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Bruno
03-21-2008, 07:39 AM
http://www.statesman.com/horns/content/sports/stories/other/03/21/0321golden.html

By Cedric Golden
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Friday, March 21, 2008


It's easy to see why the San Antonio Spurs spent a 2005 first-round draft pick on France's Ian Mahinmi.

And it's not because he bears any resemblance to Tony Parker.

Now why would San Antonio have any interest in this kid?

Let's see. He's 6 feet, 11 inches, 230 pounds, with long arms. Athletic and nimble, he can shoot a jump hook with either hand and can make jump shots out 18 feet. He's particularly good on the elbow (the corners of the lane) and runs well.

Yes, he's ever heard of Wake Forest University and the Virgin Islands. And he doesn't swim, just in case you you're wondering.

Okay, the 21-year Austin Toros rookie center does have certain similarities to Spurs superstar Tim Duncan, and there are more.

He owns a house in San Antonio. He's actually played for the San Antonio Spurs (five games, to be exact) and is good friends with a French all-star. His answer to Duncan's friendship with Parker? None other than soccer player Thierry Henry (the guy in the shaving commercial with Tiger Woods and Roger Federer).

Similarities aside, Mahinmi is playing in U.S. for the first time. At 21, he's accustomed to life on the road, and any bout of homesickness is cured with a visit to his sister in New York City or his brother in Calgary.

"I'm enjoying the U.S., and I'm getting to learn a new style of basketball,'' he said. "New rules, new referees and new teammates. But at the end of the day, it's still basketball."

He's probably seen enough of that 74-mile stretch between Austin and San Antonio to last him a lifetime, though he insists he will be a full-time Spur in 2009. He's played a total of 23 minutes with the big boys this season, but real development will only come with a heavy workload. Those minutes are readily available in the D-League with the Toros.

"When the Spurs call, I'm ready,'' he said. "And when they send me back to Austin, I'm ready to play then too. It's part of the process."

Mahinmi scored 10 points and grabbed nine rebounds in Thursday's 110-75 win over the Rio Grande Valley Vipers, and despite making only 3 of 11 field goal attempts, he showed why the San Antonio brass sees him as a major contributor in the near future.

He entered the game averaging 16.6 and 7.9 rebounds, promising numbers for player still finding his way on this side of the ocean.

"This is his first time playing NBA basketball,'' said Spurs director of pro player personnel Dell Demps. "He spent his whole life playing European basketball, and that's a different style than we play here.

"We're hoping in the next couple of years, he will be a rotation player for the Spurs."

Versatile as he is, Mahinmi is a project.

The 28th pick in the first round was well worth the risk, given his upside. And he's in a good situation with an organization that's in no hurry to rush him to the pros because Mr. Duncan still has a few hundred bank shots left in this deep pockets.

That doesn't mean this aging front line that includes Duncan (who turns 32 next month), Fabricio Oberto (33), Robert Horry (37) and newcomer Kurt Thomas (35) couldn't use some youth coming off the bench in the next couple of seasons.

That's presumably where Mahinmi and 6-11 Brazilian Tiago Splitter, the team's top pick in the 2007 draft, will step in.

"I want to give them energy,'' Mahinmi said. "Running and jumping, playing defense. All the things a young man brings to a team."

Spurs coach Gregg Popovich told me last week that he loves Mahinmi's athleticism. He sees this apprenticeship in the Development League as an opportunity for Mahinmi to find out what he does best and what he needs to improve before he can make the permanent step to the NBA.

He has the talent to end up in the San Antonio rotation by the start of next season. In other words, this is the right place for Mahinmi.

At this point, he's much better off working on his game for 30 to 35 minutes a game with the Toros than he is sitting on the bench at a packed AT&T Center. Besides, the NBA guys rarely practice, and this kid would probably just waste away on the pine.

Between those stints on Interstate 35, he will need to figure out how to stay on the court. Mahinmi is second in the D-League in fouls per game at 4.2 — a few too many personals, considering he's playing only 29.5 minutes per game. That adds up to 6.9 fouls per 48 minutes, enough hacks to get him a free taxi license.

The meter was running Thursday as Mahinmi committed two quick fouls in the first 1:53 against Rio Grande Valley and took a seat next to coach Quin Snyder before returning with five minutes left in the first half.

