If there is a God, the Spurs WILL repeat as champions this season

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

God won't let us down............................. if there is one

[ChumpDumper]

Why would God give a crap?

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Why would God give a crap?




that is not for us to decide

[duncan228]

:bang

[ChumpDumper]

that is not for us to decideWe don't decide for God, but we can certainly surmise why he would give a crap.

Why would God give a crap?

[Agloco]

Why would God give a crap?

Because God is a Spurs fan?

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

We don't decide for God, but we can certainly surmise why he would give a crap.

Why would God give a crap?




Because if there was a God, he was would the Spurs to repeat, simple as that

[ChumpDumper]

Because God is a Spurs fan?What about all those years the Spurs didn't win?

You're calling God a bandwagoner.

[freemeat]

God won't let us down............................. if there is one

You should get on your knees and work for it, then...

[ChumpDumper]

Because if there was a God, he was would the Spurs to repeat, simple as thatSo you are basing your religious beliefs on a basketball team's winning consecutive championships.

[duncan228]

You're calling God a bandwagoner.

Alone in my living room I actually burst out laughing.

Thanks ChumpDumper. I needed that.

[freemeat]

Because if there was a God, he was would the Spurs to repeat, simple as that

Drop the bible and pick up a remedial English course. They're offered everywhere.

[SequSpur]

Got damn already.

[freemeat]

God won't let us down............................. if there is one

If the Spurs don't win it's because God just hates you, though.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

So if we don't repeat, can I use that as evidence that there isn't a God?

:rolleyes

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

What about all those years the Spurs didn't win?

You're calling God a bandwagoner.




God was testing the Spurs, must have wanted the Spurs to really enjoy the feeling of a repeat and making this one so much sweeter



but this is only the case if there is one

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

A lot of stupid threads this Sunday afternoon, more than usual....

[ChumpDumper]

God was testing the Spurs, must have wanted the Spurs to really enjoy the feeling of a repeat and making this one so much sweeterWhich translation of the Bible are you getting this from?

When they say "King James Version" they don't mean Lebron.

[duncan228]

When they say "King James Version" they don't mean Lebron.

:lmao

Oh God...you're killing me.

[Flight3107]

God is a Brian Scalabrine fan

[Agloco]

What about all those years the Spurs didn't win?

You're calling God a bandwagoner.


Um, how bout, busy? Until recently.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

God is with the Spurs

[timmy21_4rings]

God won't let us down............................. if there is one

u r a stupid & idiot guy..

[Amarelooms]

God won't let us down............................. if there is one

If there is a God the Spurs will play the Mavs and get OWNED :elephant

[JamStone]

If there was a god, I'd find $10 million in my bank account tomorrow and run into a hot latina at lunch and she gives me a blowjob in the restaurant bathroom.

That is if there is one.

[Agloco]

If there was a god, I'd find $10 million in my bank account tomorrow and run into a hot latina at lunch and she gives me a blowjob in the restaurant bathroom.

That is if there is one.

APPROVED.

[Extra Stout]

Can posters be banned for persistent stupidity?

[duncan228]

Can posters be banned for persistent stupidity?

God I hope so.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Can posters be banned for persistent stupidity?
If there is a God, yes.

[vander]

hey, if God were a fan of any team it would be the Spurs, DRob and Avery got us in his favor, and the continued humility and classiness of this team has kept us there.

right? :angel

[migs21]

what ever happens there is GOD

[remingtonbo2001]

hey, if God were a fan of any team it would be the Spurs, DRob and Avery got us in his favor, and the continued humility and classiness of this team has kept us there.

right? :angel

If we as fans stay humble, then yes.

Although, Jesus said not to test God. He was a pretty wise dude.

So while God is more than likely a Spurs fan, I think God would allow evolution to run it's course. Even God desires anticipation, because without it you can't expierence the joy and exhiraration that follows. It's the ying and the yang baby!

