The Spurs are Fine

[Brutalis]

You guys call me stupid all you want...

Meanwhile, ya'll are whining like school girls over regular season losses and I've got 100% of the factual evidence relevant to this argument on my side.


But by all means...keep venting, a woman needs to vent :tu

Well some of them do...
Okay, since you said... you're stupid.

Yes your evidence is fact even though you left out important bits.

But what you fail to realize is, it means jack fucking shit to this Spurs team, me, and logical god damn fans.

Get over yourself.

[whottt]

You are so fucking dense. :lol I'll ask again--were you on the roster (or even, the coaching staff) for one of the Spurs title teams?

I was watching it come together intently every step of the way. 4 different times.

Not even close to the same amount of experience.





If not, your experience has been identical to mine, except you were rooting for a particular outcome. You haven't seen shit that I haven't seen. You haven't learned shit that I haven't learned.

Absolutely false...you root against the Spurs, you don't want to see what's right, you want to see what's wrong.

There's absolutely no way we could have the same perspective...




Get it? What am I saying--of course you don't.

Dude...let's be serious here...you weren't even following basketball that close prior to about 4 years ago...much less going back over 20 years.

Lie to me all you want about it...but we both know the truth.

Not only becuase your team sucked...but you have absolutely nothing of a factual nature backing you up...except according to you, watching your team pull off some of the worst chokes in history. And you seem to think you have more than that...


Meanwhile...100% of the evidence relevant to this discussion.

[Brutalis]

A pure meltdown, of course. Instead we have Pig Sooey going introspective and babbling about why he doesn't have female companionship.
Oh pussy will be pussy, obviously.

[whottt]

Completely agree.



Here is where you're wrong. You have more expertise on whether or not the Spurs have what it takes this year because you know their strengths and weaknesses better than I do, and you have to measure that against what you know of the other contenders. Whereas I know what the Mavs do well and what they don't, and I have to gauge how that stacks up against other teams. But we've both watched enough basketball in our lives to determine whether or not a team is championship-caliber or not. You only have to watch a couple Miami Heat games regardless of whether or not you're a fan to see that they stink.


Dude...when was the last time you had to let the National Media know a record was broken?





The tone comes across as "your team hasn't won a title, so you can't possibly have the basketball IQ to recognize a title team when you see one."

Excellent :smokin

And yet you guys think I'm stupid.



Being a Spurs fan is a stroke of good fortune, as is being a fan of the New England Patriots. You can't automatically transfer your teams accomplishments to back up your arguments.

Sure I can...whether I had anything to do with it or not...I too have made the journey...and I pay attention.

[Findog]

Dude...when was the last time you had to let the National Media know a record was broken?

????????





Sure I can...whether I had anything to do with it or not...I too have made the journey...and I pay attention

No, it's a crutch whenever you're having a discussion peripheral to the Spurs excellence. If a Mav troll comes in here and plays the "Spurs are dirty and old" card, you can absolutely respond back with the "empty trophycase" or "chokers" card. It's deserved. But dismissing somebody solely because of what team they root for is almost always a sign you've lost the argument. I'm sure you guys once upon a time hated Lakers and Rockets fans pulling the title card when it wasn't relevant.

[dbreiden83080]

What the fuck has happened to this place?

We just need to string a few WINS together in a row and some sanity will be restored.

[DubMcDub]

I was watching it come together intently every step of the way. 4 different times.

Not even close to the same amount of experience.




Absolutely false...you root against the Spurs, you don't want to see what's right, you want to see what's wrong.

There's absolutely no way we could have the same perspective...




Dude...let's be serious here...you weren't even following basketball that close prior to about 4 years ago...much less going back over 20 years.

Lie to me all you want about it...but we both know the truth.

Not only becuase your team sucked...but you have absolutely nothing of a factual nature backing you up...except according to you, watching your team pull off some of the worst chokes in history. And you seem to think you have more than that...


