Jason Kidd Trade was a disaster

[mavs>spurs2]

You are just same as typical Rocket fan like say most fan have no basketball mind. Spanoulis is great player and it really not matter what stupid coach or fan think. Just like it not matter Manu draft as 57 player in NBA draft.

NBA is so "smart" they think Manu only good enough be 2nd last player be draft.


Spanoulis consider Popovich very good coach

Popovich also doesn't think much of Spanoulis and didn't want him on his team. It's not just Me, Van Gundy, or any other "stupid Americans" who feel this way.

[mavs>spurs2]

Supposedly he wants to go to Miami. But if he can be had, Cuban better be offering everything but Dirk to get him.

Just a question, would you do Howard for Brand straight up? Keep in mind that we could maybe include Terry in the package and get Magette as well.

[Indazone]

Popovich also doesn't think much of Spanoulis and didn't want him on his team. It's not just Me, Van Gundy, or any other "stupid Americans" who feel this way.

boy you are really reaching there but that's ok. Every player has their hatas.

[ElNono]

Why is Avery trying to change potential HOF players? Dirk will never be a dominant post guy, it's not b/c he's "unwilling" to it's b/c it's not his game. Kidd will never flourish in an ISO heavy offense where the defense is able to sag off him continually and dare him to shoot. IMO, maybe Avery should change his system to work around his players, instead of trying to mold Dirk into a poor man's Duncan and Kidd into a poor man's Nash.

If The Mavs are smart, they will uproot their roster this offseason, they're not ever going to win with Dampier as their only C and Stackhouse as their starting SG, not to mention Avery as the coach.

Because that's how it works in the NBA. If you hire Nellie, then you know you need to retool your roster to play small ball. You don't try to change Nellie to play something else. That's his system and you mold your team to the coach's system. Perhaps the only exception to that has been D'Antoni, that retooled the Sun's offense to be more inclusive of a post play with Shaq. But then, you need a very good post player to force that change.
Avery's system is the Spurs's system. That's what he knows. So he's going to try to make Dirk a post player, because Cuban seems unable to get him a real post player.
So perhaps part of the solution is to fire Avery. But the problem is, any of the other fairly good available coaches out there are pretty much defensive guys: Larry Brown, Rick Carslile, Jeff Van Gundy... I think any of those guys would pretty much want to play with a system similar to the Spurs too, so what do you do?

[mavs>spurs2]

boy you are really reaching there but that's ok. Every player has their hatas.

If coach Pop wanted him on the team then why wasn't a deal reached? I just can't understand why no team wants such a Michael Jordan level talent, it just blows my mind.

[Indazone]

If coach Pop wanted him on the team then why wasn't a deal reached? I just can't understand why no team wants such a Michael Jordan level talent, it just blows my mind.

Don't you read the papers? Vspan was pissed off by his entire NBA Rockets experience he didn't want to play anymore in the NBA. He left to go back to take care of sick mother who really was sick.

[mavs>spurs2]

Don't you read the papers? Vspan was pissed off by his entire NBA Rockets experience he didn't want to play anymore in the NBA. He left to go back to take care of sick mother who really was sick.

No I really don't pay much attention to bullshit articles about players who will never have an impact on the NBA. Poor wittle Billy couldn't get any playing time so he cried his way back to Europe where people like Kill_Bill still idolize him.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Popovich also doesn't think much of Spanoulis and didn't want him on his team. It's not just Me, Van Gundy, or any other "stupid Americans" who feel this way.

Popovich ask him to please stay on team. You say thing which are not true like say I see some Mavericks fans is same as most Rockets fans. Spurs have some dumb fans but most of them is much smarter than most Rocket fan and I see Maverick fans in topic here sound same way of "basketball knowledge" as most those Rocket fans :rolleyes

Maybe this because coach like Johnson who just like Van Gundy have also brain wash fans of Dallas same way Van Gundy do with fans of Houston.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

No I really don't pay much attention to bullshit articles about players who will never have an impact on the NBA. Poor wittle Billy couldn't get any playing time so he cried his way back to Europe where people like Kill_Bill still idolize him.
:blah

You should be Rockets fan you just like most of them on the clutch fans. Billy is not idolize in Europe not even in Greece. These type of statement just show you are person who never go to Europe and will never know anything about it. But you like talk like you know all bout it. As I say Ugly American syndrome :rolleyes

[mavs>spurs2]

Popovich ask him to please stay on team. You say thing which are not true like say I see some Mavericks fans is same as most Rockets fans. Spurs have some dumb fans but most of them is much smarter than most Rocket fan and I see Maverick fans in topic here sound same way of "basketball knowledge" as most those Rocket fans :rolleyes

Maybe this because coach like Johnson who just like Van Gundy have also brain wash fans of Dallas same way Van Gundy do with fans of Houston.

