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Mr.Bottomtooth
03-19-2008, 02:31 PM
More instant replay under review
NBA looking at expanding use in late-game situations
Wednesday March 19, 2008 12:19PM

The NBA will consider an expansion of instant replay that could take effect as early as next season, SI.com has learned. The new application appears to have the blessing of coaches as well as the league office, which will present the concept to its competition committee in June.

Wary of creating regulations that could interrupt the flow of play, the league is examining a limited use of replay that would enable officials to instantly convert a three-point shot into a two-pointer, or vice versa.

"The one area that we're exploring is the three-vs.-two shot call near the end of a game,'' said Stu Jackson, the executive VP of basketball operations for the NBA.

The league currently permits video replay to be used after a game-ending play to help determine whether a shooter's foot was behind the three-point line.

"We're talking about expanding it for some period at the end of the game when there's a natural break in the action, vis-a-vis a timeout or something along those lines,'' Jackson said. "Where a coach could make a challenge, and/or a referee could conduct a review.''

The competition committee considered a similar three-vs.-two replay rule in 2005. "It didn't get a lot of support then,'' said Jackson, who added that the league is taking a second look at this use of replay at the urging of its coaches.

The coaches' rules committee has made a formal recommendation that each team receive one instant-replay challenge to be used in the last two minutes of regulation or overtime. If the challenge of the three-vs.-two call was successful, then the challenging team would retain the right to challenge another play. But if the original call was upheld, then the challenging team would lose either a full timeout or -- if all those timeouts had been spent -- a 20-second timeout. A team without timeouts could not issue a challenge.

Jackson said the league has yet to decide whether it will recommend a challenge system, or simply depend on the referees to decide whether a play should be reviewed.

"As to whether or not it may be possible [to install the rule next season], at this point I don't know,'' Jackson said. "But we are gathering some data and are starting to talk about it internally.''

After investing years of rules changes to speed up the tempo of play, the league doesn't want games to be slowed by complicated video reviews. Jackson believes challenges should be restricted to dead-ball situations, as would be the case on most three-vs.-two plays. He also acknowledges that a limited application of replay in the final seconds of a tight game might create suspense among fans as the officials attempt to make the proper call.

"As a whole, the coaches are very strong on the idea of some type of replay provision for late-game situations,'' said former Pacers coach Rick Carlisle, who is president of the NBA coaches' association. "If there's an opportunity to correct a potentially game-changing or series-changing call that may have been missed, that's something everyone would be in favor of.''

One issue will be the timing of the challenge. The league doesn't want to see a crucial fast break nullified by a challenge issued by the opposing coach. The rule would also cause delays if it forced officials to restore time to the game clock. More trouble would result if the challenge was issued after several possessions, which would muck up the strategy of the game if the scoreboard was changed long after the fact.

While this limited use of replay wouldn't resolve all of the potential mistakes on a three-vs.-two play, the league is interested in pursuing the change before a major error is made in the postseason.

"It really behooves us to be proactive on something like this,'' Jackson said. "If we do have the unfortunate event of having a key three-vs.-two question that's crucial in a playoff game, then we'll be right where we are today -- trying to find a way to account for a key shot at the end of a key game.''

For the most part, use of replay is currently restricted to the last play of each quarter, when referees can review video to determine if a player was out of bounds, or whether a shot was released or a foul was committed before the buzzer. They can also consult replays during the game to decide flagrant 2 fouls or potential ejections.

Jackson credited the coaches with forwarding other rules suggestions, though he said the NBA doesn't plan to act on them this season. The coaches proposed using replay to review a last-minutes call of goaltending or offensive basket interference, but Jackson points out that replays are often vague on deciding those plays. They also suggested that the the backboard be lit to signal 24-second violations, much as it is lit at the end of each quarter. Different colored lights would distinguish the 24-second violation from the final buzzer.

"Right now, we don't have the capability to do that,'' Jackson said. "Technically, the 24-second clock is not hooked up to the game clock. We've got different scoreboard systems in the arenas, and that needs further investigation. We wouldn't be able to look at it now.''

The coaches also suggested video reviews of out-of-bounds rulings at the end of the game, with the challenge to be applied on dead-ball situations only.

"Replay at the end of quarters has been effective because it enhances accuracy without disrupting the flow of the game,'' Carlisle said. "While in theory it might seem like you could use replay to review just about any kind of play, that would not be the case. An end-of-game replay provision would probably have to be limited to boundary-line situations, three-point line calls and possibly 24-second violation situations.''

Jackson sounded optimistic about enhancing replay to account for three-point shots next season. "It depends if we can come up with a system that we think works,'' he said. "If we can, I'm sure that would resonate with people.''

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/03/19/instant.replay/index.html

Mr.Bottomtooth
03-19-2008, 02:39 PM
I'm lovin it. :tu

T Park
03-19-2008, 02:39 PM
Sounds good to me.

Budkin
03-19-2008, 02:43 PM
About freaking time. :clap

ancestron
03-19-2008, 02:44 PM
No!!! Slippery slope!!!

WalterBenitez
03-19-2008, 02:47 PM
.4 consequences :D ?

nkdlunch
03-19-2008, 02:48 PM
if flops are reviewed we are in a world of trouble

urunobili
03-19-2008, 02:49 PM
what about non called fouls on the last 2 min? the refs swallow their whistles then...

honestfool84
03-19-2008, 02:49 PM
the review-challenge-lose timeout-deal seems kinda right out of nfl's playbook.
but this sure would help in a lot of situations..
.4.. ahem.
-David

nkdlunch
03-19-2008, 02:51 PM
yeah, I don't like this that much.

let's say Spurs make a 3pt at the buzzer to win the game by 1pt.

after a review, refs decide there was a ticky foul on Bowen. see what Im getting to?

