The "Uniter" stereotyping 'white people'

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know there's a reaction that's been been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/obama-grandmother-typic_b_92601.html

If this were Hillary or McCain saying 'the typical black person', Al, Jesse, and the rest of the race brigade would be all over it.

So much for Obama's 'unifier' campaign focus, looks like he attended one too many of Rev. Wright's sermons.

[fyatuk]

Like he said, racial steroptying (which I think of different than racism) is bred into the vast majority of people. Apparently it infects him, as well. Big deal.

[Spurminator]

So Jesse and Al are bad and yet here we are doing exactly what they do. Are we really going to make a big deal about this? Thank God it's Friday...

[peewee's lovechild]

So Jesse and Al are bad and yet here we are doing exactly what they do. Are we really going to make a big deal about this? Thank God it's Friday...

Good Friday.

[Mr. Peabody]

Holy crap!! Chris Wallace actually defended Obama on this issue -

MiIK8jh3ZCE

That was unexpected. :wow

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Good Friday.what's Good about today?

[Yonivore]

I stand by my assessment it was a good speech the other day but, with his "typical white" person assertion -- tied in with his throwing his white grandmother under the bus -- I'm starting to wonder how sincere was that speech.

Also, some have pointed out how similar it is to the RFK speech delivered on the event of MLK Jr.'s assassination.

Ooops!

Still gets and A+ for delivery...his grade in content and originality, however, are starting to slip.

But, I don't care, so long long as he and Hillary are still at it come convention time. And, if the current polls hold, McCain is getting 10% of the Democrat vote no matter how you slice it.

[Yonivore]

what's Good about today?
God was glorified in the crucifixion of His son, Jesus Christ. It was good, in that, without his death, there would have been no resurrection and no absolultion. Our salvation would have been in jeopardy.

That's why it's called Good Friday.

No debate on the Christian faith, I'm just answering the question as to why it's called Good Friday.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

God was glorified in the crucifixion of His son, Jesus Christ. It was good, in that, without his death, there would have been no resurrection and no absolultion. Our salvation would have been in jeopardy.

That's why it's called Good Friday.

No debate on the Christian faith, I'm just answering the question as to why it's called Good Friday."For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. matthew 12:40"


start at friday and apply what's written.

[fyatuk]

God was glorified in the crucifixion of His son, Jesus Christ. It was good, in that, without his death, there would have been no resurrection and no absolultion. Our salvation would have been in jeopardy.

That's why it's called Good Friday.

No debate on the Christian faith, I'm just answering the question as to why it's called Good Friday.

I didn't see a question about why it was called Good Friday, just what's good about it, which around my office, get's said alot whenever anyone says "good morning" :p:

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If Clinton or McCain said something about the typical black person, they'd have the liberal press, the NCAACP, Black Panthers, Al, Jesse, and Obama's preacher all over their ass.

Hypocrisy reigns supreme, I guess.


So Jesse and Al are bad and yet here we are doing exactly what they do. Are we really going to make a big deal about this? Thank God it's Friday...

It's not so much about Al and Jesse, it's the whole premise that Obama can stereotype white people and that's okay, yet Obama can play the race card when anyone goes on the attack on him. Fucking hypocritical, especially coming from a candidate preaching change and unity.

[Yonivore]

I didn't see a question about why it was called Good Friday, just what's good about it, which around my office, get's said alot whenever anyone says "good morning" :p:
The "...what's good about it..." part, is a question. And, Viva's post even put the appropriate question mark at the end. :p:

[peewee's lovechild]

God was glorified in the crucifixion of His son, Jesus Christ. It was good, in that, without his death, there would have been no resurrection and no absolultion. Our salvation would have been in jeopardy.

That's why it's called Good Friday.

No debate on the Christian faith, I'm just answering the question as to why it's called Good Friday.

I meant it's Good Friday because steak is cheaper due to all the Catholics eating fish.

[Yonivore]

I meant it's Good Friday because steak is cheaper due to all the Catholics eating fish.
Another bonus.

[Spurminator]

I haven't even heard from Al or Jesse in years. They've race baited themselves into relative irrelevance. Why are we carrying on their legacy by using their tactics?

I'm guessing all of us know Obama didn't mean all white people are racists. Right?

[braeden0613]

Good lord...who freaking cares? Do we really need to hyper analyze everything this man says?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Good lord...who freaking cares? Do we really need to hyper analyze everything this man says?

Outside of the 'white people' talk, I guess you embrace his horrendous socialist spending plan? His white people comment is just the latest to add to the laundry list of reasons why this guy would be horrible for our country.

[JoeChalupa]

I see many typical responses to Obama's remarks.

[braeden0613]

Outside of the 'white people' talk, I guess you embrace his horrendous socialist spending plan? His white people comment is just the latest to add to the laundry list of reasons why this guy would be horrible for our country.
I think you just made my point for me. The media obsesses about some pointless talk like if he wears a american flag pin while no one wants to talk about his socialist spending plan (no, i dont even come close to supporting it). This "election coverage" is turning into Entertainment Tonight.

[nkdlunch]

good friday? is it steak and blowjob day again?

[JoeChalupa]

Typical political caca.

[Evan]

I meant it's Good Friday because steak is cheaper due to all the Catholics eating fish.


:clap

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think you just made my point for me. The media obsesses about some pointless talk like if he wears a american flag pin while no one wants to talk about his socialist spending plan (no, i dont even come close to supporting it). This "election coverage" is turning into Entertainment Tonight.

Considering the blowup over McCain's comment about AQ, it's only fair to criticize Obama's comments as well...

