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WalterBenitez

03-19-2008, 05:56 AM

"Hay que ponerse el chaleco salvavidas y empezar a remar"
Por Manu Ginóbili
Para LA NACION

SAN ANTONIO, EE.UU.- 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15. No, no estoy proponiendo un problema a resolver tipo Adrián Paenza; ningún acertijo ni nada para romperse la cabeza: simplemente hice referencia a los días que nos tocó jugar en la primera mitad de marzo. ¡Diez juegos en 15 días! No sé si ando desmemoriado, pero no recuerdo un calendario así desde que estoy en la NBA. No hubiera sido tan duro si al menos de esos 10 juegos seis o siete eran en casa, pero fue todo lo opuesto, sólo tres en San Antonio y el resto deambulando por distintas ciudades. ¡Una locura total!, pero mucho no se puede hacer. Hay que ponerse el chaleco salvavidas y empezar a remar.

¿Con esto quiero decir que estoy tranquilo esperando que la racha cambie? ¡No!, para nada... Nunca fui de poner excusas, y el hecho de jugar muchos partidos no lo es tampoco. Estoy enojado, un poco triste y con muchas ganas de revertir la situación. Después de un partido como el último con Boston, uno piensa mil veces en lo que pasó, los tiros que erró, los que metió el rival, las jugadas hechas, las que podríamos haber hecho, decisiones equivocadas y muchas otras cosas más. ¿Seremos todos así los jugadores? La verdad es que no lo creo, a veces veo compañeros o rivales muy relajados, tranquilos y sonrientes después de las derrotas y pienso: ¿por qué no puedo ser así? Al fin y al cabo son sólo un par de partidos más dentro de los 82 que tiene la temporada regular, ¿no? No, no hay caso, soy así y me molesta perder, debe estar en los genes.

Lamentablemente estamos pasando por un momento difícil. No creo que sea una crisis irrecuperable ni mucho menos, pero con la paridad que hay en la conferencia Oeste, cada partido que se pierde es un paso más lejos de tener ventaja deportiva en los playoffs. ¡Pensar que hace una semana estábamos primeros! Perdimos dos juegos y pasamos al 3ro y ahora al 6to.

Entonces ¿puede ser que pasemos de ser tan buenos a tan malos en tan poco tiempo? ¿O de jugar tan mal a tan bien? No, muy poco cambió. En los 11 partidos que ganamos seguidos no jugamos impecablemente. Simplemente cerramos mejor algunos juegos, metimos un poco más y otros fueron con rivales de menor jerarquía que los de este mes. Vale la pena recordar que les ganamos a Milwaukee, Minnesota y New York, equipos que no jugarán los playoffs, con conversiones en los últimos segundos de cada juego. Tampoco se había jugado bien, sólo que mucha gente se olvida porque al lado de esos juegos ahora hay una G (ganado) en lugar de una P (perdido). No éramos tan buenos ahí ni somos tan malos ahora, eso lo tenemos claro.

¿Lo bueno de todo esto? Que faltan aún 15 juegos, tenemos mucho por mejorar y estamos a tres triunfos de la punta. ¿Lo malo? Que faltan nada más que 15 partidos, no estamos jugando bien y quedamos a tres encuentros de estar fuera de los playoffs. Increíble, ¿no?

Cambiando de tema, creo que merece un párrafo aparte la racha de Luis y sus Rockets. En realidad merecerían una columna entera, pero son nuestros rivales y posiblemente nos crucemos en playoffs, por lo que mi ego no permite hablar mucho de ellos. De todas maneras sí voy a decir que es admirable lo que están haciendo: 22 partidos seguidos, segunda racha de victorias consecutivas en la historia de la NBA, ¿qué tal? Eso demuestra con creces lo difícil que es de lograr. Ni los Bulls de las 70 victorias llegaron a una racha así. Alcanzar las 10 pasa bastante seguido, pero a partir de ahí se hace cuesta arriba porque uno tiende involuntariamente a sentirse satisfecho y bajar la guardia, agrandarse como le dicen los pibes en el barrio, pero a ellos no les pasó, ni siquiera parecen estar heridos después de la lamentable noticia de la lesión de Yao Ming, un all star y jugador decisivo en su esquema, y también, en menor medida, de la de Carl Landry, un jugador que les estaba dando minutos de calidad y agresividad desde el banco. ¡Clap, clap! Mis respetos a los Rockets, que de estar décimos antes de arrancar la seguidilla pasaron al primer lugar y de forma solitaria, también obviamente a nuestro querido Luis Alberto Scola, que está teniendo una tremenda temporada y no sólo se ha convertido en pieza clave de su equipo, sino que seguramente en uno de los mejores tres debutantes de la temporada. Si su equipo y él siguen así, sus acciones continuarán en alza y tendrá grandes posibilidades de ser nombrado "Rookie of the Year", galardón reservado a sólo unos pocos. ¡Luifa, querido! ¡Tenés mi voto! Aunque lamentablemente nosotros no votamos.

www.manuginobili.com

Sin poder dormir

Porque no podía conciliar el sueño tras la derrota ante Boston, Manu Ginóbili escribió esta columna a las 4 de la mañana de ayer, desde su casa en San Antonio.

WalterBenitez

03-19-2008, 06:12 AM

My ultra super condensed summary ...

"1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15 ... days of march we played... 10 games in 15 days... don't rememeber anything like that in my NBA career... mostly of them on the road"

"I am upset (?), little sad... after Boston games I thought hundred of times what happened, shots I missed, the ones that Boston made, plays made... Are all players the same? I don’t think so, sometimes I see my team mates and/or rivals relaxed, calm and smiling after losing a game ... I am not like that ... I don’t like to lose."

"In the last 11 win streak, we didn’t play well (?)"

"Anything good about this situation? We still have 15 games ahead."

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PS:

1. Used (?) when I don't know the exact word in english...

2. It is partial translation, later Manu talks about Houston and Luis Scola, since many sensitive fans can read this I will avoid that part :D

Southwest Texas Fan

03-19-2008, 07:49 AM

I read the article and wow Manu losing sleep over the smallest details. If the team gets it together come playoff time I love our chances against any team with Manu on our side. This guy does not like to lose. And props to him for giving Luis and his team tons of kudos. Great article.

1Parker1

03-19-2008, 07:52 AM

Are all players the same? I don’t think so, sometimes I see my team mates and/or rivals relaxed, calm and smiling after losing a game

Uh-oh...wonder who he's talking about on the team....

urunobili

03-19-2008, 07:57 AM

“You have to put on the life vest and start swimming”

By Manu Ginobili

San Antonio, USA. - 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15. No, I am not proposing a math challenge like Adrian Paenza, no crosswords nor anything to think too much: I simply referred to the days we had to play on March’s first half. 10 games in 15 days! I don’t know if it is my memory failing, but I don’t remember a calendar like this since I am in the NBA. It wouldn’t have been this hard if it wasn’t that from those 10 games, 6 or 7 were played at home, but it actually was the opposite, just 3 in San Antonio and the rest going through different cities. Totally Crazy!, but there’s not much you can do, you have to put on your life vest and start swimming.

With all this i am meaning that i am waiting for the streak to change itself? NO way! Not at all… I am a guy that never used excuses, and the fact that we played lots of matches is not one of them. I am angry, a little sad and willing fiercely to revert this situation. After a match like the one against Boston, I think a thousand times what happened, the shots I missed, the ones they made, the plays we set, the ones we could have done, the wrong choices and many other things. Are all players like this? Truth is I don’t think so, I sometimes see some colleagues or rivals very relaxed, easy and smiling after the losses and I think: why I can’t be that way? At the end of the day, they are only a couple of games of the 82 that the regular season have, aren’t them?. No, there’s nothing I could do, I am this way and it really bothers me to lose, it must be on the genes.

Unfortunately we are going through a difficult moment. I do not think it is a crisis we cannot get over of, nor something less, but with the parity that the west conference has, each game that you lose, is a step further from having home court advantage in the playoffs. I can’t believe last week we were first! Then we lost 2 games and were third and now 6th!!!

Anyhow, how could it be that we go from being so good to be so bad in such a short period of time? Or from playing so bad to do so very good? No, little has changed. On those 11 games in a row we won, we didn’t play impeccable. We simple close on a better way some games, the ball was falling in more and the rivals we faced were not as good as the ones we faced this month. It is good to remember that we defeated, Milwaukee, Minnesota and New York, teams that will not play the playoffs, with last second shots. We didn’t play great either; it is just that many people forget about that because next to those games there was a W instead of a L. We were not that good then, and we are not that bad nowadays, that we have clear.

The good thing about this? We still have 15 games left, we have a lot to work on and we are just 3 W’s from leading the conference. The bad thing? That we only have 15 games, we are not playing well and we are just 3 games from being out of the playoffs. Incredible isn’t it?

Changing subject, I think that Luis’s Rockets streak deserve its own paragraph. They actually deserved a whole column, but they are our rivals and possibly we will meet in the playoffs, so my ego does not let me talk about them. Anyhow I do think it is admirable what they are doing, 22 games in a row, second best in NBA’s history. How about that? That shows how difficult it is to make it happen. Not even the Bulls on their 70 wins season did something like that. Reach 10 happens often but from there on it is really tough because you get to feel complacency and get your guard down, you get that attitude that you are more than what you actually are as the kids in the hood’ say, but it didn’t happen to them. They don’t even look hurt after they lost Yao Ming, an All Star and decisive player in their system and also in a lesser way Carl Landry’s, a player that was giving them quality minutes and aggressiveness from the bench. Clap, Clap! My respects to the Rockets, from being 10th before the streak to first place and play on an unselfish way and also obviously to our beloved Luis Scola, that is having a great season and not only becoming a key piece in their team, but surely one of the best 3 rookies of the season. If his team and him continue this way, his stock will be on the rise and will have great chances of being named ROY, prize reserved only to a few. Luifa Friend! You have my vote! But we players don’t vote though.

www.manuginobili.com

Without being able to sleep due to the loss against Boston, Manu Ginobili wrote this column 4am in the morning yesterday from his house in San Antonio.

gospursgojas

03-19-2008, 08:09 AM

Are all players like this? Truth is I don’t think so, I sometimes see some colleagues or rivals very relaxed, easy and smiling after the losses and I think: why I can’t be that way? At the end of the day, they are only a couple of games of the 82 that the regular season have, aren’t them?. No, there’s nothing I could do, I am this way and it really bothers me to lose, it must be on the genes.

Manu's a fuckin G

Phenomanul

03-19-2008, 08:10 AM

Awesome read... :tu

My favorite line:

Are all players the same after a loss [fretting about every last detail of the game]? Truth is, I don’t think so, sometimes I see my teammates and/or rivals relaxed, calm and smiling after a loss... Why can't I be like that?... At the end of the day, these losses are only a couple of games in the 82 lot bunch played out during the regular season, aren’t they?. No, there’s nothing I can do about it, I am this way and losing really upsets me, it must be the genes.

Streakyshooter08

03-19-2008, 08:12 AM

Thanks for the translation urunobili! :tu

Kamnik

03-19-2008, 08:15 AM

Manu G is f***** awsome.

One of the best players in the world!

diego

03-19-2008, 08:20 AM

full translation

"We've got to put on our lifevests and start rowing" (argie expression for "get to work")
Por Manu Ginóbili
Para LA NACION

SAN ANTONIO, EE.UU.- 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15. No, I'm not making a puzzle nor riddle: just listing the days we've had to play in march so far. ¡10 games in 15 days! I don't know if I'm being forgetful, but i don't remember a schedule like that since playing in the NBA. It wouldn't have been that tough if 6-7 of the 10 were at home, but quite the contrary, only three in San Antonio and the rest scattered in other cities. ¡Craziness!, but there isnt much to do about it. Just put on our lifevests and start rowing.

¿With this am I trying to say i'm calm waiting for our streak to change? ¡No!, not at all... I've never been the type to make excuses, and playing a lot of games is not an excuse. I'm angry, a little sad and want to turn things around badly. After a game like our last with Boston, you think about what happened 1000 times, the shots that went out, the ones the rival made, the succesful plays, the plays we could have tried, bad decisions and many other things. ¿Are all players like that? I dont think so, sometimes i see teammates or rivals very relazed, calm and smiling after a loss and think: ¿why cant I be like that? In the end, its only a game out of 82 in the regular season, ¿right? No, I cant help it, I'm this way and i can't stand losing, it must be in the genes.

Unfortunately we're going through a difficult moment. I don't think it's an fatal crisis or anything of the sort, but with the parity in the west, each game lost is a step back from competitive advantage in the playoffs. ¡To think we were first a week ago! We lost 2 games and fell to 3rd and now to 6th.

So ¿can it be we went from being that good to that bad that fast? ¿or from playing that bad to that good? No, very little changes. We werent perfect in the 11 game win streak. We just closed out some games better, tried a little harder and had some games against inferior rivals compared to those this month. Remember we beat Milwaukee, Minnesota and New York, teams that wont play the playoffs, with baskets at the last second. We didnt play well then, it's just that people forget because now next to those games there is a W instead of a L. We werent that great then and we arent that bad now, that is clear to us.

¿The good in all this? There are still 15 games left, we have much to improve and are 3 wins back from the top. ¿The bad? There are only 15 games left, we arent playing well and we are 3 losses away from missing the playoffs. Unbelievable, ¿no?

Changing topics, Luis and his Rockets' steak deserve a separate paragraph. Actually an entire column, but they are our rivals and we might meet in the playoffs, so my ego won't allow me to talk too much about them. I will say their accomplishment is admirable: 22 in a row, 2nd longest winning streak in NBA history, ¿how about that? (manu is looking at you, whottt!) That shows how difficult that is to achieve. Not even the 70 win bulls hit a streak like that. Reaching 10 is fairly common, but from there it gets more difficult because you involuntarily tend to get satisfied and lower your guard, get big-headed like the kids say in the neighborhood, but it didnt happen to them, they dont even seem hurt after the regretable loss of yao ming, an all star and decisive player in their system, and also, to a lesser extent, the loss of Carl Landry, a player that was giving them quality minutes and aggressiveness from the bench. ¡Clap, clap! My respects to the Rockets, who went from being 10th before the streak to alone at the top, and also obviously to our dear Luis Alberto Scola, who is having a tremendous season and not only becoming a key player on his team, but surely one of the top 3 rookies of his class. If him and his team continue this way, his stock will continue to rise as will his chances of winning "Rookie of the Year", an award reserved for few players. ¡Luifa, brother! (actually say darling, but here is more the equivalent of bro/homie/etc) ¡you got my vote! Although unfortunately we dont vote.

www.manuginobili.com

Unable to sleep
Becuase he couldnt sleep after the boston game, manu wrote this at 4am from his house in san antonio.

angel_luv

03-19-2008, 08:22 AM

“You have to put on the life vest and start swimming”

Well said Gino. :)

I need to read that, and not about the Spurs.

I know they'll get it together.

diego

03-19-2008, 08:22 AM

haha urunobili beat me to it, good job

kuato

03-19-2008, 08:24 AM

Even Manu wants an Scola thread!! ahahaha, that sadness after loose a match is comming from his argentinian soccer culture, every match counts for the championship title.