T Park
03-19-2008, 02:55 PM
Uh, did they say they review fouls?

No.

Just a 3 vs a 2.

God people get a grip.

urunobili
03-19-2008, 03:08 PM
Uh, did they say they review fouls?

No.

Just a 3 vs a 2.

God people get a grip.
wtf? you're having a bad day today? we never said they said that... we were just saying that they SHOULD consider that... damn man get some coffee or something... :wakeup

ancestron
03-19-2008, 03:09 PM
They arent talking about reviewing fouls yet.
It all starts with "oh lets just use it at the end of games for 3's vs. 2's" then MarK Cuban will pipe up "hey if they are using replay for 3's vs. 2's why not use it for other clearly obvious wrong calls!!" then others join in the rallying cry for more instant replay and then the league considers it and before you know it, its just a big mess.
Outside of determining a buzzer-beater, there should be no replay in the NBA. Bad officiating is just a part of the game all fans have to live with from time to time.
imo.

T Park
03-19-2008, 03:10 PM
wtf? you're having a bad day today? we never said they said that... we were just saying that they SHOULD consider that... damn man get some coffee or something... :wakeup


Now you WANT them to consider it?

nkdlunch
03-19-2008, 03:10 PM
EXACTLY my point! they always start somewhere but
do you really think they will stop there?

T Park
03-19-2008, 03:12 PM
They arent talking about reviewing fouls yet.
It all starts with "oh lets just use it at the end of games for 3's vs. 2's" then MarK Cuban will pipe up "hey if they are using replay for 3's vs. 2's why not use it for other clearly obvious wrong calls!!" then others join in the rallying cry for more instant replay and then the league considers it and before you know it, its just a big mess.
Outside of determining a buzzer-beater, there should be no replay in the NBA. Bad officiating is just a part of the game all fans have to live with from time to time.
imo.

Get used to it, determining a 3 vs a 2 is just as important as determining a TD vs a 4th and 1.

Fans should NOT have to be penalized cause NBA officiating is the worst in sports. The Calls should be done right.

Also take the tin foul hats off, they will NEVER EVER review fouls or anything of that ilk, the refs union wouldn't allow this.

All this will do is review whether the game is over or it goes to overtime or whatever.

Thats it thats all.

urunobili
03-19-2008, 03:12 PM
EXACTLY my point! they always start somewhere but
do you really think they will stop there?
i would be very pleased with them reviewing bad calls on fouls at the end of games... we've lost LOTS of games because of this... hack on Duncan not called on WCSF 06 just to name one that really hurt

T Park
03-19-2008, 03:12 PM
EXACTLY my point! they always start somewhere but
do you really think they will stop there?

Once again, paranoia doesn't look good on you.

nkdlunch
03-19-2008, 03:13 PM
i would be very pleased with them reviewing bad calls on fouls at the end of games... we've lost LOTS of games because of this... hack on Duncan not called on WCSF 06 just to name one that really hurt

yeah, but we also won games when maybe a foul should have been called. right?

T Park
03-19-2008, 03:13 PM
i would be very pleased with them reviewing bad calls on fouls at the end of games... we've lost LOTS of games because of this... hack on Duncan not called on WCSF 06 just to name one that really hurt

Fouls should never ever be reviewed.

Whether a shot is good, OR its a 3 or a 2 is about the extent of that. Also maybe whether a player went over and back or stepped out of bounds. Other than that, thats it.

Tek_XX
03-19-2008, 03:21 PM
Why even bother, the 3 vs. a 2 is at the bottom of the list of ref fuckups

MavTalker
03-19-2008, 03:21 PM
Fouls should never ever be reviewed.

Then you say this?


Whether a shot is good, OR its a 3 or a 2 is about the extent of that. Also maybe whether a player went over and back or stepped out of bounds. Other than that, thats it.

:lmao



Maybe now with the replay the NBA can see how Dirty Bruce really is.

T Park
03-19-2008, 03:23 PM
How does that have anything to do with fouls?

nkdlunch
03-19-2008, 03:25 PM
Why even bother, the 3 vs. a 2 is at the bottom of the list of ref fuckups

bingo

this is just a start of something bigger. but then again, what do I know, I am paranoid :smokin

WalterBenitez
03-19-2008, 03:26 PM
I can't say why, but this rules will go against us!

Tek_XX
03-19-2008, 03:28 PM
I can't say why, but this rules will go against us!

Well we dont make the shots anyway so i don't think so.

JamStone
03-19-2008, 03:35 PM
Why not just have a person review all three-point shots to make sure they're accurate throughout the entire game? Someone can easily double check whether a shot is a three pointer or not, and if video replay doesn't show a good enough angle, then the call on the court remains. When it's something like determining whether a shot should be two points or three points, I think it would be easy to implement a "video double check" for something that generally can be determined by a video replay.

T Park
03-19-2008, 03:59 PM
I'd be down with that jamstone.

Budkin
03-19-2008, 04:20 PM
I'll agree that the NBA is easily the worst refereed league in the US at least. The refs have so much leeway to shape the outcomes of key situations as they see fit.

timvp
03-19-2008, 09:02 PM
This is a pretty big step to take for something that happens so rarely. How often to refs mess up and make a mistake on three-pointer calls late in games? Maybe like once a year in the entire playoffs combined? Probably less than that.

The only example I remember in all of the Spurs' championship runs was that time Boykins got screwed when they called his three-pointer a two. But the Spurs went on to win that game so it worked out well.

:smokin

BonnerDynasty
03-19-2008, 09:03 PM
Fucking love it.

The refs are horrendous and their jobs should be given to ppl who aren't corrupt.

Strike
03-19-2008, 10:28 PM
If it works, embrace it.

If it doesn't work, kill it.