Big 12 Tournament Thread

[K-State Spur]

OK State & Tech in a good one to start it off (even if few of their fans decided to trip it).

[degenerate_gambler]

yep, pretty good game.

[MajorMike]

Down to the wire. Nice to get to play UT again.

[degenerate_gambler]

Baylor shouldn't have too much of a problem with Colorado.

[RonMexico]

Down to the wire. Nice to get to play UT again.

OMG - you guys are gonna win the tournament and get an automatic bid!

[degenerate_gambler]

Baylor shouldn't have too much of a problem with Colorado.



nice call so far.. :donkey

[RonMexico]

It's ok, Oklahoma State is the team to beat.

[samikeyp]

Down to the wire. Nice to get to play UT again.


As a UT fan, its nice to play Okie Lite again.

At least I will know they will advance. :)

[degenerate_gambler]

Baylor/Colorado going to 2nd OT...

[RonMexico]

Baylor/Colorado going to 2nd OT...

Oh man, it should go to 6. Good thing I put that Ag game on for an extra 30 minutes tonight, since the start time will probably be delayed thanks to this.

[K-State Spur]

Has Baylor played themselves squarely onto the bubble? The only reason they wouldn't be is their RPI, but it's pretty iffy how much recent committees really care about that stupid number.

[SrA Husker]

Nice to know this needed a new thread despite me starting one a few days ago.

Baylor, welcome to the NIT.

[K-State Spur]

You will survive.

[Doug Collins]

Nice to know this needed a new thread despite me starting one a few days ago.

Baylor, welcome to the NIT.

We needed some extra Big 12 threads to offset the onslaught of UTSA ones.

[K-State Spur]

Whatever worries Baylor would have had have likely been offset by much less deserving bubble teams also losing today. Same goes for A&M. I thought they might need two wins in this tourney, but I think they're in after today.

Good win by UNL, hopefully they can give the Jayhawks a test.

OSU can give Tejas some problems if they get hot from 3.

Colorado, good to see you, you're likely done after tomorrow.

[Doug Collins]

Whatever worries Baylor would have had have likely been offset by much less deserving bubble teams also losing today. Same goes for A&M. I thought they might need two wins in this tourney, but I think they're in after today.

Good win by UNL, hopefully they can give the Jayhawks a test.

OSU can give Tejas some problems if they get hot from 3.

Colorado, good to see you, you're likely done after tomorrow.

Aggies still didn't play well and hopefully the flu bug doesnt take out the rest of the team tonight. Tomorrow should be a good game assuming the aggies are at full strength.

[MajorMike]

I remember when the flu decimated OSU when we lost to Florida in the Elite Eight in 2000 which was DMase and Gottlieb's senior year.

OSU has played UT very well this year; lost by 2 on a last second shot at home and led late before losing by 5 @ Austin last Sunday. Eaton had an awful game yesterday but the rest of the team showed, which is encouraging. I would not be shocked to win but at the same time I would not be shocked to get beat by 25; just the sort of year we have had.

A freaky point about OSU's play:
Freshmen combined for 37 points and 15 rebounds, to include the game winning free throw, in addition to the game saving block and subsequent steal on the last 2 plays of the game.

Anyone remember that CU beat uo this year? I'm betting uo does.

The bugeaters got completely wiped off the face of the earth in their 2 meetings with KU this year - simply too many matchup probs. I see the same today.

I don't know what to think about the KSU/atm game. atm can't guard Beasley (who can?) but his supporting cast has been far from stellar of late. I don't see atm beating KSU but I didn't think atm could win at BU either and they did, of course now we know that wasn't ALL that big of deal.

I say in all cases the higher seed wins amidst little fanfare.

[Doug Collins]

I remember when the flu decimated OSU when we lost to Florida in the Elite Eight in 2000 which was DMase and Gottlieb's senior year.

OSU has played UT very well this year; lost by 2 on a last second shot at home and led late before losing by 5 @ Austin last Sunday. Eaton had an awful game yesterday but the rest of the team showed, which is encouraging. I would not be shocked to win but at the same time I would not be shocked to get beat by 25; just the sort of year we have had.

Anyone remember that CU beat uo this year? I'm betting uo does.

The bugeaters got completely wiped off the face of the earth in their 2 meetings with KU this year - simply too many matchup probs. I see the same today.