[Mr. Peabody]

You ever notice how white people drive like this "deedle deedle dee" and Black people drive like this *act laid back and cool*?

You ever notice how white people have names like "Lenny," but Black people have names like "Carl"?

It's true! We're so lame!

[braeden0613]

Considering the blowup over McCain's comment about AQ, it's only fair to criticize Obama's comments as well...
Maybe. Although I wish it would all go away. Its probably too much to ask for real news from the MSM

[clambake]

Considering the blowup over McCain's comment about AQ, it's only fair to criticize Obama's comments as well...
do you really want someone that's even less knowledgeable to take over the biggest blunder of modern times.

how many lives and trillions has been spent by obama? how many extremist have been created by obama's actions?

[jochhejaam]

I'm guessing all of us know Obama didn't mean all white people are racists. Right?
I'm not exactly sure what he was saying...how would you interpret it?


Is there any data to back up his perception of the "typical white person"? Of course there's not, and I'm confounded by the stupidity of that statement.
It was both senseless and counterproductive.

It doesn't bother me a bit personally, but geez, you'd think he'd be smart enough to refrain from remarks that carry with them the potential to alienate and polarize.
He didn't help himself at all with that one.


The perception of him as being a "great unifer" has taken a beating, and he has brought most of it upon himself.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

do you really want someone that's even less knowledgeable to take over the biggest blunder of modern times.

how many lives and trillions has been spent by obama? how many extremist have been created by obama's actions?

No, I don't want Obama to take over, which is why I won't be voting for him.

I don't know about lives, but Obama sure as hell has spelled out his budgetary plans should he be elected president, and those sure as hell aren't cheap.

Extremists created? Are you trying to insinuate that Bush created the idiots that the US military is blowing away daily in Afghanistan and Iraq? Those people already hated us.

On the bright side, they are flocking to Iraq and getting in the express lane to their 72 virgins instead of sneaking into our country to spring another 9/11.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Ehhhh, either three of the remaining candidates are going to spend a shitload of money. The only thing is a president alone can't enact socialized health care. Meanwhile, any idiot that gets elected can continue the war and sap the country's (borrowed) money.

[clambake]

No, I don't want Obama to take over, which is why I won't be voting for him.

I don't know about lives, but Obama sure as hell has spelled out his budgetary plans should he be elected president, and those sure as hell aren't cheap.

Extremists created? Are you trying to insinuate that Bush created the idiots that the US military is blowing away daily in Afghanistan and Iraq? Those people already hated us.

On the bright side, they are flocking to Iraq and getting in the express lane to their 72 virgins instead of sneaking into our country to spring another 9/11.
:lol so you live in ray's basement?

[boutons_]

Obama say his Mama is a typical white person with typical reactions to certain types of people.

Typical bubbas and red-necks like Aggie, Yoni, Clanny react typically to a Obama, or a white woman trying to be President.

Where's the problem, except a false one created and hyped to hell by Fox's Repug surrogates and rabble rousers? The rabble are TYPICALLY roused.

Sounds like Beavis and Butthead saying "he said "typical white woman"" heh heh heh

[xrayzebra]

Obama say his Mama is a typical white person with typical reactions to certain types of people.

Typical bubbas and red-necks like Aggie, Yoni, Clanny react typically to a Obama, or a white woman trying to be President.

Where's the problem, except a false one created and hyped to hell by Fox's Repug surrogates and rabble rousers? The rabble are TYPICALLY roused.

Sounds like Beavis and Butthead saying "he said "typical white woman"" heh heh heh

Typical rubbish. That "typical white woman" was his
Grandmother, who he acknowledged raised him and
LOVED him. Who he has previously thrown under the
bus and now he says she was just a typical white woman.
Funny thing happened on the way to the forum. He,
Obama, carries her DNA in him. So guess that makes
him half a typical White man. And everyone knows
white people hate everyone except other whites. Just
read above.

[smeagol]

this forum is filled with "typical white people" imho

I'm white and latino.

Am I typical?

You, OTOH, are white and pretty typical.

[smeagol]

when you get your green card i'll listen to you whitey
I've had it for 3 1/2 years, gringo.

I'm going for citizenship in two more years :hat

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Obama say his Mama is a typical white person with typical reactions to certain types of people.

Typical bubbas and red-necks like Aggie, Yoni, Clanny react typically to a Obama, or a white woman trying to be President.

Where's the problem, except a false one created and hyped to hell by Fox's Repug surrogates and rabble rousers? The rabble are TYPICALLY roused.

Sounds like Beavis and Butthead saying "he said "typical white woman"" heh heh heh


I'm not against Obama because he's black or Hillary because she's a female, I'm against them because their platform sucks and will mean higher taxes for all of us (even the unemployed idiots such as yourself).

Socialism sucks, and it's what they have both based their campaign platforms on.

Try reading sometime instead of being a stereotypical little idiot.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I'm not against Obama because he's black or Hillary because she's a female, I'm against them because their platform sucks and will mean higher taxes for all of us (even the unemployed idiots such as yourself).

Socialism sucks, and it's what they have both based their campaign platforms on.

Try reading sometime instead of being a stereotypical little idiot.


How can you be so sure McCain won't raise taxes if he's elected to? He was against the bush tax cuts for years, and it seems to me, only voted to keep them because he wants those wishy washy repub votes who are scared to death at being taxed, even while he adamantly refuses to back out of the most wasteful spending project of the 21st century.

[peewee's lovechild]

Socialism sucks, and it's what they have both based their campaign platforms on.


I'm curious, because you have such a strong opinion about it, have you ever lived in a socialist country or a country that has a socialist-democratic government (like Canada)?

