Active Hall-of-Famers

[Galileo]

According to this chart, these are the 15 active Hall-of-Famers:

Rank Player HoF Prob

1. Shaquille O'Neal 1.0000
2. Tim Duncan 1.0000
3. Allen Iverson 1.0000
4. Kevin Garnett 1.0000
5. Kobe Bryant 0.9996
6. Steve Nash 0.9993
7. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9992
8. Vince Carter 0.9401
9. Jason Kidd 0.8852
10. Tracy McGrady 0.8593
11. Paul Pierce 0.8487
12. Ray Allen 0.8145
13. Grant Hill 0.6997
14. Chris Webber 0.6594
15. Gilbert Arenas 0.5708

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob_active.html

What do you guys think. Did they miss anybody? Is there someone on the list who won't make it?

Discuss.

[Spurminator]

Are there a ton of points awarded for Slam Dunk Competitions? How is VC ahead of Kidd?

[Xylus]

Are there a ton of points awarded for Slam Dunk Competitions? How is VC ahead of Kidd?
Yeah, I'm not seeing how Vince Carter has a 94% probability of entering the HOF. I'd say more like 70%.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Dirk is a HOF?

[Xylus]

Dirk is a HOF?
MVP, led his team to the Finals, has consistently led the Mavs into the playoffs... those are pretty good credentials.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

Ginobili should be # 6

[BlackSwordsMan]

MVP, led his team to the Finals, has consistently led the Mavs into the playoffs... those are pretty good credentials.
Nash got robbed of that MVP.

[DarrinS]

MVP, led his team to the Finals, has consistently led the Mavs to choke in the playoffs... those are pretty good credentials.


Fixed.

[jag]

I dont think Arenas is HoF material...that's just me...

[MoSpur]

Vince Carter? Gilbert Arenas?

[Xylus]

Fixed.
Homer.

[BlackSwordsMan]

I dont think Arenas is HoF material...that's just me...
Damn didn't even see that. Agreed.

[BlackSwordsMan]

AI over Kobe? What a terrible list.

[Xylus]

I think Kobe is a 100% lock for the HOF.

[urunobili]

. Vince Carter 0.9401
. Tracy McGrady 0.8593
. Paul Pierce 0.8487
. Ray Allen 0.8145
. Grant Hill 0.6997
Chris Webber 0.6594
. Gilbert Arenas 0.5708

all of those <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Manu

[urunobili]

in their chances to make it there i meant

[Lebowski Brickowski]

16. Tony Parker 0.3668

[Lebowski Brickowski]

27. Manu Ginobili 0.0542

[Xylus]

That list becomes more and more horrible as you go down toward the bottom.

[jag]

I'm actually surprised Manu doesnt have more consideration for his world accomplishments...

[barbacoataco]

Vince Carter, Arenas and Ray Allen are questionable as HOF'ers.

IMO a HOF'er should be either:
1. A player who was the best player on a team that either won the championship, or at least got to the Finals. Such a player should have a Finals MVP on their resume. Most of the all-time greats qualify- Jordan, Bird, Duncan, Kareem, Olajuwon etc.

2. A player who was the best player at their position for at least a 4-5 year stretch, and also had success in the playoffs. A player like John Stockton gets in here.

3. A great individual player who led the league in important stats multiple times. This concerns players like Dominique Wilkins and Iverson (who also barely gets in under #1.)

[BlackSwordsMan]

I'm actually surprised Manu doesnt have more consideration for his world accomplishments...
it's because he isn't american :downspin:

[robino2001]

Did they miss anybody?

ummmmmm, LeBron?

[jag]

it's because he isn't american :downspin:

haha neither is Dirk

[BlackSwordsMan]

haha neither is Dirk
or duncan

[MoSpur]

Manu might be on that list next year. He has so many intangibles.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm actually surprised Manu doesnt have more consideration for his world accomplishments...

That's because this list is purely statistical and based on accomplishments in the NBA. I'm presuming this is the Hall of Fame probability metric from basketball-reference.com. The probabilities created by the metric are based primarily on statistical achievements, leading the league in categories, making All-Star teams, winning post-season awards with a small bonus for team accomplishments. Manu will never do well from a statistical standpoint -- Tim Duncan doesn't really, either -- but I don't think this metric was ever intended to be a definitive measure.

By the way, the odds seriously favor Dirk's enshrinement. He has the best NBA resume of any European player ever. He's a dominant shooter and among this generation's greatest scorers. And, say what you will, but he's won the MVP award. The theory will get tested over time, but every past MVP who has become eligible for the Hall of Fame has been enshrined. Michael Jordan, David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Karl Malone, Shaquille O'Neal, Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson, and Kevin Garnett are all no-brainers to be enshrined as well. That leaves Nash (who's going to make it, in my opinion) and Dirk, and I'd say that Dirk's resume is sufficient to warrant enshrinement if he were to retire tomorrow.

[LocosPorJuana]

If they placed grant hill on that list, yao ming should be included..The man has united cultures. The same goes for manu.

Oh and horry should also be considered. The guy has won everywhere he's played, with the exception of PHx.

[remingtonbo2001]

:wow

When did the Hall of Fame get so trashy?

[Galileo]

I just did a calculation. Once Lebron gets to 400 games played, he will be rated a 97% chance of making the Hall.

The chart only considers those with 400 games.