People in Dallas are screaming fire Avery. What you're saying is totally innacurate, Avery is a poor example of a coach to use to make your point.

[mavs>spurs2]

:blah

You should be Rockets fan you just like most of them on the clutch fans. Billy is not idolize in Europe not even in Greece. These type of statement just show you are person who never go to Europe and will never know anything about it. But you like talk like you know all bout it. As I say Ugly American syndrome :rolleyes

Maybe he isn't idolized even in his home country because he's not as good as you seem to think.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Maybe he isn't idolized even in his home country because he's not as good as you seem to think.

Do you not understand basic things? There is MANY teams in Greece. There is no such thing as fan of other team idolize best player of best team in country.

You think all fans idolize best player on best team in NBA? You sure all fans of all teams do this "idolize" of best player of best team? :spin

[mavs>spurs2]

Manu Ginobili, now that's a real player, loved by Spur fans and idolized in Argentina because he's actually accomplished something.

[mavs>spurs2]

Do you not understand basic things? There is MANY teams in Greece. There is no such thing as fan of other team idolize best player of best team in country.

You think all fans idolize best player on best team in NBA? You sure all fans of all teams do this "idolize" of best player of best team? :spin

Well I know most intelligent NBA fans at least respect how good Kobe is and acknowledge that he is the best basketball player on Earth, not to mention he's entertaining to watch. Now does that make me a Laker fan? Not even close

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

People in Dallas are screaming fire Avery. What you're saying is totally innacurate, Avery is a poor example of a coach to use to make your point.

Good for you. At least Dallas fan actual understand these coach suck. Advice to you fans of Dallas. If fan are suggest to hire Van Gundy do not hire him. Big mistake. He is Johnson except one difference he is much worse than him at make game adjustment in playoff.

[DaDakota]

I like how DaDakota refuses to answer questions when he knows he is wrong.

He isn't about intelligent discussion like he claims, he's all about trolling. What a little bitch.

I am still waiting on you to post something intelligent to discuss.

I have made my case, the trade was bad because Kidd doesn't fit....and the record since the trade has proven my point.

You on the other hand just like to troll and curse at people, how unclassy of you.

As for JVG....the guy is the most overated coach in NBA history.....he has no clue how to make adjustments at all, and for the record...for those of you whining about Avery, he outcoached JVG in the playoffs after the Rockets were up 2-0 and going home for the next 2 games.

That should tell you all you need to know about him.

Kill Bill is exaggreating about FIBA ball, but he is somewhat right about V-Span the guy would be a very good NBA PG if given the right opportunity.


DD

[monosylab1k]

I am still waiting on you to post something intelligent to discuss.

I have made my case, the trade was bad because Kidd doesn't fit....and the record since the trade has proven my point.

You on the other hand just like to troll and call people names......brilliant....

DD
Sorry, you don't get to dictate discussion. Answer my question, troll.

[DaDakota]

Sorry, you don't get to dictate discussion. Answer my question, troll.
LOL - no you prove that Kidd doesn't dominate the ball, I already said he did, and that it adversly effected Josh Howards game....

But you refuse to listen to logic, keep playing that violin as the Mavs ship sinks...

DD

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Well I know most intelligent NBA fans at least respect how good Kobe is and acknowledge that he is the best basketball player on Earth, not to mention he's entertaining to watch. Now does that make me a Laker fan? Not even close

Then why use word "idolize"? Let me explain. Rocket fan and Dallas fan not like each other.

Similar rivalry in Greek league is Olympiacos and Panathinaikos both team play in Athens so even closer than Dallas and Houston rivalry. Difference is in NBA fan may say some things or mock player and such. In Greece this is like WAR.

Just last game yesterday between Olympiacos and Panathinaikos Spanoulis get hit by 15 rocks during game and one of them cut his face. he also spit on 3 time during game and is have beer and the soda throw on him. This is normal.