[peewee's lovechild]

How can you be so sure McCain won't raise taxes if he's elected to? He was against the bush tax cuts for years, and it seems to me, only voted to keep them because he wants those wishy washy repub votes who are scared to death at being taxed, even while he adamantly refuses to back out of the most wasteful spending project of the 21st century.


I seem to remember a prominent Republican saying, "NO, NEW TAXES!"

I wonder how that went for him.

[Doc Jerome]

How many good men get falsely accused and incessantly portrayed as a racist, expatriot in the media by dastardly machinations crafted by all U.S. media outlets? It is clear that reporters, editors, producers and writers lack the courage to go beyond the grotesque and superficial, choosing rather, to elevate and propagate specious stories that appeal to the basest instincts of humanity. :fro

[xrayzebra]

I'm curious, because you have such a strong opinion about it, have you ever lived in a socialist country or a country that has a socialist-democratic government (like Canada)?

I have, several. And taxes are sky-high, regulation is out
of this world and in most cases, except shortly after WWII,
prices are outrageous. And in one country I am well
acquainted with the United Kingdom (England) for those
that want national health, they are closing hospitals, waits
for medical treatment are insane. I will take my chances
any old day with a Capitalist country.

If you think they are so great, look at Castro's Cuba,
when he needed a doctor he had him imported from
Spain.

[ChumpDumper]

This thread is pretty typical of white people.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The only thing this thread really needs is an in-depth look into the structural integrity of various types of girders.

[ChumpDumper]

And floor systems.

[smeagol]

funny, i thought you ahd taken the us's money and run back to sudamerica to laugh over mojitos and books by stalin translated into spanish from the original russian


Don't worry.

This is just one more thing you are wrong about me.

Incidentely, we don't drink mojitos in Argentina.

Moreover, I did not go to a generic country, "sudamerica".

Lastly, I did not take anybody's money. Actually, I work for a French bank, so if anything, it is "french" money I'm taking.

It's scary how well you fit the "ignorant American" sterotype.

PS: And what does the Stalin comment have to do with anything?

[peewee's lovechild]

I have, several. And taxes are sky-high, regulation is out
of this world and in most cases, except shortly after WWII,
prices are outrageous. And in one country I am well
acquainted with the United Kingdom (England) for those
that want national health, they are closing hospitals, waits
for medical treatment are insane. I will take my chances
any old day with a Capitalist country.

If you think they are so great, look at Castro's Cuba,
when he needed a doctor he had him imported from
Spain.


You went from the UK to Cuba?

I mean, come on!!

Anyway, as bad as you say the England is . . . have you seen how the U.S. Dollar weighs against the LB Sterling?

The Euro is also stronger than the U.S. Dollar.

Exactly how is Socialism killing the Europeans?

As for taxes, fuck . . . we all pay them. And, we're not going to be paying any less, regardless of who gets elected.

It's a constant in life. We pay taxes for the government to work. No taxes, no government. That will never change. And, to think that it will, is just ludicrous.

Long waits in the hospitals at England, there's been people that wait for days to get serviced here. Days.

[Holt's Cat]

Who gives a shit? This country is fucked. Maybe Barack will make us feel a little better as this land circles the drain. That's about it.

[Yonivore]

As for taxes, fuck . . . we all pay them. And, we're not going to be paying any less, regardless of who gets elected.
I, and most Americans, are paying less in taxes (as a percentage of our income) than we were in 2000.


It's a constant in life. We pay taxes for the government to work. No taxes, no government. That will never change. And, to think that it will, is just ludicrous.
I just don't think we should pay the government to do a job they aren't constitutionally authorized to do and, that we should be doing as citizens.


Long waits in the hospitals at England, there's been people that wait for days to get serviced here. Days.
There are people that come here, from countries with socialized medicine. Tell me about America's inferior health care system when the river starts flowing the other way.

[xrayzebra]

You went from the UK to Cuba?

I mean, come on!!

Anyway, as bad as you say the England is . . . have you seen how the U.S. Dollar weighs against the LB Sterling?

The Euro is also stronger than the U.S. Dollar.

Exactly how is Socialism killing the Europeans?

As for taxes, fuck . . . we all pay them. And, we're not going to be paying any less, regardless of who gets elected.

It's a constant in life. We pay taxes for the government to work. No taxes, no government. That will never change. And, to think that it will, is just ludicrous.

Long waits in the hospitals at England, there's been people that wait for days to get serviced here. Days.

PeeWee, I hate to break to you, but the topic was
Socialist countries. Both England and Cuba are socialist,
do you understand now.

I also hate to break the news to you, the Euro is now
more valuable against the dollar. Which proves little,
unless you are in the money trading business and
before you get all excited, yes I know it makes oil more
expensive for us. But you know how much they are
paying in England for a gallon of gas with all those good
old Euro's? Yesterday I was told about 10 pounds for
the equivalent of one gallon of our gas. They said we are
dead lucky to paying only 3 dollars a gallon. He didn't
indicate how what the exchange rate is for Euro's with
Pounds. You can look it up.

You say people wait a long time here. Want a little
first hand experience. Myself. I had to make a trip to
the emergency room a little while ago. During the
two days there, I received a CAT scan, MRI/MRA,
Ultra-sound, numerous blood test. This will not happen
in countries with National Health Schemes. One other
little item for your list of great things in Socialist
countries, many in England are now BUYING their own
health insurance policies. And one other little item,
their Social Security has a private side to it. Look it
up on Google, I haven't the time nor inclination to explain
that to you. And taxes, hell kiddo, you have no idea
what the folks in Europe pay in taxes. None what so
ever.