Just an opinion, take it for what it's worth.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

If there was a god, I'd find $10 million in my bank account tomorrow and run into a hot latina at lunch and she gives me a blowjob in the restaurant bathroom.

That is if there is one.


If there was a god, you wouldn't need to go in the bathroom.

[Don Quixote]

I'm sure God's existence can be reasonably established without bringing the Spurs into it. If there is no God, then one can argue that objective values and morals become meaningless, the universe wouldn't hold together, etc. Not sure the Spurs losing quite qualifies.

In other words, he's there regardless of who wins. Although I would agree that God "ought" to arrange the universe so that the Spurs, indeed, bring home the trophy again. Then again, who are we to say that God "ought" to do anything?

Plato grappled with this one: is something good because God did it, or did God do it because it is good?

[jay014]

Because God is a Spurs fan?
God doesn't give a shit.
If God was a Spurs fan. Why only 4 championships and no repeats
and the Celtics 16
Lakers 13
Bulls 6
and for Scolawhacker21 the Spurs didn't trade Scola to a divisional rival for nothing. It was God.

[baseline bum]

God won't let us down............................. if there is one

There's not one, but I think we'll still win anyways.

[G O D]

God won't let us down............................. if there is one
There is one. For I am the Alpha and the Omega.
What is meant to be, will be.
Above all else:
BELIEVE

[G O D]

And yes, I am a SPURS FAN.
I would like to give a shout out to all the Piston fans:
HEY!

[vander]

And yes, I am a SPURS FAN.
I would like to give a shout out to all the Piston fans:
HEY!

lol - member since 7-7-07 :lol

you should see if kori can put a little infinity sign there, that would be even better :lol

[Don Quixote]

There's not one.

How'd you come to know this? I mean, is this a "probably there is no God," "there might be one," or, "the evidence is not convincing". Or is it, "I know absolutely that there is no God"? Even Hume and Nietzsche stopped short of saying that.

And ... cmon ... how can there not be a God when we have beauties like ...

Eva Longoria
Paloma
Scarlett Johanson?
Jessica Alba?
You think these beauties just evolved? No ... they were created ... for our enjoyment.

[vander]

How'd you come to know this? I mean, is this a "probably there is no God," "there might be one," or, "the evidence is not convincing". Or is it, "I know absolutely that there is no God"? Even Hume and Nietzsche stopped short of saying that.

And ... cmon ... how can there not be a God when we have beauties like ...

Eva Longoria
Paloma
Scarlett Johanson?
Jessica Alba?
You think these beauties just evolved? No ... they were created ... for our enjoyment.

yeah, but on the flip side, that would mean that suns fans were actually created as well :dizzy

[Don Quixote]

A valid observation -- a new look at theodicy, or the problem of evil.

We can state is thusly: "How could a good God create jerks, or Sons fans?" MY answer would require some research, but it would probably be a combination of the soul-making (God wants Spurs fans to learn strength) and teleological (God and the Spurs will win in the end) theodicies.

[JamStone]

There is one. For I am the Alpha and the Omega.
What is meant to be, will be.
Above all else:
BELIEVE

What's up with this blister on my toe? It hurts like a son of bitch. Can you do something about it please?

[lefty]

I guess we'll never know until the season is over...


http://www.johnkirvan.com/images/god.jpg

[jay014]

I guess we'll never know until the season is over...


http://www.johnkirvan.com/images/god.jpg
until our season is over.
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/mba/lowres/mban1153l.jpg

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

will God be with the Spurs today?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Does it matter? We're gonna repeat anyways, right?

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Does it matter? We're gonna repeat anyways, right?



if there is a God, yes

[TampaDude]

God won't let us down............................. if there is one

Well, we're fucked, then...because there is no God...I stopped believing in such fairy tales years ago...

[ancestron]

God only watches college basketball.

[Extra Stout]

A valid observation -- a new look at theodicy, or the problem of evil.