Fans are ALLOW do such thing. he also get hit by some coin during game. 200 arm police in stadium to keep fan of different team from each other. Game play in 15,000 seat stadium and ONLY 1000 fans let in stadium because of "riot danger" :blah Only 500 fan for each team! Each side get 100 riot cop with gun "watch them".

Each fan escort in building one at time! :spin

You actual think US and Argentina is same culture as Greece? :drunk :smokin

[DaDakota]

That is because the Rockets have won championships while the Mavs have won....uh.....well....uh.......nothing.

DD

[ElNono]

Good for you. At least Dallas fan actual understand these coach suck. Advice to you fans of Dallas. If fan are suggest to hire Van Gundy do not hire him. Big mistake. He is Johnson except one difference he is much worse than him at make game adjustment in playoff.

Van Gundy is a great coach. He might not be in the upper echelon as the Pop's or Phil's out there, but he definitely gave the Rockets a defensive personality, and did a fairly good job of surrounding Yao with people that made him become the NBA force he is nowadays.
Now, that he didn't like V-Span or some other player, that's a different story. Larry Brown is undisputedly another great coach and we all know he basically do not play rookies, and had a lot of issues with players because of that. Having talent is not enough. Sometimes you need to be lucky too.

[DaDakota]

I worked at KSAT-12 with Greg Simmons and Paul Alexander in the Sports department back when Larry Brown was the Spurs coach, he was the most arrogant man I have ever met.

A micromangment nutcase, I know he won one championship but I think his days on the NBA sidelines are well past him.....

Glad for that.

DD

[monosylab1k]

LOL - no you prove that Kidd doesn't dominate the ball, I already said he did, and that it adversly effected Josh Howards game....
what evidence do you have of this? When Howard was in a slump and his back was affecting him? When he was dealing with personal issues? Jason Kidd is responsible for all that?

As has already been said, you were dead wrong in saying that Kidd dominates the ball on offense because he doesn't - in fact, most Mavs fans biggest complaint about Kidd is that he doesn't dominate the ball enough.

EVERY MAVS FAN HERE will say that Kidd plays the iso offense the way it's always been played, by taking it past half-court and then dumping it off to Dirk or Josh. You know why they'd say that? BECAUSE THEY WATCH THE GAMES.

You obviously don't watch Mavs games or know what you're talking about because if you did, you would never have made this completely obtuse and ignorant statement.

And this isn't the first time. Someone on this board who has contacts INSIDE THE MAVS ORGANIZATION refuted another one of your absurd claims and you refused to accept that as well. Either admit you're wrong on this and move on or just admit you're a troll that isn't interested in "intelligent discussion".

[Indazone]

Van Gundy is a great coach. He might not be in the upper echelon as the Pop's or Phil's out there, but he definitely gave the Rockets a defensive personality, and did a fairly good job of surrounding Yao with people that made him become the NBA force he is nowadays.
Now, that he didn't like V-Span or some other player, that's a different story. Larry Brown is undisputedly another great coach and we all know he basically do not play rookies, and had a lot of issues with players because of that. Having talent is not enough. Sometimes you need to be lucky too.

LOL you're joking right? Player after former player are pissed off with JVG. exception might be Jon Barry.

[DaDakota]

Mono,

Watch the game tonight, the difference in what I am talking about is that when Kidd does dump it off, and it is a LOT LESS than Harris did, the teams can easily double off of Kidd because he is NOT a threat.

Whereas with Harris he would cut or fade to the 3pt line and teams would still have to account for him.

The bottom line is that Kidd is worse for the Mavericks current Roster than Harris.

The only one that will benefit from Kidd for the most part is Dirk, the others all play with the ball in their hands are are NOT mostly catch and shoot players.

Thus....it is a much different type of game, and the chemistry doesn't work.

THUS THEY ARE WORSE....as proven by their terrible record since the trade.

Trade failed !!!
DD

[ElNono]

I worked at KSAT-12 with Greg Simmons and Paul Alexander in the Sports department back when Larry Brown was the Spurs coach, he was the most arrogant man I have ever met.

A micromangment nutcase, I know he won one championship but I think his days on the NBA sidelines are well past him.....

Glad for that.

DD

He is a prick, no question about it. However, he's done it at the College level ('88 NCAA) and at the Pro level ('04 Pistons). The guy has 25 playoff appearances in 26 seasons as coach. He's a very good coach.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I am still waiting on you to post something intelligent to discuss.