As for our taxes, I doubt you work, but for those that
do get ready for some big tax INCREASES if the dimms
stay in power and elect their nominee. Because they
are going to let Bush's tax decreases expire and more
than likely increase taxes to pay for their most wonderful
programs.

But live in ignorance, like you do now. I would tell
you to ask your school teachers but they more than
likely would tell you everything is caused by global
warming.

[peewee's lovechild]

PeeWee, I hate to break to you, but the topic was
Socialist countries. Both England and Cuba are socialist,
do you understand now.

I also hate to break the news to you, the Euro is now
more valuable against the dollar. Which proves little,
unless you are in the money trading business and
before you get all excited, yes I know it makes oil more
expensive for us. But you know how much they are
paying in England for a gallon of gas with all those good
old Euro's? Yesterday I was told about 10 pounds for
the equivalent of one gallon of our gas. They said we are
dead lucky to paying only 3 dollars a gallon. He didn't
indicate how what the exchange rate is for Euro's with
Pounds. You can look it up.

You say people wait a long time here. Want a little
first hand experience. Myself. I had to make a trip to
the emergency room a little while ago. During the
two days there, I received a CAT scan, MRI/MRA,
Ultra-sound, numerous blood test. This will not happen
in countries with National Health Schemes. One other
little item for your list of great things in Socialist
countries, many in England are now BUYING their own
health insurance policies. And one other little item,
their Social Security has a private side to it. Look it
up on Google, I haven't the time nor inclination to explain
that to you. And taxes, hell kiddo, you have no idea
what the folks in Europe pay in taxes. None what so
ever.

As for our taxes, I doubt you work, but for those that
do get ready for some big tax INCREASES if the dimms
stay in power and elect their nominee. Because they
are going to let Bush's tax decreases expire and more
than likely increase taxes to pay for their most wonderful
programs.

But live in ignorance, like you do now. I would tell
you to ask your school teachers but they more than
likely would tell you everything is caused by global
warming.
Europe has collapsed under the weight of heavy taxation.

Their peoples are clamoring for help.

There are riots every day in Europe due to the injustices of taxation.

Quit being such an alarmist.

And, this crap about Dems destroying the economy because they'll tax the shit out of you . . . same shit every election cycle.

Y'all need to come up with something original.

By the way, my taxes have gone up, not down. I got a break this year because my daughter was born, but even then, I paid more taxes this year than last.

[peewee's lovechild]

I, and most Americans, are paying less in taxes (as a percentage of our income) than we were in 2000.


Not true, at all.

I paid more taxes this year.
And, that's that I had a kid and had a tax credit for her!!!



I just don't think we should pay the government to do a job they aren't constitutionally authorized to do and, that we should be doing as citizens.


Such as??

And, how were the people that wrote the Constitution over 200 years ago supposed to foresee what needs the country/states have in the future?




There are people that come here, from countries with socialized medicine. Tell me about America's inferior health care system when the river starts flowing the other way.



Provide some proof please.

There are stories all the time here in San Antonio about people who have to wait over 10 hours and sometimes upto or over a day to get somekind of service.

In my hometown, it was even worse.

[Yonivore]

Not true, at all.

I paid more taxes this year.
And, that's that I had a kid and had a tax credit for her!!!
Then, either your income went up or you don't know how to file your taxes.


Such as??

And, how were the people that wrote the Constitution over 200 years ago supposed to foresee what needs the country/states have in the future?
They were never supposed to contemplate the personal needs of people. That's the job of the people.


Provide some proof please.

There are stories all the time here in San Antonio about people who have to wait over 10 hours and sometimes upto or over a day to get somekind of service.

In my hometown, it was even worse.
There are people in the UK and Canada that have to wait months for life-saving procedures.

[Nbadan]

There are people in the UK and Canada that have to wait months for life-saving procedures.

Pffffffff...there are people in the U.S. who never get life-saving treatment,,,,

[peewee's lovechild]

Then, either your income went up or you don't know how to file your taxes.


Yea, I'm sure that's it.



They were never supposed to contemplate the personal needs of people. That's the job of the people.



Personal needs?
I said the needs of the Country or the state as a whole.



There are people in the UK and Canada that have to wait months for life-saving procedures.


Again, proof?

I'm still waiting for proof on your previous statements.

[xrayzebra]

Pffffffff...there are people in the U.S. who never get life-saving treatment,,,,

If they do exist dan, then it is their own fault. It is
available to them, at any hospital in the United States,
they cannot be turn away.

[Yonivore]

Yea, I'm sure that's it.
It's that or you're a liar. And, I didn't want to accuse you of lying. If you're paying more in taxes today than 2000, it's because your income went up or your an incompetent filer. So, which is it?


Personal needs?
I said the needs of the Country or the state as a whole.
A country can go broke doing things people should do for themselves and each other.


Again, proof?
Unable to Wait 16 Months for Orthopedic Surgery, Canadian Patient Goes to Cuba for Treatment (http://www.pr.com/press-release/54883)

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/reprint/174/9/1247.pdf

And, apparently, the Canadian Health Care system recognizes the problem you refuse to see:

Wait Times in Canada (http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/qual/acces/wait-attente/index_e.html)


I'm still waiting for proof on your previous statements.
Google, it's your friend.

[rascal]

I, and most Americans, are paying less in taxes (as a percentage of our income) than we were in 2000.




Your paying more for gas(includes gas taxes) and other items . So what the hell is the difference, your going to pay one way or another. You vote for someone because you think you will have more money? What ever you think you may save in taxes you pay with higher energy costs. The republicans are all for big business oil profits so you pay anyways.

