch.

Besides Im probably older than you, so go cheer for your choking loser team.

Spurs mail in Oct, Nov and Dec.. Mavs tend to mail in Mar, Apr and the playoffs.

Mavs suck.

[wireonfire]

god I don't want to knee jerk because we were so close in the lakers and spurs games....but there are no moral victories in sports....save that for disney movies.

the truth is dirk and dampier are now our best players with JET and kidd behind them.

our window is closing and the only way to save it is easy.....

http://www.fireavery.com/

But the lakers had a bad game -- their bench froze up, and they were not at full strength -- Bynum, Radman, Ariza.

[mattb_25]

bingo, you don't know how sad i was when i heard he left

Hell yea, Del Harris was so badass, I always liked seein his white hair.. But theres no way he would come back to this lazy ass team..

[Crookshanks]

How much snow did they get in Dallas?
I heard they got five inches! Quite a bit for Dallas isn't it?

[Indazone]

T-Mac has 31 pts 9 assists. Rafer out played Kidd and played like an All Star. 24 pts so far. Landry had 17 pts in 24 min of play.

Scola 12 pts 9 rebounds. Solid game

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

This game makes Dirk look like the vindicated player. What's wrong with the rest of the Mavs?

JHo that weak mentally?

[BonnerDynasty]

Uh no... you would have to pass up New Orleans in order to get a higher seed than Utah because they have their conference lead.

It's kind of b.s. that Utah gets a free seat in the top 4. I know why they did it like that but damn...Then again I'd love to see Utah use it's home court against PHX/Dal in first round assuming 4v5 match-up.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Suck my nut Mavs bitch.

Besides Im probably older than you, so go cheer for your choking loser team.

Spurs mail in Oct, Nov and Dec.. Mavs tend to mail in Mar, Apr and the playoffs.

Mavs suck.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[mFFL03]

Suck my nut Mavs bitch.

Besides Im probably older than you, so go cheer for your choking loser team.

Spurs mail in Oct, Nov and Dec.. Mavs tend to mail in Mar, Apr and the playoffs.

Mavs suck.

i'm 65 years old bitch. suck my dusty left nut.

[ratm1221]

i'm 65 years old bitch. suck my dusty left nut.

:lol

[mFFL03]

But the lakers had a bad game -- their bench froze up, and they were not at full strength -- Bynum, Radman, Ariza.


in the playoffs that ball is going to gasol or bryant 80% of the time, scrubs won't make a difference at that point

[rasho8]

i'm 65 years old bitch. suck my dusty left nut.

Well then I hope you don't have a heart attack screaming at the TV because your shitty team sucks so hard.

And you should watch your language if you're that old, anyone tell you kids read this board? You should be more responsible.

[ludda]

The reason the other games were close were b/c of Dirk. Dude doesn't get enough credit, look how scrubby the rest of the Mavs are.

[ShoogarBear]

:lol

[sribb43]

The reason the other games were close were b/c of Dirk. Dude doesn't get enough credit, look how scrubby the rest of the Mavs are.

yep this just shows how bad they really are

[san antonio spurs]

i'm 65 years old bitch. suck my dusty left nut.
only retarded 65 years old use that language.
You either retarded or a liar. :lol

[Crookshanks]

I guess Charles was "mistaken" because he said the Rockets couldn't score enough against the Mavs to win this game. I wonder what his excuse will be? :oops

[Indazone]

Mavs are toast for the playoffs. 3 straight losses.

[rasho8]

The reason the other games were close were b/c of Dirk flopping around like a landed fish and getting 100 FT's a game. Dude doesn't get enough credit, look how scrubby the rest of the Mavs are.

There... fixed it for you.

[Indazone]

I guess Charles was "mistaken" because he said the Rockets couldn't score enough against the Mavs to win this game. I wonder what his excuse will be? :oops

Barkley is an idiot. Needs to go to Duncan Donuts and have a Cream Donut on the house.

[StylisticS]

I heard they got five inches! Quite a bit for Dallas isn't it?