Meanwhile...100% of the evidence relevant to this discussion.

It's funny to watch you squirm. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you?
:lol

[L.I.T]

Well I disagree. I feel like I have every right to bring the Spurs issues to the table that need to be fixed more or less admitted to and if you or anyone thinks this team has no issues or is "fine", me thinks you are the one with issues right along side them.


Case in point.

[L.I.T]

I'm sure there's another strawman in there.

:lol

[Udrihlooms]

I can't imagine how Spurstalk will be when Timmy plays consistently as bad as Finley.

With all due respect to timvp, the Spurs areN'T fine right now. It's probably wishful thinking, yes a much-needed ray of sunshine, but I must say it borders on being BS. I've learned so much from your aftergame thoughts, they are very enlightening, and I love the way you put everything into their proper perspective. Then this came out. I patronize your posts, but you can't make me buy this BS, that spurs ARE fine.

They WILL probably be fine come playoff (or maybe not) but as they stand RIGHT NOW, they are FAR from being fine. Our team blows a 20+ pt lead in our homecourt, in a mid-March game, following a 3 game losing skid, in a supposedly STATEMENT game, in one of the most competitive race we've seen in years, against an undermanned Celtics, and we'd like to think we ARE STILL fine. Losing this kind of game is very uncharacteristic of the spurs, just as posting that overly upbeat take of the present scenario is uncharacteristic of the usual objective perspective that timvp dishes out.

[whottt]

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No, it's a crutch whenever you're having a discussion peripheral to the Spurs excellence.

No it's not...I don't need a crutch, I've got the pertinent evidence on my side while you guys have jack shit.

What you call a crutch I call antangonizing and rubbing Mavs fans nose in it...and the fact that you need this explained to you pretty much ends any and all discussion about which one of us is smarter.


Plus it's true...I've followed championship baketball teams more closely than you have...guaranteed...if we are of equal intelligence...I willl still have more knowledge...


But of course...we aren't of equal intelligence now are we? Tsk.






If a Mav troll comes in here and plays the "Spurs are dirty and old" card, you can absolutely respond back with the "empty trophycase" or "chokers" card.

I sure can and I do :smokin


It's deserved. But dismissing somebody solely because of what team they root for is almost always a sign you've lost the argument.

Ahh but I haven't...in fact I posed the only factual evidence posted by anyone in this argument to back my side up.


So you see...I'm not losing, so it's not a crutch...and I have paid closer attention to a championship baketball team than you have...4 times.


I'm sure you guys once upon a time hated Lakers and Rockets fans pulling the title card when it wasn't relevant.

:lol , it's always relevant. :)

[gilmor]

U guys need to get a grip of facts.

Fact is Regular Season and Playoffs are 2 different stories.

Spurs are geared for Playoffs.. bottom line

[some_user86]

U guys need to get a grip of facts.

Fact is Regular Season and Playoffs are 2 different stories.

Spurs are geared for Playoffs.. bottom line

A lot of good that does if they don't make it there.

The confidence of the team is completely shaken. I've never seen anything like this. When was the last time a champion acted so pussified?

[hsxvvd]

A lot of good that does if they don't make it there.

The confidence of the team is completely shaken. I've never seen anything like this. When was the last time a champion acted so pussified?

Another reason Beno would be such a great fit right now.

[some_user86]

Another reason Beno would be such a great fit right now.

Nah, that would jump us from Pussification to Ludicrous Pussification. We might end up going to plad with Beno.

For those who missed the reference, see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB7tc9pVvYg

[Bruno]

Yep, Spurs are fine.
For the moment, it's far from being great but playoffs is another story. Spurs' roster is really deep this year and, even if some players don't show for the playoffs, Spurs will be fine.

I don't really care about Spurs' playoff seed. To me, the most important is that Spurs come in the playoffs well rested. The perfect case will be Spurs able to get some rest in the last week of the regular season. Spurs have right now a 3.5 games lead on the 9th seed. It's still quite a lot but things go fast in the west.