Radiosparks

03-19-2008, 08:29 AM

Excellent read! Thank you once again for the translation and allowing us to read some of Manu's thoughts.

Manu is a very passionate person, who is zoned in and I'm glad he is on our side.

sassystriker

03-19-2008, 08:29 AM

This just shows how meticulous Manu really is. I really like Manu's character!!

MoSpur

03-19-2008, 08:47 AM

Very good find. Wow! Manu is so passionate about winning. I am so glad that this guy is on the Spurs.

urunobili

03-19-2008, 08:55 AM

haha urunobili beat me to it, good job
your translation is really good! we could split paragraphs next time!

Kermit

03-19-2008, 08:59 AM

Manu's a deacon in the Chruch of Scola.

stéphane

03-19-2008, 09:03 AM

Have to love the attitude of Manu. He's a winner. Glad he's on the spurs roster.

ducks

03-19-2008, 09:12 AM

urunobili
translation WalterBenitez does not have this in it
sometimes I see my team mates and/or rivals relaxed, calm and smiling after losing a game

Cherry

03-19-2008, 09:20 AM

¿The good in all this? There are still 15 games left, we have much to improve and are 3 wins back from the top. ¿The bad? There are only 15 games left, we arent playing well and we are 3 losses away from missing the playoffs. Unbelievable, ¿no?

My god: only 15 games! GO SPURS :ihit

angel_luv

03-19-2008, 09:24 AM

WalterBenitez

03-19-2008, 09:25 AM

Even Manu wants an Scola thread!! ahahaha, that sadness after loose a match is comming from his argentinian soccer culture, every match counts for the championship title.

He also said that miss whottt's post in Scola's thread
:p:

some_user86

03-19-2008, 09:26 AM

Man, Manu has really taken over as the voice of the Spurs this season. Impressive improvement in leadership skills.

smeagol

03-19-2008, 09:36 AM

I remember whottt, in his ever-present Scola hate, hinted at some point that Manu and Scola did not get along

smeagol

03-19-2008, 09:38 AM

urunobili
translation WalterBenitez does not have this in it
sometimes I see my team mates and/or rivals relaxed, calm and smiling after losing a game

Manu said that:

La verdad es que no lo creo, a veces veo compañeros o rivales muy relajados, tranquilos y sonrientes después de las derrotas y pienso

thispego

03-19-2008, 09:42 AM

get some sleep manu

Southwest Texas Fan

03-19-2008, 09:47 AM

nkdlunch

03-19-2008, 09:53 AM

you gonna have to kill manu on the court to take anything away from him. He is a warrior.

while he's still alive, spurs have a good chance

WalterBenitez

03-19-2008, 09:53 AM

I think he is talking about the opposing team when he's using the word rival. He does not specifically mention the locker room so I'd imagine he is talking about the other players on the opposing team not his own teammates.

In spanish it is clear he mention team mates and rivals.

¿Seremos todos así los jugadores? La verdad es que no lo creo, a veces veo compañeros o rivales muy relajados, tranquilos y sonrientes después de las derrotas y pienso: ¿por qué no puedo ser así?

compañero/a

masculine, a feminine companion; partner; mate;
compañero de armas comrade in arms;
compañero de clase schoolmate; compañero de cuarto roommate

Extra Stout

03-19-2008, 09:58 AM

Southwest Texas Fan

03-19-2008, 09:59 AM

In spanish it is clear he mention team mates and rivals.

¿Seremos todos así los jugadores? La verdad es que no lo creo, a veces veo compañeros o rivales muy relajados, tranquilos y sonrientes después de las derrotas y pienso: ¿por qué no puedo ser así?

compañero/a

masculine, a feminine companion; partner; mate;
compañero de armas comrade in arms;
compañero de clase schoolmate; compañero de cuarto roommate

So do you agree with me?

DarrinS

03-19-2008, 10:19 AM

I wish the whole team had his heart.

urunobili

03-19-2008, 10:26 AM

hater

03-19-2008, 10:31 AM

Kermit

03-19-2008, 10:34 AM

What the hell did Tony do?

Cloud786

03-19-2008, 10:36 AM

Dang think about what he must've been through after the 2006 playoffs if he gets this down after a regular season loss..

hater

03-19-2008, 10:37 AM

What the hell did Tony do?

nothing. IMO he seems like the type to joke around with the other guys mentioned.

nothing wrong w/that unless you are an uptight soldier who did not come to the NBA to make friends like Manu :D

urunobili

03-19-2008, 10:42 AM

Dang think about what he must've been through after the 2006 playoffs if he gets this down after a regular season loss..
that was almost a week insomnia and almost couldn't get over it at all... then the way they lost with the national team in the WCSF against Spain... tough year to digest for Manu... :depressed

SpursFanFirst

03-19-2008, 10:44 AM

Dang think about what he must've been through after the 2006 playoffs if he gets this down after a regular season loss..

NO KIDDING! :(

I love Manu! Thanks for posting the article and the translations, guys!

InK

03-19-2008, 10:45 AM

So Manu hates to lose, while there are other players in the league who get used to it. That's not a surprise. I imagine most of the Knicks couldn't care less what the outcome is from game to game. That's the attitude losers have.

But there are some guys like that on the Spurs? Who are these losers on the Spurs?

Manu is not THE standard here. Different players have different ways of dealing with a loss. And even though most coaches would probably want competitors of Manu's caliber on the team, it doesnt make people who cope with a loss in another fashion losers. If that would be so, everyone on the Spurs rooster would be a loser.

This is not the loser/ winner criterium, its the leader/ non- leader one.

bigfundamental21

03-19-2008, 10:53 AM

It is the passion that Manu has for this game that sets him apart from other players. He has that drive and as long as he is on our team, you've gotta like our chances.

Even he knows this is a marathon, not a sprint. We are still in this and our destiny is in our own hands. GO SPURS GO!

BELIEVE.

twincam

03-19-2008, 10:57 AM

As I've said in the past, the only one with a HEART!

TMTTRIO

03-19-2008, 11:01 AM

Dang think about what he must've been through after the 2006 playoffs if he gets this down after a regular season loss..
I think I remember that Pop had to take him out just for him to try to get over it. I also remember during the Kings game where he turned over the ball in crunch time that led to the Kings winning I remember somewhere it said that he pretty much locked himself in the hotel room for a few days. They had to get Fabri to try to get him out of there and get better. That's what I love about him. He plays with a lot of passion and plays 100% all the time. He might force things but it's because he's trying to win.

Shaolin-Style

03-19-2008, 11:02 AM

Manu always feeling this competitive is one of the main reasons he'll always be a keeper.

WalterBenitez

03-19-2008, 11:04 AM

What the hell did Tony do?
He married EVA
:p:

Budkin

03-19-2008, 11:05 AM

Manu is a true warrior! Love the guy and love the passion he brings. Now only if it were contagious! :tu

mrsmaalox

03-19-2008, 11:12 AM

Psst Manu, next time just call me. I'd love to help you get to sleep! :p:

phxspurfan

03-19-2008, 11:25 AM

Reach 10 happens often but from there on it is really tough because you get to feel complacency and get your guard down, you get that attitude that you are more than what you actually are as the kids in the hood’ say,

(como le dicen los pibes en el barrio)

The kids in the hood...haha

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

03-19-2008, 11:33 AM

Pretty cool character, that guy.

I don't think Manu would let us miss the playoffs.

carina_gino20

03-19-2008, 11:33 AM

Manu is not THE standard here. Different players have different ways of dealing with a loss. And even though most coaches would probably want competitors of Manu's caliber on the team, it doesnt make people who cope with a loss in another fashion losers. If that would be so, everyone on the Spurs rooster would be a loser.

This is not the loser/ winner criterium, its the leader/ non- leader one.

True. I wouldn't call them losers. They just have a different way of dealing with things. I know that Rob has said a lot of times, that probably the reason why he has so much success in the clutch is that he doesn't pressure himself too much. If it doesn't go in, "Oh, well."

But you gotta love Manu's passion. He said on the Jim Rome show that he plays the same way with his friends during the summer. :lol Sometimes, this nature can get the better of him because it gets to him mentally. But more often, it's what gives him the edge. The guy simply hates losing. That alone makes me keep on believing on this team.

And then you have guys like Timmy, who like to pace themselves, and don't want to get too high emotionally, or too low. As Tim said, there are too many games in a season that if he subjects himself to too much of highs and lows, it will just be draining.

I don't think it's wrong to go with either of these three. You have to do what you have to do to deal with the problems. You pick your life vest, put it on, and start swimming.

Thanks for the article, Walter, and the translation, urunobili. :tu

P.S. And yeah, that loss to Dallas must have been REALLY terrible for him. I think it will still 'haunt' him years from now. Maybe not as much. But there are some regrets that stay with you. And after his turnover against Sacramento, they reported that he was cursing in Spanish inside the lockerroom and wouldn't talk to anyone but his wife. :lol

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

03-19-2008, 11:42 AM

^^^ Good examples, I was gonna mention Horry and Timmy being the other two on the team who are probably aware of the losses and really love to win/hate to lose in different ways as well.

Solid D

03-19-2008, 11:42 AM

As I've said in the past, the only one with a HEART!

I really don't think that is true, twincam. Tim Duncan is an example of a Spurs player with "a HEART".

Matches Malone

03-19-2008, 11:53 AM

This is not the loser/ winner criterium, its the leader/ non- leader one.

I don't think is a leader/non-leader criteria, as you don't see Timmy posting blogs at 4:00am or Pop locking himself in a hotel room after a loss, and nobody would questions their leadership.

I don't even think is a matter of how players cope with losses or how they express themselves.

I think is a matter of personal demeanor.
Sometimes fans see these reactions as signs that the player cares or doesn't care about losing a game or playing badly. For the fans is personal, for the players.... it is just their job.

I am sure, that fans would like to see that after a series of bad games, the players are coming out trying to fix the problems. And this is what we are not seeing here. Manu highlighting that he is surprised of seeing teammates and rivals relaxed after a loss, I just his inner ego saying (as the fans say)..."For me is personal" :ihit . Props to Manu for being more in-synch with the fanbase out there. At the end of the day, this is the main difference that Manu has not only with his teammates, but also with the rest of the League.
:clap :clap :clap :clap

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

03-19-2008, 11:59 AM

Just be glad that Manu isn't typing up Larry Hughes like comments on his blog about the importance of winning.

carina_gino20

03-19-2008, 12:02 PM

After hearing what Manu had to say, I'd really love to hear Timmy's comment. Knowing Timmy, he won't volunteer anything. He's probably stewing somewhere, working up a storm inside him, and just biding his time until the next game where he can really vent his frustration. :lol

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

03-19-2008, 12:04 PM

I'm sure Timmy's focusing on the next 15 games just as much as Manu. But he won't show it. He's an island guy. Too mellow. :lol

hitmanyr2k

03-19-2008, 12:06 PM

I really don't think that is true, twincam. Tim Duncan is an example of a Spurs player with "a HEART".

I know the regular season probably doesn't matter much to guys like Tim Duncan anymore but I would like to see some kind of leadership from him on the floor once in awhile. It's been lacking this season. Sometimes it's almost like Duncan is content with looking like an over-the-hill Shaq and with the Spurs slipping the way they are that shouldn't be so.

The only game I've truly seen him show any kind of intensity the last couple of months is the game against the Mavs a few weeks ago. You could see it in his body language and in his eyes that he was amped for that game and he was going to make sure the Spurs didn't lose. I don't see how it's wrong to bring that kind of intensity at least every other game no matter who your opponent is. He sure as hell should have brought that intensity against Boston.

WalterBenitez

03-19-2008, 12:26 PM

Psst Manu, next time just call me. I'd love to help you get to sleep! :p:
:nope Manu fantasy is property of Spurschick!

vanvannen

03-19-2008, 12:40 PM

Manu's nature is very Argentinean IMO. Scola and Nocioni show the same intensity and I remember Team Argentina as a passionate bunch. I also remember some posters here criticizing Manu for being so down after de Sacto game. I remember something about not letting go...

Los Spurs

03-19-2008, 12:44 PM

Muy bien dicho, Campeon

roycrikside

03-19-2008, 12:44 PM

Meanwhile our starting point guard has more pressing issues to worry about than our losing streak... like planning fancy birthday parties for his wife.

Los Spurs

03-19-2008, 12:46 PM

Meanwhile our starting point guard has more pressing issues to worry about than our losing streak... like planning fancy birthday parties for his wife.

:dramaquee

Radiosparks

03-19-2008, 12:51 PM

Meanwhile our starting point guard has more pressing issues to worry about than our losing streak... like planning fancy birthday parties for his wife.

Hahahahahahaaaa... Poor Parker no love even when he's trying to be a good husband. :lol

ShoogarBear

03-19-2008, 12:51 PM

Meanwhile our starting point guard has more pressing issues to worry about than our losing streak... like planning fancy birthday parties for his wife.Yeah, right. And if Tony wrote a column making veiled comments implying he's the only one on the team who cares about winning, clowns like you would go apeshit ripping him apart.

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

03-19-2008, 12:57 PM

Meanwhile our starting point guard has more pressing issues to worry about than our losing streak... like planning fancy birthday parties for his wife.
Big deal. Players have lives. I'm sure Manu would have celebrated his wife's birthday despite the current Spurs losing streak.
It was just bad timing that the TP article came out the way it did on this forum

(makes him look like he's off carefree and distracted, while Manu's having sleepless nights. :lol)
as a basketball fan, I really dont care to hear about how they celebrate their private lives in articles like that, but it'spretty innocuous stuff on Parker's part.

T Park

03-19-2008, 12:58 PM

As I've said in the past, the only one with a HEART!

So Duncan and Parker have no heart?

Great :rolleyes

T Park

03-19-2008, 01:00 PM

I know the regular season probably doesn't matter much to guys like Tim Duncan anymore but I would like to see some kind of leadership from him on the floor once in awhile. It's been lacking this season. Sometimes it's almost like Duncan is content with looking like an over-the-hill Shaq and with the Spurs slipping the way they are that shouldn't be so.

The only game I've truly seen him show any kind of intensity the last couple of months is the game against the Mavs a few weeks ago. You could see it in his body language and in his eyes that he was amped for that game and he was going to make sure the Spurs didn't lose. I don't see how it's wrong to bring that kind of intensity at least every other game no matter who your opponent is. He sure as hell should have brought that intensity against Boston.

Hes not a scream and get in your face player.

Wish in one hand crap in the other, see wich fills up first but Duncans not wired that way.

hitmanyr2k

03-19-2008, 01:08 PM

Hes not a scream and get in your face player.

Wish in one hand crap in the other, see wich fills up first but Duncans not wired that way.

Who says Duncan has to scream or get in the face of anyone? He didn't do that stuff in the game against the Mavs a few weeks ago but his body language and demeanor in that one game was entirely different than any game I've seen all season. He clearly wanted to win and took it at the Mavs. I dare anyone to look at that game against the Mavs and show me another game where Duncan had the same kind of intensity in the last 3-4 months. What I don't understand is why is it such a chore for him to show that kind of intensity AT LEAST every third game? And with his team slipping and the West being so competitive it shouldn't be that hard to up your game a little or show your team a little heart. That crap he pulled against the Celtics was abyssmal.