There were some areas just outside Dallas that got up to a foot of snow. I don't know what Dallas itself got though.

[sa_kid20]

I guess Charles was "mistaken" because he said the Rockets couldn't score enough against the Mavs to win this game. I wonder what his excuse will be? :oops
If the Chuckster says your team is gonna win that means your pretty muched fucked. :lol

[Crookshanks]

So will Avery become maniacal and micro-manage the Mavs right out of the playoffs?

[Spurologist]

The reason the other games were close were b/c of Dirk. Dude doesn't get enough credit, look how scrubby the rest of the Mavs are.

Kudos to the mavs for upping Dirk's MVP chances. He now has a 1% chance of getting the trophy

There must be some round-the-clock business trying to figure out how the mavs lost speed and defense for a passer with offensive deficiencies. That explains the early exits. It makes sense to plan for a psychological evaluation for every mavs fan. You can't bother wasting time on your team.

J Kidd 7 pts 6 assists. For the sake of the mavs, I hope JKidd can do better than that.

[xcomp]

Man, is it precious to watch Barkley get owned.

[mFFL03]

Well then I hope you don't have a heart attack screaming at the TV because your shitty team sucks so hard.

And you should watch your language if you're that old, anyone tell you kids read this board? You should be more responsible.


Never wanted or needed kids. Waste of time and money.

[wireonfire]

in the playoffs that ball is going to gasol or bryant 80% of the time, scrubs won't make a difference at that point

Did you watch Bynum? He dominated both baskets, shot 64%. And he is only their 3rd or 4th best player.

[mFFL03]

yep this just shows how bad they really are

this signature is awesome. what font is that?

[sribb43]

Barkley is a genius...he just said why did the mavs double t-mac this game but refused to double Kobe when he went off on the mavs. he questions the mavs coaching philosophy and wonders what the are doing. see everyone we arent the only people that wonder what the hell avery is doing

[Indazone]

Didn't Avery want to trade Dirk away for a big man who played with his back to the basket?

[monosylab1k]

And to Mono.... you can suck it.
woah is that some of the first grade smack you're so proud of? at least elevate your weak shit to fourth grade smack.

we'll see if you're still around when your team gets cockpunched out of the playoffs in the first round again, troll.

[Roxsfan]

Well then I hope you don't have a heart attack screaming at the TV because your shitty team sucks so hard.

And you should watch your language if you're that old, anyone tell you kids read this board? You should be more responsible.


wow, I never thought about that. I will watch the language too.


Mavs suck.

[TampaDude]

Los terribles...

Los perdedores...

Los Mavericks!!!

:lol

[sribb43]

Rox whooped the mavs ass tonight and showed every reason why they have won 17 games in a row....hopefully when i wake up in the morning ill read that avery has been fired

[monosylab1k]

wow, I never thought about that. I will watch the language too.
fuck the kids, and fuck the dude that said that. that guy was just writing "suck my nuts" and calling people "bitch" so that hypocrite can fuck off.

[The Franchise]

T-Mac has 31 pts 9 assists. Rafer out played Kidd and played like an All Star. 24 pts so far. Landry had 17 pts in 24 min of play.

Scola 12 pts 9 rebounds. Solid game
Very satisfying win. :smokin Good to see everyone contributing once again towards another double digit victory(Seven in a row). Now let's put it behind us and look forward to NO.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

Props to the Rockets on this win. They earned it and displayed heart and energy. I dont care if Dirk wasnt in tonight, that doesnt excuse the shitty play the Mavs displayed tonight. All in all my confidence in this team is growing more and more with each of these losses. This team is so on the verge of going on a monster run.

As long as they just make the playoffs at full strength, this team is going to win the NBA championship. All this adversity is going to be worth it when Dirk is holding up the 2008 Finals MVP in one hand and the 2008 Larry O'Brien Trophy in the other. These guys will get through this. I am excited about the upcomings weeks for the Mavs. LETS GO MAVS! LETS GO MAVS! LETS GO MAVS! :clap :clap :clap :elephant :elephant :elephant

[xcomp]

woah is that some of the first grade smack you're so proud of? at least elevate your weak shit to fourth grade smack.

we'll see if you're still around when your team gets cockpunched out of the playoffs in the first round again, troll.