[romsho]

I still have supreme confidence in this group. It's not going to be easy but I wouldn't bet against the Spurs. They know how to win championships. When it's money time, I'm glad that this group is my horse in the race.

They got this.

Believe.
Are you the least bit concerned about them getting the opportunity to compete in "money time"? I know I am. There were glimpses even within the last four losses- against Detroit for a large portion of that game, a solid half against Boston- the problem is getting 48 minutes out of a team who really looks gassed. I have no doubt if properly rested this team can rally it up and beat any and all of the competition they might face. Unfortunately, this year does not afford any team the chance to just limp to the finish line...the regular season has never mattered more, not for seeding, but for just getting in. It is not a given. You can say otherwise, but just look at the standings. 3.5 games out of the nine spot ain't shit, especially the way this team is going. I expect they will make it, but then again I didn't expect them to be fighting just to make the playoffs at this point in the season either. Great post though. I know it made me feel better.

[GrandeDavid]

I would never doubt the Spurs come playoff time. However, I admittedly am angry at the four straight losses this late in the season, which is practically unheard of in the Tim Duncan era.

[smeagol]

Spurs will be fine. They have TD, they have Manu, they have Tony . . .

[Shred]

http://www.tigerboard.com/userimages/1animalhouse508.jpeg

[polandprzem]

Kori says she won't post until the Spurs win again. She's :stirpot:

I believe she is waiting for 55th birthday to complete 55555posts ...

[urunobili]

Very hard loss... although... i thank you timvp... your words is the feeling of many of us today... we're not done yet...

[DaDakota]

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg

The Spurs are fine, there is no need to panic.

;)

[Obstructed_View]

The Spurs are gutless, there is no need to make the playoffs.

What a waste of effort.

[Findog]

I've got the pertinent evidence on my side while you guys have jack shit.

Pertinent evidence for what? That it's more rewarding to be a Spurs fan? Congratulations.


What you call a crutch I call antangonizing and rubbing Mavs fans nose in it...and the fact that you need this explained to you pretty much ends any and all discussion about which one of us is smarter.

No, it's just evidence of your own insecurities.



Plus it's true...I've followed championship baketball teams more closely than you have...guaranteed...if we are of equal intelligence...I willl still have more knowledge...

No, it just means your team is historically better than mine. Nothing more can be inferred.

[LEONARD]

believe!
believe!!
believe!!!
believe!!!!
believe!!!!!
believe!!!!!!
believe!!!!!!!

[Evan]

:elephant

[Findog]

Go Spurs Go!
Go Spurs Go!
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Go Spurs Go!

[monosylab1k]

Being a Spurs fan is a stroke of good fortune, as is being a fan of the New England Patriots.
not always :depressed

[Obstructed_View]

because other than the big 3 nobody really seems to step up this year.
The plus minus numbers from last night would disagree. All - for the starters, all + for the bench.

[monosylab1k]

Mavs fans shouldn't take whottt so seriously. He's a funny guy.

[duncan228]

not always :depressed

Poor mono...

That was harsh for a fan to go through.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Poor mono...

That was harsh for a fan to go through.

There are much harsher things than watching a multiple championship team lose out on a perfect season in the last game.

Trust me.

[monosylab1k]

There are much harsher things than watching a multiple championship team lose out on a perfect season in the last game.
easy to say when you've never gone through it.

I've suffered with a team that was the epitome of suckage. They were called the Mavericks in the 90's. Watching the Super Bowl was 10000000000000000x worse than watching the Mavs suck for a decade.

[duncan228]

There are much harsher things than watching a multiple championship team lose out on a perfect season in the last game.

Trust me.

I'm sure there are.
Fans are known to get emotional with their teams.

I said it was harsh, not the harshest.

[ShoogarBear]

easy to say when you've never gone through it.
Nobody's gone through it until this year.

