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Jimcs50
03-20-2008, 03:53 PM
That's definitely but I don't know if it's that with most of the people upset over this. I know this applies to me personally, but I think it also applies to alot of other posters here in that they're not against dogs being killed for food, or dogs being put down at the pound to prevent an excess of strays.

I'm against tying a dog up, starving it to death, and hiding behind the facade of art to justify your actions. And I'd be against it if it was a rat or a squirrel or whatever else.

other than the dogs being killed for food, I agree 100%.

I do not care where you live, torturing another living being is sick and anyone that does this act should be just snuffed out and taken off the planet.

Manny, you can not compare this to our females here in the U S walking around with their T and A hanging out being just as appalling to Isalic people....not even close

monosylab1k
03-20-2008, 03:53 PM
I guess the problem I have is with the assumption that art and stupidity are mutually exclusive. They're not.
Yeah that's a good point. I can see why people would call it art, but I still don't agree with it.

CuckingFunt
03-20-2008, 03:53 PM
I'm going to chain a starving little boy from The Congo and display him in an art gallery so the world can see the hypocrisy in themselves.

Oh, I'll feed the little fucker some peanuts twice a day so as not to kill him.

I'll be the greatest artist of all time.No more so than Sally Struthers.

monosylab1k
03-20-2008, 03:55 PM
I'm sure the people viewing it at the time had no idea it was being fed. And so what if we know now it was being fed.

Vargas exhibit caused so much outcry that he succeeded in what he wanted to accomplish. His main point was to make people aware of the stray dog problem in Costa Rica. A few hundred thousand people signed a petition in protest of his exhibit. We are arguing about his exhibit on an American message board. We all know now that there are tens of thousand of stray dogs dying in Costa Rica each year, and some people may actually help these dogs. Bravo Vargas, mission accomplished.
If you look at it that way, maybe so.

But then that means all those stupid ass thetruth.com commercials are "art" as well.

Spurminator
03-20-2008, 03:56 PM
Was Borat art?

SpursWoman
03-20-2008, 03:56 PM
By pure shock value, it certainly worked. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a terribly flawed depiction.

CuckingFunt
03-20-2008, 03:57 PM
But then that means all those stupid ass thetruth.com commercials are "art" as well.You'd probably be surprised to learn how many of the most famous works of art from the Renaissance had their start as works of marketing, advertisement, and propaganda.

CuckingFunt
03-20-2008, 03:59 PM
Was Borat art?Absolutely.

peewee's lovechild
03-20-2008, 04:00 PM
No more so than Sally Struthers.

She's not an artist because she has chained and African kids in an art gallery.

monosylab1k
03-20-2008, 04:00 PM
Was Borat art?
It's tough for me to think of frat boys talking about sticking a mouse up their dickhole as art, but I suppose so.

CuckingFunt
03-20-2008, 04:01 PM
She's not an artist because she has chained and African kids in an art gallery.Yet she has still been part of an advertising campaign that exploited their horrible living conditions in order to make rich Americans feel guilty. It's really not that different.

E20
03-20-2008, 04:03 PM
Then everything is art. The shit I just took in the toilet a minute ago, I'm framing that shit, that shit is fine grade A quality art.

SpursWoman
03-20-2008, 04:04 PM
I don't see torturing animals as art, and I don't see ugly naked men wrestling around a hotel room as art, either.

I guess I'm just too backards' that way. :fro

whottt
03-20-2008, 04:36 PM
This article doesn't include everything the guy did...nor do the pictures.


He actually had the dog surrounded by food in the shapes of letters spelling out various words, as he starved it to death.

Steve Perry
03-20-2008, 04:38 PM
If I saw TPark taking a shit in the woods I might think that is gross someone else may think it was art! but at the end it is still just TPark taking a shit in the woods.

midgetonadonkey
03-20-2008, 05:01 PM
I don't see torturing animals as art, and I don't see ugly naked men wrestling around a hotel room as art, either.

I guess I'm just too backards' that way. :fro

It's because people like you and me aren't intelligent enough to understand. We can't all have superior Manny minds.

whottt
03-20-2008, 05:04 PM
FRom that same blog Manny posted:


Here's how a blog on matters Costa Rican described the controversy:

A Costa Rican artist found himself in hot water with the animal protection people in his home country after using a starving, sick street dog as part of an exposition in Managua, Nicaragua, in August. Guillermo “Habacuc” Vargas allegedly found the dog tied up on a street corner in a poor Nicaragua barrio and brought it to the showing.