It's OK. I understand you're frustrated. Let it all out. You'll feel better soon.

[SAtown]

All this adversity is going to be worth it when Dirk is holding up the 2008 Finals MVP in one hand and the 2008 Larry O'Brien Trophy in the other.

:lmao

[monosylab1k]

It's OK. I understand you're frustrated. Let it all out. You'll feel better soon.
second grade smack forum

[Crookshanks]

Props to the Rockets on this win. They earned it and displayed heart and energy. I dont care if Dirk wasnt in tonight, that doesnt excuse the shitty play the Mavs displayed tonight. All in all my confidence in this team is growing more and more with each of these losses. This team is so on the verge of going on a monster run.

As long as they just make the playoffs at full strength, this team is going to win the NBA championship. All this adversity is going to be worth it when Dirk is holding up the 2008 Finals MVP in one hand and the 2008 Larry O'Brien Trophy in the other. These guys will get through this. I am excited about the upcomings weeks for the Mavs. LETS GO MAVS! LETS GO MAVS! LETS GO MAVS! :clap :clap :clap :elephant :elephant :elephant
What are you smoking? :dizzy At the rate they're going, they'll be lucky to even MAKE the playoffs!

[ElNono]

Props to the Rockets on this win. They earned it and displayed heart and energy. I dont care if Dirk wasnt in tonight, that doesnt excuse the shitty play the Mavs displayed tonight. All in all my confidence in this team is growing more and more with each of these losses. This team is so on the verge of going on a monster run.

As long as they just make the playoffs at full strength, this team is going to win the NBA championship. All this adversity is going to be worth it when Dirk is holding up the 2008 Finals MVP in one hand and the 2008 Larry O'Brien Trophy in the other. These guys will get through this. I am excited about the upcomings weeks for the Mavs. LETS GO MAVS! LETS GO MAVS! LETS GO MAVS! :clap :clap :clap :elephant :elephant :elephant

You got it ALL wrong!

[Dirk Nowitzki]

I know Spurs fans want to avoid the Mavs in round 1 but I am licking my chops hoping we face them. It would be a beautiful way to begin our championship run. The Mavs are going to get it together. These losses are a blessing in disguise.



QUOTE ME ON THIS AND REMEMBER THAT I FUCKING SAID IT ON MARCH 6, 2008 WHILE THE MAVS STAND AT 39-23:

The Mavs are winning the championship THIS SEASON MEANING JUNE 2008! This is our fucking season. Go ahead and bash all you want. Dirk, the entire Mavs organization, and all of its fans are going to have the last laugh! :clap :clap :clap :elephant :elephant :elephant

[mattb_25]

Shit, not even the best team in the NBA wwould be able to win playing like we have been ... I'm just so baffled at how terrible avery is coaching this fucking team.

[GuerillaBlack]

T-Mac at the end of the game in response to Charles Barkely:


"I don't really listen to Barkley about anything to do with basketball. I only listen to him when it comes to counting calories in a cupcake."

Win.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

You got it ALL wrong!

No I have it all right. The chips are falling perfectly in place for the Mavs 2008 championship. These guys have the heart of champions and I can wait for them to display it in the weeks to come!

[GuerillaBlack]

No I have it all right. The chips are falling perfectly in place for the Mavs 2008 championship. These guys have the heart of champions and I can wait for them to display it in the weeks to come!
What game were you watching? The Mavs played with no heart at all tonight.

[Crookshanks]

No I have it all right. The chips are falling perfectly in place for the Mavs 2008 championship. These guys have the heart of champions and I can wait for them to display it in the weeks to come!
Whatever gets you through the night... :p:

[mattb_25]

What game were you watching? The Mavs played with no heart at all tonight.

True that... remind me of the cowboys this year against the giants

[Dirk Nowitzki]

What game were you watching? The Mavs played with no heart at all tonight.