[Yonivore]

Your paying more for gas(includes gas taxes) and other items . So what the hell is the difference, your going to pay one way or another. You vote for someone because you think you will have more money? What ever you think you may save in taxes you pay with higher energy costs.
I've saved more in taxes over the past 8 years than I've had to spend on increased consumer prices.

Can't help that your inefficient.


The republicans are all for big business oil profits so you pay anyways.
I'm for free enterprise.

[rascal]

I've saved more in taxes over the past 8 years than I've had to spend on increased consumer prices.

Can't help that your inefficient.


I'm for free enterprise.

You don't drive a car? How much have you saved? How much more you getting in your pay because a Republican is in the white house?

[boutons_]

McCain repeatedly made the same factual error about Shiite Iran helping Sunni Al Quaida. Sorta late in the terrorism game to be making mistakes about the big picture. We already have dubya as a big picture man who didn't bother with details (because he was too stupid) and delegated to criminal incompetents. McCain is panning out to be, like Reagan, mentally weak and confused, due to age or whatever else, with none of Reagan's or Obama's communications skillls.

otoh, Obama speaks the truth about everyday, pervasive profiling by common people towards the groups, many of them threatening, and he gets "gotcha'd" by the right wing attack dogs.

The "socialism" card is so fucking over-wrought and knee-jerk, but crony, criminal, unregulated corporatism and capitalism gets a free pass.

[Yonivore]

You don't drive a car? How much have you saved? How much more you getting in your pay because a Republican is in the white house?
First of all, gasoline taxes haven't been raised and second, if you want cheaper gas, allow the oil companies to explore domestically (read ANWR and Gulf of Mexico), build more refinery capacity; then, allow private enterprise to build nuclear power plants.

You also have to quit penalizing the big oil while, at the same time, insisting they develop alternative fuel technologies.

In short, tell your envirowhacko buddies to quit impeding progress...and, while your at it, disband the global climate change religion.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, quit hurting big oil -- they're in big trouble because of you!

[Doc Jerome]

The GOP is desperately trying to hold on to the last vestiges of ignorance it has over the American electorate. It will soon come to pass that their whole ideology will become obsolete.

[Yonivore]

The GOP is desperately trying to hold on to the last vestiges of ignorance it has over the American electorate. It will soon come to pass that their whole ideology will become obsolete.
What's ignorant is that people believe the oil companies have anything to do with the current price increases in gasoline.

scott explained this once before and he does a much better job than anyone on this board, but oil is a commodity and price is set, by the market, based on supply and demand...not by "big oil companies." Nobody whined for Exxon back when they were taking comparable losses in the 80's.

Other factors include refining capacity (pretty much unchanged in America over the past 3 decades) and market instability due to henny-pennies such at you Doc.

Gasoline would be cheaper if domestic oil fields went back into production and the huge reserves in Alaska and the Gulf were accesssed. Gasoline would be cheaper if we had enough refining capacity to meet the demand. Gasoline would be cheaper if alternatives, such as nuclear power, were allowed to come on line instead of being thwarted by the envirowhackos.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot; gasoline would be cheaper if not for the federally-manded boutique fuels required by the EPA in various areas of the country.

But, this discussion started because an idiot thought the government was making up for real tax cuts -- leading to a lower real effective tax rate for everyone -- by jacking up fuel prices.

[xrayzebra]

The GOP is desperately trying to hold on to the last vestiges of ignorance it has over the American electorate. It will soon come to pass that their whole ideology will become obsolete.

This said by the great Obama apologist, you know the
great uniter, who cant even say anything nice about his
own Grandmother. And has a minister who wants
God to damn America and claims the U.S. Government
developed AIDS to get rid of blacks. What a guy.


If we all abide by the dimm-o-crap credo we would all
have a mistress, let our roommates run a whore house in
our home and try and teach our girlfriends how to swim
when you drive off a bridge. And last but not least,
stay away from women who wear blue dresses.

[xrayzebra]

Your paying more for gas(includes gas taxes) and other items . So what the hell is the difference, your going to pay one way or another. You vote for someone because you think you will have more money? What ever you think you may save in taxes you pay with higher energy costs. The republicans are all for big business oil profits so you pay anyways.

But rascal, at least he had the option of spending it where
he wanted to. Not just hand it over to the government.
Hell of a difference, don't you think?

[Mr. Peabody]

If we all abide by the dimm-o-crap credo we would all
have a mistress....

If you abide by the Republican credo, your mistress would be some dude....

[xrayzebra]

If you abide by the Republican credo, your mistress would be some dude....

You want to tell Barney Frank that! He would be offended

[Doc Jerome]

I think the unwillingness of the American government to invest real money, that would make any real strides in developing alternative technologies in the late 1970's has brought us to this consequence. We are behind after having missed numerous opportunities to do so, not to mention, the amount of time lost since that initial non-investment. The solution is not just in fossil fuels, and not as simplistic as bio-fuels. It's all related to big oils resistance to anything but oil and natural gas.

[boutons_]

"their platform sucks and will mean higher taxes for all of us"

... skating right past the mind-boggling debt created by dubya's bogus war, and tax cuts for the super-rich and corps.

I read an article that said dubya's debt obligations will completely tie the hands of whoever wins in November.

socialism? America fucks itself up with unregulated capitalism and bullshit imperialism and bogus foreign wars.

[Doc Jerome]

This said by the great Obama apologist, you know the
great uniter, who cant even say anything nice about his
own Grandmother. And has a minister who wants
God to damn America and claims the U.S. Government
developed AIDS to get rid of blacks. What a guy.