I don't know what to think about the KSU/atm game. atm can't guard Beasley (who can?) but his supporting cast has been far from stellar of late. I don't see atm beating KSU but I didn't think atm could win at BU either and they did, of course now we know that wasn't ALL that big of deal.

I say in all cases the higher seed wins amidst little fanfare.

The aggies would be okay giving up Beasley's normal production, they cannot allow Walker to go off again. Considering how Jordan looked last night and that Jones was pretty much unavailable for the end of the game, I don't think the team is going to be healthy enough to win.

If ou allows that puss ass Roby to drop 32 on them, they don't deserve to be in the Big 12. :hat

[MajorMike]

Well, I have had the flu this past couple weeks. Whereas you are weak and a little queasy for 5-10 days, the really rolling nasty uncomfortable stage is only around 24-36 hours. I would expect Jordan, albeit a little weak, to be back but if Jones was just getting symptons that might not be good.

[RonMexico]

If I could list the number of times Mike said "I don't see atm beating [insert team here]," I'd have a 4-page thread.

[johngateswhiteley]

I don't know what to think about the KSU/atm game. atm can't guard Beasley (who can?) but his supporting cast has been far from stellar of late. I don't see atm beating KSU but I didn't think atm could win at BU either and they did, of course now we know that wasn't ALL that big of deal.


...you are such an infant.

[K-State Spur]

It depends if it's food poisoning or the flu (most people don't realize that these two ailments are very often misdiagnosed for each other).

I had this flu back in February, and if I had tried to play basketball with it, they could have forgotten the gurney and gone straight for the casket.

If it's food poisoning, it's quite possible that the guys could actually be 100% by tonight's game.

[MajorMike]

Pokes end half on a 10-2 run to take 33-32 lead into lockerroom.

Only 2 UT starters have scored field goals. Augustine has gotten everything he has wanted so far.

[johngateswhiteley]

Pokes end half on a 10-2 run to take 33-32 lead into lockerroom.

Only 2 UT starters have scored field goals. Augustine has gotten everything he has wanted so far.

t.u. starts half on 12-0 run...fyi

[degenerate_gambler]

ok st is not a very good team...NIT good I guess, maybe, but NCAA good...no way.


Good job Texas..

[RonMexico]

Pokes end half on a 10-2 run to take 33-32 lead into lockerroom.

Only 2 UT starters have scored field goals. Augustine has gotten everything he has wanted so far.

It's spelled "Augustin" you moron. Not surprised you don't know it, since you only know two things about B12 basketball: OSU and rooting against A&M.

And locker room is two words. This is the guy that tried to correct my grammar...

[RonMexico]

ok st is not a very good team...NIT good I guess, maybe, but NCAA good...no way.


Good job Texas..

Maybe NIT. They'll be lucky to get it after Marist destroyed them last year.

[K-State Spur]

ok st is not a very good team...NIT good I guess, maybe, but NCAA good...no way.


Good job Texas..

In terms of talent 1 through 8, OK State is near the top of the conference. They're just very undisciplined on both ends of the floor.

[MajorMike]

ok st is not a very good team...NIT good I guess, maybe, but NCAA good...no way.


Good job Texas..

I agree OSU isn't that great, however UT (a sure-fire #2 seed) beat them 3 times by a combined 14 points, so not sure what that says about UT or parity or whatever.

It was actually a pretty decent game if not for the 14-0 run out of the gates in the 2nd half. Got as close a 3 in the last 3 mins, but couldn't get any closer.

Still, a very nice end to the year by beating 3 tourney teams and the only 3 teams to beat us in the last 11 games were to the #1/3/4 seeds in the B12. Couldn't have asked for much more after that 6-game losing streak.

[Herschel Walker]

What happened to Gary Johnson? The write-up said he left the game on a bad leg. Ankle? If he can't go in the tourney that really weakens the front court depth.

[johngateswhiteley]

whats that? did A&M just make it to the semifinals in the Big 12 tourney? ...huge win...(see RPI thread). hope we can play kansas tough and have a shot at the finals.

...i thought Turgeon's team was going to fold? k-state fan and capt. mike can blow me.

[K-State Spur]

whats that? did A&M just make it to the semifinals in the Big 12 tourney? ...huge win...(see RPI thread). hope we can play kansas tough and have a shot at the finals.

