Story behind the story: The Clinton myth

[MannyIsGod]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html

I'd love to hear PeeWee's take.

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[peewee's lovechild]

I've said it again and again . . . neither candidate will have enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination.

It's all up the Super Delegates.

261 are uncommited and 71 are yet to be named.

So, it's all up to them.

[MannyIsGod]

Her own people know she can't win. But don't worry, continue tearing down Obama. Shows what the only thing that matters to Clinton is.

[peewee's lovechild]

Her own people know she can't win. But don't worry, continue tearing down Obama. Shows what the only thing that matters to Clinton is.

Will Obama be able to secure the nomination without the Super Delegates?

[MannyIsGod]

Has anyone said otherwise? You're the one that thinks Clinton is somehow going to get a majority of the remaining super delegates when she's hardly gotten any since super tuesday over a month ago.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Her own people know she can't win. But don't worry, continue tearing down Obama. Shows what the only thing that matters to Clinton is.

Just wait until Hillary goes to court to try and get Michigan and Florida to count.

[peewee's lovechild]

Has anyone said otherwise? You're the one that thinks Clinton is somehow going to get a majority of the remaining super delegates when she's hardly gotten any since super tuesday over a month ago.

It's extremely plausible that she'll a good chunk of the Super Delegates if she wins Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and several of the other states.

There's a lot at stake in Pennsylvania.

However, I will say that if she loses Penn, she's a lost cause.

[JoeChalupa]

Hillary still thinks she's owed the White House.

[MannyIsGod]

It's extremely plausible that she'll a good chunk of the Super Delegates if she wins Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and several of the other states.

There's a lot at stake in Pennsylvania.

However, I will say that if she loses Penn, she's a lost cause.She's not gaining in the super delegate race, she's LOSING in it and its a given at this point she's going to win PA. The super delegates see the writing on the wall. Obama got another today in case you missed the news of the Richardson Endorsement.

Is Over, Its BEEN over, and it will continue to be over regardless of what Clinton says.

[peewee's lovechild]

She's not gaining in the super delegate race, she's LOSING in it and its a given at this point she's going to win PA. The super delegates see the writing on the wall. Obama got another today in case you missed the news of the Richardson Endorsement.

Is Over, Its BEEN over, and it will continue to be over regardless of what Clinton says.


Hillary got Murhta yesterday, a very powerful Dem.

So, it's not over yet.

I'll admit to it when it's over, but it's not.

[boutons_]

"Hillary got Murhta yesterday"

he's a superdelegate? a single superdelegate? wgaf?

[peewee's lovechild]

"Hillary got Murhta yesterday"

he's a superdelegate? a single superdelegate? wgaf?

Obama got Richardson today?

he's a superdelegate? a single superdelegate? wgaf?

[MannyIsGod]

Obama got Richardson today?

he's a superdelegate? a single superdelegate? wgaf?Since Feb 5th

Obama +48 Super Delegates. Thats not really a single delegate.

Clinton? -5. LOL. Thats right, NEGATIVE five. Props.

[Yonivore]

As long as Hillary doesn't throw in the towell...yet...I'm happy.

[peewee's lovechild]

Since Feb 5th

Obama +48 Super Delegates. Thats not really a single delegate.

Clinton? -5. LOL. Thats right, NEGATIVE five. Props.


All I said was that she got Murtha.

I don't see how any of you would take offense at that.

Regardless of what any of you might say, as of today, it's just not over.

There are still Primaries left, there are still Super Delegates that have yet to chose their candidates.

When the Super Delegates make their choice, that's when it's over.

[peewee's lovechild]

Oh, and if you read my post it was about Obama getting Richardson "today".

I was basically mocking boutons for making that same remark about Murtha.

If you need me to draw it out for you, I will.

Just let me know.

[Yonivore]

the longer the dimmocrapic primary goes, the longer the excitement holds, and the more money they raise

i'd be wishing for it to be over yesterday, if i was youse
Nice try. Obama and Hillary are spending it as fast as they're raising it.

McCain is earning interest on his money, just waiting until he has an opponent.

[PixelPusher]

Nice try. Obama and Hillary are spending it as fast as they're raising it.

McCain is earning interest on his money, just waiting until he has an opponent.
A middling amount of campaign cash + 3 months of compound interest = still a middling amount of campaign cash.

Obama and Hillary each raked in over $30 million in February alone. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/obama-has-clear-money-adv_n_92861.html)

[florige]

As long as Hillary doesn't throw in the towell...yet...I'm happy.


Yeah I bet you are.

[Yonivore]

Yeah I bet you are.
That's a good bet.

[Yonivore]

A middling amount of campaign cash + 3 months of compound interest = still a middling amount of campaign cash.

Obama and Hillary each raked in over $30 million in February alone. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/obama-has-clear-money-adv_n_92861.html)
Obama Spends $1.5 Million a Day (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gg3OITQSrWEcjqDl0g47q7STLcugD8VHTJNO0)
Uh, that's about $45 million in March, alone.