When they play with heart in the weeks to come, no one will remember this game.

[Findog]

What game were you watching? The Mavs played with no heart at all tonight.

That's the biggest crime of all. I didn't think we'd get this one because we're so dependent on Dirk, but there's no excuse for being out-hustled and out-desired. We needed a win in the worst way to get some breathing room between us and the Warriors/Nuggets, and they drop this turd.

Right or Wrong, I think Avery has got to go. He is clearly unable to reach these guys anymore.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

That's the biggest crime of all. I didn't think we'd get this one because we're so dependent on Dirk, but there's no excuse for being out-hustled and out-desired. We needed a win in the worst way to get some breathing room between us and the Warriors/Nuggets, and they drop this turd.

Right or Wrong, I think Avery has got to go. He is clearly unable to reach these guys anymore.


Avery has got to stay. I am sorry but he is a great coach who is working out the kinks. Unless Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Larry Brown or Coach Pop are on the market...Avery stays!

[mikejones99]

Cuban wouldn't let Avery trade dirk, so soon avery must go because even he knows you have to get inside to win and the mavs cannot do it.

[StylisticS]

Right or Wrong, I think Avery has got to go. He is clearly unable to reach these guys anymore.

You know, I've stuck up for Avery in the past. But now I'm starting to see the light. He is really being exposed and his animation does nothing to the players now because they are starting to see him as a joke. I wonder if the team started to give up on him when he sat Jason Kidd in the last :35 against San Antonio.

[LazinessThievery]

4-5 since the Kidd trade. Yeah, great fucking acquisition. DAL is absolutely dominating like every Mavs fan in here said they would when Kidd got onboard :rolleyes:

<> Kidd is 3rd in the league in turnovers;
<> We've given up 100-ppg post-Kidd acquisition versus 96-ppg pre-Kidd;
<> Our backup to Damp is either the undersized Bass, the weakling pussy Dirk, or the out-of-shape Magloire who's slow and unathletic when he IS healthy;
<> All of our starters next season except for Howard will be 30 or older;
<> We've sold out our future at PG by dumping Harris who had improved in virtually every aspect each year since his rookie season and had an affordable contract;
<> We have 1 1st-rounder over the next 3 years;
<> We'll be tight against the cap next year even with guys like Stack coming off the books thanks to Kidd's ridiculous salary so good luck trying to find some decent backups. So basically combining this point with the prior 3, you realize this is the team we're going to have next year, only it'll be 1 year older and with worse depth.

Way to go Cuban and all the idiot Mavs fans in here who actually criticized people who dared opine that the Kidd trade was a bad one. Kudos.

[Findog]

Avery has got to stay. I am sorry but he is a great coach who is working out the kinks. Unless Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Larry Brown or Coach Pop are on the market...Avery stays!

He's not getting through to these guys. He's a good coach, but he's also a control-freak perfectionist. The average shelf life for a coach is three years. Avery's coming up on that, and he's the kind that grinds a team down in the Fratello/Skiles mode. I honestly believe that Jeff Van Gundy, Rick Carlisle and Larry Brown could do more with this team than he could and has. It's not completely on Avery because he wasn't on the floor, but there's also no denying that he was completely outcoached by Riley and Nellie. Say we pull it together enough to get a decent seed and advance to the second round. How do you feel about Avery matching wits with Phil Jackson?

[Findog]

4-5 since the Kidd trade. Yeah, great fucking acquisition. DAL is absolutely dominating like every Mavs fan in here said they would when Kidd got onboard :rolleyes:

<> Kidd is 3rd in the league in turnovers;
<> We've given up 100-ppg post-Kidd acquisition versus 96-ppg pre-Kidd;
<> Our backup to Damp is either the undersized Bass, the weakling pussy Dirk, or the out-of-shape Magloire who's slow and unathletic when he IS healthy;
<> All of our starters next season except for Howard will be 30 or older;
<> We've sold out our future at PG by dumping Harris who had improved in virtually every aspect each year since his rookie season and had an affordable contract;
<> We have 1 1st-rounder over the next 3 years;
<> We'll be tight against the cap next year even with guys like Stack coming off the books thanks to Kidd's ridiculous salary so good luck trying to find some decent backups. So basically combining this point with the prior 3, you realize this is the team we're going to have next year, only it'll be 1 year older and with worse depth.