That seems reasonable as it would put him # 8 on the current chart. All those ahead of him have won an MVP or multiple titles, or both.

Ginobili makes the Hall based on other non-NBA achievements.

[jag]

I really wonder if Manu will make it or not...

[romad_20]

Looks like it doesn't take into account anything but NBA stats:


For the Hall of Fame problem, I tried to use as many predictor variables as I could think of, but I did not use statistics that have not been kept for most of the NBA's history (e.g., steals). My player pool consisted of players who had played a minimum of 400 NBA games and had been eligible for at least one Hall of Fame election. After trying numerous models, my final model had eight predictor variables:

height (in inches)
last season indicator (1 if 1959-60 or before, 0 otherwise)
NBA points per game
NBA rebounds per game
NBA assists per game
NBA All-Star game selections
log(NBA MVP awards won + 0.5)
NBA championships won
All of the predictors listed above were significant at the 0.03 level except for log(NBA MVP awards won + 0.5), which had a P-value of 0.1621. However, every NBA MVP award winner who is eligible for the Hall of Fame has been elected, so I thought it was important to keep that term. Other than height, all of the predictors had positive coefficients. ABA statistics, honors, and championships were not important predictors of Hall of Fame status, which is why I only used NBA statistics in my final model. I don't like ignoring the ABA statistics, but that's what the voters have apparently done. Keep in mind that my goal was not to determine who should be in the Hall of Fame, but rather who is likely to be in the Hall of Fame.

The table below gives the parameter estimates of the coefficients for each of the seven predictors:

height -0.1608
last season indicator 4.2612
NBA points per game 0.4616
NBA rebounds per game 0.3181
NBA assists per game 0.4350
NBA All-Star game selections 0.5769
log(NBA MVP awards won + 0.5) 5.3361
NBA championships won 1.0773

Manu will make it because of International competition. We all know he's a winner on every level he's played on. I do still think the NBA should have it's own wing and induct it's own players in each year, since it's the pinnacle of the sport. The basketball Hall takes all levels of basketball into the hall of fame.

[JamStone]

Kidd is more than a lock than Iverson.

Disagree. But, at any rate, I think both are a lock.

[Supergirl]

31. Robert Horry 0.0288

That to me says there's something wrong with their math.
Horry should be a HOF lock. With as many rings as he's won, with his clutchness, winning with as many different teams as he had - come on.

And to have Vince Carter and Chris Webber ahead of him? What the hell have those two done?

[freemeat]

1. Shaquille O'Neal 1.0000
2. Tim Duncan 1.0000
3. Allen Iverson 1.0000
4. Kevin Garnett 1.0000
5. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
6. Steve Nash 1.0000
7. Manu Ginobili 1.0000 (It's a BASKETBALL HoF -- not just NBA)
8. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9992
9. Jason Kidd 0.8852
10. LeBron James (A career-ending injury would not keep him out...)
11. Chauncey Billups .8500 (Finals MVP, 2 appearances anyone?)
12. Robert Horry (7 Rings and counting...most clutch player ever...Duh...)
13. Paul Pierce 0.8487
14. Ray Allen 0.8145
15. Tracy McGrady 0.8000
16. Grant Hill 0.6997
17. Yao Ming 0.6500 (again, basketball in general...his influence is monumental)
18. Vince Carter 0.6500
19. Gilbert Arenas 0.5708
20. Chris Webber 0.5000



FIXED...in my own way. When all is said and done, TP will be considered along with Chris Paul and Deron Williams...they just need more time, IMO.

[JamStone]

31. Robert Horry 0.0288

That to me says there's something wrong with their math.
Horry should be a HOF lock. With as many rings as he's won, with his clutchness, winning with as many different teams as he had - come on.

And to have Vince Carter and Chris Webber ahead of him? What the hell have those two done?


Steve Kerr and Kurt Rambis and John Salley too?

[timmy21_4rings]

I do not think the following are HOF players:

8. Vince Carter 0.9401
10. Tracy McGrady 0.8593
11. Paul Pierce 0.8487
12. Ray Allen 0.8145
13. Grant Hill 0.6997
14. Chris Webber 0.6594
15. Gilbert Arenas 0.5708

I also think Nash, Kid and Dirk will have hard time to enter into HOF. Nash has never gone to Finals.

[FromWayDowntown]

Steve Kerr and Kurt Rambis and John Salley too?

Michael Cooper is really pissed at you . . . .

[SenorSpur]

Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Carmelo Anthony

I know these guys are just four years into their careers. But based on the numbers they're putting up, and their Olympic contributions, they should be headed in that direction.

[Manudona]

Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Carmelo Anthony

I know these guys are just four years into their careers. But based on the numbers they're putting up, and their Olympic contributions, they should be headed in that direction.


I am not sure if you are serious or sarcastic. What Olympic contributions are you talking about? Lebronze? That would be good for almost any country but the US.

[sa_kid20]

How does Iverson have a better chance than Kobe?

[Shaolin-Style]

i guess iverson gets more weight cause of his forgettable mvp.

[ChuckD]

ummmmmm, LeBron?
WAAAAAAAY to early to even call him a lock. Look at Wade. He's 26 and injuries have trashed a once promising career. It can happen to anyone.

Projecting, you can say LeBron will probably make it, but no one is a lock after 5 years. Jordan wasn't even a lock after 5 years. He was known as a hog who didn't make his team mates better and a playoff choker at that point.