I guess UNLV came closest.

[mexicanjunior]

I picked the wrong year to buy league pass. I think we should pull a '97 and try to land Beasley at this point...

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

easy to say when you've never gone through it.

I've suffered with a team that was the epitome of suckage. They were called the Mavericks in the 90's. Watching the Super Bowl was 10000000000000000x worse than watching the Mavs suck for a decade.


Fair enough.

But you've also never gone through the suckage that is one playoff win in 50 years.

One.

At least it came at the expense of the Cowboys.

[Budkin]

Couldn't agree more LJ. As long as we are in the playoffs, we are the team to beat. :tu!

[Mr. Body]

I picked the wrong year to buy league pass. I think we should pull a '97 and try to land Beasley at this point...

Sad thing is, Beasley's not their guy. He's not a Spurs player, attitude and effort-wise. If they dropped out of the POs (3 losses away) and by miracle got a top pick, they should trade down for multiple ones to fill more slots.

[Bruno]

I like Mavs fans/trolls making fun of Spurs and acting like arrogant assholes.
I guess last year lesson wasn't enough.

[Indazone]

Couldn't agree more LJ. As long as we are in the playoffs, we are the team to beat. :tu!

If you make the playoffs. Spurs are tanking right now and only 3 games ahead of the Nuggest who are streaking since they got back Anthony Carter.

[Budkin]

If you make the playoffs. Spurs are tanking right now and only 3 games ahead of the Nuggest who are streaking since they got back Anthony Carter.

As I replied to you in the other thread, we're done with this brutal stretch now, and our 11 game streak provided just the cushion we needed to make sure we make it in.

[tav1]

I stopped reading on page 3, but I'll echo what others have surely said. The Spurs are in a tough spot this season. But there is a bright and shiny silver lining. First, the Spurs could still win this year, despite recent play. Beyond this, the Spurs are in a good position to make necessary off season adjustments to their roster. This will include a slightly higher draft than in year's past. Next year, we'll have Splitter in the front court, and, with an outside chance, Mahinmi. The full MLE can be used all in one or split between a couple of players. We might be able to get something for our Beno trade exception. We have the inside track on resigning Thomas. And Bonner could fetch something of use on the trade market.

All this to say, I'd rather be in a position to compete every season for the foreseeable future (which we are) than be a one or two season phenom. It's more difficult to compete over a decade than season.

I'll conclude by saying that Brent Barry is by no means a high impact player. That is, under most circumstances. Under current circumstances, however, he might be what we need to improve our offense and supplant some of Finley's minutes. Finley is nearly done, but perhaps with a little rest over the next few weeks he can scrape just enough off the bottom of the barrel to give positive post season production. Not having Barry this last month has reminded me that Barry is invaluable in his ability to move the ball within the offense. A little more offensive efficiency these past 7 games might have seen us go 3-4 or 4-3. I'm happy that we'll have Barry next season at a discounted price.

[Mr. Body]

And Bonner could fetch something of use on the trade market.


Like what?

[tlongII]

The Spurs are D-O-N-E. This is a cold, hard fact after reviewing their play at this late stage in the season. I had hoped that the Blazers would end their Dynasty*, but it appears they are disintegrating a little earlier than I thought they would.

[crc21209]

If you make the playoffs. Spurs are tanking right now and only 3 games ahead of the Nuggest who are streaking since they got back Anthony Carter.

Would you shut the hell up and mine your own damn business? The Nuggets have a tough schedule too so I'm not too sure about them.

Thats 9 tough games left for the Nuggets, not so sure they can do it.