If we all abide by the dimm-o-crap credo we would all
have a mistress, let our roommates run a whore house in
our home and try and teach our girlfriends how to swim
when you drive off a bridge. And last but not least,
stay away from women who wear blue dresses.

You sing the same old warped, tired song in spite of enlightened information to the contrary. You are showing just how flawed GOP thinking is by holding steadfast to ignorance and arcane thought processes against your minds desire to be more prudent. Your struggle is futile, because you wage a war against your own humanity.

You will continue to do something akin to this: :bang

[xrayzebra]

You sing the same old warped, tired song in spite of enlightened information to the contrary. You are showing just how flawed GOP thinking is by holding steadfast to ignorance and arcane thought processes against your minds desire to be more prudent. Your struggle is futile, because you wage a war against your own humanity.

You will continue to do something akin to this: :bang


Bet you got straight A's in English composition. Shame
they didn't teach you to put some content in all that
prose. :reading would help you a whole lot.

[Doc Jerome]

Bet you got straight A's in English composition. Shame
they didn't teach you to put some content in all that
prose. :reading would help you a whole lot.

Content like this, which proves the GOP to be married to an ideology and candidate with little to no grasp of fact nor reality?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6GBdyws5YU


:dizzy

[xrayzebra]

Content like this, which proves the GOP to be married to an ideology and candidate with little to no grasp of fact nor reality?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6GBdyws5YU


:dizzy

At least you had a picture to look at, but I thought he
corrected himself on the spot, or did you miss that part.
Or maybe he made a slip and said something he wasn't
suppose to reveal.

At least his foreign policy isn't surrender. Like the
dimm-o-craps.

[Doc Jerome]

At least you had a picture to look at, but I thought he
corrected himself on the spot, or did you miss that part.
Or maybe he made a slip and said something he wasn't
suppose to reveal.

At least his foreign policy isn't surrender. Like the
dimm-o-craps.

He did not correct himself, Lieberman corrected him. That's a whole lot of maybe this and maybe that in your response. It is apparent you missed a significant part, in spite of a visual. :fro

[JoeChalupa]

I think Obama used the wrong words to make his point. That is pretty much it.

[rascal]

What's ignorant is that people believe the oil companies have anything to do with the current price increases in gasoline.

scott explained this once before and he does a much better job than anyone on this board, but oil is a commodity and price is set, by the market, based on supply and demand...not by "big oil companies." Nobody whined for Exxon back when they were taking comparable losses in the 80's.

Other factors include refining capacity (pretty much unchanged in America over the past 3 decades) and market instability due to henny-pennies such at you Doc.

Gasoline would be cheaper if domestic oil fields went back into production and the huge reserves in Alaska and the Gulf were accesssed. Gasoline would be cheaper if we had enough refining capacity to meet the demand. Gasoline would be cheaper if alternatives, such as nuclear power, were allowed to come on line instead of being thwarted by the envirowhackos.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot; gasoline would be cheaper if not for the federally-manded boutique fuels required by the EPA in various areas of the country.

But, this discussion started because an idiot thought the government was making up for real tax cuts -- leading to a lower real effective tax rate for everyone -- by jacking up fuel prices.


Prices are rising because of uncompetitive actions by mega gas companies, not environmental regulations or lack of capacity.

The FTC concluded in March 2001 oil companies intentionally withhold supplies to drive up costs as a profit maximising tactic. 80% of big oil money campaign donations go to Republicans. The Republicans do not challenge the oil companies profit maximising strategies.

[Yonivore]

Prices are rising because of uncompetitive actions by mega gas companies, not environmental regulations or lack of capacity.

The FTC concluded in March 2001 oil companies intentionally withhold supplies to drive up costs as a profit maximising tactic. 80% of big oil money campaign donations go to Republicans. The Republicans do not challenge the oil companies profit maximising strategies.
A March 2001 report that concluded this occurred during the Clinton administration. A similar report in 2006 found no evidence of the practice during the current Republican administration.

Big oil only owns 50% of the refining capacity in America; the rest owned by non-oil entities. The reason capacity isn't being expanded is due to environmental restrictions and the costs associated with compliance.

[peewee's lovechild]

Big oil only owns 50% of the refining capacity in America; the rest owned by non-oil entities. The reason capacity isn't being expanded is due to environmental restrictions and the costs associated with compliance.

Investing in Hydrogen power could end all this.

And, before anyone says that it's not realistic, I believe Norway has already done this.

We have a bigger economy than Norway and if our government gives incentives we could definitely get this done.

Hydrogen is the future.
Oil is the past.

[rascal]

A March 2001 report that concluded this occurred during the Clinton administration. A similar report in 2006 found no evidence of the practice during the current Republican administration.

Big oil only owns 50% of the refining capacity in America; the rest owned by non-oil entities. The reason capacity isn't being expanded is due to environmental restrictions and the costs associated with compliance.

Not entirely true if you look further into it. The 2006 report was titled "Investigation of gasoline Price Manipulation and post Katrina Gasoline Price increases". It mainly dealt with price increases in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. It only looked at areas that may have been directly affected by the hurricane over a months time.

It found 15 cases of local or regional price gouging but no price gouging by the oil companies in the weeks following Hurricane Katrina. Some speculate on the findings since the commissioner of the FTC at the time was Deborah Majoras who was the point person for Chevron Texaco and Halliburton.

[xrayzebra]

Hillary weighs in on the discussion. And other interesting
remarks.


Clinton: Wright 'would not have been my pastor'
By Mike Wereschagin and David M. Brown
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, March 25, 2008



Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, in a wide-ranging interview today with Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reporters and editors, said she would have left her church if her pastor made the sort of inflammatory remarks Sen. Barack Obama's former pastor made.