Way to go Cuban and all the idiot Mavs fans in here who actually criticized people who dared opine that the Kidd trade was a bad one. Kudos.

Hi Jeff.

[monosylab1k]

4-5 since the Kidd trade. Yeah, great fucking acquisition. DAL is absolutely dominating like every Mavs fan in here said they would when Kidd got onboard :rolleyes:

<> Kidd is 3rd in the league in turnovers;
<> We've given up 100-ppg post-Kidd acquisition versus 96-ppg pre-Kidd;
<> Our backup to Damp is either the undersized Bass, the weakling pussy Dirk, or the out-of-shape Magloire who's slow and unathletic when he IS healthy;
<> All of our starters next season except for Howard will be 30 or older;
<> We've sold out our future at PG by dumping Harris who had improved in virtually every aspect each year since his rookie season and had an affordable contract;
<> We have 1 1st-rounder over the next 3 years;
<> We'll be tight against the cap next year even with guys like Stack coming off the books thanks to Kidd's ridiculous salary so good luck trying to find some decent backups. So basically combining this point with the prior 3, you realize this is the team we're going to have next year, only it'll be 1 year older and with worse depth.

Way to go Cuban and all the idiot Mavs fans in here who actually criticized people who dared opine that the Kidd trade was a bad one. Kudos.
hey suns troll.

[StylisticS]

I know I was against that trade as well as Findog. But what Mav fan was on here that was for the trade. I know there were a few. Several, I bet.

[monosylab1k]

I know I was against that trade as well as Findog. But what Mav fan was on here that was for the trade. I know there were a few. Several, I bet.
I was for the trade, and I still am. This team wouldn't be any better with Devin Harris or Diop. With the complete lack of effort on display, they could have traded for LeBron and still lost tonight.

The Mavs aren't dead yet, and they've got a better chance of a comeback with Jason Kidd than with Devin Harris.

[Indazone]

The scary thing about the Rockets is this:

No Yao
No Francis

Battier said that Rockets haven't gotten Adleman's offense down yet. There is still a lot of new plays to learn and improvement to be made.

[Indazone]

I was for the trade, and I still am. This team wouldn't be any better with Devin Harris or Diop. With the complete lack of effort on display, they could have traded for LeBron and still lost tonight.

The Mavs aren't dead yet, and they've got a better chance of a comeback with Jason Kidd than with Devin Harris.

I don't think so. You guys traded speed for an aging pt guard who's best years are behind him. The only reason that Kidd put up monster numbers in NJ was because the system was more of a Euro system. Not so in Dallas. Not only that but you had a serviciable center position with Diop/Dampier. Now you have left all the center duties to Dampier.

You guys are screwed.

[Findog]

I know I was against that trade as well as Findog. But what Mav fan was on here that was for the trade. I know there were a few. Several, I bet.

I wouldn't have done the deal, but once it completely fell apart initially, I felt that they had to go through with it for chemistry reasons. They obviously felt that this team wasn't going to get it done in the postseason with Devin Harris at PG, so standing pat with the status quo is not an option. I think this team can still get it together enough to maybe win a series, but that's about it. There's something deeply wrong with the chemistry and heart of this team after the trauma of the last two playoff exits, and bringing in Kidd was the first and hopefully not the last step in remedying and addressing that.

It looks like Donnie, Mark and Avery felt that they were once again headed for a disappointing Titanic in the playoffs, and they didn't want a third straight meltdown on their hands. I only wish they had made such a major change of course in the offseason when they would've had a training camp and 50 additional games to get this thing up and running. Changing on the fly like this in the middle of the season rarely works. Tweaking is one thing, but other than the Rockets trading for Clyde Drexler, when has a team made a major alteration mid-season and really prospered?