Tue, Mar 18 @ Detroit
Wed, Mar 19 @ Philadelphia
Thu, Mar 27 Dallas
Sat, Mar 29 Golden State
Mon, Mar 31 @ Phoenix
Tue, Apr 1 Phoenix
Thu, Apr 10 @ Golden State
Sat, Apr 12 @ Utah
Sun, Apr 13 Houston

[TOP-CHERRY]

But you have owned the table in this thread and you got props for that from me.
You've got to be kidding me. How exactly has DubMcDub owned anyone? All he has done is come into this thread dismissing timivp's original post as just a Spurs fan trying to convince himself that everything's okay. Tell me what purpose he had in coming into this thread other than to slam at the few Spurs fans still believing in their team? I saw no intent on his part to bring his objectivity in the argument. If there was, he would have followed his response with logical reasons he believed timvp was wrong. I saw none of that. He made no attempt at pointing out which parts of timvp's post he disagreed with. I don't blame timvp if he thought this response:


I think the Spurs will be alright, but there is absolutely nothing about the original post here that cries, "Reason." This is a Spurs fan trying to convince himself that everything is ok.

to his post was another arrogant Mav fan bringing in no real substance to the thread. After all, this mav fan never really made an attempt at making an argument to back up why he thought timvp was wrong.

All he did was go off on how arrogant Spurs fans were, completely ignoring the original post nor bringing in any real thoughts about it.

Honestly, I don't get where this Mav fan gets off calling out timvp's post as having no reason.

Emotional loss. Four losses in a row is tough to stomach, especially late in the season when the team should be getting ready for the playoffs.

Am I worried? You have to be a little bit worried because there will come a time when the Spurs just don't have it anymore. However, I just don't think we've reached that point in time.

The Spurs are definitely struggling right now but the pieces are still there to make a championship run.
He acknowledges that the Spurs are struggling, and that it was a tough loss late in the season, but then mentions that you can't dismiss the Spurs because they haven't gotten to the point where they start fading. Then he goes on to support his assertion with reasons why he thinks they will be alright. I saw none of that in the Mav fan's response. All I saw was him crying for something unrelated to the topic.

[ThomasGranger]

it appears they are disintegrating a little earlier than I thought they would.

But not nearly as fast as Oden's body.

[SenorSpur]

I know the Spurs aren't playing well but I too also believe this team will be fine..call me delusional if you want but I personally believe Barry is our missing link.

I guarantee Finley probably knows how he is been throwing up bricks and is putting a ton of pressure on himself..so when Barry comes back and takes some of Finley's minutes then hopefully the pressure will be off Finley.

I just hope that Barry is 100% healthy, because other than the big 3 nobody really seems to step up this year.

thank goodness the Spurs don't play till Thursday and they can now get some rest and regroup, I think they will kill Chicago and have a tough time against the Kings because unfortunately it's another back to back game for them.

And Sunday will be a huge showdown against the Mavs!

I will not shit on your opinion because you are entitled to it. I'll just say, I put more stock into what I see live. Losses against the better teams in the NBA, classic poor play and failed execution down the stretches of key ball games does not instill confidence in a championship-level team or its fan base.

I can't wait to see Barry back too, but I do not consider him anybody's missing link. He will help create some badly needed offense and hopefully take away minutes from Finley.

[Jimcs50]

Any Spurs fan that is worrying about the reg season needs to chill. The playoffs can change things in a hurry. If Barry can be as effective as he has been in the past, that will make a whole lot of difference in our perimeter game, which lately has been poor as of late.

No worries......

[nfg3]

As of right now the Spurs should be gearing up for the playoffs. What I'm seeing is an inability to hit the outside shot with any consistency as well as not rebounding as effectively as I wluld like them to do. Hopefully I would like to blame all of this on such a brutal achedule lately (and I do think this has something to do with it - they look tired at times) but that little nagging sense of doubt/concern still remains. Since our game plan is based on inside to out - this concerns me. And its not just about the regular season per se. We are failing to execute down the stretch. When Barry gets back and hits those shots then that will help tremendously but improvement is still needed and time is running out.

Am I worried? To a certain extent I am but not jumping off the wagon now or ever. The Spurs are like a car engine that's missing and needs a little fine tuning.