GrandeDavid

03-19-2008, 01:10 PM

That was a nice write up by Manu. Its nice to hear him lay out a take on the current state of things and to feel his confidence that the Spurs will get this turned around. As he said, the schedule has been ridiculous to the Spurs, and the good and bad news is that there are 15 games left, but thankfully the Spurs are only a few games out of the top again.

I have faith in Manu and the Spurs, especially Manu. The Spurs will be tough come playoff time.

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

03-19-2008, 01:14 PM

Who says Duncan has to scream or get in the face of anyone? He didn't do that stuff in the game against the Mavs a few weeks ago but his body language and demeanor in that one game was entirely different than any game I've seen all season. He clearly wanted to win and took it at the Mavs. I dare anyone to look at that game against the Mavs and show me another game where Duncan had the same kind of intensity in the last 3-4 months. What I don't understand is why is it such a chore for him to show that kind of intensity AT LEAST every third game? And with his team slipping and the West being so competitive it shouldn't be that hard to up your game a little or show your team a little heart. That crap he pulled against the Celtics was abyssmal.It probably has more to do with fatigue than Duncan coasting. He only started to struggle in the last week or so. Also I'm pretty sure getting beaten up by the defenses and not getting any calls during huge stretches takes its toll.
That said, it's not that bad to jump on Timmy at times during regular season stretches, he's still human, I'm sure he could bring a little more intensity, because the game against the 76ers he just played soft, and he does sometimes forget to go in strong and plays too conservatively at times. I'm not complaining, cuz that's his game...but I've heard other non-Spurs fans have a problem with Tim seeming to play "passive" in some stretches.

ancestron

03-19-2008, 01:19 PM

Manu is a good writer, but he needs to get his sleep!

Manu_Ginobili

03-19-2008, 01:23 PM

vanvannen

03-19-2008, 01:38 PM

MANU IS MANU...SIMPLY THE BEST!!! :clap :clap :clap

Dude, not only your comment is bigheaded but you also refer to yourself on the third person? WTF?

whottt

03-19-2008, 01:41 PM

I remember whottt, in his ever-present Scola hate, hinted at some point that Manu and Scola did not get along

Must you tell a lie?

What I said was...perhaps the Spurs asked Manu if he'd rather play with Oberto or Scola and his choice was Oberto.

It could have happened...the Spurs have gone to Duncan and Parker for their opinions on players before.

vanvannen

03-19-2008, 01:45 PM

who cares it's a message board? What are you Spurstalk gestapo? :dramaquee

I was pretending to believe he was indeed, Emmanuel Ginobili himself. :rolleyes

vanvannen

03-19-2008, 01:50 PM

well you sure sounded perturbed by his post :p:
:lol

nkdlunch

03-19-2008, 01:57 PM

What I said was...perhaps the Spurs asked Manu if he'd rather play with Oberto or Scola and his choice was Oberto.

:lmao

why in the world would Manu pick Oberto over Scola for basketball. that's just silly

it's like picking Brendan Haywood over David West :lol

urunobili

03-19-2008, 01:59 PM

Must you tell a lie?

What I said was...perhaps the Spurs asked Manu if he'd rather play with Oberto or Scola and his choice was Oberto.

It could have happened...the Spurs have gone to Duncan and Parker for their opinions on players before.
this is plain and simple BS. you DID state that Manu didn't like Scola and start talking that crap like Manu did a plot for the Spurs not to bring him. it is easy to find that on the Official Scola Thread. you have to get over it... Manu is VERY close to Scola and they are best friends. Also.. and start sucking this... Scola is VERY close to Tiago Splitter... even his son has his name to honor him...

WalterBenitez

03-19-2008, 02:04 PM

this is plain and simple BS. you DID state that Manu didn't like Scola and start talking that crap like Manu did a plot for the Spurs not to bring him. it is easy to find that on the Official Scola Thread. you have to get over it... Manu is VERY close to Scola and they are best friends. Also.. and start sucking this... Scola is VERY close to Tiago Splitter... even his son has his name to honor him...

:oops strong reason for "someone" start shiting on Tiago

urunobili

03-19-2008, 02:05 PM

:oops strong reason for "someone" start shiting on Tiagodon't get what you mean can you be more explicit?

whottt

03-19-2008, 02:11 PM

:lmao

why in the world would Manu pick Oberto over Scola for basketball. that's just silly

it's like picking Brendan Haywood over David West :lol

I figure the conversation went something like this:

Pop: Who's a better defensive player and who do you think would compliment Duncan more, Scola or Oberto?

Manu: Oberto.

Pop: Thanks.

whottt

03-19-2008, 02:13 PM

It's either that or you have to believe that

A. The Spurs don't ask for their players advice and take their opinions into consideration when thinking of potential FA aquisitions. Which has been proven false many times. Because they do do that.

B. Manu said he liked Scola better and the Spurs said, fuck you.

Like I said...this is all speculation on my part, it's just what makes sense to me.

WalterBenitez

03-19-2008, 02:15 PM

don't get what you mean can you be more explicit?
:rolleyes "someone" = those who shit on Scola

E20

03-19-2008, 02:15 PM

Whottt is basing all of his points of assumptions which are proably false which fucks up his premis and conclusion. Let's not make this into a Scola thread.

This article further exemplifes the fact that Manu is a fucking G.

urunobili

03-19-2008, 02:16 PM

It's either that or you have to believe that

A. The Spurs don't ask for their players advice and take their opinions into consideration when thinking of potential FA aquisitions. Which has been proven false many times. Because they do do that.

true otherwise Josh Howard would be a Spur right now

B. Manu said he liked Scola better and the Spurs said, fuck you.
Doubtful

Like I said...this is all speculation on my part, it's just what makes sense to me.
you sounded way more confident than this on your previous posts. This tone at least makes you look better that it is YOUR take and NOTHING close to reality.

urunobili

03-19-2008, 02:17 PM

E20

03-19-2008, 02:18 PM

can i ask you what do you mean when you say someone is a "G"?
He's a pimped out gangsta, basically I'm saying Manu is badass/cool/awesome. LOL

whottt

03-19-2008, 02:18 PM

this is plain and simple BS. you DID state that Manu didn't like Scola and start talking that crap like Manu did a plot for the Spurs not to bring him. it is easy to find that on the Official Scola Thread.

Please post it, by all means.

you have to get over it...

And you have to realize that just because Manu isn't saying Scola sucks ass doesn't mean he wanted him on this team.

Manu is VERY close to Scola and they are best friends. Also.. and start sucking this... Scola is VERY close to Tiago Splitter... even his son has his name to honor him...

If they are so close how come he didn't name his son Manu?

whottt

03-19-2008, 02:20 PM

true otherwise Josh Howard would be a Spur right now

Doubtful

you sounded way more confident than this on your previous posts. This tone at least makes you look better that it is YOUR take and NOTHING close to reality.

I've been saying Scola was an asshole for 5 years...I also said years ago he wouldn't be a Spur because he was such an asshole...

I then had fine Argies like smeagol telling me I was full of hate and didn't know what I was talking about...

I have yet to see smeagol or any Argie own up to that...

THAT THEY WERE WRONG.

Accountability is a two way street.

And BTW, I talk a lot of shit during the course of an argument...seldom is it 100% serious.

urunobili

03-19-2008, 02:25 PM

And BTW, I talk a lot of shit during the course of an argument...seldom is it 100% serious.
be patient.. i am reading each of your posts on the Scola thread and i'll show you your Manu plot story not to bring him to the Spurs soon... :devil

whottt

03-19-2008, 02:33 PM

As for Oberto VS Scola

Oberto gets more rebounds per 48 minutes than Scola - Fact
Oberto has a better rebound rate than Scola - Fact

Oberto shoots nearly 100% higher from the field than Scola - Fact

Oberto was the best defensive big, who drew the toughest defensive asignments for team Argentina and was their team captain - Also fact.

Whottt wanted Oberto to replace David Robinson, in 2003 even as he was saying Scola was an asshole for comments he made on draft night, also a fact.

In short...I have not been wrong a single time about Scola, or about Oberto...and still I am being challenged as if I were. By people that were not even on this board when Scola was drafted.

And while we're at it...whottt said the Rockets were likely to get owned the first time they faced a team with a dominanrt bigman without Yao...

Which incidentally...happened last night.

The Rockets front line is decimated by injury, to the degree that they are starting a 41 year old C..and I still never saw Scola playing meaningful minutes during the 4th quarter of any Rockets game I watched during that streak.

In closing.....Scola is over-rated.

And an asshole.

SpurOutofTownFan

03-19-2008, 02:34 PM

For people who are freaking out now - pay attention to what he said: we weren't that good then and we arent that bad now, on that we are clear.

then = when they won 11 straight games
now = when they lost the last 3

nkdlunch

03-19-2008, 02:35 PM

Man Mountain

03-19-2008, 02:35 PM

Manu is so passionate about winning that it's awesome. He has that kind of personality that he takes loss to his soul. But I actually wish he would be sleeping instead of writing and pondering. He needs rest more than anyone on the team right now.

whottt

03-19-2008, 02:39 PM

be patient.. i am reading each of your posts on the Scola thread and i'll show you your Manu plot story not to bring him to the Spurs soon... :devil

Ehh...that was probably a joke or sarcasm to piss the Argie homers off.

For the record...

The night Scola was drafted by the Spurs, he said, it would have been better if he hadn't been drafted at all.

He said this because of the buyout clause he had with Tau...which made his buyout much more difficult if he wasn't drafted until the second round.

And he made similar derisive, negative or inflammatory comments either via his agent, or speaking directly in interviews, like the one during the 04 Olympics on American TV, for the rest of his time as a Spur.

I don't care why he said it...he was whining, and it was extremely offensive and rude, not to mention self centered, and from that moment, I have never liked Scola. He will likely never win an NBA championship and I celebrate that fact...because his own mouth fucked him over.

What Scola said that night, was like winning the 1 million dollar lottery and whining because you didn't win the 20 million dollar lottery...

What a little bitch.

Fuck Scola.

I'm glad he's not a Spur...

:elephant

whottt

03-19-2008, 02:44 PM

I just don't understand what kind of "insider" knowledge Manu might have that Spurs office didn't.

Um...he knows Scola personally since they have been playing together for years on Team Argentina. He knows every strength and flaw in his game, as only a teamate can.

Spurs office have been watching Scola more than Manu. I can guarantee they made up their mind all on their own.

I'm sorry but that's an incredibly stupid statement...I guarantee you Manu knows Scola's game better than the Spurs ever will.

And the Spurs do ask their players what they think...

Stephen Jackson was a Tim Duncan reccomendation for instance...

Hemotivo

03-19-2008, 02:44 PM

What I said was...perhaps the Spurs asked Manu if he'd rather play with Oberto or Scola and his choice was Oberto.

this is true

(but i don't have link to this)

urunobili

03-19-2008, 02:47 PM

Ehh...that was probably a joke or sarcasm to piss the Argie homers off. ok but you hurt our feelings when you say Manu doesn't like him... look at his own post whottt! he is part of the Scola church and you'll have to live with that...

For the record... The night Scola was drafted by the Spurs, he said, it would have been better if he hadn't been drafted at all.He said this because of the buyout clause he had with Tau...which made his buyout much more difficult if he wasn't drafted until the second round.And he made similar derisive, negative or inflammatory comments either via his agent, or speaking directly in interviews, like the one during the 04 Olympics on American TV, for the rest of his time as a Spur. I don't care why he said it...he was whining, and it was extremely offensive and rude, not to mention self centered, and from that moment, I have never liked Scola. He will likely never win an NBA championship and I celebrate that fact...because his own mouth fucked him over. What Scola said that night, was like winning the 1 million dollar lottery and whining because you didn't win the 20 million dollar lottery...

link??

I'm glad he's not a Spur... :elephant we all know that.. just don;t come and post as if you'd have Manu insider info that HE (Manu Ginobili) don't like him... i know it has to hurt that Manu had a whole paragraph to root for him...
:dizzy

nkdlunch

03-19-2008, 02:47 PM

Um...he knows Scola personally since they have been playing together for years on Team Argentina. He knows every strength and flaw in his game, as only a teamate can.

I'm sorry but that's an incredibly stupid statement...I guarantee you Manu knows Scola's game better than the Spurs ever will.

And the Spurs do ask their players what they think...

Stephen Jackson was a Tim Duncan reccomendation for instance...

:lmao

Scola has been playing in prime time Euroleague for years. what other kinda strengths and weaknesses would manu know that haven't been shown already?

you are hilarious :lol

now one thing the Spurs office + Manu would have never known is that Scola would flourish in the NBA. since he is international. that was the only unknown, but Manu would not have had the answer to that one either.

whottt

03-19-2008, 02:50 PM

true otherwise Josh Howard would be a Spur right now

False as Josh Howard isn't a Spur because the Spurs were trying to sign Jason Kidd. Who just so happened to be a guy Duncan wanted on the team as well.

you sounded way more confident than this on your previous posts. This tone at least makes you look better that it is YOUR take and NOTHING close to reality.

Eh...I was probably antagonizing someone. I don't really think Manu dislikes Scola...that part is a joke.

But I absolutely think with no doubt, that if they asked Manu who he'd rather play with, Scola or Oberto...IMO, he'd say Oberto.

I like Oberto better...and since we've won a title since he became the starting C, I fail to see why I am wrong about that.

Too bad the Spurs didn't sign him in 03 like I wanted.

Oberto was the team captain of Team Argentina...even among a selfless team, he stood apart for his selflessness...and he's done nothing as a Spur to make me reconsider that opinion on him...one I formed 6 years ago..watching he and Scola play alongside each other.

But go ahead...shit on Oberto all you want...I guess he doesn't score enough points for you.

vanvannen

03-19-2008, 02:54 PM

Ehh...that was probably a joke or sarcasm to piss the Argie homers off.

For the record...

The night Scola was drafted by the Spurs, he said, it would have been better if he hadn't been drafted at all.

He said this because of the buyout clause he had with Tau...which made his buyout much more difficult if he wasn't drafted until the second round.

And he made similar derisive, negative or inflammatory comments either via his agent, or speaking directly in interviews, like the one during the 04 Olympics on American TV, for the rest of his time as a Spur.

I don't care why he said it...he was whining, and it was extremely offensive and rude, not to mention self centered, and from that moment, I have never liked Scola. He will likely never win an NBA championship and I celebrate that fact...because his own mouth fucked him over.

What Scola said that night, was like winning the 1 million dollar lottery and whining because you didn't win the 20 million dollar lottery...

What a little bitch.

Fuck Scola.

I'm glad he's not a Spur...

:elephant

I have to disagree on this one. Maybe Scola was not smart to say it out loud (was he 20 at the time?) but he definetely got fucked being drafted, as it proved later staying in Spain for several more years.

urunobili

03-19-2008, 02:54 PM

But go ahead...shit on Oberto all you want...I guess he doesn't score enough points for you.
WAAAYYY off... we love Oberto... we are just questioning your "joke" that Manu doesn't like Scola and your "assumption" that he would have chosen Oberto instead of Luifa...

hater

03-19-2008, 02:55 PM

But I absolutely think with no doubt, that if they asked Manu who he'd rather play with, Scola or Oberto...IMO, he'd say Oberto.