That is what this trade was about just as much X's and O's. You know, the Cavaliers can beat a championship-caliber team and make a Finals, come up short of winning the whole thing, and it's a breakthrough and nothing to be criticized for. And Dallas did the same thing, accomplished more than they ever had before in franchise history, and it's somehow a mark of shame.

[Indazone]

The only thing the Mavericks should have done is Trade for a Big. By that I don't mean Shaq either. But had you guys gotten Emeka Okafor or Elton Brand, damn! Oh well...too late for that. You had all the speed and handling you needed at Pt. Guard and now it's blown.

[Findog]

I don't think so. You guys traded speed for an aging pt guard who's best years are behind him. The only reason that Kidd put up monster numbers in NJ was because the system was more of a Euro system. Not so in Dallas. Not only that but you had a serviciable center position with Diop/Dampier. Now you have left all the center duties to Dampier.

You guys are screwed.

The problem with Diop and Dampier is that they didn't give us enough points from the Center position. It was a fatal handicap against Golden State.

[Indazone]

Well, maybe you guys can fix it in the offseason. I hear Zach Randolph and Jermaine O'Neal are looking for homes. Even Eddy Curry would be better than what you have now.

[Findog]

Well, maybe you guys can fix it in the offseason. I hear Zach Randolph and Jermaine O'Neal are looking for homes.

Not interested in either of those guys or their contracts. Our biggest asset for getting a back to the basket low-post scorer is Josh Howard and Devean George's Bird Rights.

[The Franchise]

Well, maybe you guys can fix it in the offseason. I hear Zach Randolph and Jermaine O'Neal are looking for homes. Even Eddy Curry would be better than what you have now.
Jermaine O'neal, maybe. Zach Randolph and Eddie Curry? FUCK NO!!!!!!!!

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Tweaking is one thing, but other than the Rockets trading for Clyde Drexler, when has a team made a major alteration mid-season and really prospered?


Rasheed Wallace in 2004.

But you're right, 9 times out of 10, these big trades at the deadline make for very little time to gel.

[Findog]

Rasheed Wallace in 2004.

But you're right, 9 times out of 10, these big trades at the deadline make for very little time to gel.

The Pistons didn't give up much to get him if I recall. And the Celtics waved Lindsay Hunter and he went right back to Detroit. Pistons sent out Chucky Atkins, Bobby Sura and that Rebraca guy, nobody who was important to them.

[Findog]

Jermaine O'neal, maybe. Zach Randolph and Eddie Curry? FUCK NO!!!!!!!!

O'Neal's knees are shot. He doesn't play on the 2nd night of B2Bs.

[Indazone]

If I were to take a risk, I'd say Eddie Curry's upside is bigger than all of them. I'd go for Curry. He's starting to learn how to play the big man game. Look at Kaman last year. He sucked but this year he's putting up near All-Star numbers. Big Z sorta sucked too but he's decent. I think Curry with the right teachers could be pretty decent with the right team. The Knicks are definately the wrong team.

Knicks have got to get rid of one of the two next year. Curry or Randolph cause they both take rebounds and scoring away from each other. They are the same type of player.

[Findog]

If I were to take a risk, I'd say Eddie Curry's upside is bigger than all of them. I'd go for Curry. He's starting to learn how to play the big man game. Look at Kaman last year. He sucked but this year he's putting up near All-Star numbers. Big Z sorta sucked too but he's decent. I think Curry with the right teachers could be pretty decent with the right team. The Knicks are definately the wrong team.

Knicks have got to get rid of one of the two next year. Curry or Randolph cause they both take rebounds and scoring away from each other. They are the same type of player.

I agree Curry still has a chance to be taught how to play the right way. He's not an idiot off the court like Randolph.

[mattb_25]

It's not even about harris, diop or kidd.... It's about how much they are willing to give into the game. They aren't even trying, all I see is the fucking lazy ass players walking around on the court, and its just ridiculous.