"He would not have been my pastor," Clinton said. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."

Obama's lead in national polls has slipped since clips of the retired Rev. Jeremiah Wright began being played on national news programs. The uproar prompted Obama to give a wide-ranging speech on race in America a week ago. The Clinton campaign has refrained from getting involved in the controversy, but Clinton herself, responding to a question, denounced what she said was "hate speech."

"You know, I spoke out against Don Imus (who was fired from his radio and television shows after making racially insensitive remarks), saying that hate speech was unacceptable in any setting, and I believe that," Clinton said. "I just think you have to speak out against that. You certainly have to do that, if not explicitly, then implicitly by getting up and moving."

Clinton's 90-minute interview covered topics from pledged delegates to Iraq.

Among her statements this morning:

On saying last week that she landed under sniper fire during a trip to Bosnia in 1996, when she was first lady:

"I was sleep-deprived, and I misspoke."

• On superdelegates:

"The governor from Tennessee (Phil Bredesen) suggested that there be a convention of superdelegates, and I think that it is an intriguing idea. I have not considered it long enough to have an opinion on it."

On the possibility of Gov. Ed Rendell becoming her running mate:

"It's premature to say that I would have Gov. Rendell, but I have a lot of regard for the governor."

• On Social Security:

"We need to have a bipartisan commission much like President Reagan and Tip O'Neill had in the '80s where they worked together, and we have lived off of those efforts. But we need to do something now. One of the caveats that I would have is that people that are presently on Social Security or about to go on Social Security not be affected."

• On so-called earmarks, which are congressional appropriations to specific institutions:

"I am proud of my earmarks," she said sarcastically. "Part of the reason that I won New York by 67 percent are my earmarks."

Staff writer Salena Zito contributed to this report.

[xrayzebra]

The great uniter and his charitable side. He loves to help others,
just not with his money. Only yours and mine.

Print


Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income (Update1)

By Ryan J. Donmoyer and Julianna Goldman

March 25 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and his wife Michelle gave $10,772 of the $1.2 million they earned from 2000 through 2004 to charities, or less than 1 percent, according to tax returns for those years released today by his campaign.

The couple earned more than $2.6 million in 2005 and 2006, combined, after the Illinois senator published a bestselling book in 2005. They donated $137,622 over those two years and made their church, Trinity United Church of Christ, one of the biggest beneficiaries of their philanthropy, donating $27,500. Obama is under scrutiny for his ties to the church because of comments made by its senior pastor.

The Obamas' charitable giving history was revealed as he became the first presidential candidate to release his tax returns for the decade and called on his rival for the Democratic nomination, New York Senator Hillary Clinton, to do the same. Obama didn't release his 2007 return today.

``Releasing tax returns is a matter of routine, and we believe that the Clinton campaign should meet that standard and meet that routine standard now,'' said Robert Gibbs, Obama's communication director.

Bill Burton, a campaign spokesman, said the Obamas gave as much as they could afford.

``As new parents who were paying off their large student loans, giving $10,000 to charity was as generous as they could be at the time,'' Burton said.

Before April 15

Howard Wolfson, Clinton's communications director, said the campaign would release her tax information before April 15, the filing deadline for individuals. Arizona Senator John McCain, the presumed Republican nominee, hasn't released his tax returns.

Presidential candidates aren't required to release their tax returns, which by law are confidential. Most have chosen to do so since the early 1970s.

In 1998, then-Vice President Al Gore was criticized for donating only $353 to charity in 1997 despite earning $197,729. Gore, who was the 2000 Democratic nominee for president, responded by pointing to a history of philanthropy, including more than $50,000 in royalties from his book, ``Earth in the Balance.''

The Obama's giving pattern is consistent with that of most other Americans, said University of Georgia Professor Russell James, who has studied the issue.

`Par for the Course'

His analysis of more than 56,000 survey respondents from 1995-2005 found that 89 percent of donors give 2 percent or less of their after-tax income to charities, including their churches. Americans who earn more than $150,000 on average gave about 2.2 percent of their income.

``It's not shocking,'' James said of the Obamas' philanthropy. ``It's about par for the course for Americans.''

The Obamas' donations to all recipients totaled $2,350 in 2000, $1,470 in 2001, $1,050 in 2002, $3,400 in 2003, and $2,500 in 2004. They also paid federal taxes totaling $311,044 during the same period on their $1.2 million of income.

The Obamas' biggest gift in 2005 and 2006 combined was $31,000 to Atlanta-based CARE, an organization fighting global poverty.

The Obamas also gave $13,107 to the Congressional Black Caucus in 2006 as well as $5,000 to the Muntu Dance Theatre, where Michelle Obama serves on a capital campaign committee with Bob Nash, a deputy campaign manager for Clinton.

To contact the reporters on this story: Ryan J. Donmoyer at e-mail [email protected]; Julianna Goldman at [email protected]/
Last Updated: March 25, 2008 15:20 EDT

[Spawn]

Um, have people forgotten that Obama is as much White as he is Black genetically and he was raised by his White mother's side of the family? What's the problem here?

Oh damn I forgot... The whole "One drop rule" pretty much disqualify his White genes since White people apparently don't want to accept a biracial person as on of their own. My bad... continue this pointless drivel

[gtownspur]

Um, have people forgotten that Obama is as much White as he is Black genetically and he was raised by his White mother's side of the family? What's the problem here?