Thankfully when the playoffs come everyone has the same amount of rest with no B2Bs.

[ShoogarBear]

Any Spurs fan that is worrying about the reg season needs to chill. The playoffs can change things in a hurry. If Barry can be as effective as he has been in the past, that will make a whole lot of difference in our perimeter game, which lately has been poor as of late.

No worries......The kiss of death.

:depressed

[nkdlunch]

I don't see any team in the West beating SPurs 4 times in the playoffs. I just don't see it.

Maybe the Lakers if Bynum and Gasol come in full force. Nobody else.

Stop crying spur fans. Spurs are allright

[Bruno]

Non-believer should remember last year : Spurs weren't fine at all during the regular season and they dominate the playoffs by losing only 4 games.

Spurs struggle this year are a little different but Spurs could do the same thing than last year. This year team, while being one year older, is better, on the paper, than last year team.

I still believe in Spurs.
"Don't ever underestimate the heart of a champion!" :)

[Holt's Cat]

Non-believer should remember last year : Spurs weren't fine at all during the regular season and they dominate the playoffs by losing only 4 games.

Spurs struggle this year are a little different but Spurs could do the same thing than last year. This year team, while being one year older, is better, on the paper, than last year team.

I still believe in Spurs.
"Don't ever underestimate the heart of a champion!" :)


Well, the hellacious part of their schedule is over. They get back Barry at the end of the week which will allow the Spurs to reduce the minutes of Manu, Bowen, and Finley a little.

[bigfundamental21]

Thanks Timvp. We all need to just calm down and understand that this team will pull it out. They have the experience and as long as they have Duncan, they will never quit. This is still our championship to defend.

BELIEVE.

[Spurs Brazil]

Good post timvp

I still believe this group has one more run left

Repeat

[Jimcs50]

The kiss of death.

:depressed

:lol


My jinxing has to end sometime.....I would do the anti jinx like last year, but everyone thought I was a Suns or Mavs fan....and I just could not handle that again.

:)

[T Park]

The jinxing never ends..........................................

[rAm]

Brutalis, just because you use big words doesn't make you right.

DubMcDub, you have been officially shut down in this thread. You are playing the "ohh wahh I didnt do anything stop attacking me" card and its embarassing. Go back to being like all the other self loathing mav fans because we all know deep down the emo in you is screaming to be let out.

Besides those two, everyone is bringing up very good points just from two different opinions. It just all depends on how you look at it. In my opinion both sides are correct, but we will truly see who is RIGHT once the season ends and the real season begins.

The only problem is, this year in the WC, the Regular Season actually matters because a team that fails late could be knocked out by a team that surges late!

[Obstructed_View]

Any Spurs fan that is worrying about the reg season needs to chill. The playoffs can change things in a hurry. If Barry can be as effective as he has been in the past, that will make a whole lot of difference in our perimeter game, which lately has been poor as of late.

No worries......
Especially if you don't make them.

[Mark in Austin]

Two things that lead me to believe we haven't seen the team that will go into the playoffs yet:

1. With early injuries to the big three plus Barry, the team hasn't had as much time together on the court as in previous years. The early March playoff run might not happen until late March because they haven't been "pounding the rock" as a team long enough yet.

2. The Spurs have never acquired a player as good as Thomas mid season in the Duncan era. This is also going to take some time to iron out chemistry wise. Especially defensively.

Spurs Peak AFTER March.

[SenorSpur]

Non-believer should remember last year : Spurs weren't fine at all during the regular season and they dominate the playoffs by losing only 4 games.

Spurs struggle this year are a little different but Spurs could do the same thing than last year. This year team, while being one year older, is better, on the paper, than last year team.