[Yonivore]

crofl at yonivore

http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/feb-pres.gif
Hell, the race hasn't even started for McCain, yet.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

awww i didn't put my right handee on my lil hearty

[Yonivore]

crofl at yonivore

http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/feb-pres.gif
Hillary spend 88% of her Feb receipts, Obama spent 75%; whereas McCain spent and equivalent 75%.

Why drain your contributors now when they'll be more important after the Democrat bloodbath is over?

[Yonivore]

:spin
Having trouble with the concept?

[PixelPusher]

crofl at yonivore

http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/feb-pres.gif
If he can just delay the Democratic Convention for a couple of decades, this "compound interest" thing just might work...

[PixelPusher]

Hillary spend 88% of her Feb receipts, Obama spent 75%; whereas McCain spent and equivalent 75%.

Why drain your contributors now when they'll be more important after the Democrat bloodbath is over?
Yeah, all those corporations and limousine liberals that make up the bulk of Obama's contributors must have reach their limits by now...oh, wait...

[Yonivore]

the fact is

democrats are excited and giving money to clinton and obama
independents are excited about the democrats and giving money to clinton and obama
Latest poll says 20% of either candidates' supporters walk to McCain if their pick isn't the nominee.


mccain is not exciting, and repubs aren't giving money
We'll see.

[Yonivore]

personally, i think the big repub donors MIGHT wake up and start giving money, if mccain stoops to suck a little dick
If they don't want Obama or Clinton to be president, he won't have to "suck a little dick."


the evangelicals won't give him jack squat
The evangelicals will empty their pockets to keep Obama or Clinton out of the White House.


the diehard hill-ites or obamatards will stay at home rather than make the effort to vote for mccain. they certainly won't give him money
McCain was never my first pick but, I'll be voting for him in this election...to keep either Clinton or Obama out of the White House.


all in all, either clinton or obama will have a lot mas dinero than mccain to spend on tv commercials to sway the nonthinking masses come november time
Are you not paying attention? They're spending what they make.

[Yonivore]

people don't turn out to vote AGAINST someone
There's never been a Hillary or an Obama before.


and they certainly won't give money to someone they don't like because they don't like someone else even more
That may be true in the primaries.


that's just recockulous
We'll see. I've been wrong before.

[smeagol]

pimpo 's coming up with a new language: interneteese

[George Gervin's Afro]

To all of you obama nut huggers..He isn't winning the general election..For that matter Hillary isn' either..

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200803/POL20080321a.html

dumb asses.. The Obama nut huggers are making my possible vote for mccain an easy choice... but,but,but Obama is a uniter..give me a break.. he's been such a uniter that 20% of clinton voters are running from him... he can't even unite the deomcratic party and all we hear from his lovers that he's a uniter! what a freaking joke :rolleyes

[George Gervin's Afro]

Her own people know she can't win. But don't worry, continue tearing down Obama. Shows what the only thing that matters to Clinton is.


nice job manny.. now that obama handed Florida and Michigan to mccain his miniscule chance to win the general election is gone.. great strategy.. but,but, it's clinton's fault...

[MannyIsGod]

nice job manny.. now that obama handed Florida and Michigan to mccain his miniscule chance to win the general election is gone.. great strategy.. but,but, it's clinton's fault...Yes, Obama first voted to move up the elections in violation of DNC rules. Then, after he di that he impersenated Clinton when she aggreed the results would not count. THEN he mind controlled the DNC and the state legislatures of both states and made sure there were no revotes.

Fuck, those are the facts.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yes, Obama first voted to move up the elections in violation of DNC rules. Then, after he di that he impersenated Clinton when she aggreed the results would not count. THEN he mind controlled the DNC and the state legislatures of both states and made sure there were no revotes.

Fuck, those are the facts.


Well facts will cost him the election.. doesn't that suck. I love the explanation but are you going to explain that to the voters in those states? Obama is now getting hurt in each of those states because of his stance..shrewd move.. :rolleyes

[smeagol]

Hillary supporters accusing Obama of dividing the party :lol

That is fucking rich!

GGA, there isn't a bigger polarizing figure in American politics than Hillary Clinton.

You're claiming 20% of her voters are running away from Obama? Go check how many Obama voters are running away from Hillary if she wins . . .

[MannyIsGod]

Well facts will cost him the election.. doesn't that suck. I love the explanation but are you going to explain that to the voters in those states? Obama is now getting hurt in each of those states because of his stance..shrewd move.. :rolleyesYou should go make a bunch of money by putting your money where your mouth is and laying huge bets on McCain to win the election, IMO.

[MannyIsGod]

FWIW, If you make a comment torwards me regarding a possible outcomes in the general expect to get a smart ass answer back everytime prior to the conventions. I don't care what you say, you can't even begin to grasp what the outcome of that election is until a much later date so why start now unless you're trying to make yourself look completely clueless.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Hillary supporters accusing Obama of dividing the party :lol

That is fucking rich!

GGA, there isn't a bigger polarizing figure in American politics than Hillary Clinton.

You're claiming 20% of her voters are running away from Obama? Go check how many Obama voters are running away from Hillary if she wins . . .