[ChuckD]

Looks like it doesn't take into account anything but NBA stats:

And since it isn't the NBA Hall of Fame, but the Basketball HOF with a large international component, Manu is a mortal lock with his combined European, International competition, and NBA resumes. Euroleague champion, Olympic gold, WC silver, 3 NBA titles.

[Behrooz24]

31. Robert Horry 0.0288

That to me says there's something wrong with their math.
Horry should be a HOF lock. With as many rings as he's won, with his clutchness, winning with as many different teams as he had - come on.

And to have Vince Carter and Chris Webber ahead of him? What the hell have those two done?
http://smiliesftw.com/x/hhj.gif Stay in the kitchen

[bigfan]

I agree with the first six (and thats all).

[dg7md]

Only the top 6 and Kidd will make the HOF from that list. A slight case for Allen if he wins a championship before he retires and plays a big part of that run, and if he didn't get the 3 point shot achievement he wouldn't even be mentioned in the possible shot at making the HOF despite his shooting credentials.

[ShoogarBear]

Nah, the first SEVEN (yes, including Dirk), and JKidd are the locks.

Everyone else will be a discussion.

[Medvedenko]

The list is obviously taking career accomplishments as a basis. Lebron will be there unless he suffers a huge injury and fucks up his career.

[dbreiden83080]

Are there a ton of points awarded for Slam Dunk Competitions? How is VC ahead of Kidd?

If i had a vote no way in hell is Carter getting in. What the hell did he do in his career??? To me he is one step above Allan Houston, a very good offensive player who is a shit defender and a lousy leader.

[dbreiden83080]

Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Carmelo Anthony

I know these guys are just four years into their careers. But based on the numbers they're putting up, and their Olympic contributions, they should be headed in that direction.

Barring injuries they will all make it for sure. D-Wade may not get in if he keeps getting hurt.

[O-Factor]

Vince Carter is NOT a HOFer.

[dbreiden83080]

Vince Carter is NOT a HOFer.

I don't think he is even close. If it took Dominique Wilkins 2 tries to get in, how does anyone let Vince Carter get in at all??? :drunk

[WildcardManu]

According to this chart, these are the 15 active Hall-of-Famers:

Rank Player HoF Prob

1. Shaquille O'Neal 1.0000
2. Tim Duncan 1.0000
3. Allen Iverson 1.0000
4. Kevin Garnett 1.0000
5. Kobe Bryant 0.9996
6. Steve Nash 0.9993
7. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9992
8. Vince Carter 0.9401
9. Jason Kidd 0.8852
10. Tracy McGrady 0.8593
11. Paul Pierce 0.8487
12. Ray Allen 0.8145
13. Grant Hill 0.6997
14. Chris Webber 0.6594
15. Gilbert Arenas 0.5708

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob_active.html

What do you guys think. Did they miss anybody? Is there someone on the list who won't make it?

Discuss.
8. Vince Carter 0.9401 <--- what has this prima dona done?
11. Paul Pierce 0.8487 <--- he's good but not that good
12. Ray Allen 0.8145 <---- don't know
13. Grant Hill 0.6997 <----- Never really did anything but be injured
14. Chris Webber 0.6594 <------ hmmm..
15. Gilbert Arenas 0.5708 <---- too young to be considered

[Deimosfobos]

Terrible list...

[mob]

ray allen













see reggie miller

[mojorizen7]

8. Vince Carter 0.9401 <--- what has this prima dona done?
11. Paul Pierce 0.8487 <--- he's good but not that good
12. Ray Allen 0.8145 <---- don't know
13. Grant Hill 0.6997 <----- Never really did anything but be injured
14. Chris Webber 0.6594 <------ hmmm..
15. Gilbert Arenas 0.5708 <---- too young to be considered
:clap Yeah that.

[hsxvvd]

O'Neal, Duncan, Kobe, and Manu are the only active players I think will reach the hall of fame.

O'Neal, Duncan and Kobe only NBA players who would make it tomorrow if they retired. Manu should do, but more so due to his international duties.

Garnett, Dirk, Nash are good players but other than MVP what have they actually achieved? Iverson would be more so than them he led his teams to the finals basically by himself and MVP. Neither Kidd or Dirk can't say he's done that.

[mathbzh]

Garnett, Dirk, Nash are good players but other than MVP what have they actually achieved? Iverson would be more so than them he led his teams to the finals basically by himself and MVP. Neither Kidd or Dirk can't say he's done that.

What did Gervin achieved? Is he in the HOF?

EDIT:
Garnett and Dirk being bigmen the "what have they achieved" question is legitimate but IMO it is unfair to evaluate guards like that.

[romain.star]

O'Neal, Duncan, Kobe, and Manu are the only active players I think will reach the hall of fame.

O'Neal, Duncan and Kobe only NBA players who would make it tomorrow if they retired. Manu should do, but more so due to his international duties.

Garnett, Dirk, Nash are good players but other than MVP what have they actually achieved? Iverson would be more so than them he led his teams to the finals basically by himself and MVP. Neither Kidd or Dirk can't say he's done that.

Iverson led his team to the Finals by himslef but back then, the Eastern Conference was even weaker than today.

The Finals proved it

[MajorMike]

MVP, led his team to the Finals, has consistently led the Mavs into the playoffs... those are pretty good credentials.

Tell that to Dennis Johnson

Wow find another team with more on the list, especially in the top 32.