I have made my case, the trade was bad because Kidd doesn't fit....and the record since the trade has proven my point.

You on the other hand just like to troll and curse at people, how unclassy of you.

As for JVG....the guy is the most overated coach in NBA history.....he has no clue how to make adjustments at all, and for the record...for those of you whining about Avery, he outcoached JVG in the playoffs after the Rockets were up 2-0 and going home for the next 2 games.

That should tell you all you need to know about him.

Kill Bill is exaggreating about FIBA ball, but he is somewhat right about V-Span the guy would be a very good NBA PG if given the right opportunity.


DD

I know Euroleague is not as good as NBA but I have issue with top level FIBA not give proper credit. Top level FIBA is not same as Euroleague. Spanish national team, Argentine national team, Greek national team, US national team, Lithuania, Russia probably best teams.

This top level of FIBA like final four of World Championship or final four of European championship (please not say Americas championship that is crap level) or Olympics. Final four of these is just as good as NBA better if consider against team US.

This high level of FIBA is talk about like it joke by American NBA fan. Look at post here. Either you are crazy person or just liar if believe final four at such FIBA national team level is joke compare to NBA.

As for Spanouli he play in championship game at World Championship against Spain, he play at final four in World Championship against team US and have 22 point and 6 assist off bench 15 point 5 assist off bench in 4 quarter. He is best player on court in game with player such as Wade, Lebron, Chris Paul, Amare, Dwight Howard, Elton Brand and them.

He have won 2005 European championship and 2nd in World Championship. He play in final four of 2007 European championship and he have 24 point and 5 assist in game. He is easy best player on court in game against players like Pao Gasol, Juan Carlos Navarro, Rudy Fernadez, Jose Calderon, Sergrio Rodrigues and them.

So yes it is just arrogant US craps that other countries have to keep hear how they "suck" at basketball and their players "suck" at basketball when in final four level of top FIBA competition they are as good or better for some country and some player than US player and team is. It is just this and nothing more than arrogance.

[mavsfan1000]

Mono,

Watch the game tonight, the difference in what I am talking about is that when Kidd does dump it off, and it is a LOT LESS than Harris did, the teams can easily double off of Kidd because he is NOT a threat.

Whereas with Harris he would cut or fade to the 3pt line and teams would still have to account for him.

The bottom line is that Kidd is worse for the Mavericks current Roster than Harris.

The only one that will benefit from Kidd for the most part is Dirk, the others all play with the ball in their hands are are NOT mostly catch and shoot players.

Thus....it is a much different type of game, and the chemistry doesn't work.

THUS THEY ARE WORSE....as proven by their terrible record since the trade.

Trade failed !!!
DD
I agree man. It is depressing seeing us get destroyed in a trade. Huge difference between Harris and Kidd when they don't have the ball. No one respects Kidd's shooting and slashing while they will keep a close look on Harris's ability to move without the ball. Harris has fresh legs and it shows as Kidd looks sluggish a lot of the time.

[monosylab1k]

Watch the game tonight
I watch every Mavs game. You don't. Fuck off with your condescending bullshit. You were the one claiming Kidd dominates the ball, that Harris was better because he let Josh & Dirk create offense. Now that you've been proven wrong you're claiming that Kidd's problem is that he dumps it off and can't shoot. Everybody knows that's the problem. You're offering no insight whatsoever when you say that.

But you were ABSOLUTELY WRONG in your claim that Kidd dominates the ball and doesn't let Dirk & Josh create offense on their own. And now you refuse to admit it.

You can have whatever opinion of the Kidd trade that you want, but don't go telling fans who watch every game how the Mavs run their offense when you're completely wrong, and don't go acting like you know what's going on in the Dallas front office when there's people IN THE KNOW who are telling you otherwise.

No Mavs fan is insisting they know more about the Rockets than any Rockets fans. But for whatever reason Rocket Troll here has to act like an arrogant prick telling Mavs fans he knows more about the Mavs than they do. I'm done with this fucking troll.

[DaDakota]

Condescending? Man are you one sensitive cow.

I mean sheesh, we are on a message board and discussing basketball and you are the one wratcheting up the BS, and tossing around names like there is no tomorrow.

And, instead of discussing all you do is go..."NO YOU ARE WRONG" and then call someone a name.