We can state is thusly: "How could a good God create jerks, or Sons fans?" MY answer would require some research, but it would probably be a combination of the soul-making (God wants Spurs fans to learn strength) and teleological (God and the Spurs will win in the end) theodicies.
Doesn't free will come into play here? While according to the doctrine of ancestral sin, men are subject to death and corruption, and even worse, a tendency to want to root for the Suns, because Adam rooted for the Suns in the Garden of Eden, men ultimately still have to make the choice to disobey God and to follow Phoenix.

[Jobbs]

God won't let us down............................. if there is one


Great Post A++++++++++ Will Read Again

[Spurminator]

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1227/nbaanowitzki430yy8.jpg

And on the 7th game, God rested.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1227/nbaanowitzki430yy8.jpg

And on the 7th game, God rested.



and when there was 0.4 left

[TampaDude]

Doesn't free will come into play here? While according to the doctrine of ancestral sin, men are subject to death and corruption, and even worse, a tendency to want to root for the Suns, because Adam rooted for the Suns in the Garden of Eden, men ultimately still have to make the choice to disobey God and to follow Phoenix.

So...does that make Shaq the antichrist?

[Don Quixote]

Doesn't free will come into play here? While according to the doctrine of ancestral sin, men are subject to death and corruption, and even worse, a tendency to want to root for the Suns, because Adam rooted for the Suns in the Garden of Eden, men ultimately still have to make the choice to disobey God and to follow Phoenix.

Quite right. The existence of evil, and Sons fans, is strong evidence of an objective good, and God. Or the fact that we fans have a strong urge that you OUGHT to root for somebody, and that switching teams is bad, etc., is the basic gist of the moral argument for God's existence. We have these "feelings" about absolute right and wrong, and we really can't shake them. Naturalism provides no answer for this.

I'll have to work on the Spurs version of the teleological argument for God's existence (the Spurs are so perfectly created and finely tuned, there must be a perfect and wise creator), the cosmological argument (from what did Tim Duncan come? well, what caused his parents? etc.), and the ontological argument.

[G O D]

God only watches college basketball.
Not really. I prefer NBA basketball.

[Flight3107]

God is a Brian Scalabrine fan



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/62/Scal_Media_Day.png

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Why should God help those that don't care?

[TampaDude]

We have these "feelings" about absolute right and wrong, and we really can't shake them. Naturalism provides no answer for this.

Sure it does...we don't know "right and wrong" from birth, we learn it from our parents, teachers, and life experiences.

The Celtics won tonight because overall they played better basketball than the Spurs through 48 minutes of game time. That's it. Period.

There is no "sky referee" up there making sure justice is served, righting wrongs, rewarding the kind and caring folks, and punishing the evil people...the universe doesn't give a shit about any of us...life sucks, get a fucking helmet.

[TampaDude]

Not really. I prefer NBA basketball.

You are a fantasy...a computer-enhanced hallucination...

(props to the first person who knows what movie that line is from)

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

God............................................... .help us tonight

[NASpurs]

Dude stfu with the God thing. He doesn't care about some stupid ass NBA game. Geez.

[anakha]

SD21 believes in God?

I thought he was the high priest of the Church of Scola.

[BlackSwordsMan]

OP is pathetic

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

SD21 believes in God?

I thought he was the high priest of the Church of Scola.



If the Spurs had Scola (you see his playoff numbers?) the God wouldn't need to help us

[anakha]

If the Spurs had Scola (you see his playoff numbers?) the God wouldn't need to help us

SD21: Scola >>> God

Unbelievable. :lmao

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

SD21: Scola >>> God

Unbelievable. :lmao



LMAO @ that pathetic conclusion you jumped too

[anakha]

LMAO @ that pathetic conclusion you jumped too

Even more pathetic than this?



If there is a God, the Spurs WILL repeat as champions this season

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

is it so hard to believe?



if there is a God, that God would be a Spurs fan

[anakha]

Like I said before, leave it to SD21 to create the dumbest threads around. :lol

[Don Quixote]

I would say it's a bit of a false dichotomy. It is certainly possible to conceive of a world in which (a) God exists and yet (b) the Spurs fail to repeat. And how does the Spurs' success logically follow from God's existence?