He tied the dog, according to furious animal lovers, in a corner of the salon where it died after a day. Habacuc’s exhibition included a legend spelled out in dog food reading “You are what you read,” photos and an incense burner that burned an ounce of marijauna and 175 “rock’ of crack cocaine. In the background, according to reports, the Sandista national anthem played backwards. :wtf

According to the artist, his “art” was a tribute to Natividad Canda, a Nicaraguan burglar killed in Costa Rica by two rottweilers guarding property he had entered at night. The incident caused friction between the two countries. Habacuc told the daily La Nacion, “I won’t say the dog died. The importance to me is the hypocracy of the people where an animal is the focus of attention where people come to see art but not when it’s in the street starving to death.”

“The same thing happened with poor Natividad Canda. The people sympathized with him only after he was dead,” the artist added.



I'm saying this guy is just trying to cover his ass...


You pick up a starving dog off the street and feed it, there is a about an 80% chance you have yourself a new dog. They might wander off, but they aren't going to go bolting off.

whottt
03-20-2008, 05:06 PM
Whether this asshat did it or not...they are now famous, and that was really what it was all about.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
03-20-2008, 05:08 PM
So it was done because of a stray dog problem?

Figured as much.

peewee's lovechild
03-20-2008, 05:18 PM
Yet she has still been part of an advertising campaign that exploited their horrible living conditions in order to make rich Americans feel guilty. It's really not that different.

She doesn't chain little starving children to a wall in an art gallery and pretend to make them starve, all the while feeding them scraps so as not to die.

It really is that different.

peewee's lovechild
03-20-2008, 05:20 PM
I don't see torturing animals as art, and I don't see ugly naked men wrestling around a hotel room as art, either.

I guess I'm just too backards' that way. :fro

CF will be disappointed in you.

peewee's lovechild
03-20-2008, 05:20 PM
It's because people like you and me aren't intelligent enough to understand. We can't all have superior Manny minds.

We all can't have that superior gorilla intellect.

mouse
03-20-2008, 05:22 PM
If you have to tie up a dog to call it art then you really have no talent as a true artists.

CuckingFunt
03-20-2008, 05:25 PM
If you have to tie up a dog to call it art then you really have no talent as a true artists.That makes the assumption that a) he tied up the dog because he had to rather than because he chose to, and b) there is one universal definition of what a "true artist" is.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
03-20-2008, 05:27 PM
Stop trying to define art. It's futile.

If this can sell for $25,000 a tin, anything is art:

http://home.sprynet.com/~mindweb/artshit.jpg

polandprzem
03-20-2008, 05:44 PM
.


I just wonder what is not an art?


Evey killing might be call an art. Allowe people kill people in cyvilized world?

I've got a vision. I will be taking out your eyeball with a spoon for a start. Then brake your bones and see how you handle the pain.
I will call it an art, and guess what, they will pay me for that!

Isn't it fantastic?

polandprzem
03-20-2008, 05:45 PM
Now - is it worthy to read all thread?

peewee's lovechild
03-20-2008, 05:46 PM
I just wonder what is not an art?


Evey killing might be call an art. Allowe people kill people in cyvilized world?

I've got a vision. I will be taking out your eyeball with a spoon for a start. Then brake your bones and see how you handle the pain.
I will call it an art, and guess what, they will pay me for that!

Isn't it fantastic?

It's already been done.

It's called Saw I-IV.

Suns Fan
03-20-2008, 05:46 PM
That makes the assumption that a) he tied up the dog because he had to rather than because he chose to, and b) there is one universal definition of what a "true artist" is.

Your so right maybe this will help clear things up.



ART


http://king-of-fools.com/pictures/gothic.jpg



Abuse


http://www.prijatelji-zivotinja.hr/data/image_2_783.jpg


According to many in this topic Adolf Hitler was just burning his art work in those ovens.

mrsmaalox
03-20-2008, 05:51 PM
We all can't have that superior gorilla intellect.


http://www.gorilla.org/images/kokopix/051026_VJ7A5869_k_art_ai.jpg

Spurminator
03-20-2008, 05:53 PM
Good god, "art" is just a word. When did it ever become tied to quality, relevance, or morality? I don't understand what the big deal is.

peewee's lovechild
03-20-2008, 05:55 PM
http://www.gorilla.org/images/kokopix/051026_VJ7A5869_k_art_ai.jpg


It looks like one of ST's posters has been keeping himself busy.

E20
03-20-2008, 05:57 PM
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3227/40885075dd1.jpg
I'll sell this art for 50,000.

polandprzem
03-20-2008, 05:59 PM
It's already been done.

It's called Saw I-IV.

Aahhh shit


But wait, was that a movie? Movie is not real is it?


Let me get this straight. My opinion - you can do whatever you want, not harming anybody else.
You can make shit in your own living room - I don't care. You can call it an art - I don't care. If thre will be somebody who want to watch your art - congrats.