No actual discussion, just typical troll BS....

I am not surprised though, I am sure Mavs fans are having a very difficult time winning without Dirk and even when he was there losing with Kidd.....

No big deal, time will prove me right.....it usually does.

And I watch a good number of Mavs games too, rooting for them to lose...

:D

DD

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Van Gundy is a great coach. He might not be in the upper echelon as the Pop's or Phil's out there, but he definitely gave the Rockets a defensive personality, and did a fairly good job of surrounding Yao with people that made him become the NBA force he is nowadays.
Now, that he didn't like V-Span or some other player, that's a different story. Larry Brown is undisputedly another great coach and we all know he basically do not play rookies, and had a lot of issues with players because of that. Having talent is not enough. Sometimes you need to be lucky too.

I not agree Van Gundy is good coach. He have 2 plays on offense. Give ball T-Mac and let him shoot or pass to you then you shoot or give ball to Yao and let him shoot or pass to you then you shoot. In fact if any player dare not run only these two play he be "doggie house".

If you think such thing make "great coach" this is opinion you have but any person who understand game of basketball will laugh at this opinion. I see many fan of Spurs on forum here say Popovich respect Van Gundy and say he is great coach. Maybe fan here not understand what type person van Gundy is and maybe Popovich do?

Van Gundy have some mental disorder the Napoleon disorder. Popovich can say what he want but he obvious not know what type person he is talk about.

[mavsfan1000]

I watch every Mavs game. You don't. Fuck off with your condescending bullshit. You were the one claiming Kidd dominates the ball, that Harris was better because he let Josh & Dirk create offense. Now that you've been proven wrong you're claiming that Kidd's problem is that he dumps it off and can't shoot. Everybody knows that's the problem. You're offering no insight whatsoever when you say that.

But you were ABSOLUTELY WRONG in your claim that Kidd dominates the ball and doesn't let Dirk & Josh create offense on their own. And now you refuse to admit it.

You can have whatever opinion of the Kidd trade that you want, but don't go telling fans who watch every game how the Mavs run their offense when you're completely wrong, and don't go acting like you know what's going on in the Dallas front office when there's people IN THE KNOW who are telling you otherwise.

No Mavs fan is insisting they know more about the Rockets than any Rockets fans. But for whatever reason Rocket Troll here has to act like an arrogant prick telling Mavs fans he knows more about the Mavs than they do. I'm done with this fucking troll.
Kidd dominating the ball is the only way that he can be effective as like I said already, teams will leave him open and don't respect his slashing ability enough. This makes isolation plays tougher on Howard. My theory on why he is struggling. Spacing is worse now. I'll give it to Kidd that his defense is actually pretty good but he actually hurts our offense. We were just fine at the point guard but the 2 guard position is what we needed to upgrade.

[monosylab1k]

Kidd dominating the ball is the only way that he can be effective as like I said already, teams will leave him open and don't respect his slashing ability enough.
Absolutely right. The team needs to run more motion and let Kidd create for others, instead of Kidd dumping it off and planting himself at the 3-point line and let the team play 4 on 5.

The whole point is that Rocket Troll is saying that Kidd dominates the ball and doesn't let Josh or Dirk create offense, which is completely and utterly false, because Kidd is deferring to Josh & Dirk so much that it's hurting the team.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Condescending? Man are you one sensitive cow.

I mean sheesh, we are on a message board and discussing basketball and you are the one wratcheting up the BS, and tossing around names like there is no tomorrow.

And, instead of discussing all you do is go..."NO YOU ARE WRONG" and then call someone a name.

No actual discussion, just typical troll BS....

I am not surprised though, I am sure Mavs fans are having a very difficult time winning without Dirk and even when he was there losing with Kidd.....

No big deal, time will prove me right.....it usually does.

And I watch a good number of Mavs games too, rooting for them to lose...

:D

DD


Not get trouble by him. Read thing he write and also how he says such thing. he is same exact type fan as the Sam Fisher of the clutch site.

[DaDakota]

Well Mono, that is your opinion, and I have spoken mine.....of course I did it with a lot less cursing and name calling whereas you were pretty trollish, but hey, you can take consolation in knowing that the Mavs beat the Rockets 3-1 in this season's series, of course that was with Devin Harris at the point, but....hey maybe a 36 year old Kidd with bad knees will come in and suddenly discover a jump shot.