It was easy to see that Snyder is careful with his charge after Mahinmi scored inside with 8:12 left in the third. On his next trip down the court, Mahinmi committed a foul No. 3 going for a rebound.

Seat next to coach.

It's all part of the maturing process.

Lessons can only be learned when mistakes are made.

Progress will come in its own time, and young Mahinmi is learning in both D-leagues — NBA and life.

mystargtr34
03-21-2008, 08:01 AM
Do you think hes come along quicker than RC, Pop and co. thought he would...

17-8 in 30 minutes is quite impressive given his background and age.

whottt
03-21-2008, 08:16 AM
Do you think hes come along quicker than RC, Pop and co. thought he would...

17-8 in 30 minutes is quite impressive given his background and age.


From the films I have seen of Mahinmi in Europe...he was very much an athletic hustle guy...good shotblocker, rebounder and garbage man...

I think the Spurs probably were hoping that he could mature into something like that at the NBA level, and I think they would have been happy with that.

His biggest obstacles to becoming a defense/garbageman were his lack of weight and muscle...in summer league he was foul prone and pushed around in the paint.

Since coming over from Europe his offensive game has developed exponentially quicker than his defensive game, to the point where he is showing potential as being a featured offensive big....the problem is he hasn't really progressed on the defensive side of the ball where he first showed the most aptitude. He still picks up too many fouls trying to play D and last I heard his shotblocking isn't what it should be given his length and jumping ability.


Add it all up..well the good new is he's shown talent on both sides of the ball, the offensive development is definitely a huge plus that I don't think the Spurs were really anticipating...

I think he's progressing more quickly than the Spurs expected offensively, but slower than they expected defensively and it's probably his lack of development on the defensive side of the ball that's his biggest obstacle to landing on the Spurs roster. To his credit...he has put on some muscle, but those fouls are horrible. IF he's that foul prone against D-leaguers...he's probably going to have some real issues with NBA level players. So he's got to work on those fouls.

I personally hppe they bring him up for the post season..if only to give him a taste of what it's like. Doesn't sound like it's going to happen though.

1Parker1
03-21-2008, 08:57 AM
That doesn't mean this aging front line that includes Duncan (who turns 32 next month),

Duncan turns 32 next month?? :wow

mathbzh
03-21-2008, 09:34 AM
I like Mahinmi potential, but the comparison with Duncan is a bit too much . :rolleyes

ChuckD
03-21-2008, 09:37 AM
Duncan turns 32 next month?? :wow
Not at all old for a big man. Tim will still be putting up 17p/10r when his extension ends in 2012 and he's 36. His game will never go over a cliff like Shaq's has because it's predicated on position and fundamental, not freakish athleticism. You can't miss what you've never had. :)

The player who's game you have to be concerned with is Manu. He's fundamentally sound, but he does rely on athleticism for a big chunk of his game, and he is 30. By the end of his contract in 2010, you'll see him morph into more of a shooting guard and less of an attacking guard. The play that comes to mind was that mad basket attack against Detroit when he got roofed by a fucking guard trying to flush two handed at the rim. Two, three years ago, he would have power dunked, and probably left parts of the guard's hand hanging on the rim.

ChumpDumper
03-21-2008, 09:39 AM
Last night, Ian started out with foul trouble and wasn't aggressive enough to take advantage of the slower Jesse Smith as he had in the past (Snyder went completely batshit over the second foul -- I'm surprised he didn't get a T. With Kent Davison gone, he's quickly becoming one of the most entertaining coaches when it comes to sideline histrionics). In the second half, Ian looked a lot more like pre-ass injury Ian as far as aggressiveness and speed goes. He was also getting much better positioning for defensive rebounds against the larger Smith throughout the game. All in all, a bad start and strong finish for Ian. Hopefully he continues the improvement tonight.

Mr.Bottomtooth
03-21-2008, 09:52 AM
I really like his attitude. I know every player is like that, but there's just something about him that I can't point out that says he's promised himself that he will be a rotation player next year.

MoSpur
03-21-2008, 10:24 AM
I'm excited to see this guy play.

wildbill2u
03-21-2008, 11:32 AM
I don't see anything particularly wrong with a young developing player on the Spurs using up his allotment of fouls as long as he's coming off the bench with the purpose of playing agressively on defense.