I can see manu saying that..... after smoking a gram of crack

Everyone knows Scola is >>>> Oberto, this has been a fact for years and years. Even if Oberto is a nicer guy, Manu did not come here to make friends, remember? he would pick Scola in a heartbeat

urunobili

03-19-2008, 02:56 PM

I can see manu saying that..... after smoking a gram of crack

Everyone knows Scola is >>>> Oberto, this has been a fact for years and years. Even if Oberto is a nicer guy, Manu did not come here to make friends, remember? he would pick Scola in a heartbeatin addition to this... even Oberto admits Luis is better than he'll ever be... suck it whottt.. that's it...

hater

03-19-2008, 03:00 PM

it's like picking Brendan Haywood over David West :lol

whott: "but...but... Brendan gets more rebounds per 48 mins"

:elephant

urunobili

03-19-2008, 03:03 PM

:owned

Los Spurs

03-19-2008, 03:04 PM

It's amazing how this thread is on it's 5th page and it all started because Manu couldn't sleep :sleep

Brutalis

03-19-2008, 03:32 PM

As a long time fan I can only imagine what others felt after reading this.

Firstly, aren't we so lucky? Manu is a true country boy and he doesn't even know it hahaha. I love his heart and how he lives the game of basketball. We have some guys that truly play the game for the fans and the will to succeed and do it in a special way unique to typical NBAers today.

In some way this has given me more confidence in the Spurs. We have won championships because we are smart and control clock, passing lanes, cuts to the basket and simple fundamentals. Not because we had the best player or we had anything specific worth a lot. Just a will to win the damn game and I know we can do it come playoff time. Home or away.

diego

03-19-2008, 03:39 PM

for the record, i like whottt, i think he generally has good takes and is usually funny too. i even understand that, with the way some people hype up scola, he feels the need to pee on their parade. (hell, even some of us argies get pissed at those people).

but he's talked so much shit about scola that he's gone to the other extreme and painted himself into a corner. he made scola sound so bad that scola doesnt have to do much to prove him wrong.

the other day when argspursfan made that 2nd round bet, whottt should have taken it without qualifications. at least then he would have stood behind his arguments, and gotten rid of that headache for the rest of us. now, he's becoming the doppler of argspursfan, speculating off interviews and stats to make an unmakeable point.

that scola isnt a superstar/all star/greatest pf in history is not news.
that he is a bargain, contract vs production, and better than a 2nd round pick, is really not debateable IMO.

Brutalis

03-19-2008, 03:44 PM

LocosPorJuana

03-19-2008, 03:45 PM

manu is the best! one day he will replace god(armando maradona)as the face for argentine sports.

whottt

03-19-2008, 03:48 PM

I have to disagree on this one. Maybe Scola was not smart to say it out loud (was he 20 at the time?) but he definetely got fucked being drafted, as it proved later staying in Spain for several more years.

His fault...he shouldn't have signed a stupid buyout clause. And if he did...he should of dealt with the consequences of doing so.

The world doesn't revolve around fucking Scola...if he's in the NBA draft and available...a team has a rigth to draft him. Regardless of whether or not it the best situation for him personally.

And if he wants to make dumbass comments...well, he's free to do so. And people are free to judge him by them.

And that's something else...

I hate to break it to you Argentina...but it's entirely possible Scola never wanted to be a Spur anyway, and he forced the Spurs to trade his rights.

I know you Argies are going to blindly defend your countryman...but there's a reason he's not here...and it's not because the Spurs are stupid.

Either they didn't want him, or he didn't want them...but the bad blood between them was evident long before this past offseason...and every time I mentioned it, I got piled on by Argentina...

Welll, he's not here is he? So obviously, something wasn't right between them.

If you think the Spurs are stupid? Go root for the fucking Rockets.....

Don't root for a team you don't support. Fags.

whottt

03-19-2008, 03:54 PM

WAAAYYY off... we love Oberto... we are just questioning your "joke" that Manu doesn't like Scola and your "assumption" that he would have chosen Oberto instead of Luifa...

Why do you think Manu would choose Scola would over Oberto?

Why?

You have some kind of proof he likes Scola better than Oberto?

Because Scola scores more PPG?

Because Scola named his son Tiago?

Because he said nice things about Scola in the article at the beginning of this thread?

Because he says nice things about Scola he obviously likes Scola better than Oberto?

I don't get it...

I don't see any logic to what you are saying.

Just because he says something nice about Scola doesn't mean he doesn't like Oberto...it doesn't mean what I say couldn't be true.

I mean let's say Manu absolutely hates Scola...he still has to play with him on the National Team...he still is a co-representative of Argentine basketball...

Does Manu seem like the type to go around making negative comments to you? Even if he has cause to do so?

No he doesn't...which immediately separates him from Scola, see draft night 2002...and which is why the closest Scola is ever going to get to the HOF is watching Manu go in.

whottt

03-19-2008, 04:02 PM

Next thing you guys will be telling me is that Manu wants the Rockets to win the NBA championship this year...just like most of you do. I mean after all...he said nice things about Scola.

TMTTRIO

03-19-2008, 04:04 PM

Well Scola said that he was roommates with Manu for a long time with the NT so who knows what went on:p:

whottt

03-19-2008, 04:06 PM

Next thing you guys will be telling me is that Manu wants the Rockets to win the NBA championship this year...just like most of you do. I mean after all...he said nice things about Scola.

Excellent point whottt :tu

The simple fact of the matter is, if the Spurs are eliminated, the second the Spurs are out of the playoffs half the guys you are arguing with will immediately jump ship to the Rockets.

THey aren't Spurfans...they're Argie fans, and the Spurs just happen to have some Argies.

Me? I'd root for Satan to win the championship before the Rockets. Whether Scola was there or not...I don't care how many Americans are on the team.

Brutalis

03-19-2008, 04:10 PM

Well Scola said that he was roommates with Manu for a long time with the NT so who knows what went on:p:
Not all big strong long haired guys are gay dude. Just cause whot is don't make them the same.

InK

03-19-2008, 04:29 PM

Me? I'd root for Satan to win the championship before the Rockets.

Here is what defines a Spurs fan, boys and girls. Rather Satan's warm embrace then the dispicable act of rooting for your countrymen. And whottt leads by example, for he "does not care how many americans are on the team", and nor should you! What an analogy. We are in a presence of a great mind indeed.

WalterBenitez

03-19-2008, 04:40 PM

diego

03-19-2008, 04:42 PM

The simple fact of the matter is, if the Spurs are eliminated, the second the Spurs are out of the playoffs half the guys you are arguing with will immediately jump ship to the Rockets.

yes i agree. but why piss off the half that will stay?

are you telling me there are no american bandwagoners, trolls, and dumbasses?

anyways, carry on if you must.

WalterBenitez

03-19-2008, 04:45 PM

vanvannen

03-19-2008, 04:45 PM

Excellent point whottt :tu

The simple fact of the matter is, if the Spurs are eliminated, the second the Spurs are out of the playoffs half the guys you are arguing with will immediately jump ship to the Rockets.

THey aren't Spurfans...they're Argie fans, and the Spurs just happen to have some Argies.

Me? I'd root for Satan to win the championship before the Rockets. Whether Scola was there or not...I don't care how many Americans are on the team.

He does have a point. There's going to be a lot less Argies here when Manu is done or traded.

ducks

03-19-2008, 04:59 PM

maybe manu should rember when he attacked the rim got the other team in foul trouble spurs were winning because they could not play duncan and parker as tight because they did not want to foul out

timvp

03-19-2008, 06:01 PM

By all accounts, Ginobili is turning into the emotional leader of this team, which is great. Duncan has become a good on court leader but the Spurs have needed someone who has fire behind closed doors.

I like the leadership mix on this team. On a team, you need a variety of different personalities. Duncan is the person looked to when on the court. Manu is the fire behind the scenes. Parker is too young to have much of a leadership role but he is important in the mix because he's the extension of Pop on the court. Whatever Pop tells him to do, he'll do it.

But then even a player like Horry who probably doesn't care at all if the Spurs win or lose a regular season game, he's still important to the mix. Since he keeps an even temperament the entire time, he's a good calming influence when the times get tough. And then there's Finley, who is a guy who takes the regular season too seriously. He's probably somewhere right now holding back tears.

Overall it's a good mix. There aren't any conflicts in the leadership department, which is the easiest way to destroy chemistry.

Ed Helicopter Jones

03-19-2008, 06:06 PM

I like the fact that Manu is getting worked up about the losses. That will likely translate into the team as a whole getting more motivated.

I honestly feel like the team has developed a big dose of "Horry-itis" and is just coasting along. Each year Timmy seems to be shifting gears a lot more apparently once the playoffs are here.

I still fully expect this team to make a late charge and do some damage in the post season.

I believe, and it's not the Spurs homer in me. I just see a very good team, a team that is largely in tact from last year with improvements at the reserves, who can do exactly what they did last season if they can get on a little run and enter the playoffs on a high note.

BonnerDynasty

03-19-2008, 06:30 PM

I get a feeling if the Spurs make the playoffs we will see Manu ascend to greatness.

Spurs Brazil

03-19-2008, 06:32 PM

And then there's Finley, who is a guy who takes the regular season too seriously. He's probably somewhere right now holding back tears.

Maybe it's because he spent a lot of time in Dallas :)

whottt

03-19-2008, 06:36 PM

so bad that scola doesnt have to do much to prove him wrong.

the other day when argspursfan made that 2nd round bet, whottt should have taken it without qualifications. at least then he would have stood behind his arguments,

Um...what if I think there is a good chance the Rockets will advance to the second round for reasons entirely unrelated to Scola?

No...that wasn't a good bet, because that bet is about the Rockets team performance and not Scola.

IF Scola was not on the Rockets, I still would not take that bet.

If Scola fans want to prove something by tying it into team success...then let's bet on if the Rockets will beat the Spurs.

I mean afterall...a player worth a seasons worth of bitching should be able to get his team past the Spurs....I mean the Rockets FO is so much smarter and well run than the Spurs.

Let's make the bet...you guys want ride Houston...then ride them. Get off the fence.

Everyone bitching about what a horrible trade this was...

Bet me that the Rockets will beat the Spurs should they meet in the playoffs.

and gotten rid of that headache for the rest of us. now, he's becoming the doppler of argspursfan, speculating off interviews and stats to make an unmakeable point.

that scola isnt a superstar/all star/greatest pf in history is not news.
that he is a bargain, contract vs production, and better than a 2nd round pick, is really not debateable IMO.

1. Scola is an asshole. That is the prmary reason I don't like him.

2. I never said he was going to be the worst player in history. I said he wouldn't translate to the NBA as well as Manu.....he won't. Scola will never be anything close to the MVP candidate he was in Europe in the NBA, he will be a very average player that will wind up a backup PF.

IOW...all the people acting like this is a big deal are fools, blinded by a blue and white flag or plain old ignorance.

3. For all we know, Scola forced the trade.

FWIW...I thougth we'd get more for Scola than we got...you just have to convince me the Spurs had that opportunity. I don't think they did.

T Park

03-19-2008, 06:39 PM

I think Horry is the one that he sees after a loss laughing and joking around.

Thats just how Horry is.

Holt's Cat

03-19-2008, 06:42 PM

10 games in 15 days.

whottt

03-19-2008, 07:01 PM

whott: "but...but... Brendan gets more rebounds per 48 mins"

:elephant

in addition to this... even Oberto admits Luis is better than he'll ever be... suck it whottt.. that's it...

:owned

What a pathetic definition of owning...I know more about basketbaall than both of you combined...I've watched more basketball than both of you combined. And statistically, you don't have a leg to stand on.

Manu'sMagicalLeftHand

03-19-2008, 07:04 PM

I've been saying Scola was an asshole for 5 years...I also said years ago he wouldn't be a Spur because he was such an asshole...

I then had fine Argies like smeagol telling me I was full of hate and didn't know what I was talking about...

I have yet to see smeagol or any Argie own up to that...

THAT THEY WERE WRONG.

Accountability is a two way street.

And BTW, I talk a lot of shit during the course of an argument...seldom is it 100% serious.

WTF?

Your level of hate is amazing, you can twist reality beyond frontiers just to try to win an argument.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/15/AR2008031502066.html

After seeing his friend GinÓbili have success, Scola had hoped to play with him in San Antonio. Instead, he's in Houston.

"It was no problem for me. I understand [the Spurs] didn't have room for me," Scola said. "They give me this opportunity. If they didn't trade me, I may have to stay in Europe and I never play in NBA. They traded me and I'm really thankful for it."

But I guess, somehow, in your delusional mind, that is being an arsehole.

whottt

03-19-2008, 07:07 PM

Here is what defines a Spurs fan, boys and girls. Rather Satan's warm embrace then the dispicable act of rooting for your countrymen. And whottt leads by example, for he "does not care how many americans are on the team", and nor should you! What an analogy. We are in a presence of a great mind indeed.

If you were real Spurfan...there'd be no way you'd root for the Rockets...but of course, the reasons behind that mindset predated Manu being on this team...and I seriously doubt you were a Spurfan then.

I've go not problems with you rooting for the Rockets...I have a problem with you claiming to be a Spurfan while you do it...

1. A true Spur fan would never root for the Rockets.

2. And a true Spurfan would know why.

3. You have to be an idiot to base your NBA fandom on National Rooting Interest. It cannot be done. The NBA has nothing to do with National Baketball...why don't you go try to swim in a car...it makes more sense.

whottt

03-19-2008, 07:09 PM

Let me just repeat this for emphasis...out of any team in the entire NBA..

The Rockets are the absolute last team any true Spur fan would want to see win, under any conditions.

When you figure out why, you'll also figure out why you are owned.

whottt

03-19-2008, 07:23 PM

WTF?

Your level of hate is amazing, you can twist reality beyond frontiers just to try to win an argument.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/15/AR2008031502066.html

After seeing his friend GinÓbili have success, Scola had hoped to play with him in San Antonio. Instead, he's in Houston.

"It was no problem for me. I understand [the Spurs] didn't have room for me," Scola said. "They give me this opportunity. If they didn't trade me, I may have to stay in Europe and I never play in NBA. They traded me and I'm really thankful for it."

But I guess, somehow, in your delusional mind, that is being an arsehole.

Are you serious?

1. The night Scola was drafted he said, it'd better if I hadn't been drafted at all.

I know you weren't here then...that was before Manu was even on the team. There was only one Argie here then...and his name was Fizzzar.

2. In 2004 RC Buford asked Scola where was the rebounding, at which point Scola got indignant(to his credit, he improved his rebounding after than, even in Europe).

3. In 2004, when asked about joining the Spurs during the Olympic tournament, Scola flat otu said he didn't care about the Spurs, he wasn't think about them.

4. Several times during Scola's negotiations with the Spurs during offseasons, there were rumors that Scola was infuriated with the Spurs and would never play for them.

I'm sorry, but you can't just post some article from 2008 and think it makes you an expert on the past 5 years of Scola and Spurs interworkings.

And Scola has smoothed it over..but the bottom line is, he's not here...why?

And please don't say the Spurs are stupid....they aren't stupid. They won 4 championships...they found Manu before Argentina did, before even he knew what he was.