...i thought Turgeon's team was going to fold? k-state fan and capt. mike can blow me.

hey, i just told you what happened 4 out of 5 years at WSU (and plenty of A&M fans thought it was happening here too). I'm looking around for any posts that are talking about A&M's strong finish heading into the Big 12 tourney...not finding them (and yes, I'm well aware that K-State limped to the finish themselves).

you can blow yourself over that mighty 8-8 season with a team that was picked 2nd.

[johngateswhiteley]

hey, i just told you what happened 4 out of 5 years at WSU (and plenty of A&M fans thought it was happening here too). I'm looking around for any posts that are talking about A&M's strong finish heading into the Big 12 tourney...not finding them (and yes, I'm well aware that K-State limped to the finish themselves).

you can blow yourself over that mighty 8-8 season with a team that was picked 2nd.


its how you finish...blow me. sorry we had to knock the cats out of the tourney without Jordan...good luck in the NCAAs.

[MajorMike]

Was atm's best win of the year - neutral floor win over a tourney team with the POY.

[RonMexico]

The Big 12 POY.

[SrA Husker]

I hope KU enjoyed the home-cooking they got in the second half last night... as if it wasn't painfully obvious by the no-calls, how the whistle didn't start blowing until KU started making their comeback, or the 24-6 free throw differential, a user at HuskerHoopsCentral did some research...


I found a site that sort of ranks the officials on a stat called "average home foul margin" and each of these 3 officials rank in the bottom 1/3 of all refs for calling more fouls against the visiting team than the home team.

Thornley is the worst, averaging 4.2 more calls against the visitors per game.

Davis is next at 3.41 more calls against the visitors per game.

And Self is "best" of the crew with a mere 2.51 more calls against the visitors per game.

Collectively, that crew accounts for 10.11 more calls against the visitors PER GAME, which corresponds with the free throw differential we saw tonight.

And of course that's just fouls. That says nothing about the uncalled stepping on the end line or the double dribble that wasn't called, etc.

I think it would be difficult to assemble a worse crew if you tried. All three in the bottom 1/3 of all officials. Good frickin grief.

Regardless, I'm really impressed with Nebraska's play last night and admit pulling the upset would of still been a long-shot even without KU's home cooking. Here's hoping NU can be playing in MSG in a few weeks.

[K-State Spur]

I hope KU enjoyed the home-cooking they got in the second half last night... as if it wasn't painfully obvious by the no-calls, how the whistle didn't start blowing until KU started making their comeback, or the 24-6 free throw differential, a user at HuskerHoopsCentral did some research...



Regardless, I'm really impressed with Nebraska's play last night and admit pulling the upset would of still been a long-shot even without KU's home cooking. Here's hoping NU can be playing in MSG in a few weeks.

i don't think the big 12 does KU any favors in terms of playing for a national title. every year, they get all the calls in conference play, then when they get the tournament and teams are allowed to body up to them and get physical, they just whine and look flabbergasted that they're not getting a 2::1 free throw advantage.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

LOL

I hope to the basketball gods A&M upsets KU in some freaky freaky unlikely turn of events. Those trainstation practicing aggies will not even comprehend what has hit them when they face us in a stadium depleted of mouth-frothed crazed lunatic aggie fans.

[Whisky Dog]

Gotta complete the okie domination first, 6 up and 6 down against the multitude of okies.

No Johnson, weakens that front line against a pretty good OU front line. Good news for Texas is that OU's guards suck.

Where's Abrahms? The shooter was MIA in the two gamer against OSU. Just a bad matchup?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

OU's guards are insanely shitty. But the loss of johnson pretty much assures our season is as good as over.

We have no chance against KU or in the bid dance without him.

[Whisky Dog]

Johnson was a game time decision IIRC for this one, so chances are he's out for tomorrow if they win.


I think he'll be ready to go next week. That's one tough mofo.

[Whisky Dog]

Abrams needs someone to get him an iPod with the Rocky theme playing on loop. The kid looks shitty in this game too.

[Whisky Dog]

Wangmene is throwin okie bitches around. Somewhere RC is smiling.

[K-State Spur]

its how you finish...blow me. sorry we had to knock the cats out of the tourney without Jordan...good luck in the NCAAs.