But, I doubt it.....Cuban blew it...and you Mavs fans will pay, and the Rockets are just starting their run.......life is good.

And Kill Bill I see the similarities, I wish this board would boot people who talk like that, it shows a serious lack of intelligence.

DD

[Evan]

it was a wash

[RonMexico]

Honestly, no one answered me: who is Jason Kidd?

[monosylab1k]

Did someone say something? Probably not worth reading.

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/252/dadakotakd0.png

[DaDakota]

Awesome, one less troll to worry about.....I respect most people who want to discuss ball, but cursing someone out, and basically being rude is inexcusable.

Good Riddance Monosylab1k, glad to have hardly known ya.

DD

[mavsfan1000]

Awesome, one less troll to worry about.....I respect most people who want to discuss ball, but cursing someone out, and basically being rude is inexcusable.

Good Riddance Monosylab1k, glad to have hardly known ya.

DD

[DaDakota]

He won't be able to avoid it.....he is too sensitive....lol, thanks for the quote Mavsfan1000.

Cue the angry curse word filled retort.....which will sound like...

WAH .....WAH.....WAH......I know more about the Mavs.....Wah....wah....wah......no one can have a different opinion about my team...wah...wah....wah.....

:D

DD

[tlongII]

I'd have to say the Kidd trade was a disaster for the Mavs. Kidd has always been overrated imo. I don't get the fascination with a point guard that can't shoot. And to trade an up and coming prospect like Harris for an over-the-hill Kidd is mind-boggling.

[monosylab1k]

I'd have to say the Kidd trade was a disaster for the Mavs. Kidd has always been overrated imo. I don't get the fascination with a point guard that can't shoot. And to trade an up and coming prospect like Harris for an over-the-hill Kidd is mind-boggling.
I respect your opinion. It certainly has some validity.

And thank you for not acting like you're an expert on the Dallas Mavericks and then immediately claiming the Mavs don't let Josh Howard create his shot when anybody who watches the Mavericks would know otherwise.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I'd have to say the Kidd trade was a disaster for the Mavs. Kidd has always been overrated imo. I don't get the fascination with a point guard that can't shoot. And to trade an up and coming prospect like Harris for an over-the-hill Kidd is mind-boggling.

Yes this how I see too. But word disaster is strong word. This team have Dirk and also very good role players and Howard is good player. Kidd is very experience point guard. It not disaster it just not trade that make team so much better.

[monosylab1k]

and mavsfan1000, why don't you take your long-suffering history as a 4 year long Mavs fan, your hate of Michael Finley and stupid assertion that he was never that good, and go fuck yourself, mkay?

[DaDakota]

I respect your opinion. It certainly has some validity.

And thank you for not acting like you're an expert on the Dallas Mavericks and then immediately claiming the Mavs don't let Josh Howard create his shot when anybody who watches the Mavericks would know otherwise.

Oh, now he tries to play nice, must have taken the bi-polar medicine. Funny how he thinks I claimed to be an expert...hardly, I just stated my case as to why they are struggling post trade.

He just doesn't agree....so he hides, like a coward.


and mavsfan1000, why don't you take your long-suffering history as a 4 year long Mavs fan, your hate of Michael Finley and stupid assertion that he was never that good, and go fuck yourself, mkay?

Ah that is better, he comes back cursing again, showing that he is still the first 2 letters short of Class.


DD

[monosylab1k]

OH SHIT, DID I MISS SOMETHING IMPORTANT!!!! :spless:
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/3221/dadakota1wg4.png
nah... :fro

[mavsfan1000]

He won't be able to avoid it.....he is too sensitive....lol, thanks for the quote Mavsfan1000.

Cue the angry curse word filled retort.....which will sound like...

WAH .....WAH.....WAH......I know more about the Mavs.....Wah....wah....wah......no one can have a different opinion about my team...wah...wah....wah.....

:D

DD
Here you go Mono.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Kidd is more competitor type player in playoff than Harris is though this is true I believe.

[monosylab1k]

Here you go Mono.
Hey tell us all about your favorite moments from the 1997 season.....OH WAIT you weren't a fan back then. But you can certainly tell us all about how Finley sucked, right?