Either he wanted the trade...plenty of evidence to indicate that, since he was upset that the Spurs drafted him(just because he has a reason to be upset doesn't mean he wasn't upset, stupidly).

or..

They knew he wasn't any better than Oberto(he isn't) except in the area of what he could be traded for.

They saw his legacy of Euroleague chokes.

They didn't like his attitude.

And they didn't want him on this team.

Kamnik

03-19-2008, 07:25 PM

Overall conclusion: Worthless to read whottt's posts!

oh.... and manu rocks!

whottt

03-19-2008, 07:25 PM

It's funny how all you guys keep asking me for the link to SCola's comments the night he was drafted...

Boy have you proved your point....

You weren't around to read them at the time? Not to mention the fact that you must not have been anywhere near ST at that time. I was. Maybe that has something to do with my opinion?

Go ahead...tell yourselves I am making it up...continue living ignorant.

Sportman

03-19-2008, 07:32 PM

ArgSpursFan.

03-19-2008, 07:35 PM

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

03-19-2008, 07:41 PM

I dont know if somebody's already posted this pic, and sorry if that happened but it really really impressed me to see it

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7927/angrymanuof5.th.png (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angrymanuof5.png)
:lol

that was right when the buzzer sounded right?

I couldn't tell from that img link on the post, but clicking on the url, with it enlarged, he's foaming at the mouth already like a rabid coyote.

Dude does not like losing. He looks like he's going to strangle someone :wow

whottt

03-19-2008, 07:48 PM

:reading

ok Wottt,since you don't wanna bet on the Rockets as a team let's do this:
I bet you Scola will average 15/8 in the playoffs and the rockets will move past the 1st round.
If Scola averages less tham 15/8 or the Rockets don't go past the 1 st round YOU WIN.
If Scola averages 15/8 or more and the Rockets move to the 2nd round I WIN.
whoever wins get to pick the loser's avatar pic,and title under it + signature.
Deal.

I like my bet better...

Rockets have the #1 seed. They have the mighty Scola. According to you, this was a horrible trade which hurt the Spurs.

So therefore...you should have no problems picking the Rockets to beat the Spurs should they meet in the post season.

I mean...if it doesn't make the Rockets better than the Spurs, then it didn't hurt them. Add in the fact that is was probably the best deal they could get...

IF both teams are about as healthy as they are now...

If you stand with Scola, and this trade was as big of a deal as you have made of it you should have no problems picking the Rockets over the Spurs.

They have better record than the Spurs. And they are 2-1 against the Spurs this season. And the Spurs are struggling as we speak.

Eveyrthing is in your favor.

Stand with Scola...stand with your NBA team.

Stand with him now as you do everytime the Spurs lose and the Rockets win.

That is the only bet I will take with you.

wildchild

03-19-2008, 07:49 PM

:lmao

why in the world would Manu pick Oberto over Scola for basketball. that's just silly

it's like picking Brendan Haywood over David West :lol

YOU don't be silly. Oberto's pass and his moves without the ball are much better than Haywood. What's your f problem with the guy?

hater

03-19-2008, 08:01 PM

I honestly feel like the team has developed a big dose of "Horry-itis" and is just coasting along. Each year Timmy seems to be shifting gears a lot more apparently once the playoffs are here.

:bang we should have banished Horry to devil's island until the playffs

Manu'sMagicalLeftHand

03-19-2008, 08:05 PM

1. The night Scola was drafted he said, it'd better if I hadn't been drafted at all.

I know you weren't here then...that was before Manu was even on the team. There was only one Argie here then...and his name was Fizzzar.

2. In 2004 RC Buford asked Scola where was the rebounding, at which point Scola got indignant(to his credit, he improved his rebounding after than, even in Europe).

3. In 2004, when asked about joining the Spurs during the Olympic tournament, Scola flat otu said he didn't care about the Spurs, he wasn't think about them.

4. Several times during Scola's negotiations with the Spurs during offseasons, there were rumors that Scola was infuriated with the Spurs and would never play for them.

Direct link with quotes please for #1, #2 & #4, otherwise it's just gossip, which could be true, but also something a writer with a lot of imagination made up. I wasn't around here, but I followed Scola's career even before you
started to have wet dreams with Brent Barry in the Clippers. He never declared any of those things you acuse him.

Oh, and about #3. Manu would have answered the same if asked that question in the 2002 World Championships. It's a short elimination tournament, with plenty of back-to-backs, if you don't focus only in winning it, you lose. In a recent interview Manu said that winning a Gold Medal with Argentina at the Olympics again is more important than another NBA ring. Is Manu an arsehole too?

The rest of your rant can be answered with simple statements. Scola went to the Rockets because there he was offered more playing time and a better contract. He wanted to be a Spur, but the front office decided that Bonner was a better option. Scola won't be an NBA All-Star, but he will be a good, solid team player who understands his role and helps his team win. I'm not as blind as some other Argies who claim that Scola is Chamberlain reloaded. However, your blind hate has taken you to the other extreme.

Mad at Scola? Why? He didn't decide what team he'd go to, almost no player in the NBA or any of the pro leagues in American sports do, the trade system works that way. Owners and front offices decide pretty much everything. Did the Spurs front office made a mistake? Yes. But that's it, everybody should move on. Scola isn't mad at the Spurs, the Spurs aren't angry on Scola, all of them are worried about the race in the West this current season.

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg

Information Minister Muhammad al-Whott:
"Luis Scola is an infidel. I now inform you that you are too far from reality. I triple guarantee you, Scola hates the Spurs. Let the Argentinian infidels bask in their illusion. The American press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies and more lies! Scola hates the Spurs, always has, always will. The leader of the international criminal gang of bastards, he is."

Cherry

03-19-2008, 08:11 PM

whottt, Scola is a great teamate, player, person and he can prove it every night. Not bad for a rookie year IMO.

Shut up and get over it.

RuffnReadyOzStyle

03-19-2008, 08:17 PM

Thanks for the translation.

I love and respect Manu, not just for his play, but his attitude to basketball and to life. What a champion!

hater

03-19-2008, 08:18 PM

What a pathetic definition of owning...I know more about basketbaall than both of you combined...I've watched more basketball than both of you combined. And statistically, you don't have a leg to stand on.

were u stomping the ground when you typed that? :lol

whottt

03-19-2008, 08:18 PM

Direct link with quotes please for #1, #2 & #4, otherwise it's just gossip, which could be true, but also something a writer with a lot of imagination made up. I wasn't around here, but I followed Scola's career even before you
started to have wet dreams with Brent Barry in the Clippers. He never declared any of those things you acuse him.

Fine...I made all of them up. Believe what you want. Doesn't make you right...

I'm not making them up. That's the reality of this situation.

Oh, and about #3. Manu would have answered the same if asked that question in the 2002 World Championships. It's a short elimination tournament, with plenty of back-to-backs, if you don't focus only in winning it, you lose. In a recent interview Manu said that winning a Gold Medal with Argentina at the Olympics again is more important than another NBA ring. Is Manu an arsehole too?

No...but Scola didn't say it was all about the Gold Medal. He said it was all about Tau.

And even then I understand...I just didn't like the way he said it. He said like an asshole and his face went from a smile to a sneer at the mere mention of signing with the Spurs. Was pretty obvious there was bad blood...

And BTW, I did comment on most of these things as they happened...but Spurs Talk has gone from being not in existence at all, to being called Full Sport Press, to Spurs Talk, and jumping a server at least once since then.

The rest of your rant can be answered with simple statements. Scola went to the Rockets because there he was offered more playing time and a better contract. He wanted to be a Spur, but the front office decided that Bonner was a better option. Scola won't be an NBA All-Star, but he will be a good, solid team player who understands his role and helps his team win. I'm not as blind as some other Argies who claim that Scola is Chamberlain reloaded. However, your blind hate has taken you to the other extreme.

Mad at Scola? Why? He didn't decide what team he'd go to, almost no player in the NBA or any of the pro leagues in American sports do, the trade system works that way. Owners and front offices decide pretty much everything. Did the Spurs front office made a mistake? Yes. But that's it, everybody should move on. Scola isn't mad at the Spurs, the Spurs aren't angry on Scola, all of them are worried about the race in the West this current season.

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg

Information Minister Muhammad al-Whott:
"Luis Scola is an infidel. I now inform you that you are too far from reality. I triple guarantee you, Scola hates the Spurs. Let the Argentinian infidels bask in their illusion. The American press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies and more lies! Scola hates the Spurs, always has, always will. The leader of the international criminal gang of bastards, he is."

Frankly dude...none of that did anything to bolster your stance that you

A. Know what you are talking about.
B. Have followed the Scola situation closely...not even as recently as this past summer.

Scola had supreme leverage as he had the right to sign a long term with Tau at any time of his choosing leaving the Spurs with absolutely nothing in return for his rights. And in fact...it was possible he was going to do just that. That would force the Spurs to trade him for something, anything, that would even give him a great deal of leverage on which team he was going to play for...

If you don't think there were plenty of hostilities between the Spurs and Scola during the course of his negotiations with them over several summers...you were paying absolutely no attention to the situation.

I fought Argentina over it every time it happened...

Including posters like smeagol.

whottt

03-19-2008, 08:21 PM

whottt, Scola is a great teamate, player, person and he can prove it every night. Not bad for a rookie year IMO.

Shut up and get over it.

You get over it....I'm glad he's with the Rockets.

I just wish all his fans would join him.......................

Instread of pretending to be fans of the Spurs and their "incompetent" Front Office. Go root for Scola...and the Rockets and their "smart" FO.

Cherry

03-19-2008, 08:24 PM

You get over it....I'm glad he's with the Rockets.

If you are glad, why you write all this? :lol

whottt

03-19-2008, 08:29 PM

If you are glad, why you write all this? :lol

I remember whottt, in his ever-present Scola hate, hinted at some point that Manu and Scola did not get along

Argentina started it....just like Luis(it'd be better if I hadn't been drafted at all) Scola.

wildchild

03-19-2008, 08:29 PM

in addition to this... even Oberto admits Luis is better than he'll ever be... suck it whottt.. that's it...

link? Don't lie.

I can see manu saying that..... after smoking a gram of crack

Everyone knows Scola is >>>> Oberto, this has been a fact for years and years. Even if Oberto is a nicer guy, Manu did not come here to make friends, remember? he would pick Scola in a heartbeat

A perfectly normal child could grow up to be crazy ignorant by being raised with other poor men (nkdlunch, hater, uronobili, ArgSpursFan, ducks, Manu4Tres, SpurDynasty21, and other Oberto hater and Scola lovers).

Li'l sis it's too late for all of you.

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

03-19-2008, 08:33 PM

You get over it....I'm glad he's with the Rockets.

I just wish all his fans would join him.......................

Instread of pretending to be fans of the Spurs and their "incompetent" Front Office. Go root for Scola...and the Rockets and their "smart" FO.
Have any of the non-Argie fans (regulars), defended the acquisition of Scola when those news snippets were released that showed what kind of character Scola had been (the comments, etc.), or were they not as bothered by those comments? I wasn't around the forum at the time.

Seems like you have valid reasons to dislike the guy, in comparison to the other two we got--Oberto, Manu who seem to be pretty mature in their comments,

you're doing a lot of extrapolating, though. I thought he had a pretty good interview earlier in this season that seemed to reflect the other Argie-team..but whatever those comments you mentioned about the draft seem to show his possible immaturity/ the mark of an ingrate.

Cherry

03-19-2008, 08:36 PM

kolko

03-19-2008, 08:36 PM

Direct link with quotes please for #1, #2 & #4, "Luis estaba muy triste. Todos lo estamos. Es lo peor que le podía haber pasado. Queríamos que saliera en primera o nada. En segunda no nos sirve." (Mike Cound, el asistente de su agente estadoounidense)

http://old.ole.com.ar/diario/2002/06/27/d-408407.htm

"Luis was so sad. Everyone are. It's the worst thing it could have happened to him. We wanted him to be drafted in the first round or nothing. In second round, we don`t need it." (Mike Cound, his agent assistant)

timvp

03-19-2008, 08:39 PM

1. The night Scola was drafted he said, it'd better if I hadn't been drafted at all.

I know you weren't here then...that was before Manu was even on the team. There was only one Argie here then...and his name was Fizzzar.

2. In 2004 RC Buford asked Scola where was the rebounding, at which point Scola got indignant(to his credit, he improved his rebounding after than, even in Europe).

3. In 2004, when asked about joining the Spurs during the Olympic tournament, Scola flat otu said he didn't care about the Spurs, he wasn't think about them.

4. Several times during Scola's negotiations with the Spurs during offseasons, there were rumors that Scola was infuriated with the Spurs and would never play for them. I haven't read the whole Scola argument but I'll chime in on these points.

1. Yeah, that's true. Scola said he went to sleep after the first round and when he woke up, he was pissed to learn that he was drafted by the Spurs in the second round. He did say that he wish he would have gone undrafted.

2. Also true. I'm not sure about the exact year ... actually, I think it happened more than once. And yeah, Scola got pissed that RC emailed him telling him to rebound more. It turned out that Scola was right that his rebounding was fine, but he handled it wrong. You don't publicly call out the Spurs' FO because of an email.

3. True but that was a token answer. I don't blame him for not caring about the Spurs at that point.

4. I remember those rumors but it's tough to say what was true and what was false. The Argentine media would come out with one story in one newspaper and then a totally different story in another newspaper. Plus, Scola had like five people who would talk on his behalf so it was confusing.

While I do think the Spurs handled the Scola situation poorly throughout the whole time he was their property, Scola and his representatives didn't handle it well either. There was animosity throughout and when all was said and done, the Spurs apparently couldn't overlook the animosity and see there was actually a good player on the other side of the line.

Oh well. F Scola. F the Rockets.

The playoffs are too close to be caring about offseason mistakes. Hopefully Scola gets his azz swept in the first round so this talk can go away.