And ... how did you receive this knowledge? That IF there is a God, THEN the Spurs repeat? If you got this knowledge from someone else, then how did he receive his knowledge with certainty? If you got it from God, then aren't we begging the question? How can you be so sure about your proclamation?

And last, is your axiom a timeless principle? In other words, was there not a God in 2000, 2004, and 06, when the Spurs did not repeat? If there was not a God, then how is it possible that he just comes into being if and when the Spurs repeat? And if His existence depends on the Spurs, then who controls who? Wouldn't the Spurs be God then?

I know. Questions, questions.

I expect your answers typed, double-spaced, at least pages on my desk by Monday.

[anakha]

I expect your answers typed, double-spaced, at least pages on my desk by Monday.

Don't be surprised if he submits another emo rant instead. :lol

[SenorSpur]

What was, was. And what is, is. And what will be, will surely be.

God is The FIRST, the LAST, the EVERYTHING.....or maybe I'm confusing him with Barry White.

[Don Quixote]

Hmm. You give truisms. As a believer in God, I agree.

I am curious about SD21's epistemology, however. What does he mean, and how does he know it?

[GrandeDavid]

I believe there is a God, and I am confident that God would never favor Spurs fans' wishes over Suns fans' wishes or vice versa. Actually, I cannot imagine God caring about the result of a basketball game. And I certainly believe that selfishly asking Him to serve one's own petty, hedonistic desire as proof that He exists probably will warrant but the sound of a cricket as a reply.

[Xylus]

Good thing there is no God.

[wijayas]

God won't let us down............................. if there is one


Amen!

[oboymeetsogirl]

If there is a God, he wouldn't give a damn about a lousy playoff series. Heck, he doesn't give a damn about more serious things like people blowing each other up all around the world. By definition, God isn't stupid and doesn't do these stupid things... we stupid people do these things to ourselves.

And so if the Spurs prevail in this series, it's the work of Pop, Timmy, Manu, and the rest of the team, not God. God takes care of his business from wherever He (She?) is, and the Spurs take care of their business on the basketball court!

[td4mvp21]

Did you used to be http://spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1353 this guy? I remember he started a very similar thread in 2005, except it was "If there is a God, the Spurs WILL win the title this season" or something like that.

[Don Quixote]

Good thing there is no God.

I can certainly see how would might believe that! You would think that once, just once, God would smile upon the Ringless Wonders of Phoenix. I would conclude that either (a) they have offended Him deeply, or (b) He hates them. Or (c) he doesn't care, or (d) doesn't exist.

But if there were no God, that would be a great tragedy. That would be awful news.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Bless the Spurs with brooms..........

[phyzik]

I can certainly see how would might believe that! You would think that once, just once, God would smile upon the Ringless Wonders of Phoenix. I would conclude that either (a) they have offended Him deeply, or (b) He hates them. Or (c) he doesn't care, or (d) doesn't exist.

But if there were no God, that would be a great tragedy. That would be awful news.

just to play devils advocate, why would it be such a great tragedy if God didnt exist? Is it so scary or bad to think that maybe, just maybe, the Human race isnt as inept as the church would have us all believe and that we really are masters of our own destiny?

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

God...........................help us

[ChumpDumper]

Whore.

[BiZNicK]

He's trying to convert us... Stop the propoganda!

Separation of Church and Basketball..........."god" is a nerd who chats with teenagers, he doesn't watch sports...

[anakha]

God...........................help us

Paging Supreme_Being... :lol

[Don Quixote]

just to play devils advocate, why would it be such a great tragedy if God didnt exist? Is it so scary or bad to think that maybe, just maybe, the Human race isnt as inept as the church would have us all believe and that we really are masters of our own destiny?