2. Tim Duncan 1.0000
16. Tony Parker 0.3668
27. Manu Ginobili 0.0542
31. Robert Horry 0.0288
32. Michael Finley 0.0283
45. Damon Stoudamire 0.0075

Very funny that Marion is #20 and the only Stoudamire on the list is Damon.

[smeagol]

Bogus list

[ambchang]

Iverson led his team to the Finals by himslef but back then, the Eastern Conference was even weaker than today.

The Finals proved it
You mean the 6ers being the only team to actually have beaten the Lakers in the playoffs that year?

[ambchang]

Nowitzki and Nash are locks. Both were MVPs, both were dominant offensive players and multiple all-stars. Both have led their teams to relative success in the playoffs, and to top things off, both improved their country's basketball teams dramatically with their presence (especially Nowitzki).

Anybody who say that they do not belong to the HoF is a blind homer.

[bobbybob0]

Vince Carter, Arenas and Ray Allen are questionable as HOF'ers.

IMO a HOF'er should be either:
1. A player who was the best player on a team that either won the championship, or at least got to the Finals. Such a player should have a Finals MVP on their resume. Most of the all-time greats qualify- Jordan, Bird, Duncan, Kareem, Olajuwon etc.

2. A player who was the best player at their position for at least a 4-5 year stretch, and also had success in the playoffs. A player like John Stockton gets in here.

3. A great individual player who led the league in important stats multiple times. This concerns players like Dominique Wilkins and Iverson (who also barely gets in under #1.)

Agreed, that's how I'd qualify a NBA HOF (rules are different for foreign HOF players/coach).

And Iverson is close to qualifying at #2 as well

[FromWayDowntown]

An argument that Kevin Garnett is not a Hall of Famer is beyond ludicrous. Yes, his teams haven't had great playoff success -- that's likely to change this year -- but that doesn't diminish the fact that he's clearly a top-5 player in the post-Jordan era (Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Garnett, Iverson) and undoubtedly one of the 60 or so greatest players to ever play the game. Guys like that are locks for the Hall of Fame. Add to his MVP award the fact that Garnett has been on multiple All-NBA and All-Defense teams and has been a perennial All-Star while consistently being among the league leaders in multiple categories and a consistent top-10 finisher in the MVP voting and I have a really hard time understanding how anyone other than the most ardent hater could think he's not going to the Hall of Fame.

[mathbzh]

KG, AI, Dirk, Nash and Kidd are lock for the HOF

Gino also for his international career.
Yao probably for is huge impact on the world wide basketball market.

For the other players I don't really know.

[Jimcs50]

All on list will make it. The basketball HOF is not unlike collecting enough boxtops of a certain cereal in order to qualify. It is by far the easiest HOF to get into of any sport.

[Jimcs50]

Check out the list of HOFers:

Half of the names are probably not even known to 90% of all of us in here. No other sport would have this many unknowns enshrined.

A B
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Player
*Forrest Clare Allen, Coach
*W. Harold Anderson, Coach
Nathaniel Archibald, Player
*Paul J. Arizin, Player
*Arnold J. Auerbach, Coach
Geno Auriemma, Coach
*Thomas B. Barlow, Player
Leon Barmore, Coach
Charles Barkley, Player
*Justin M. (Sam) Barry, Coach
Richard F. Barry, Player
Elgin Baylor, Player
*John Beckman, Player
*Clair F. Bee, Contributor
Walter Bellamy, Player
Sergei Belov, Player
*Senda Berenson Abbott, Contributor
*Danny Biasone, Contributor
David Bing, Player
Larry Bird, Player
Carol Blazejowski, Player
*Ernest A. Blood, Coach
Jim Boeheim, Coach
*Bernard Borgmann, Player
William W. Bradley, Player
Hubert “Hubie” Brown, Contributer
*Joseph R. Brennan, Player
Larry Brown, Coach
*Walter A. Brown, Contributor
Buffalo Germans
*John W. Bunn, Contributor

C D
*Howard G. Cann, Coach
Jim Calhoun, Coach
*Henry Clifford Carlson, Coach
Louis P. Carnesecca, Coach
Bernard L. Carnevale, Coach
Pete Carril, Coach
*Everett N. Case, Coach
Original Celtics
Alfred N. Cervi, Player
*Wilton N. Chamberlain, Player
Van Chancellor, Coach
John Chaney, Coach
Jerry Colangelo, Contributor
Jody Conradt, Coach
*Charles T. Cooper, Player
*Kresimir Cosic, Player
Robert J. Cousy, Player
David W. Cowens, Player
Joan Crawford, Player
Denzil (Denny) E. Crum, Coach
William J. Cunningham, Player
Denise Curry, Player
Drazen Dalipagic, Player
Charles J. Daly, Coach
*Robert E. Davies, Player
*Everett S. Dean, Coach
*Forrest S. DeBernardi, Player
*David A. DeBusschere, Player
*Henry G. Dehnert, Player
*Antonio Diaz-Miguel, Coach
*Edgar A. Diddle, Coach
Anne Donovan, Player
*Robert L. Douglas, Contributor
*Bruce Drake, Coach
Clyde Drexler, Player
*Alva O. Duer, Contributor
Joe Dumars, Player