So then we both can agree that neither of them have a chance in the general election? don't play stupid...you just proved my point.

[Wild Cobra]

Will Obama be able to secure the nomination without the Super Delegates?
No. Neither of them can without the superficials.


A middling amount of campaign cash + 3 months of compound interest = still a middling amount of campaign cash.

Obama and Hillary each raked in over $30 million in February alone. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/obama-has-clear-money-adv_n_92861.html)

So what. I've been meaning to look something very important up...

How much money is not going to the DNC because people are contributing to Hellary or Obama instead? I hear the DNC is basically broke. How will they raise enough money to field candidates in 50 states while liberals are throwing money to the primaries still?

What are the GOP vs. DNC money numbers?

This could be a GOP blowout in November! Large numbers of demonrats may get their walking papers because the republicans will be able to out spend them.

[smeagol]

So then we both can agree that neither of them have a chance in the general election? don't play stupid...you just proved my point.

I was not discussing "that" point with you. Manny was.

Ergo, I'm not playing stupid.

[peewee's lovechild]

No. Neither of them can without the superficials.


That was my point.

[Don Quixote]

This could be a GOP blowout in November! Large numbers of demonrats may get their walking papers because the republicans will be able to out spend them.

Hmm. not sure I share your optimism. While this Congress has not exactly lit it up, it's still a bad time to be a Republican in Washington. An unpopular war and a possible recession will likely prevent the GOP from making many gains in Congress. The Presidency, however, is another matter. I think McCain has a fighter's chance of winning this thing, provided he attacks his opponent on (generally speaking) (1) homeland security, (2) national defense, and (3) domestic spending. He might also play the "values" card.

I'm not predicting a McCain victory, but he has a good shot.

[Wild Cobra]

Hmm. not sure I share your optimism. While this Congress has not exactly lit it up, it's still a bad time to be a Republican in Washington. An unpopular war and a possible recession will likely prevent the GOP from making many gains in Congress. The Presidency, however, is another matter. I think McCain has a fighter's chance of winning this thing, provided he attacks his opponent on (generally speaking) (1) homeland security, (2) national defense, and (3) domestic spending. He might also play the "values" card.

I'm not predicting a McCain victory, but he has a good shot.
Well, money does play a factor in getting information and propaganda out. Right now, so much money is being spent by the democrats supporting either Hellery or Obama, I think it will have a dramatic effect on how much people spend to support demonrats in the general election. They may feel tapped out.

I believe this to be unspoken reason to keep the primary going. Under the guise of just keeping them at each others throats, and keeping the delegate counts similar, anyone who has above average intelligence (mostly conservatives) understands how this massive spending the liberals have to keep up has to take a toll as well.

How much money will liberals and democrats spend that they cannot then spend for the general election?

We conservatives can be devious!

[RandomGuy]

Her own people know she can't win. But don't worry, continue tearing down Obama. Shows what the only thing that matters to Clinton is.

That has been my observation, as well.

She is willing to do or say anything to win.

Ultimately that is what sets them apart.

Obama supporters can tell you why you should vote for Obama.

Hillary supporters can tell you why you shouldn't vote for Obama.

There is the difference. It is subtle, but think about it.

[RandomGuy]

No. Neither of them can without the superficials.



So what. I've been meaning to look something very important up...

How much money is not going to the DNC because people are contributing to Hellary or Obama instead? I hear the DNC is basically broke. How will they raise enough money to field candidates in 50 states while liberals are throwing money to the primaries still?

What are the GOP vs. DNC money numbers?

This could be a GOP blowout in November! Large numbers of demonrats may get their walking papers because the republicans will be able to out spend them.


Two words:

George f***ing Bush.

Fair or not, the republican party will be saddled with his failed, incompetant presidency, and the likely nasty recession that we are going to have by the time the elections roll around.

This is McCain's fate, no matter who gets the nod. Anger and disapppointment towards Bush has energized the Democratic parties in quite a few states.

I think the record turnout for the Democratic primaries is a harbringer of what is going to happen in the general election.

There is even (gasp) some talk of Texas going blue...

Heh, I think that is unlikely, but remotely possible. It would be funny, if so.

Demographically, the fastest growing segments of Texas tend to be those that vote Democrat. I expect that Texas as a whole will be more "in play" over the coming two decades than some would think.

[RandomGuy]

You should go make a bunch of money by putting your money where your mouth is and laying huge bets on McCain to win the election, IMO.

http://www.intrade.com/

You can actually do exactly that at the above website. They call it futures contracts. There are a few websites out there that do similar, but this seems to be the most popular. Hell, I will be signing up for this and putting my money on the Dems to win the presidency, so any of you out there who dislike me, can take my money, if you are really convinced about it, and buy futures on the GOP... :lol


As of now, the consensus is that Barack Obama has about an 80% chance of winning the nomination.

Further, the Democratic party is given a 60% chance of winning the presidency, no matter who gets the nod, and a 90% chance of keeping the House, with a 90% chance of keeping control of the senate.

That last will likely change a bit, after the Democratic convention, one way or the other.