[ducks]

Kidd is more competitor type player in playoff than Harris is though this is true I believe.
being a more competitor does not make up for lack of talent and age

[monosylab1k]

I guess if you were a fan in 97-98 you'd have been around to see the Mavs beat the Bulls, and seen Michael Finley outplay Jordan. But I guess if you weren't a fan back then and have the opinion that Finley sucked, you wouldn't care.

[mavsfan1000]

I guess if you were a fan in 97-98 you'd have been around to see the Mavs beat the Bulls, and seen Michael Finley outplay Jordan. But I guess if you weren't a fan back then and have the opinion that Finley sucked, you wouldn't care.
How many champions did Dallas get? Oh that's right they were in the lottery. Finley was a good player though like I said it wasn't enough. You don't need to watch a ton of games to know that.

[monosylab1k]

How many champions did Dallas get? Oh that's right they were in the lottery.
Wow, a Mavs fan using Ring Smack against the....uh....Mavs.

I guess that's what you do when you've only been a fan for 4 years.

[mavsfan1000]

Wow, a Mavs fan using Ring Smack against the....uh....Mavs.

I guess that's what you do when you've only been a fan for 4 years.
Well Mavs of the last 4 years>>>Mavs of 90's. :D Ring smack was making a point in the greatness of Finley was not important as the team weren't contenders. I guess Finley looking good in losses mean a lot to you. I'm glad I didn't have to watch those depressing times.

[monosylab1k]

I guess Finley looking good in losses mean a lot to you.
It means alot to any true fan who really appreciates how far this team has come. It means alot to anybody who realizes the dedication & contributions Finley gave to this franchise.

[leemajors]

I not agree Van Gundy is good coach. He have 2 plays on offense. Give ball T-Mac and let him shoot or pass to you then you shoot or give ball to Yao and let him shoot or pass to you then you shoot. In fact if any player dare not run only these two play he be "doggie house".

If you think such thing make "great coach" this is opinion you have but any person who understand game of basketball will laugh at this opinion. I see many fan of Spurs on forum here say Popovich respect Van Gundy and say he is great coach. Maybe fan here not understand what type person van Gundy is and maybe Popovich do?

Van Gundy have some mental disorder the Napoleon disorder. Popovich can say what he want but he obvious not know what type person he is talk about.
given what van gundy had outside of yao and t-mac, those were pretty much the only options. they sucked at basically every other position, and had to grind games out to win...

[mavsfan1000]

It means alot to any true fan who really appreciates how far this team has come. It means alot to anybody who realizes the dedication & contributions Finley gave to this franchise.
I'll credit Finley for playing hard and his dedication in meaningless games but wish he came up big in more playoff games. I guess I'm bitter that we couldn't get more out of him when it mattered. The same can be said for Dirk though so yeah maybe I'm too harsh on Finley.

[Findog]

I'll credit Finley for playing hard and his dedication in meaningless games but wish he came up big in more playoff games.

:bang :bang :bang

Game 5, 03 Conference Finals???


:bang :bang :bang

[mavsfan1000]

:bang :bang :bang

Game 5, 03 Conference Finals???


:bang :bang :bang
More is the key word. He definitely had his moments but more times than not I've been disappointed. Sacramento, Houston, and Phoenix series in his last 2 years come to mind. I remember being awesome in the regular season in 2002-2003 though.

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I wish this board would boot people who talk like that, it shows a serious lack of intelligence.

Saying that Kidd dominates the ball too much is where the serious lack of intellegence occured.

[stretch]

Awesome, one less troll to worry about.....I respect most people who want to discuss ball, but cursing someone out, and basically being rude is inexcusable.

Good Riddance Monosylab1k, glad to have hardly known ya.

DD
Welcome to internet forums dude. Seriously, if you can't take a few insults here and there, then why post? The whining is far more annoying to the casual reader than the cursing and insulting. In fact people sometimes read forums like these just to laugh at the playful insults that people say. No one gets on though to see people like you whine, because you are too sensitive. And no one is making you stay. If it bugs you that much, then get the fuck out. I'm sure no one here will complain about that.

[Indazone]

Wow, a Mavs fan using Ring Smack against the....uh....Mavs.

I guess that's what you do when you've only been a fan for 4 years.

lol we can talk ring smack if ya wanna. Lets see..how many rings do the Mavs have and how many the Rockets and Spurs got??? Lessee..hmm isn't it 4 NBA titles for the Spurs and 2 for the Rockets and a big GOOSE EGG FOR THE MAVS???? LOL

[monosylab1k]

lol we can talk ring smack if ya wanna. Lets see..how many rings do the Mavs have and how many the Rockets and Spurs got??? Lessee..hmm isn't it 4 NBA titles for the Spurs and 2 for the Rockets and a big GOOSE EGG FOR THE MAVS???? LOL
die.