He'll have to learn what the refs will let him get away with as a role player in the NBA and you don't get that in practice. The D League is good training, but I'm sure the officiating is different for role players in the big league. I say bring him on next year, at least for 10 day stretches.

Ed Helicopter Jones
03-21-2008, 11:55 AM
My younger brother saw him at the casino when he was in NM playing the TBirds a few days ago. Said he was doing fairly well at the tables...so he has that going for him as well.

nfg3
03-21-2008, 12:47 PM
Looking forward to him coming up next year - hopefully. We definitely need more youth on this team. And with Splitter coming also this will be interesting to see how it plays out.
I've wonder in the past if the following has either happpened or could but don't know - Would/does Drob and/or Tim D help in tutoring young big men? What is their input when it comes to this? Do they offer or wait for an invite from the coaching staff?

Just curious.

nkdlunch
03-21-2008, 12:55 PM
Not at all old for a big man. Tim will still be putting up 17p/10r when his extension ends in 2012 and he's 36. His game will never go over a cliff like Shaq's has because it's predicated on position and fundamental, not freakish athleticism. You can't miss what you've never had. :)

The player who's game you have to be concerned with is Manu. He's fundamentally sound, but he does rely on athleticism for a big chunk of his game, and he is 30. By the end of his contract in 2010, you'll see him morph into more of a shooting guard and less of an attacking guard. The play that comes to mind was that mad basket attack against Detroit when he got roofed by a fucking guard trying to flush two handed at the rim. Two, three years ago, he would have power dunked, and probably left parts of the guard's hand hanging on the rim.

manu will retire in 3 years. After this crazy season, olympics and 2 more seasons, he will have nothing in the tank. But he will retire a winner.

Hemotivo
03-21-2008, 12:58 PM
he looks like this guy to me
http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/sports/buck/img/apr02/erv414.jpg
http://www.ultimatenba.com/galerias/ErvinJohnson/ErvinJohnson003.jpg

fyatuk
03-21-2008, 01:03 PM
Looking forward to him coming up next year - hopefully. We definitely need more youth on this team. And with Splitter coming also this will be interesting to see how it plays out.
I've wonder in the past if the following has either happpened or could but don't know - Would/does Drob and/or Tim D help in tutoring young big men? What is their input when it comes to this? Do they offer or wait for an invite from the coaching staff?

Just curious.

At the very least, TD will help him out when they're playing together. Tim, even before DRob retired, is always explaining to people what mistakes they made and what they should have done, especially with the younger guys.

nkdlunch
03-21-2008, 01:08 PM
I wanna see Mahimni and Splitter playing for Spurs next season.

Bruno
03-21-2008, 02:53 PM
The most impressive about Mahinmi are his improvements during the year.
His coach in France called him "The Sponge" because of his ability to learn new things and Mahinmi show this year that this nickname is well deserved.
The road is still long and hard but if he continues at that rhythm, he will start to make some noise in the NBA as soon as next year.
Sky is the limit for him.

timvp
03-21-2008, 03:09 PM
I wish the Spurs would have sold him an a two-year D-League plan. He's made good strides this season but I think one more season in D-League and he'd really be ready the following year. However, it sounds like he's dead set on playing for the Spurs next season.

The problem is I just don't see where he'd get minutes. Next to Duncan, you have Oberto. You'd think the Spurs will try to re-sign Thomas. They'll have Bonner under contract. Splitter will be coming to town. Where will Mahinmi get minutes? And that's not even counting Horry, who has pretty much backed off his preseason retirement declaration.

If the Spurs win the championship this season, it'd be nice to bring back the same bigs for a run next year. I guess if they flame out, they could let Thomas and Horry walk and then bring in Mahinmi and Splitter. Even in that scenario though, it'd still be tough for them to get minutes.

If neither Mahinmi nor Splitter are open to the idea of D-League next season, the Spurs may be forced to make a Ginobili versus Giricek type decision. Hopefully they pick the right one again.

:hat

vander
03-21-2008, 03:09 PM
You can't miss what you've never had. :)


TD used to have some athletics too, sure he's still great, but he used to be even better!!! see siggy