:makemyday

Malik Rows

03-19-2008, 08:44 PM

I sit alone in my four-cornered room staring at candles
Oh that shit is on? Heh
Let me drop some shit like this here Real smooth

Verse One: Manu G

http://www.cable360.net/images/articles/25051_1187015872.jpg

At night I can't sleep, I toss and turn
Candle sticks in the dark, visions of losses being turned
Four walls just staring at a nigga
I'm paranoid, sleeping with my finger on the trigga
My momma's always stressing I ain't living right
But I ain't going out without a fight
See, everytime my eyes close
I start sweatin, and blood starts comin out my nose
It's somebody watchin' the Ak'
But I don't know who it is, so I'm watchin my back
I can see him when I'm deep in the covers
When I awake I don't see the motherfucker
He owns a black hat like I own
A black suit and a cane like my own
Some might say "take a chill, MG"
But fuck that shit, there's a nigga trying to kill me
I'm poppin' in a clip when the wind blows
Every twenty seconds got me peeping out my window
Investigating the joint for traps
Checking my telephone for taps
I'm staring at the woman on the corner
It's fucked up when your mind is playing tricks on you

Verse Two: Timmy D

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9783/captdc01f9d7e2fb4b43912np5.jpg

I make big money, I drive big cars
Everybody know me, it's like I'm a movie star
But late at night, somethin ain't right
I feel I'm being tailed by the same sucker's head lights
Is it that fool that I ran off the block
Or is it that nigga last week that I shot
Or is it the one I beat for five thousand dollars
Thought he had 'caine but it was Gold Medal Flour
Reach under my seat, grabbed my popper for the suckers
Ain't no use to be lying, I was scareder than a motherfucker
Hooked a left into Popeye’s and beared down quick
If it's going down let's get this shit over with
Here they come, just like I figured
I got my hand on the motherfucking trigger
What I saw'll make your ass start giggling
Three blind, crippled and crazy senior citizens
I live by the sword
I take my boys everywhere I go
Because I'm paranoid
I keep looking over my shoulder and peeping around corners
My mind is playing tricks on me

Verse Three: Scarface

http://espn.go.com/photo/2007/0605/nba_g_popovich_275.jpg

Day by day it's more impossible to cope
I feel like I'm the one that's doing dope
Can't keep a steady hand because I'm nervous
Every Sunday morning I'm in service
Praying for forgiveness
And trying to find an exit out of the business
I know the Lord is looking at me
But yet and still it's hard for me to feel happy
I often drift when I drive
Havin fatal thoughts of suicide
BANG and get it over with
And then I'm worry-free, but that's bullshit
I got a little boy to look after
And if I died then my child would be a bastard
I had a woman down with me
But to me it seemed like she was down to get me
She helped me out in this shit
But to me she was just another bitch
Now she's back with her mother
Now I'm realizing that I love her
Now I'm feeling lonely
My mind is playing tricks on me

Verse Four: Bushwick Bob

http://thehype.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/roberthorry.jpg

This year Halloween fell on a weekend
Me and Los Spurs are trick-or-treating
Robbing little kids for bags
Till a law man got behind our ass
So we speeded up the pace
Took a look back and he was right before our face
He'd be in for a squable no doubt
So I swung and hit the nigga in his mouth
He was going down, we figga'd
But this wasn’t no ordinary nigga
He stood about six or seven feet
Now, that's the nigga I'd been seeing in my sleep
So we triple-teamed on him
Dropping them motherfuckin beads on him
The more I swung the more blood flew
Then he disappeared and my boys disappeared, too
Then I felt just like a fiend
It wasn't even close to Halloween
It was dark as fuck on the streets
My hands were all bloody from punching on the concrete
God damn, homie
My mind is playing tricks on me

InK

03-19-2008, 08:48 PM

If you were real Spurfan...there'd be no way you'd root for the Rockets...but of course, the reasons behind that mindset predated Manu being on this team...and I seriously doubt you were a Spurfan then.

First of all, and to get it out of the way, i dont root for the Rockets. Im not from Argentina, and i have no preferences towards the argentinian players based solely on their nationality, but i will admit i like how the vast majority of argentinians play. And yes, you are correct in your last assumption, not due to your amazing insight, as you would probably like to beleive, but due to a mere coincidence.

What you lack, is some insight into a mind of an international fan. Under which category i fall as well. The reason why people become fans has probably got to do a lot with identification, of one type or another. What type of identification will international fans most likely pick, with no ties to the community in which the club is based, no inhereted preferences, almost no televisioned games before this decade, small media coverage in the country they live....and so on. Will they choose their team by a logo, or based on who played whom in the finals last year (or a decade ago)....or will they go with a team, for which their countrymen play, and whos matches actually get aired from time to time in their own country? Will they go with a team, who beleived in their player, the player who is most likely one of the "chosen few" in their country, the player that they themselfs probably had such high hopes...and so on.

And yes i agree with you on the point that such fans cannot be called Spurs fans ( in this case) or Rockets fans ( in another), but this is the begginings of an "evolution of a fan", and this is how at the end of the process real, dedicated fans were, are, and will be formed. If you can't see that, then maybe your not the guy who should be making havoc for the value of a good disput.

3. You have to be an idiot to base your NBA fandom on National Rooting Interest. It cannot be done. The NBA has nothing to do with National Baketball...why don't you go try to swim in a car...it makes more sense.

So what should the base that DRAWS international fans into watching and following NBA be, and more importantly, how does their local network market that base?

wildchild

03-19-2008, 09:07 PM

WAAAYYY off... we love Oberto...

Try to stamp out sarcasm. You hate the guy.

Bruno

03-19-2008, 09:07 PM

timvp wasn't enough for whottt. He is now aguing with a whole continent.
Next step is whottt versus the world. :smokin

WalterBenitez

03-19-2008, 09:22 PM

timvp wasn't enough for whottt. He is now aguing with a whole continent.
Next step is whottt versus the world. :smokin

universe is still out there
:rolleyes

wildchild

03-19-2008, 09:23 PM

timvp wasn't enough for whottt. He is now aguing with a whole continent.
Next step is whottt versus the world. :smokin

:lmao

Grand ami the argies aren't a whole continent. You looked up the argies on the map? Not even are on the map? Poor them.

whottt

03-19-2008, 09:26 PM

First of all, and to get it out of the way, i dont root for the Rockets. Im not from Argentina, and i have no preferences towards the argentinian players based solely on their nationality, but i will admit i like how the vast majority of argentinians play. And yes, you are correct in your last assumption, not due to your amazing insight, as you would probably like to beleive, but due to a mere coincidence.

What you lack, is some insight into a mind of an international fan. Under which category i fall as well. The reason why people become fans has probably got to do a lot with identification, of one type or another. What type of identification will international fans most likely pick, with no ties to the community in which the club is based, no inhereted preferences, almost no televisioned games before this decade, small media coverage in the country they live....and so on. Will they choose their team by a logo, or based on who played whom in the finals last year (or a decade ago)....or will they go with a team, for which their countrymen play, and whos matches actually get aired from time to time in their own country? Will they go with a team, who beleived in their player, the player who is most likely one of the "chosen few" in their country, the player that they themselfs probably had such high hopes...and so on.

What you lack is an awareness of any posts I have made on this board prior to 3-04-2008. I have been interacting with International Fans on this board for several years(alternatenly championing their causes or pissing them off). It's presumption on your part to think you can stroll in and be as inrormed of the backstory behind these conflicts as I, or have an adequate grasp of said conflict...and while that is a trait I have noticed in some American fans...it tends to be an extremely frequent occurence with Intrernational Fans.

While I appreciate your detailed and polite attempts to explain the obvious to me...I still consider it to be condescending that you think these obvious facts escape me...but I realize it is probably not intentional on your part so I'll just say...

Argentina can't pull that card, they have enough NBA players to where it's time to STFU and pick a team.

And yes i agree with you on the point that such fans cannot be called Spurs fans ( in this case) or Rockets fans ( in another), but this is the begginings of an "evolution of a fan", and this is how at the end of the process real, dedicated fans were, are, and will be formed. If you can't see that, then maybe your not the guy who should be making havoc for the value of a good disput.

I am well aware of that...and if you were half as clever as you think you are, you'd have realized the intent of my bet...

You'd also have probably realized that I was in fact being sarcastic about rooting for Satan over the Rockets...after all, hell doesn't have a basketball team.

So what should the base that DRAWS international fans into watching and following NBA be, and more importantly, how does their local network market that base?

I completely understand the idea of a person becoming a fan of the NBA based on an initial affection for a player, usually coming from their own country...

The Argies have 5 or 6 NBA players. And some of these guys have been here for a few years now...they don't get to use that excuse.

They need to STFU and pick their NBA team.

WE have a hard time respecting fans with this mindset or taking anything they say seriously......because they see everything through the prism of that one player, and they are fairweather fans of the team.

None of this is new to me...next year we will get an influx of Brazillians, and the cycle will begin anew...with even some Argies sounding like whottt when talking to the Brazillians.

And they'll be just as right as I am now...

After all, there's nothing more annoying than a fan that jacks off to the boxscore of one player, regardless of whether or not his team won. You can tolerate it for a while...but after a while, it's time for them to "get it".

Bruno

03-19-2008, 09:27 PM

:lmao

Grand ami the argies aren't a whole continent. You looked up the argies on the map?

urunobili is from Uruguay. :)

whottt

03-19-2008, 09:35 PM

"Luis estaba muy triste. Todos lo estamos. Es lo peor que le podía haber pasado. Queríamos que saliera en primera o nada. En segunda no nos sirve." (Mike Cound, el asistente de su agente estadoounidense)

http://old.ole.com.ar/diario/2002/06/27/d-408407.htm

"Luis was so sad. Everyone are. It's the worst thing it could have happened to him. We wanted him to be drafted in the first round or nothing. In second round, we don`t need it." (Mike Cound, his agent assistant)

Thank you kolko...

As you can see MMLH...I wasn't making it up, any of it.

And if anyone actually reads my evaluations of Scola...they'll find them pretty accurate...

And I wasn't 100% against signing Scola either...at any point...

But after a while he kept saying these insulting things, and while I can say he had a reason to say them...I don't like that he said them, and he kept doing it, every offseason...

To the point where I just said...get this fcking scrub out of here.

And I would not be surprised to find out he did force the trade...it would answer quite a few questions...

After all, the Spurs went from, according to Ploto, demanding 2 #1 picks for him...to dumping him as quickly as possible for whatever they could get.

I know Scola fans want to claim the Spurs were being stupid and didn't realize his value...but if that's the case, why were they demanding 2 #1 picks for him?

wildchild

03-19-2008, 09:39 PM

urunobili is from Uruguay. :)

différence? :lol

I'm kidding. Je ne suis pas difficile. :)

E20

03-19-2008, 09:39 PM

These Scola threads have blasted the WTF cares-status a while ago. This shit is getting ollllllllllldddddddddddddddddddd. I agree with Timvp's last sentence.

whottt

03-19-2008, 09:40 PM

timvp wasn't enough for whottt. He is now aguing with a whole continent.
Next step is whottt versus the world. :smokin

Once I was the champion of Argentina, when I defended Manu...now they want my emnity because I don't defend an ahole and throw my loyalty to our arch enemy.

It's like I've gone from being Evita to Videla overnight :depressed

ChumpDumper

03-19-2008, 09:41 PM

I know Scola fans want to claim the Spurs were being stupid and didn't realize his value...but if that's the case, why were they demanding 2 #1 picks for him?Is there any verification on this? Seems pretty sketchy considering the rule preventing teams from trading consecutive picks.

That and the utter preposterousness of the idea.

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

03-19-2008, 09:44 PM

These Scola threads have blasted the WTF cares-status a while ago. This shit is getting ollllllllllldddddddddddddddddddd. I agree with Timvp's last sentence.
Seriously, this thread devolved into another Scola one pretty fast. :lol

Cherry

03-19-2008, 09:53 PM

Once I was the champion of Argentina, when I defended Manu...now they want my emnity because I don't defend an ahole and throw my loyalty to our arch enemy.

It's like I've gone from being Evita to Videla overnight :depressed

I can understand you. Now, relax or take a cup of tea :(

We where talking about an article? oh :lol

diego

03-19-2008, 10:13 PM

Um...what if I think there is a good chance the Rockets will advance to the second round for reasons entirely unrelated to Scola?

No...that wasn't a good bet, because that bet is about the Rockets team performance and not Scola.

IF Scola was not on the Rockets, I still would not take that bet.

If Scola fans want to prove something by tying it into team success...then let's bet on if the Rockets will beat the Spurs.

I mean afterall...a player worth a seasons worth of bitching should be able to get his team past the Spurs....I mean the Rockets FO is so much smarter and well run than the Spurs.

Let's make the bet...you guys want ride Houston...then ride them. Get off the fence.

Everyone bitching about what a horrible trade this was...

Bet me that the Rockets will beat the Spurs should they meet in the playoffs.

1. Scola is an asshole. That is the prmary reason I don't like him.

2. I never said he was going to be the worst player in history. I said he wouldn't translate to the NBA as well as Manu.....he won't. Scola will never be anything close to the MVP candidate he was in Europe in the NBA, he will be a very average player that will wind up a backup PF.

IOW...all the people acting like this is a big deal are fools, blinded by a blue and white flag or plain old ignorance.

3. For all we know, Scola forced the trade.

FWIW...I thougth we'd get more for Scola than we got...you just have to convince me the Spurs had that opportunity. I don't think they did.

i went out to dinner after work so i got caught behind, but i'll take a minute to answer before going to bed...

if you think the rockets are getting past the 1st round, you are entitled to your opinion- i dont share it. ironically enough, i think this way for reasons you yourself have championed- they lack D, have lots of chokers, and are a "new" team. i would have taken the bet, and i'd take the one you propose in a heartbeat, and in fact i seem to recall both smeagol and manumaniac did take it- what bandwagoning argie homers we all are! i myself got into it with argspursfan before you, or the trade for that matter.

as far as your enumerated points, 1 is entirely opinion, 2 is exactly what my original point consisted of (that scola is a good backup pf for 3mill, not a mvp candidate and not on manu's level, though a better rebounder and scorer than you predicted), and 3 is speculation.

as for your closing statement, my position has always been that given the assets the spurs have and their position in the draft, scola was good enough of a gamble to just trade away for a 2nd round pick- how many times do you expect to draft an experienced professional player with a 2nd round pick?

anyhow now i'm pissed you are lumping me into the group that dramatized the trade and glorified scola. i never did either. i've always said the spurs made the trade looking at the future and it is premature to judge it from our end, and that scola is nothing more than a roleplayer- with two +/- factors being that here he'd have manu and oberto to guide him, but that pop and our aspirations would complicate his transition relative to houston.

with that said i think you've made as much of a big deal of all this as any scola homer has, which prompted me to address you, but now i will return to not commenting on the subject at all as it matters little to me- the only things i want as far as basketball is concerned is a spurs repeat and an argentina repeat in beijing.

Avitus1

03-19-2008, 10:24 PM

Only 15 games, they will right the ship. Thanks for the translation.

Spurs Dynasty 21

03-19-2008, 10:26 PM

calling out Duncan and Parker is seems

whottt

03-19-2008, 10:26 PM

i went out to dinner after work so i got caught behind, but i'll take a minute to answer before going to bed...

if you think the rockets are getting past the 1st round, you are entitled to your opinion- i dont share it. ironically enough, i think this way for reasons you yourself have championed- they lack D, have lots of chokers, and are a "new" team. i would have taken the bet, and i'd take the one you propose in a heartbeat, and in fact i seem to recall both smeagol and manumaniac did take it- what bandwagoning argie homers we all are! i myself got into it with argspursfan before you, or the trade for that matter.

Pretty much TMac by himself has the talent to get his team past the first round. He's choked in the past...and while Adelman is himself is a choker, he has a higher choke threshold than TMac and ought to get TMac out of the first round.

Incidentally....TMac is the major reason the streak went as long as it did...