Tonto
03-20-2008, 06:41 PM
Good god, "art" is just a word. When did it ever become tied to quality, relevance, or morality? I don't understand what the big deal is.


so fag and ###### is just a word

Spurminator
03-20-2008, 06:50 PM
so fag and ###### is just a word

Tonto make heap lousy comparison.

whottt
03-20-2008, 06:56 PM
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3227/40885075dd1.jpg
I'll sell this art for 50,000.


You want 50,000 for a picture of yourself?


I don't think it works like that.

E20
03-20-2008, 06:58 PM
You want 50,000 for a picture of yourself?


I don't think it works like that.
No you idiot. That's the shit I took and I took a picture of it. I'm selling my photographic art. Geez-louise, take some comprhension classes or something. :rolleyes

Findog
03-21-2008, 01:54 AM
http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/vargas.asp

tp2021
03-21-2008, 02:03 AM
Humans are some fucked up creatures. We are truly the cancer of the earth.

come on now...its true a lot really are fucked up, but i hate generalizations that group all the harmless in with the harmful. not every human is a sick, twisted, cruel bastard. this guy gives despicable new meaning to the term "starving artist."

TheSanityAnnex
03-21-2008, 01:40 PM
come on now...its true a lot really are fucked up, but i hate generalizations that group all the harmless in with the harmful. not every human is a sick, twisted, cruel bastard. this guy gives despicable new meaning to the term "starving artist."You are trying to rationalize with the guy that told everyone to fucking kill themselves after a Superbowl loss.

Viva Las Espuelas
03-21-2008, 02:37 PM
http://www.gorilla.org/images/kokopix/051026_VJ7A5869_k_art_ai.jpg
amy?

mrsmaalox
03-21-2008, 03:09 PM
amy?

No that's Koko. That's the one that learned sign language. Apparently knows art too.

monosylab1k
03-21-2008, 03:20 PM
You are trying to rationalize with the guy that told everyone to fucking kill themselves after a Superbowl loss.
That was performance art to raise awareness about suicide. It worked. I'm an artist.

You don't have to call me a genius, I know i am. But thanks anyways.

Viva Las Espuelas
03-21-2008, 04:02 PM
Apparently knows art too.niiice

TheSanityAnnex
03-21-2008, 04:53 PM
That was performance art to raise awareness about suicide. It worked. I'm an artist.

You don't have to call me a genius, I know i am. But thanks anyways.You're no artist. A true artist would have kept his word and quit posting because sports hurt his heart so much.

monosylab1k
03-21-2008, 05:32 PM
You're no artist. A true artist would have kept his word and quit posting because sports hurt his heart so much.
That was performance art to raise awareness about sports and honesty. Looks like that worked too. Brilliant!

Grape Ape
03-21-2008, 06:37 PM
http://www.gorilla.org/images/kokopix/051026_VJ7A5869_k_art_ai.jpg






How did you get this picture? Who gave this to you?


I was a cute kid in elementary.

Cant_Be_Faded
03-21-2008, 07:23 PM
"If murder is the highest form of art
then i am the fucking pablo picasso of death"

-revolting cocks song

Spuradicator
03-21-2008, 08:24 PM
Some fucked up people in this world.

Im suprised some crazed animal rights fanatics didn't storm the place and take the poor dog.

Shaolin-Style
03-21-2008, 09:05 PM
So someone does something like that and calls it art? That sure is inspirational. Lets all just go out and do some fucked up things to animals and call it art.

I REALLY couldn't fathom to begin with that a starving animal would lose all of its muscle and fat and be nothing but a pitiful heap of shedding fur and bones before it dies.

What a dick, anyone with common sense knows thats what happens when you starve, just some emotionally disturbed prick trying to make a quick buck while getting his rocks off on something suffering.

Cant_Be_Faded
03-21-2008, 10:36 PM
I'm so sick of MannyIsGod's contrarian posts. His contrarian-to-post ratio is at an all time high.


/timvp

ShoogarBear
03-21-2008, 11:24 PM
Hey, Hitler was an art major.

Manu'sMagicalLeftHand
03-21-2008, 11:41 PM
Hey, Hitler was an art major.

Lol, I was about to post something along those lines. If this guy is an artist, then Auschwitz is the Louvre and Dachau the Guggenheim. After all, just look how they made people react and think, nevermind the detail of the millions killed.

tp2021
03-22-2008, 12:26 AM
You are trying to rationalize with the guy that told everyone to fucking kill themselves after a Superbowl loss.

hmm...i did not know that. i guess i'll save my flexors next time.

besides, he's a mav fan. if he hasn't killed himself yet, its hard to take him seriously if he tells me i should kill myself when my team loses a big game.