E F
Wayne Embry, Contributor
*Paul Endacott, Player
Alex English, Player
*James E. Enright, Referee
Julius W. Erving, Player
*Clifford B. Fagan, Contributor
Pedro Ferrandiz, Coach
The First Team
*Harry A. Fisher, Contributor
*Lawrence Fleisher, Contributor
*Harold E. Foster, Player
Walter Frazier, Player
*Max Friedman, Player
*Joseph F. Fulks, Player

G H
Sandro Gamba, Coach
*Clarence E. Gaines, Coach
David Gavitt, Contributer
*Lauren Gale, Player
Harry J. Gallatin, Player
*James H. (Jack) Gardner, Coach
*William "Pop" Gates, Player
George Gervin, Player
*Amory T. Gill, Coach
Thomas J. Gola, Player
*Aleksandr Gomelsky, Coach
Gail Goodrich, Player
*Edward Gottlieb, Contributor
Harold E. Greer, Player
*Robert F. Gruenig, Player
*Sue Gunter, Coach
*Dr. Luther Gulick, Contributor
Clifford O. Hagan, Player
*Alexander (Alex) Hannum, Coach
*Victor A. Hanson, Player
Harlem Globetrotters, Team
Lusia Harris-Stewart, Player
*Lester Harrison, Contributor
Marv K. Harshman, Coach
Don Haskins, Coach
John Havlicek, Player
Cornelius L. Hawkins, Player
Elvin E. Hayes, Player
Marques Haynes, Player
Thomas W. Heinsohn, Player
*George T. Hepbron, Referee
*Ferenc Hepp, Contributor
*Chick Hearn, Contributor
*Edgar S. Hickey, Coach
*Edward J. Hickox, Contributor
*Paul D. Hinkle, Contributor
*Howard A. Hobson, Coach
*Nat Holman, Player
*William "Red" Holzman, Coach
Robert J. Houbregs, Player
Bailey Howell, Player
*George H. Hoyt, Referee
*Charles D. Hyatt, Player

I J
*Henry P. Iba, Coach
*Edward S. Irish, Contributor
Daniel P. Issel, Player
Phil Jackson, Coach
*Harry (Buddy) Jeannette, Player
*William C. Johnson, Player
*Donald Neil Johnston, Player
Earvin "Magic" Johnson, Player
K. C. Jones, Player
*R. William Jones, Contributor
Samuel (Sam) Jones, Player
*Alvin F. Julian, Coach

K L
*Frank W. Keaney, Coach
*J. Walter Kennedy, Contributor
*Matthew P. Kennedy, Referee
*George E. Keogan, Coach
Robert M. Knight, Coach
*Edward W. Krause, Player
Mike Krzyzewski, Coach
John Kundla, Coach
Robert A. Kurland, Player
*Ward L. Lambert, Coach
Robert J. Lanier, Player
*Joe Lapchick, Player
*Lloyd R. Leith, Referee
Meadowlark Lemon, Contributor
Nancy Lieberman, Player
*Emil S. Liston, Contributor
*Harry Litwack, Coach
Earl Lloyd, Contributor
*Kenneth D. Loeffler, Coach
*Arthur C. Lonborg, Coach
Clyde E. Lovellette, Player
Jerry R. Lucas, Player
*Angelo Luisetti, Player

M N
Edward C. Macauley, Player
Moses Malone, Player
Hortencia Marcari, Player
*Peter P. Maravich, Player
Slater N. Martin, Player
Robert McAdoo, Player
*Branch McCracken, Player
*Jack McCracken, Player
*Arad A. McCutchan, Coach
*Robert McDermott, Player
*Alfred J. McGuire, Coach
*Frank J. McGuire, Coach
Richard S. McGuire, Player
Kevin McHale, Player
*John B. McLendon, Jr., Coach
*Walter E. Meanwell, M.D., Coach
Dino Meneghin, Player
*Raymond J. Meyer, Coach
Ann E. Meyers, Player
* Zigmund "Red" Mihalik, Referee
*George L. Mikan, Player
Vern Mikkelsen, Player
Cheryl Miller, Player
*Ralph H. Miller, Coach
*William G. Mokray, Contributor
Vernon Earl Monroe, Player
Billie Moore, Coach
*Ralph Morgan, Contributor
*Frank Morgenweck, Contributor
Calvin J. Murphy, Player
*Charles C. Murphy, Player
*Dr. James Naismith, Contributor
New York Rens
Peter F. Newell, Coach
Charles Newton, Contributor
*Aleksandar Nikolic, Coach
Mirko Novosel, Coach
*John P. Nucatola, Referee

O P
*John J. O'Brien, Contributor
*Lawrence F. O'Brien, Contributor
*Harold G. Olsen, Contributor
Lute Olson, Coach
*Harlan O. Page, Player
Robert Parish, Player
*Drazen Petrovic, Player
Robert L. Pettit, Player
*Andy Phillip, Player
*Maurice Podoloff, Contributor
*James C. Pollard, Player
*Henry V. Porter, Contributor

Q R
*Ernest C. Quigley, Referee
John (Jack) T. Ramsay, Coach
Frank V. Ramsey, Jr., Player
Willis Reed, Jr., Player
*William A. Reid, Contributor
*Elmer H. Ripley, Contributor
Arnold (Arnie) Risen, Player
Oscar P. Robertson, Player
*John S. Roosma, Player
Cesare Rubini, Coach
*Marvin "Mendy" Rudolph, Referee
*Adolph F. Rupp, Coach
*John D. Russell, Player
William F. Russell, Player