Who's the only guy hungry enough to lead his team to win 22 games in a row? The guy who lead his team to 21 losses in a row.

as far as your enumerated points, 1 is entirely opinion, 2 is exactly what my original point consisted of (that scola is a good backup pf for 3mill, not a mvp candidate and not on manu's level, though a better rebounder and scorer than you predicted), and 3 is speculation.

as for your closing statement, my position has always been that given the assets the spurs have and their position in the draft, scola was good enough of a gamble to just trade away for a 2nd round pick- how many times do you expect to draft an experienced professional player with a 2nd round pick?

anyhow now i'm pissed you are lumping me into the group that dramatized the trade and glorified scola. i never did either. i've always said the spurs made the trade looking at the future and it is premature to judge it from our end, and that scola is nothing more than a roleplayer- with two +/- factors being that here he'd have manu and oberto to guide him, but that pop and our aspirations would complicate his transition relative to houston.

with that said i think you've made as much of a big deal of all this as any scola homer has, which prompted me to address you, but now i will return to not commenting on the subject at all as it matters little to me- the only things i want as far as basketball is concerned is a spurs repeat and an argentina repeat in beijing.

I haven't lumped you with anyone.....I know you aren't a newbie Argie fan. Not sure where you got that from.

InK

03-19-2008, 10:27 PM

What you lack is an awareness of any posts I have made on this board prior to 3-04-2008. I have been interacting with International Fans on this board for several years(alternatenly championing their causes or pissing them off). It's presumption on your part to think you can stroll in and be as inrormed of the backstory behind these conflicts as I, or have an adequate grasp of said conflict...and while that is a trait I have noticed in some American fans...it tends to be an extremely frequent occurence with Intrernational Fans.

I have been not posting on this board since 5 years before my awareness kicked in. So it appears you would be the one who is presumptious, and uninformed ( though admittingly, you had no good casue to beleive otherwise). So in this case (and to some degree) suprisingly, and almost unprecedented, an international fan refuses to contribute to your (well) documented statistics. :santahat

What i said was not based on your record, it only regarded the specific claim you made. A claim which presumably one could comment without reading through the entire opus of your posts.

"I completely understand the idea of a person becoming a fan of the NBA based on an initial affection for a player, usually coming from their own country..."
and yet

" You have to be an idiot to base your NBA fandom on National Rooting Interest. It cannot be done. The NBA has nothing to do with National Baketball...why don't you go try to swim in a car...it makes more sense..

I dont know if this is blatently obvious as well, but this two statements dont really seem to go together that well ( at least to me, registered user since 3-04-2008). Does this take time to learn as well? Cause it looks like the totally understandable idea turns out to be a completely impossible one, and all that in a space of 10 minutes or so.
Well if one understands their starts as a base, in a same sence that the first brick tends to be the base of the house. A base, which can in time evolve, and at the end hopefully transcend itself.

And contrary to you, i dont think that that process ended allready. And i see nothing wrong if people who are "starting to root" for the Spurs or are Spursfans even by your tough standards are happy that their other guys are doing well in the league.

After all, there's nothing more annoying than a fan that jacks off to the boxscore of one player, regardless of whether or not his team won. You can tolerate it for a while...but after a while, it's time for them to "get it".

Ye, i know what you mean.

urunobili

03-19-2008, 11:10 PM

différence? :lol

I'm kidding. Je ne suis pas difficile. :)
mais tu peux ferme ta bouche aussi... calling me an argentinean homer is an insult... i am a Spurs fan since 1995 then, i didnt know who Manu Ginobili was... the only Argie players i knew of then were Milanesio and Campana...

tp2021

03-19-2008, 11:20 PM

this is why Manu has been my favorite player in the league since the 2005 playoffs. the blood of a champion courses through his veins!

kuato

03-19-2008, 11:23 PM

mais tu peux ferme ta bouche aussi... calling me an argentinean homer is an insult... i am a Spurs fan since 1995 then, i didnt know who Manu Ginobili was... the only Argie players i knew of then were Milanesio and Campana... And you need to mention that you are from Uruguay, not from Argentina (aunque somos tan parecidos que hasta nosotros no podemos diferenciarnos a veces ), the "homer" and argie words are despective words, dont spect correct behaviour and respect from every user on the forums. :depressed

urunobili

03-19-2008, 11:30 PM

And you need to mention that you are from Uruguay, not from Argentinalet some of the guys learn some geography... Bruno was teaching some earlier... i got asked one time in Alaska in which state Uruguay is...
:music

Brutalis

03-19-2008, 11:38 PM

whottt

03-19-2008, 11:58 PM

Is there any verification on this?

Not that I've seen...but I genuinely do think the Spurs wanted more for Scola than they got. And I don't think it was possible for them to get more at the time they traded him.

#1. Teams were a little hesitant about getting burned.
#2. It wasn't exactly Top Secret info that the Spurs and Scola might have some issues and that Scola could walk on them.

Seems pretty sketchy considering the rule preventing teams from trading consecutive picks.

That and the utter preposterousness of the idea.

I don't know...we gave up Malik Rose and 2#1 picks for Nazr. I know part of that was Malik's contract, but two #1's is still a steep price for Nazr. Depends on how late those picks were as well.

I figured the Spurs could at least get Nocioni...Bulls were stupid to turn down Scola if they had a shot at him, and Paxon should get fired for doing it. I just don't think the great offers were around at that point..and I think it's even possible they had to trade him when they did and couldn't hold to him to up his value as many have suggested.

I just don"t think Pop and RC were sitting there saying...screw us, let's help the Rockets, like everyone else seems to think. And I bet they are as surprised they couldn't get more for a Euroleague MVP as the Scola fans are.

Typhoon

03-20-2008, 12:03 AM

Whott shut the fuck up...this is not a Scola thread puto.

Typhoon

03-20-2008, 12:06 AM

whottt

03-20-2008, 12:13 AM

Have any of the non-Argie fans (regulars), defended the acquisition of Scola when those news snippets were released that showed what kind of character Scola had been (the comments, etc.), or were they not as bothered by those comments? I wasn't around the forum at the time.

The attitude was it was a stupid thing to say, but he was a good enough player to let it slide...the problem was that he would go on to say similar stupi things for the rest of his time as a Spurs prospect...after a while you have to conclude that this guy says stupid things, and he's really not worth all the trouble.

Seems like you have valid reasons to dislike the guy, in comparison to the other two we got--Oberto, Manu who seem to be pretty mature in their comments,

Dude...what he said the night he was drafted...it's like inviting someone into your home for dinner and them complaining that the food isn't good. Very offensive...even if you understand his reasons for saying it. And I'm not certain that he didn't hold that against the Spurs either.

As for Manu....I think Oberto is the one Manu looks up too...he and Oberto seem a lot alike, and Oberto is a couple years older...

Matter of fact...the reason Manu doesn't mind going to the bench is probably something he learned from Oberto.

you're doing a lot of extrapolating, though. I thought he had a pretty good interview earlier in this season that seemed to reflect the other Argie-team..but whatever those comments you mentioned about the draft seem to show his possible immaturity/ the mark of an ingrate.

Mark of a bonehead...he took stuff out on the Spurs for drafting him...they drafted him and he was insulted by it...and he in turn insulted them.

whottt

03-20-2008, 12:15 AM

Whott shut the fuck up...this is not a Scola thread

Blame the instigator known as smeagollllll

puto.

puto? It's come to this? puto?

I can't believe you just called me a puto. I don't think I've ever been called a puto before in my life, how dare you call me a puto.

Deimosfobos

03-20-2008, 12:21 AM

puto? It's come to this? puto?

I can't believe you just called me a puto. I don't think I've ever been called a puto before in my life, how dare you call me a puto.

Don't worry, you'll get used to it really fast :D

urunobili

03-20-2008, 12:25 AM

Blame the instigator known as smeagollllll

puto? It's come to this? puto?

I can't believe you just called me a puto. I don't think I've ever been called a puto before in my life, how dare you call me a puto.
puto could be used in a friendly way and it is better than "la concha de tu madre" lol

Typhoon

03-20-2008, 12:32 AM

I can't believe you just called me a puto. I don't think I've ever been called a puto before in my life, how dare you call me a puto.

I don't believe you, they are so many Argentinean humanoids that hate you because of their Scola love and they never called you that, I’m shocked to say the least.

Anyways fuck Scola, he looks like a retarded rat and doesn't play for the Spurs, so please stop bringing his name to the Spurs forums like I just did.

Fizzzar

03-20-2008, 12:33 AM

I know you weren't here then...that was before Manu was even on the team. There was only one Argie here then...and his name was Fizzzar.

I'm still here everyday, I just got tired of posting and became a lurker. :wakeup

ChumpDumper

03-20-2008, 12:35 AM

Anyways fuck Scola, he looks like a retarded rat and doesn't play for the Spurs, so please stop bringing his name to the Spurs forums like I just did.
:toast

Trainwreck2100

03-20-2008, 12:35 AM

He should have practiced his 3 pointer instead of writing articles.

whottt

03-20-2008, 12:48 AM

I'm still here everyday, I just got tired of posting and became a lurker. :wakeup

^^^^Ladies and gents, The Argentine whose Spurfan credentials are unquestionable. Long time no see Fizzzar, and good to see you are still around :tu

Holt's Cat

03-20-2008, 12:49 AM

Fuck all you putos.

kuato

03-20-2008, 12:53 AM

puto could be used in a friendly way and it is better than "la concha de tu madre" lol -------> This is good material for a new thread "The official Latino insults thread" :P, (la concha de tu madre es bien rioplatense :P)

Fizzzar

03-20-2008, 12:58 AM

^^^^Ladies and gents, The Argentine whose Spurfan credentials are unquestionable. Long time no see Fizzzar, and good to see you are still around :tu

I don't share your hate for Scola... I want him to get to the conference finals, just in time to be swept by the Spurs :devil

Don't be so hard on the guy, he was just frustrated cause his dream was to play in the nba and he was being fvcked by his agent, his ballclub (TAU) and the Spurs were asking him to get better on aspects of his game where he was very good at. Anyone would have reacted that way, it's human nature.

P.S.: Let it die, I'm more pissed than almost everyone here but even I have put it behind.

whottt

03-20-2008, 03:05 AM

I don't share your hate for Scola... I want him to get to the conference finals, just in time to be swept by the Spurs :devil

Don't be so hard on the guy, he was just frustrated cause his dream was to play in the nba and he was being fvcked by his agent, his ballclub (TAU) and the Spurs were asking him to get better on aspects of his game where he was very good at. Anyone would have reacted that way, it's human nature.

P.S.: Let it die, I'm more pissed than almost everyone here but even I have put it behind.

*removes Argentine knife from back* Just kidding. :)

Seriously, I know you don't share my opinion, actually I don't think many Argies do...but you have credibility because you were around when all this stuff going on and the stuff was being posted on the forum.

In fact you probably posted some of the stuff(like the interview with Scola when he was drafted) before SpursTalk/FSP was even around. I'm pretty sure it was you.

MannyIsGod

03-20-2008, 03:24 AM

Manu didn't say people are ok with losing, he said they didn't take it as hard as he did. There is a difference there and its important.

MaNuMaNiAc

03-20-2008, 06:31 AM

^^^^Ladies and gents, The Argentine whose Spurfan credentials are unquestionable. Long time no see Fizzzar, and good to see you are still around :tuYes, because being a Spurstalk member is the be all, end all when it comes to Spurs fan credentials huh? Give me a break Whottt! Who are you to validate anyone's credentials??

ArgSpursFan.

03-20-2008, 06:31 AM

[QUOTE=Typhoon]I don't believe you, they are so many Argentinean humanoids......... [QUOTE]

..............and there are so many US Homeroids.

WalterBenitez

03-20-2008, 06:34 AM

Once I was the champion of Argentina, when I defended Manu...now they want my emnity because I don't defend an ahole and throw my loyalty to our arch enemy.

It's like I've gone from being Evita to Videla overnight :depressed

:dramaquee oh... drama

"The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers" book writen by Paul Kennedy could help you, also Hollywood have many good inspirational examples.

Are you showing the white flag? :D

ArgSpursFan.

03-20-2008, 06:41 AM

I like my bet better...

Rockets have the #1 seed. They have the mighty Scola. According to you, this was a horrible trade which hurt the Spurs.

So therefore...you should have no problems picking the Rockets to beat the Spurs should they meet in the post season.

I mean...if it doesn't make the Rockets better than the Spurs, then it didn't hurt them. Add in the fact that is was probably the best deal they could get...

IF both teams are about as healthy as they are now...

If you stand with Scola, and this trade was as big of a deal as you have made of it you should have no problems picking the Rockets over the Spurs.

They have better record than the Spurs. And they are 2-1 against the Spurs this season. And the Spurs are struggling as we speak.

Eveyrthing is in your favor.

Stand with Scola...stand with your NBA team.

Stand with him now as you do everytime the Spurs lose and the Rockets win.

That is the only bet I will take with you.

that wont be a fair bet coze Yao is out.
Eventhough I know the Spurs are a better team tham the rockets are still with Yao,the Spurs also have been playing together for 6 yrs now(tp,td,manu and bruce)
But at the sametime,I know for a fact the the rockets are a better team with Scola tham without him, and the spurs could've had him.
Now,if the spurs don't reapet coze of lack of help in the paint,them this trade will comedown as the worst trade in Spurs History.

I'll do this: I bet you Scola will average 17/8 in stead of 15/8.
Deal now?

whottt

03-20-2008, 06:52 AM

Yes, because being a Spurstalk member is the be all, end all when it comes to Spurs fan credentials huh? Give me a break Whottt! Who are you to validate anyone's credentials??

You are peculiar. I fail to see what I said that was so offensive...nor am I inclined to spend a lot of time analyzing it.

Fizzar was the original Argie Poster on Spurs boards to the best of my knowledge...it's not about Spurs Talk...he was around before Spurs Talk. I think that's noteworthy...

whottt

03-20-2008, 07:06 AM

that wont be a fair bet coze Yao is out.
Eventhough I know the Spurs are a better team tham the rockets are still with Yao,the Spurs also have been playing together for 6 yrs now(tp,td,manu and bruce)
But at the sametime,I know for a fact the the rockets are a better team with Scola tham without him,

BFD...I never said they'd be a worse team with him.

Most trades do make teams better...since Scola had never played for the Spurs, I'd say getting cap relief and a draft pick made them better.

and the spurs could've had him.

The Spurs did have him...

And like I said earlier...Pop and RC weren't sitting around saying, fuck the Spurs, let's help the Rockets.

But basically...saying Scola didn't make the Rockets worse is miles away from hyping him...lots of players could have made the Rockets better.

Now,if the spurs don't reapet coze of lack of help in the paint,them this trade will comedown as the worst trade in Spurs History.

Dude...if you are talking about offense...not for one second has an additional paint scorer ever been a concern for the Spurs or a reason they lose in the post season, in the Duncan era.

It's not a problem...they have this guy named Duncan, he draws double and triple teams...anyone can score alongside him.

Not for one second has that ever been a priority of the Spurs, something they sought, something they tried to aquire...or something they needed to win a championship.

They need rebounding and shotblocking...Oberto rebounds at a better rate than Scola...and neither one of them can block shots worth a flip.

I'll do this: I bet you Scola will average 17/8 in stead of 15/8.
Deal now?

And what would that prove? Over a limted sample size anyone can score like that...

What happens if they lose in the first round again? Will he have made them better?

You know Dikembe Mutombo? He averaged over 20 points a game his first 10-15 games in the NBA...and he's got next to no offensive skill.

I want the Spurs Rockets bet...Yao went down and the Rockets kept on winning...because they had Scola remember?

Spurs FO are idiots, they gave the Rockets Scola remember?