Its a fuckin shame how much these guys are just throwing games away now. Not only that but it's incredible what Avery is doing to Jkidd.. I'm so tired of seeing the same offensive plays that we ran with Harris, with Kidd now. Or why do we still have Jet, Jho and George bringing up the fucking ball when we GOT kidd.. What a fucking idiot avery is.

[Roxsfan]

fuck the kids, and fuck the dude that said that. that guy was just writing "suck my nuts" and calling people "bitch" so that hypocrite can fuck off.

LOL

[timvp]

Damn it Mavs. Don't you dare get in that 8th seed. There'd be too much negative karma at work if the Spurs were the first seed. That'd be disgusting.

:nope





P.S.

I can't bring myself to watch a Rocket game. A certain someone playing awesome makes me too pizzed.

:pctoss

[DaDakota]

How sweet it is.....

[robbie380]

If I were to take a risk, I'd say Eddie Curry's upside is bigger than all of them. I'd go for Curry. He's starting to learn how to play the big man game. Look at Kaman last year. He sucked but this year he's putting up near All-Star numbers. Big Z sorta sucked too but he's decent. I think Curry with the right teachers could be pretty decent with the right team. The Knicks are definately the wrong team.

Knicks have got to get rid of one of the two next year. Curry or Randolph cause they both take rebounds and scoring away from each other. They are the same type of player.



curry is fucking terrible. the guy can't rebound or play defense. rebounding is one of those things you are good at or you aren't good at. defense you can get better at but it is pretty much the same. curry is a decent scorer in the post but other than that the guy sucks nuts.

[Obstructed_View]

curry is a decent scorer in the post but other than that the guy sucks nuts.
Which is why he's TMac's favorite teammate.

[sribb43]

even with devin the mavs would have gotten blasted...Dirk and Kidd are the only players on this team worth a damn, the rest are trash that need to be dumped

[DaDakota]

Findog,

No need to change your sig, I forgive the bet.

DD

[Brandon Bass]

Hey Mavs fans, sorry for sucking last night. I played good for like 7 minutes tho!

[LazinessThievery]

DAL = 4-5 with Kidd.
DAL = 5-5 when Harris was injured and out for 10 games and Terry was starting at PG.

So basically, DAL with the wife-beater isn't just worse than when Harris was our PG, DAL is worse than when Harris was injured and out and the useless Terry was our PG. Great pickup.

(applause)...

[monosylab1k]

DAL = 4-5 with Kidd.
DAL = 5-5 when Harris was injured and out for 10 games and Terry was starting at PG.

So basically, DAL with the wife-beater isn't just worse than when Harris was our PG, DAL is worse than when Harris was injured and out and the useless Terry was our PG. Great pickup.

(applause)...
Hi Suns Troll.

Dallas is losing to the Lakers, Spurs, Jazz, etc with Kidd.

They were losing to the Sixers & Nets before the trade.

Try using your brain next time. Oh wait, you're a Suns fan. Nevermind.

[DazedAndConfused]

I think DAL deserves everything they have coming to them. From their cocky fans to their annoying ass owner I have never seen an organization talk so much shit for having won absolutely nothing.

[dickface]

I think DAL deserves everything they have coming to them. From their cocky fans to their annoying ass owner I have never seen an organization talk so much shit for having won absolutely nothing.
Hi Jeff.

[Hemotivo]

P.S.

I can't bring myself to watch a Rocket game. A certain someone playing awesome makes me too pizzed.

:pctoss

:spin

[mavsfan1000]

I think DAL deserves everything they have coming to them. From their cocky fans to their annoying ass owner I have never seen an organization talk so much shit for having won absolutely nothing.
:stfu :idiot

[Indazone]

curry is fucking terrible. the guy can't rebound or play defense. rebounding is one of those things you are good at or you aren't good at. defense you can get better at but it is pretty much the same. curry is a decent scorer in the post but other than that the guy sucks nuts.

Haha Curry is a shorter version of Yao. He will put up similar numbers to Yao until he plays Yao head on. That's when that extra height of Yao owns Curry.

[DaDakota]

More panic from the Mavs fans....I mean Curry...HONESTLY?????? Curry....ROFLMAO !!!

DD