I still believe in Spurs.
"Don't ever underestimate the heart of a champion!" :)

I think you should at least give a lil' love to Rudy T, if you're gonna steal his line. Wouldn't want him to sue you for plagarism. :lol

[Mister Sinister]

I still believe. Throughout all the rough spots.Through all the skids. All the letdowns, setbacks, and games we should have won, I haven't lost faith, nor will I ever. Spurs fans, transform and ROLL OUT! http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/3/37/Optimusg1.jpg

[Brutalis]

Brutalis, just because you use big words doesn't make you right.

There are so many ways to reply to that I don't know where to start. I guess in this moment I will say.. I'm so sorry I use big words, whatever they are. And that you can't comprehend them either apparently. Way to make a point there, too.

[Herschel Walker]

Its only basketball, and the high drama right now is entertaining. Im looking forward to watching how this all plays out to end the season and through the playoffs.

[Shaolin-Style]

of course they're fine.

I mean as long as they're not missing the playoffs the spurs are damn fine.

TD always plays better and harder in the playoffs, Barrys comin back, Michael Finley can't suck forever, Thomas is only going to get more familiar with our system same for Damon, Horrys gonna play harder(we saw flashes of it last night)...no use for the doom and gloom bs. Yes it sucks to give up 22 point leads, lose by 25, but shit like that happens sometimes, its not the end season.

[sprrs]

Little worried about the 4 game slide this late in the season....but it could actually work out in our favor. As Whottt said earlier, in repeat years Spurs always start off hot going into the playoffs then flame out. Maybe having them go through this late in the season will give them the boost and urgency they need to make a deep playoff push.

[Budkin]

Whatever happens, I will still love this team! I beileve in the repeat! GO SPURS GO!

[usckk]

Come on! Let's go! We can still do this. This is the deepest team we ever had. GO SPURS GO!

[JP le Requin]

the real season begin in April and ends in june, between the 10 th and the 15 ths june it depends if we sweep ;-)

[timvp]

But you have owned the table in this thread and you got props for that from me.
You've got to be kidding me. How exactly has DubMcDub owned anyone? All he has done is come into this thread dismissing timivp's original post as just a Spurs fan trying to convince himself that everything's okay. Tell me what purpose he had in coming into this thread other than to slam at the few Spurs fans still believing in their team? I saw no intent on his part to bring his objectivity in the argument. If there was, he would have followed his response with logical reasons he believed timvp was wrong. I saw none of that. He made no attempt at pointing out which parts of timvp's post he disagreed with. I don't blame timvp if he thought this response:


I think the Spurs will be alright, but there is absolutely nothing about the original post here that cries, "Reason." This is a Spurs fan trying to convince himself that everything is ok.

to his post was another arrogant Mav fan bringing in no real substance to the thread. After all, this mav fan never really made an attempt at making an argument to back up why he thought timvp was wrong.

All he did was go off on how arrogant Spurs fans were, completely ignoring the original post nor bringing in any real thoughts about it.

Honestly, I don't get where this Mav fan gets off calling out timvp's post as having no reason.

Emotional loss. Four losses in a row is tough to stomach, especially late in the season when the team should be getting ready for the playoffs.

Am I worried? You have to be a little bit worried because there will come a time when the Spurs just don't have it anymore. However, I just don't think we've reached that point in time.

The Spurs are definitely struggling right now but the pieces are still there to make a championship run.
He acknowledges that the Spurs are struggling, and that it was a tough loss late in the season, but then mentions that you can't dismiss the Spurs because they haven't gotten to the point where they start fading. Then he goes on to support his assertion with reasons why he thinks they will be alright. I saw none of that in the Mav fan's response. All I saw was him crying for something unrelated to the topic.Exactly.

:hat

[FromWayDowntown]

What I think is even funnier about the criticisms of timvp's optimistic post is the assertions that his opinions are founded primarily on arrogance or a lack of reason.

I don't know if one fan or another knows more or less about winning NBA championships. I will venture a guess, though, as noted elsewhere, that hard-core Spurs fans know more about the Spurs than fans of other teams.