S T
*Leonard D. Sachs, Coach
*Lynn W. St. John, Contributor
*Abraham Saperstein, Contributor
*Arthur A. Schabinger, Contributor
Adolph Schayes, Player
*Ernest J. Schmidt, Player
*John J. Schommer, Player
*Barney Sedran, Player
Uljana Semjonova, Player
+ Bill W. Sharman, Player
+ Bill W. Sharman, Coach
*Everett F. Shelton, Coach
*J. Dallas Shirley, Referee
Dean E. Smith, Coach
*Amos Alonzo Stagg, Contributor
Borislav Stankovic, Contributor
*Christian Steinmetz, Player
*Edward S. Steitz, Contributor
*Maurice Stokes, Player
*Earl Strom, Referee
Pat Head Summitt, Coach
*Charles H. Taylor, Contributor
*Fred R. Taylor, Coach
*Bertha F. Teague, Contributor
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Isiah Thomas, Player
David Thompson, Player
John Thompson, Coach
*John A. Thompson, Player
Nate Thurmond, Player
*David Tobey, Referee
*Oswald Tower, Contributor
*Arthur L. Trester, Contributor
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*Robert P. Vandivier, Player

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*Edward A. Wachter, Player
*L. Margaret Wade, Coach
*David H. Walsh, Referee
William T. Walton, Player
Robert Wanzer, Player
*Stanley H. Watts, Coach
*W. R. Clifford Wells, Contributor
Jerry A. West, Player
Nera D. White, Player
*Louis G. Wilke, Contributor
+Leonard (Lenny) WilkensPlayer
+Leonard (Lenny) WilkensCoach
Dominique Wilkins Player
Roy Williams, Coach
Lynette Woodard, Player
Morgan Wootten, Coach
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James Worthy, Player
*George Yardley, Player
Kay Yow, Coach

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*Fred Zollner, Contributor



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[robbie380]

marbury and francis are 18 & 19 :dizzy

[Mitch Cumsteen]

How the fuck did Calvin Murphy make it in? And where's Artis?

[Galileo]

How the fuck did Calvin Murphy make it in? And where's Artis?

there is an anti-ABA bias at the Hall-of-Shame.

I sent an email to Artis Gilmore last year, expressing my concern that he had not been enshrined. I also offered to write a letter to David Stern in support of the A-Train.

I got a letter back from Artis' reresentative thanking me for my offer, but I am told it will be a few years yet before Artis is again eligible to be enshrined.

Artis and the Hall of Fame
http://www.artisgilmore.com/Artis_Hall_of_Fame.html

"What the experts are saying about Artis"
HALL OF FAME?
READ WHY THE EXPERTS SAY YES...
Still Waiting for Hall of Fame Call
http://www.artisgilmore.com/Hall_of_Fame_d_friedman.html

:fro

[FromWayDowntown]

How the fuck did Calvin Murphy make it in? And where's Artis?

Calvin Murphy made it, at least in part, because he was a tremendous collegiate player at Niagara. He was a 3-time All-America player and was one of the most prolific scorers on a per game basis in NCAA history. I would absolutely agree that his NBA career didn't warrant enshrinement, but neither did Bill Bradley's.

In truth, the historical precedents that exist in some of these cases make Basketball Hall of Fame arguments really hard to make. Based on the precedents of Murphy and Bradley, there's no way in hell that a guy like Christian Laettner should be excluded -- Laettner is arguably the most accomplished male collegiate basketball player since the mid-80's. Like Murphy and Bradley, he had a decent (but not great NBA career) that included one All-Star appearance. On top of that, he matches Bradley in international accomplishments to some extent, having been a part of the original Dream Team and winning gold at Barcelona. I don't see how Murphy and Bradley can be in and Laettner excluded, but I suspect that will happen.

[Galileo]

Calvin Murphy made it, at least in part, because he was a tremendous collegiate player at Niagara. He was a 3-time All-America player and was one of the most prolific scorers on a per game basis in NCAA history. I would absolutely agree that his NBA career didn't warrant enshrinement, but neither did Bill Bradley's.

In truth, the historical precedents that exist in some of these cases make Basketball Hall of Fame arguments really hard to make. Based on the precedents of Murphy and Bradley, there's no way in hell that a guy like Christian Laettner should be excluded -- Laettner is arguably the most accomplished male collegiate basketball player since the mid-80's. Like Murphy and Bradley, he had a decent (but not great NBA career) that included one All-Star appearance. On top of that, he matches Bradley in international accomplishments to some extent, having been a part of the original Dream Team and winning gold at Barcelona. I don't see how Murphy and Bradley can be in and Laettner excluded, but I suspect that will happen.

You'd think Laettner would make the Hall-of-fame based on his college play alone. He is the all-time leading scorer in NCAA tournament history.

He won the famous Kentucky game with a last second shot. He also won the Connecticut game as a freshman, putting Duke in the Final Four, with a last second shot.

His most amazing game ever was the 1991 semi-finals against the Runnin' Rebels of UNLV. Duke was a 10 point underdog.

[FromWayDowntown]

You'd think Laettner would make the Hall-of-fame based on his college play alone. He is the all-time leading scorer in NCAA tournament history.

He won the famous Kentucky game with a last second shot. He also won the Connecticut game as a freshman, putting Duke in the Final Four, with a last second shot.