Oh damn I forgot... The whole "One drop rule" pretty much disqualify his White genes since White people apparently don't want to accept a biracial person as on of their own. My bad... continue this pointless drivel


why would one want to claim white if you cant say nagga.

[jochhejaam]

Um, have people forgotten that Obama is as much White as he is Black genetically and he was raised by his White mother's side of the family? What's the problem here?

Maybe he's ashamed of his White heritage. He had the chance to clarify the fact that he's bi-racial when Ferraro stated that he wouldn't be where he was if he weren't Black <actually, he can clarify it at anytime if he'd like>. All he had to say was, "hey, I'm just as White as I am Black".
But he didn't...

Everyone's aware of that...well, maybe he's forgotten.
Of course, that would make him a Tom, and cost him dearly with the Black solidarity voting bloc.



Oh damn I forgot... The whole "One drop rule" pretty much disqualify his White genes since White people apparently don't want to accept a biracial person as on of their own. My bad... continue this pointless drivel
The race card has been deployed. Original! Powerful! :dramaquee

What, 45 percent of Caucasians have voted for the Black candidate and 6 percent of Blacks have voted for the White candidate, yet it's the caucasians who have a problem with race...got it. :rolleyes
Makes perfect sense to those who find reason and logic challenging.



<and thanks for the nominal deposit of drivel. Difficult though it may be, try bringing something other than ignorance to the table>

[JoeChalupa]

All this BS is freakin' ridiculous. I want to know about the issues.
WGAF who somebody's pastor is? WGAF how much somebody gives to charity or not? Does any of this matter as to who should be our next president?
Seriously?
I watching Fox & Friends this morning and they had actor Corbin Bernsen on and I agree with what he had to say. He said he is a registered Republican but he doesn't like the fact that the republican has to use the "fear factor" to win an election and that the time is NOW for Barack Obama. He said he doesn't want to hear about someone's pastor or a incorrect statement made by a candidate. All candidates have been successful in their careers and I think are ready for the office of the President.

We need to concentrate on the issues and I agree with him that while I like McCain I don't agree that it is all about National Security.
I don't have any doubts that both Obama and Clinton will do everything to keep America safe. I also feel they are more in touch with the middle class and what America wants.
Enough of this petty squabling over crap that will not matter when it comes to who is in the Oval Office.
I don't give a crap about what people who endorse candidates think or say but what the candidate thinks and says.
There is no way we can get inside a candidate's head and know what they think but I give people the benefit of the doubt.

I'd like to leave you all to your petty arguments but I know I'll be drawn in because...well, I'm a political junkie and I think it is fun but in all seriousness, talking about non-issues in such an important time of our lives is foolish.

[JoeChalupa]

and the HC didn't just "misspeak"

she's embellished that bosnia story many, many times

That is true and I do feel she was trying to embelish her record but I don't think it has anything to do with her ability to be President.

Just like I don't think a few wrong statements by McCain do either.

I"m just tired of all the BS that people actually buy into when it comes to electing the President of the USA.

[JoeChalupa]

how dare obama say that racism exists!

and perhaps some critics might want to read or watch the whole speech before becoming self-righteously indignant (same goes for Wright's sermons, and hagee's for that matter)


I concur. :tu :tu

[xrayzebra]

That is true and I do feel she was trying to embelish her record but I don't think it has anything to do with her ability to be President.

Just like I don't think a few wrong statements by McCain do either.

I"m just tired of all the BS that people actually buy into when it comes to electing the President of the USA.

Joe, I agree there is a lot of BS, as always in any election.
But I could care less who wins the dimm-o-crap
nomination. Both candidates, Hillary and Obama, are
firebrand liberals and will be bad for the country. McCain
isn't too much better, but he is better. We cannot
afford either Hillary or Obama. That is a fact.

[JoeChalupa]

Joe, I agree there is a lot of BS, as always in any election.
But I could care less who wins the dimm-o-crap
nomination. Both candidates, Hillary and Obama, are
firebrand liberals and will be bad for the country. McCain
isn't too much better, but he is better. We cannot
afford either Hillary or Obama. That is a fact.

We don't need another 4 years of Bush policy either. And that is a fact.

[JoeChalupa]

And I mean the facts as WE see them.

[Spawn]

Maybe he's ashamed of his White heritage. He had the chance to clarify the fact that he's bi-racial when Ferraro stated that he wouldn't be where he was if he weren't Black <actually, he can clarify it at anytime if he'd like>. All he had to say was, "hey, I'm just as White as I am Black".
But he didn't...

Everyone's aware of that...well, maybe he's forgotten.
Of course, that would make him a Tom, and cost him dearly with the Black solidarity voting bloc.



The race card has been deployed. Original! Powerful! :dramaquee

What, 45 percent of Caucasians have voted for the Black candidate and 6 percent of Blacks have voted for the White candidate, yet it's the caucasians who have a problem with race...got it. :rolleyes
Makes perfect sense to those who find reason and logic challenging.



<and thanks for the nominal deposit of drivel. Difficult though it may be, try bringing something other than ignorance to the table>

Um guy, you are familiar who came up with the "One Drop Rule" concept aren't you?

[jochhejaam]

Um guy, you are familiar who came up with the "One Drop Rule" concept aren't you?
It's immaterial, I was responding to the overall tenor of your post.

[boutons_]

Typical right-wing distraction. Wright has nothing to do with Obama, nor with being president.

McCain asked Hagee for and got an endorsement.
Does that tar McCain as believing Hagee's crazy shit? And Parseley's, too?

dubya's economy is cratering,
dubya's Afghanistan is going hell and the Taleben,
dubya's destroyed Iraq is an unstable house of cards,

but the right-wing is screaming about a minister.