If a Spurs fan, having a relatively strong background in the recent history of that team, believes he sees something in their play, coupled with his knowledge of the players on that team that suggests reason for optimism, that's not an opinion founded on arrogance or one formed without reasoned thought. It strikes me as an opinion founded upon comparing historical observations with current observations, which is the hallmark of any predictive analysis.

With respect to the Spurs, a Spurs fan can justify the ultimate optimistic view with the knowledge that certain things have been indicative of past Spurs championship teams. Of course every year is different and every Spurs title winner has been different, but I don't think timvp ever questioned that. Instead, he noted that he knows and (more importantly) sees things about this Spurs team that suggests to him that things aren't as bad as they might seem.

That's not a particularly arrogant view; nor is it an unreasonable one per se.

Frankly, it strikes me as substantially more arrogant to baldly state that a post lacks reasoning without explaining why that is so.

[polandprzem]

What I think is even funnier about the criticisms of timvp's optimistic post is the assertions that his opinions are founded primarily on arrogance or a lack of reason.

I don't know if one fan or another knows more or less about winning NBA championships. I will venture a guess, though, as noted elsewhere, that hard-core Spurs fans know more about the Spurs than fans of other teams.

If a Spurs fan, having a relatively strong background in the recent history of that team, believes he sees something in their play, coupled with his knowledge of the players on that team that suggests reason for optimism, that's not an opinion founded on arrogance or one formed without reasoned thought. It strikes me as an opinion founded upon comparing historical observations with current observations, which is the hallmark of any predictive analysis.

With respect to the Spurs, a Spurs fan can justify the ultimate optimistic view with the knowledge that certain things have been indicative of past Spurs championship teams. Of course every year is different and every Spurs title winner has been different, but I don't think timvp ever questioned that. Instead, he noted that he knows and (more importantly) sees things about this Spurs team that suggests to him that things aren't as bad as they might seem.

That's not a particularly arrogant view; nor is it an unreasonable one per se.

Frankly, it strikes me as substantially more arrogant to baldly state that a post lacks reasoning without explaining why that is so.

Thank you for an explanation

I was wondering all the time why timvp wrote what he wrote, now I know why he wrote what he wrote.

[duncan228]

Thank you FWD.

As always, well stated.
(Remind me never to get into an argument with you. :lol)

[michaelwcho]

What I think is even funnier about the criticisms of timvp's optimistic post is the assertions that his opinions are founded primarily on arrogance or a lack of reason.


Did you notice that he reversed a lot of his optimism and backed down quite a bit in his Game Review? You're defending a position TimVP has already abandoned!

[FromWayDowntown]

Did you notice that he reversed a lot of his optimism and backed down quite a bit in his Game Review? You're defending a position TimVP has already abandoned!

I'm not concerned with the consistency of his opinions. I'm just amused by the aspersions cast upon the opinion offered in this thread -- not simple disagreements, but attacks on its fundamental underpinnings.

[T Park]

Did you notice that he reversed a lot of his optimism and backed down quite a bit in his Game Review? You're defending a position TimVP has already abandoned!

He didn't contradict anything.

All he did was assess the game.

[timvp]

Did you notice that he reversed a lot of his optimism and backed down quite a bit in his Game Review? You're defending a position TimVP has already abandoned!?

This thread is regarding my long range views of the team. I still think the Spurs are fine.

In game thoughts I only concentrate on the game at hand. If I wrote game thoughts with the big picture in mind, each game thoughts thread would be the same.

[Holt's Cat]

Spurs fans have gotten soft with success.

[michaelwcho]

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This thread is regarding my long range views of the team. I still think the Spurs are fine.

In game thoughts I only concentrate on the game at hand. If I wrote game thoughts with the big picture in mind, each game thoughts thread would be the same.

I agree... long range. One would like to see them playing a little bit better at this point, but who knows what kind of can they will pull out during the playoffs.