A big question. Certainly if we were to come to the final big grand realization that there is no God (or gods), if that were possible, that would cause rather large ramifications not only for people of the Christian faith, but Jews, Moslems, and practicioners of basically every theistic religion. Indeed, it seems that, no matter our attempts to shake it, humans are hard-wired towards faith. It's in our blood/genes/whatever to believe in a deity or deities. And, whatever problems that religion causes us, it also gives us the potential for great hope. Can you imagine the hopelessness that the nonexistence of God would create in, say, the missionary who's worked his whole life in some backward country? Or the prisoner locked up in a prison cell in China because he was a Christian? I'll narrow it down closer toward Christianity -- the good news of the Gospel (God loves you, has provided for our salvation, will never leave us or forsake us) would be totally illusory and not true. I'm not sure there would be much real meaning in it all.

And it's not just Christians who say that. Read the later works of Sartre, Camus, Nietzche (pre-insanity) -- all influential atheists -- they knew full well that God's nonexistence entailed the lack of any hope beyond this life. It entailed the loss of all REAL meaning. (Now, they tried to suggest that perhaps there are "little meanings" in the details of our lives, but ultimately, on the big stage, there was no "big meaning.")

So that's one argument. It would be a terrible tragedy. We ALL live our lives on the presupposition (whether we admit it or not) that there is meaning to our lives. We all do. And I'm not sure how the atheist accounts for these very real feelings of meaning and significance.

There are other arguments, though.

[Don Quixote]

He's trying to convert us... Stop the propaganda!

Separation of Church and Basketball..........."god" is a nerd who chats with teenagers, he doesn't watch sports...

:lol

Well, actually, the separation idea is an attempt to balance the establishment clause with the free-exercise clause of the first amendment. Religiously-informed viewpoints are welcome.

Now, if tonight's game were to become sectarian (say, Episcopal), then that would violate the wall of separation.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

God help us

[ChumpDumper]

I can't believe you don't shut up.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I can't believe you don't shut up.

[Agloco]

How'd you come to know this? I mean, is this a "probably there is no God," "there might be one," or, "the evidence is not convincing". Or is it, "I know absolutely that there is no God"? Even Hume and Nietzsche stopped short of saying that.

And ... cmon ... how can there not be a God when we have beauties like ...

Eva Longoria
Paloma
Scarlett Johanson?
Jessica Alba?
You think these beauties just evolved? No ... they were created ... for our enjoyment.

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4912/mainphpg2viewcore536ba6tw6.jpg


Amen Brother.......Amen.

[marini martini]

A big question. Certainly if we were to come to the final big grand realization that there is no God (or gods), if that were possible, that would cause rather large ramifications not only for people of the Christian faith, but Jews, Moslems, and practicioners of basically every theistic religion. Indeed, it seems that, no matter our attempts to shake it, humans are hard-wired towards faith. It's in our blood/genes/whatever to believe in a deity or deities. And, whatever problems that religion causes us, it also gives us the potential for great hope. Can you imagine the hopelessness that the nonexistence of God would create in, say, the missionary who's worked his whole life in some backward country? Or the prisoner locked up in a prison cell in China because he was a Christian? I'll narrow it down closer toward Christianity -- the good news of the Gospel (God loves you, has provided for our salvation, will never leave us or forsake us) would be totally illusory and not true. I'm not sure there would be much real meaning in it all.

And it's not just Christians who say that. Read the later works of Sartre, Camus, Nietzche (pre-insanity) -- all influential atheists -- they knew full well that God's nonexistence entailed the lack of any hope beyond this life. It entailed the loss of all REAL meaning. (Now, they tried to suggest that perhaps there are "little meanings" in the details of our lives, but ultimately, on the big stage, there was no "big meaning.")

So that's one argument. It would be a terrible tragedy. We ALL live our lives on the presupposition (whether we admit it or not) that there is meaning to our lives. We all do. And I'm not sure how the atheist accounts for these very real feelings of meaning and significance.

There are other arguments, though.

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Is that you, PeeWee?

:reading:dizzy:reading