His most amazing game ever was the 1991 semi-finals against the Runnin' Rebels of UNLV. Duke was a 10 point underdog.

Laettner's collegiate legacy is more than just a couple of memorable games, but I think you're right in a general sense. I just have my doubts that Laettner will get there in the current sports environment, where his collegiate feats have largely been drowned out by the cries of "bust" to describe his NBA career. I think it will be difficult for Americans who are average to slightly-above average NBA players to reach the Hall any more, even if they were among the greatest collegiate players ever. The trend seems more towards excluding guys who were great in college but didn't do a great deal in the NBA -- Ralph Sampson probably has a really good Hall argument, too, based on some of the precedent that exists (he won the Naismith Award three times, the Wooden Award twice, and was First Team All-America three straight seasons -- more than could be said for Murphy, Bradley, or Laettner), but it would shock me if he was ever enshrined.

[ShoogarBear]

KG, AI, Dirk, Nash and Kidd are lock for the HOF

Gino also for his international career.
Yao probably for is huge impact on the world wide basketball market.

For the other players I don't really know. http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Tim-Duncan-R_5.jpg

"Um . . . wow. I mean, that really hurts."

[ShoogarBear]

Laettner will get in eventually, no question. Outside of a UCLA center and Bill Russell (and arguably Bradley and David Thompson), he had the greatest college career ever.

I think it weakens the Basketball HoF to a gigantic extent that they don't have separate College, NBA, and International hall.

[FromWayDowntown]

Laettner will get in eventually, no question. Outside of a UCLA center and Bill Russell (and arguably Bradley and David Thompson), he had the greatest college career ever.

I think it weakens the Basketball HoF to a gigantic extent that they don't have separate College, NBA, and International hall.

It would certainly make it easier for a lot of casual fans to understand why certain players are enshrined in the Hall of Fame.

I hadn't really thought about Sampson's argument before today. I think the thing that will forever cost him is the fact that Virginia never won a damned thing while he was there (and lost to Chaminade), but I don't think that detracts from the fact that he was one of the most dominant collegiate players ever. I think you're right about Laettner's collegiate greatness and I have no doubt that he belongs, given who's in, but I also wonder, given Sampson's difficulty getting recognized, Laettner might get overlooked as well.

[polandprzem]

Laettner will get in eventually, no question. Outside of a UCLA center and Bill Russell (and arguably Bradley and David Thompson), he had the greatest college career ever.

I think it weakens the Basketball HoF to a gigantic extent that they don't have separate College, NBA, and International hall.

How you can seperate some players achivenments?

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Calvin Murphy made it, at least in part, because he was a tremendous collegiate player at Niagara. He was a 3-time All-America player and was one of the most prolific scorers on a per game basis in NCAA history. I would absolutely agree that his NBA career didn't warrant enshrinement, but neither did Bill Bradley's. At least Bill Bradley was on that historic Knicks team, and he also had the whole political thing too. What the hell did Calvin Murphy ever do other than act like a complete jackass when his consecutive free throw record was in jeopardy and get sued by his countless illegitimate kids for being a pedophile?

And this is straight from Artis's wikipedia page:
He played college basketball at Gardner-Webb Junior College and Jacksonville University, leading the Dolphins to the NCAA title game in 1970. During the two years Gilmore played NCAA basketball at Jacksonville, he became one of the few college players ever to average at least 20 points and 20 rebounds over a career. He led the NCAA in rebounding both years, and his career average of 22.7 rebounds per game is still the highest in NCAA Division I history.


In truth, the historical precedents that exist in some of these cases make Basketball Hall of Fame arguments really hard to make. Based on the precedents of Murphy and Bradley, there's no way in hell that a guy like Christian Laettner should be excluded -- Laettner is arguably the most accomplished male collegiate basketball player since the mid-80's. Like Murphy and Bradley, he had a decent (but not great NBA career) that included one All-Star appearance. On top of that, he matches Bradley in international accomplishments to some extent, having been a part of the original Dream Team and winning gold at Barcelona. I don't see how Murphy and Bradley can be in and Laettner excluded, but I suspect that will happen.
It's a really screwed up Hall of Fame, that is for damn sure.

[ShoogarBear]

I forgot about Sampson, too. And that's an excellent point.

There's no way you can take Laettner and not take Sampson. Laettner won more in college, but he had Grant Hill and Bobby Hurley and the best Sampson had was, who? Otis Wilson?

And on the basis of pro careers, there's no comparison.

[ShoogarBear]

How you can seperate some players achivenments?They do it all the time in other US sports. The only kicker is that in basketball there's a big International contingent. And in essence, there already is mandate separation because of the different pathways to get into the basketball HoF.

[Galileo]

Artis Gilmore - How is this not Hall-of-Fame?