Scola is great, remember?

Ride with Scola...don't desert him now that the 22 game streak is over.

For it to have been a stupid trade, the Rockets must now be better than the Spurs...they must have given the Rockets to the player with which to surpass them, or at least put them over the hump...to be better than the Spurs, to win an NBA championship...

If neither of those things happened and it was the best trade the Spurs could get at that time...then it wasn't a bad trade. It most definitely was a good trade.

If you don't think that...then you have been bitching about nothing this entire season..and my point is proved.

MaNuMaNiAc

03-20-2008, 07:25 AM

You are peculiar. I fail to see what I said that was so offensive...nor am I inclined to spend a lot of time analyzing it.

Fizzar was the original Argie Poster on Spurs boards to the best of my knowledge...it's not about Spurs Talk...he was around before Spurs Talk. I think that's noteworthy...It is noteworthy, but not when you're implying that THAT makes him the ONLY Argie with unquestioned Spurs fan credentials. When you say "The Argentine", the word "THE" implies he's the only one. I'm fairly certain you knew that, and I'm quite convinced you did it on purpose, so cut the bull Whottt.

timvp

03-20-2008, 07:42 AM

Always good to have a Fizzzar sighting.

:tu

whottt

03-20-2008, 07:50 AM

It is noteworthy, but not when you're implying that THAT makes him the ONLY Argie with unquestioned Spurs fan credentials.

Ehhhh...I didn't really mean he was the only, but I can see wh you took it that way.

I wasn't intending to imply that he's the only Argie Spurfan that wouldn't jump to the Rockets or something...only that he's the one I know for certain was a Spurfan and posting on Spurs boards(all of them)before Manu was actually playing for the Spurs...and he is....unquestionably.

When you say "The Argentine", the word "THE" implies he's the only one. I'm fairly certain you knew that, and I'm quite convinced you did it on purpose, so cut the bull Whottt.

I didn't do anything on purpose...if I do it's pretty obvious...In this case I was just trying to give the original Argie poster to post on a Spurs basketball forum that I know of...credit for being the first, in front of his countrymen in this thread.

Plus it was kind of cool to see he's still around...he first went into lurk mode a looooooooooong time ago.

And he has 3 consecutive Z's in his name....

ArgSpursFan.

03-20-2008, 09:09 AM

I want the Spurs Rockets bet...Yao went down and the Rockets kept on winning...because they had Scola remember?

Spurs FO are idiots, they gave the Rockets Scola remember?

Scola is great, remember?

Ride with Scola...don't desert him now that the 22 game streak is over.

.

Deal.

I'll bet against the Spurs just to beat your sorry ass wottt.
But,If the Rockets win,I get to choose whatever I want.
That means:Your gonna have to give up your usermane(wottt) to Scola's bitch.
Deal now pussy?

BTW,I'm gonna need the mods to be witnesses on this bet,so wottt really changes his username if I win.

ArgSpursFan.

03-20-2008, 09:32 AM

WOTTT I don't share your hate for Scola... I want him to get to the conference finals,
your not alone there.

Don't be so hard on the guy, he was just frustrated cause his dream was to play in the nba and he was being fvcked by his agent, his ballclub (TAU) and the Spurs were asking him to get better on aspects of his game where he was very good at. Anyone would have reacted that way, it's human nature.
wottt actually thinks that Scola should've paid his buyout by him self when It was about $9M back in 2005
And something that People don't understand was that The deal Scola and the spurs had was to try to draft him in the 1st round so Scola didn't have to pay no buyout
there was a contract clause in Scola's contract that said that IF Scola got drafted in the 1st round TAU would not ask for a buyout, but if it was the 2nd round whoever drafted Scola would have to pay the buyout full,or Scola would have to do it.
The spurs didn't respect the agreement and went ahead and drafted Scola in the 2nd round.

urunobili

03-20-2008, 09:44 AM

there was a contract clause in Scola's contract that said that IF Scola got drafted in the 1st round TAU would not ask for a buyout, but if it was the 2nd round whoever drafted Scola would have to pay the buyout full,or Scola would have to do it.
The spurs didn't respect the agreement and went ahead and drafted Scola in the 2nd round.then this makes perfect sense with his attitude towards the FO etc... i don't like the way both parties handled it.. but now in my mind at least makes sense... i never understood why Luis would be so harsh at all...

Manu-of-steel

03-20-2008, 10:06 AM

manu has a warrior's attitude, just like all other spurs player. Got to love players who hate losing! manu just looks at every game as nothing but a must-win. go spurs go!

Taco

03-20-2008, 10:23 AM

10 games in 15 days... don't rememeber anything like that in my NBA career... mostly of them on the road"

THE GUYS ARE JUST TIRED

THEY'LL BE FINE

YOU DON'T PLAY 10 GAMES IN 15 DAYS IN THE PLAYOFFS

MaNuMaNiAc

03-20-2008, 10:43 AM

Deal.

I'll bet against the Spurs just to beat your sorry ass wottt.
But,If the Rockets win,I get to choose whatever I want.
That means:Your gonna have to give up your usermane(wottt) to Scola's bitch.
Deal now pussy?

BTW,I'm gonna need the mods to be witnesses on this bet,so wottt really changes his username if I win.
Just remember our bet :devil

ArgSpursFan.

03-20-2008, 11:02 AM

Just remember our bet :devil

o course I do,you actually took it when I was beting the Rockets were gonna go past the FIRST round.
That was a steal for me.
Like I said before,start saying goodbye to that Manu pic you have in your avatar. :fro

MaNuMaNiAc

03-20-2008, 12:27 PM

o course I do,you actually took it when I was beting the Rockets were gonna go past the FIRST round.
That was a steal for me.
Like I said before,start saying goodbye to that Manu pic you have in your avatar. :fro
Bullshit and you know it bitch :lol trying to change the bet already are we?? The bet was that the Rockets wouldn't make it past the second round jackass. You'll lose

MaNuMaNiAc

03-20-2008, 12:30 PM

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88942&page=1&pp=26

I tell you what,I'll go farther now asshole

If the Rockets get past the 2nd round you're gonna have to put on your avatar :I'm Argspursfan´s Bitch.

Is that a bet too,pussy?

If they don't do it,I leave the forum,for good.
My response

Scratch that! I don't need you to leave the forum (specially since I know you're one dishonest piece of shit that will probably come back under another ip and username). Instead, If the Rockets don't make it past the second round, I get to pick your avatar, the title and your sig. If they do, you can write whatever the fuck you want under my avatar 'cause that shit ain't happening.
Read it and weep bitch

nkdlunch

03-20-2008, 12:42 PM

there is no way in hell Houston is getting out of the 2nd round. shit they probably won't pass 1st round.

urunobili

03-20-2008, 01:17 PM

there is no way in hell Houston is getting out of the 2nd round. shit they probably won't pass 1st round.
they may not make the playoffs either... :nope

ArgSpursFan.

03-20-2008, 02:08 PM

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88942&page=1&pp=26

My response

Read it and weep bitch

No problem,let's do the 2nd round bet
But If I win you're gonna have to change your username to Argspursfan_Owns_me
deal?

MaNuMaNiAc

03-20-2008, 02:11 PM

No problem,let's do the 2nd round bet
But If I win you're gonna have to change your username to Argspursfan_Owns_me
deal?that was the bet, yes

ArgSpursFan.

03-20-2008, 02:17 PM

that was the bet, yes

It's gonna tough to watch scola do good in the playoffs,and at the same time lose a bet with me,don't it Maniac?

Los Spurs

03-20-2008, 02:20 PM

Can't believe this thread is at 9 pages

ArgSpursFan.

03-20-2008, 02:23 PM

Can't believe this thread is at 9 pages

Anything that involves Scola actually has the same kind of interest.
why do you think it got so long?

Los Spurs

03-20-2008, 02:24 PM

Anything that involves Scola actually has the same kind of interest.
why do you think it got so long?

It's funny how it went from Manu not being able to sleep to Scola. :lol

ArgSpursFan.

03-20-2008, 02:26 PM

It's funny how it went from Manu not being able to sleep to Scola. :lol

I know,I dont really know.

MaNuMaNiAc

03-20-2008, 02:35 PM

It's gonna tough to watch scola do good in the playoffs,and at the same time lose a bet with me,don't it Maniac?Don't get me wrong, I like Scola. My bet doesn't have anything to do with him though. As much as I like Scola, I'm very much convinced the Rockets aren't going to get past the second round. Not without Yao. So to answer your question, no, its not going to be as tough as you think. In fact, I've already began brainstorming about what your new look is going to be. If its any consolation, I intend to reconcile your look with your personality... you figure out what that means :devil

ArgSpursFan.

03-20-2008, 02:50 PM

Don't get me wrong, I like Scola. My bet doesn't have anything to do with him though. As much as I like Scola, I'm very much convinced the Rockets aren't going to get past the second round. Not without Yao. So to answer your question, no, its not going to be as tough as you think. In fact, I've already began brainstorming about what your new look is going to be. If its any consolation, I intend to reconcile your look with your personality... you figure out what that means :devil

well,If I had to do that with you,I would have to actually make you desapear from this forum,coze you don't even exist.
But I'm not that kind of guy,don't worry.You'll still post in the forum.
Just get used to the ArgSpursFan_Owns_Me username.

urunobili

03-20-2008, 03:29 PM

It's funny how it went from Manu not being able to sleep to Scola. :lol
well... Manu dedicated a full (and the longest) paragraph on his article about him... so that's enough to start it... :clap

whottt

03-20-2008, 07:02 PM

So wait...you are taking that bet instead? Because you can't bet your sig, avatar and title twice.

It's ok by me if you want the other bet...just the fact that you were willing to genuinely root against the Spurs for Scola proves my point.

You really should change your name to ArgScolaFan....because you really aren't a Spur Fan...

Good Luck Manumaniac :tu

smeagol

03-20-2008, 07:44 PM

I guess I'm to blame for much of whottt has happened on this thread . . .

whottt, you know I like you man!

You are one of the funniest posters when you get all worked up.

By the way, I was also on this board before ST, but I'm obviously not as "old" as fizzzar.

whottt

03-20-2008, 08:27 PM

,
your not alone there.

wottt actually thinks that Scola should've paid his buyout by him self when It was about $9M back in 2005

False...I think he should have STFU about it and kept it between he and the Spurs. Ditto any he trade demands he might have or feelings about where he was drafted.

Spurs are the Spurs because they don't often say stupid things in the media that can create friction and controversy or cause distractions. They keep it in house. And IMO, considering the fact that these "misunderstandings" happened 4 or 5 times with Scola, and no one else, including Manu, Oberto and virtually every other player to play for the Spurs in the past 12 years, Scola is one of the types that will do that.

More trouble than he was worth...

And something that People don't understand was that The deal Scola and the spurs had was to try to draft him in the 1st round so Scola didn't have to pay no buyout
there was a contract clause in Scola's contract that said that IF Scola got drafted in the 1st round TAU would not ask for a buyout, but if it was the 2nd round whoever drafted Scola would have to pay the buyout full,or Scola would have to do it.
The spurs didn't respect the agreement and went ahead and drafted Scola in the 2nd round.

#1. The Spurs didn't know the exact details between Scola and Tau, clubs don't usually make that type of specific information public.

#2. He was automatically entered into the NBA draft because of his age. It was mandatory.

#3. Doesn't matter, he's in the draft, he has to take getting drafted like everyone else. You think it doesn't happen to other players that they get drafted to teams they don't want to play for, or drafted later than they wanted to be drafted? OR they could get a bigger deal if they weren't drafted? Same rules apply to all..not just Scola.

Do you see them saying that sort of stuff? "It'd be better if I hadn't been drafted".

If Team Argentina drafted a US Soccer player and he said something like that...wouldn't you be offended?

You'd say fuck him...right?

What he said was stupid, and indicative of the type of player that drags the media into stuff....1st time it was no bigdeal, but after the 4th or 5th time that sort of thing happened...it was time for the Spurs and Scola to part ways.

Doesn't matter if there is a reason behind what he says...just the fact that confusion keeps being created...it's just shit the Spurs don't need.

Scola can go play for a well run, successful and harmonious team like the Houston Rockets, and the Spurs will keep cluelessly fumbling their way to NBA titles. :tu

And Scola is just another Rasho or Nazr...at best.

But you are right, the Spurs drafted Scola just to make his life miserable and help the Houston Rockets...I mean, they do that sort of thing all the time.

whottt

03-20-2008, 08:32 PM

smeagol

03-20-2008, 08:55 PM

puto

Not me.

kuato

03-20-2008, 09:24 PM

And Scola is just another Rasho or Nazr...at best.

What are you drinking puto ??? :p: , excuse me if I'm wrong but ... i never saw Rasho o Nazr as Rookie of the month, did i miss something ?

ArgSpursFan.

03-21-2008, 07:33 AM

So wait...you are taking that bet instead? Because you can't bet your sig, avatar and title twice.

It's ok by me if you want the other bet...just the fact that you were willing to genuinely root against the Spurs for Scola proves my point.

you're such a pussy wottt.

Don't worry, you don't have to be ambarrased again by beting or predicting against Scola.
You alrealy had enough with the stupidity that came out of your mouth in the offseason.
I just bet with people with some balls,and you're not in that category wottt.

whottt

03-21-2008, 07:54 AM

you're such a pussy wottt.

Don't worry, you don't have to be ambarrased again by beting or predicting against Scola.
You alrealy had enough with the stupidity that came out of your mouth in the offseason.
I just bet with people with some balls,and you're not in that category wottt.

Um...moron, how the hell can you have two bets for sig/title/av etc? With both me and manumaniac? And you took the bet with manumaniac after mine...

Are you too stupid to realize you can only bet with one of us?

ArgSpursFan.

03-21-2008, 09:58 AM

Um...moron, how the hell can you have two bets for sig/title/av etc? With both me and manumaniac? And you took the bet with manumaniac after mine...

Are you too stupid to realize you can only bet with one of us?

I got enough balls to bet both of you.
Didn't you realize I'll beat you both anyways?

here's why:If I beat ManuManiac,the Roxs will advance in the playoffs and will have at least 50% chances to face the spurs.
So,once I beat Maniac,It will be your turn to bite the dust.
So ,are you in or what?pussy cat.

whottt

03-21-2008, 10:14 AM

I got enough balls to bet both of you.
Didn't you realize I'll beat you both anyways?

here's why:If I beat ManuManiac,the Roxs will advance in the playoffs and will have at least 50% chances to face the spurs.
So,once I beat Maniac,It will be your turn to bite the dust.
So ,are you in or what?pussy cat.

Dumbass...what if the Rockets lose in the first round?

Don't make stupid bets that you can't keep your end of the bet. You will be the one who fails to fufill his end of the bet, not us.

If you lose to manumaniac...you won't be able to keep your bet with me.

IF the Spurs meet the Rockets in the first round and lose, which they would if hte playoffs began today, you will have lost to both of us...when you can't pay both of us.

Douche.

Just take your bet with him...it's better if another Argie puts your dumbass in it's place...

Like I said...I already proved my point becuase you bet against the Spurs and on the Rockets just because you are on Scola's jock....

Arg
Scola
Fan

Point proven.