I'm not gonna give you the Jordan disclaimer, we had to play every game without David Hoskins thanks to a knee injury, who people outside of North may not know was the best all-around player on KSU's 23 win team last year. He would have made a huge difference on a team that struggled for consistency around Beasley.

But - forgetting Jordan - A&M made some plays and definitely deserved the win. Bill Walker had another awful game when we needed him. And the KSU defense was just pathetic for long stretches. I don't think the Aggies had to take a contested jumper in the first half. They either got lay-ups or wide open 3s.

I actually highly respect A&M, my brother is an alum. But after watching him here in town for almost a decade, I stand by my statements that A&M could have done better than the Turg.

I will say this: I really wish the margin had been something other than 3 thanks to Kirk's slop bank-shot with the shot clock expiring. That being the difference had me pissed off for while.

[Whisky Dog]

What's up with Bill Walker disappearing in big games? Wasn't he in the top 5 or 6 in the league in scoring on the season?

[Whisky Dog]

Will there ever be a game DJ Augustin plays where the tv announcers don't mention:


1) DJ Augustin was displaced by Katrina
2) DJ Augustin played a lot of heated pickup ball with TJ Ford last summer
3) DJ Augustin went to the Steve Nash skills camp

???

Thank God Augustin plays much better defense than Nash.

[Whisky Dog]

Oklahoma is a dream matchup for any coach who loves running zone. Jim Boeheim would jizz his pants if he got the chance to play them.

[K-State Spur]

What's up with Bill Walker disappearing in big games? Wasn't he in the top 5 or 6 in the league in scoring on the season?

Well, he had a huge game against KU, and played well in the first A&M match-up, so it's probably not fair to say that he disappears in big games. But he sure has been inconsistent of late. He doesn't really have much a jumper. His set-shot from 3 has been pretty solid since conference play started (although it was horrid last night), and he's a beast for anybody who isn't significantly bigger than he is to handle on the low block. But he gets frustrated easily (and I think his attitude wears on officials to the point that they'll hit him for chippies, and then let teams get physical with him on the other end), and he's not the kind of player who raises his game when he gets mad.

[Herschel Walker]

domination by the Longhorns. That second half was impressive, especially against a rival who should be NCAA bound in the semi finals of the tourney.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

aggies simply do not have the fire power to keep up with KU


their defense is not doing too well either, way too many points given up already.

[johngateswhiteley]

fuck kansas and fuck...everything...dammit! i wanted to beat ku so fucking bad...fuck! why did Sloan have to get hurt and Jordan was worthless again! noooooooo! i really thought A&M might play t.u. in the final.

fuck....

maybe we can get a 7 seed?

[Herschel Walker]

Now that Tenn got bounced by Ark you gotta think that the winner of Texas and Kansas claims that last #1 seed to join UNC, Memphis, and UCLA.

[MajorMike]

whats that? did A&M just make it to the semifinals in the Big 12 tourney? ...huge win...(see RPI thread). hope we can play kansas tough and have a shot at the finals.

...i thought Turgeon's team was going to fold? k-state fan and capt. mike can blow me.


Talk about your fair weather fan.


the most disgusting thing i have seen in a long...long...long time. we shouldn't make the tournament based on this game (ou) alone.

[johngateswhiteley]

Talk about your fair weather fan.

i don't think you're educated. did that mean i abandoned my team and stopped rooting and hoping? ...lol, what a loser.

[Whisky Dog]

This is a damn good and entertaining game between KU and Texas. Hope Texas takes 'em down but both teams are playing at a very high level.

[Herschel Walker]

This would be impressive for Texas to win what is basically a road game against Kansas. If both teams take this level of play into the tourney they could be 2 of the final 4 teams.

[Whisky Dog]

Damn, I don't like Kansas in any sport, but they are damn good at moving the ball around. Texas needed Augustin, Abrams, and James to step up big and James dropped the ball in this game. Luckily for them this is basically the warm up for sudden death starting Thursday/Friday.

[degenerate_gambler]

Damn, I don't like Kansas in any sport, but they are damn good at moving the ball around. Texas needed Augustin, Abrams, and James to step up big and James dropped the ball in this game. Luckily for them this is basically the warm up for sudden death starting Thursday/Friday.


at least Texas doesn't have to play USC and get steamrolled again this year.