• Named to Sporting News’ Top 50 of the first 50 Years of the NBA

• Named to Athlon’s Top 50 of the first 50 Years of the NBA

• ABA Championship, Kentucky Colonels, 1975

• Career .599 field-goal percentage - highest in NBA history

• 3rd highest shot blocker in pro basketball history (3,178)

• 4th highest rebounder in pro basketball history (16,330)

• 14th of all time pro basketball scorers (24,941)

• Leading left-handed scorer in professional basketball history

• One of only eight players in college history to average 20 points and 20 rebounds per game over a career

• All Star in 11 of 17 years as a pro

• 5th best all-time for pro minutes played (43,836)

• Played 670 consecutive games

• ABA Most Valuable Player and Rookie, 1971-72

• ABA single-season record for the most blocked shots (422)

• All-time ABA rebounds per game (40)

• Won 4 out of 5 ABA rebounding titles

• Led Jacksonville University to the NCAA championship final game vs UCLA in 1970

• Top of ESPN’s list of “Players Missing From The Hall Of Fame”

http://www.artisgilmore.com/Career_Profile.html

[Galileo]

non-active NBA Players not in Hall who should be:

Michael Jordan

Karl Malone

Hakeem Olajuwon

David Robinson

Scottie Pippen

Patrick Ewing

Gary Payton

John Stockton

Jo Jo White

Adrian Dantley

Mitch Richmond

Chet Walker

Bob Dandridge

Tim Hardaway

Willie Naulls

Dennis Johnson

[mathbzh]

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Tim-Duncan-R_5.jpg

"Um . . . wow. I mean, that really hurts."
Sorry but I don't really get it. I guess your post is funny but can't understand why.

[gospursgojas]

How is Kobe not a lock?

VC????Arenas???

[Sec24Row7]

Manu, Horry and TD should all be locks to be HoF players.

Horry is the only player that didn't play with Bill Russell that has more than 6 rings.

TD... Duh...

Manu... You can't keep him out. He isn't probably going to get put up before he is 50... but he will get in.

[polandprzem]

They do it all the time in other US sports. The only kicker is that in basketball there's a big International contingent. And in essence, there already is mandate separation because of the different pathways to get into the basketball HoF.

Okay so when we have for excample Bill walton. He will make callege HOF and NBA HOF am I right? Or can he be in only one?

Basketball is being played in Europe also so you think that there should be european HOF? What about the others? People who made this sport like coaches or managers.

Umm, I've got a feeling that I'm asking meaningless questions...

Where is exit?

[Admiral]

Grant Hill? In the Hall of Fame? No way. The same goes for players like Ray Allen. While those guys are good players, they haven't done anything to warrant Hall of Fame status in my book. I would rather err on the side of caution when it comes to enshrinement. Otherwise, every player who has ever played in an All-Star game or scored over 18 ppg one season will be in.

[ShoogarBear]

Sorry but I don't really get it. I guess your post is funny but can't understand why.Look at who you named, and who you didn't, in your post.

[ShoogarBear]

Okay so when we have for excample Bill walton. He will make callege HOF and NBA HOF am I right? Or can he be in only one?Right now there IS only one. So he would get in mostly on the strength of his college career.

If there were separate ones (or separate wings in a single Hall) then he would be a lock for the College Hall, but there would be debate about whether he played enough to make the NBA one.


Basketball is being played in Europe also so you think that there should be european HOF?In my version, there would be an International Wing for those players.

Right now there are no set criteria to distinguish college vs. International vs. NBA players. John Wooden is in the HoF as a player and also as a coach. If you don't clearly delineate your criteria, putting John Wooden in as a player justifies putting, say, Robert Horry in as a player.


What about the others? People who made this sport like coaches or managers.I would have the same three different branches for them as for players.


mm, I've got a feeling that I'm asking meaningless questions...

Where is exit?Not at all.

[mathbzh]

Look at who you named, and who you didn't, in your post.
Sorry, my post was not clear enough. I just talked about player making debate in this thread. Duncan, Shaq or Kobe are so obvious HOFer that I didn't feel I had to talk about them.

[Korny Earl]

holy shit if manu isnt on this list.. olympic gold medal. championship(s) with the biggest basketball league in the world.. unlike a lot of people on that list. a completely dominate player to sports center highlights.. and pretty much etc.
just by that 1 damn player missin id say the list has multiple issues...

[mathbzh]

holy shit if manu isnt on this list.. olympic gold medal. championship(s) with the biggest basketball league in the world.. unlike a lot of people on that list. a completely dominate player to sports center highlights.. and pretty much etc.
just by that 1 damn player missin id say the list has multiple issues...

This list is the result of statistical analysis on players NBA numbers and accomplishments (MVP, titles, ASG...). With this approch and given his short NBA career Ginobili can't be on that list.
I believe this statistical analysis is quiet useless given the small size of the sample and the number of degrees of freedom.

[Korny Earl]

Awards
Italian League All-Star: 1999, 2000, 2001
Italian League Most Improved Player: 2000, 2001, 2002
Euroleague Most Valuable Player: 2001
Italian Cup Most Valuable Player: 2002
NBA All-Star: 2005
All-Tournament Team, FIBA World Championship: 2002, 2006
Ideal Olympics Team: 2004
Summer Olympic Games Most Valuable Player: 2004
Olimpia de Oro: 2003, 2004 (shared with Carlos Tévez)
50 Greatest Euroleague Contributors: 2008
Titles
Italian League Championship: 2001
Italian Cup: 2001, 2002
Euroleague: 2001
Americas Championship: 2001
NBA Championship: 2003, 2005, 2007
Summer Olympic Games gold medal: 2004
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- Now I know the majority of this is foreign, but if this isnt a hall of fame resume (not to mention hes still going strong as hell) then i dont know wtf is.. i mean honestly who the hell here, suns, lakers or spurs fans really thinks ginobili wont make hall of fame? or do you all think duncan casted to big of a shadow? i SURE the fuck dont.