[Findog]

Ring smack? Only the Pistons and Spurs have a license on that right now.

lol, Ring Smack.

Well, guess what, I'm really a Wizards fan. 1978 NBA Champs, suck on that bitches.

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I was born in Boston, so fuck you all.

16 motherfuckers.

[DaDakota]

I was born in Boston, so fuck you all.

16 motherfuckers.

Well the Celts certainly trump everyone, only the Lakers are even in the same conversation as a franchise.

I can take the insults, I just think they are childish and show a lack of intelligence.

As for Kidd dominating the ball, he does.....he is the one that makes the pass to set up teamates, that is how he plays....fine, but when you have several teamates who need to get theirs off the dribble it causes a log jam, which is what the Mavs have...a group of players who no longer fit together.

But what could I know, I am not a true Mavs fan....ROFLOL...wtf ever.

Just look at the Mavs record since the trade.....SCOREBOARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DD

[mavsfan1000]

I was born in Boston, so fuck you all.

16 motherfuckers.
Hell yeah. 16 rings bitches. Owned

[Indazone]

Hell yeah. 16 rings bitches. Owned

Haha..yeah 16 to the Mav's zero

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Well the Celts certainly trump everyone, only the Lakers are even in the same conversation as a franchise.

I can take the insults, I just think they are childish and show a lack of intelligence.

As for Kidd dominating the ball, he does.....he is the one that makes the pass to set up teamates, that is how he plays....fine, but when you have several teamates who need to get theirs off the dribble it causes a log jam, which is what the Mavs have...a group of players who no longer fit together.

But what could I know, I am not a true Mavs fan....ROFLOL...wtf ever.

Just look at the Mavs record since the trade.....SCOREBOARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DD
and that shows you don't really watch the Mavs. as soon as he brings it up court, he passes it to Dirk, Howard, or Terry, and lets them run the rest of the offense. I don't know how you can say that you catch the Mavericks, and see something completely opposite of myself, when I watch every single Mavericks game.

And ther record has absolutely nothing to do with proving that Kidd dominates the ball. That might be the worst logic you have ever used.

[DaDakota]

Stretch,

I see Kidd doing less of the pass off to Howard, Dirk and Terry than you do I guess.....

And when he does pass off, teams can double more easily because Kidd sucks as a shooter......they WANT him to shoot.

They didn't WANT Harris to shoot...big difference.

DD

[MajorMike]

http://www.netsstore.com/images/custom/main/031708/03.gif

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Stretch,

I see Kidd doing less of the pass off to Howard, Dirk and Terry than you do I guess.....

And when he does pass off, teams can double more easily because Kidd sucks as a shooter......they WANT him to shoot.

They didn't WANT Harris to shoot...big difference.

DD
Actually, we don't WANT him to shoot at all, unless its an open three. We WANT him to penetrate and open the offense up for guys like Howard.

The reason you see less of it, is more than likely because you see far less of the Mavericks than I do.

[stretch]

http://www.netsstore.com/images/custom/main/031708/03.gif
I don't understand why some Mavs fans just hate on Harris now. He is still going to be a very good player in this league. He just wasn't the right fit for us to win a title right now, because he was not developing quick enough, and we don't have much time. We have to win with Dirk in his prime.

EDIT: Another, and possibly the biggest and real reason Devin developed slowly is because of Avery overcoaching him.

[JamStone]

I personally own two pinky rings. One's fake gold though. But, whatever.

Two pinky rings, pimpin'.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

given what van gundy had outside of yao and t-mac, those were pretty much the only options. they sucked at basically every other position, and had to grind games out to win...

Strange how same player sudden become better under Adelman. This "grind game out" is such stupid nonsense. Spurs have good defense and good offense and Rocket team with Adelman good defense and good offense but Rocket team with JVG have good defense and no offense.

JVG is not good coach if he in all year as coach still not learn basic fact that ball must go in hoop to win game.

[The Nba Is Rigged]

I will give this trade one more year but so far I think this trade was a disaster, all of you mavs fans know all I want is for us to succeed but this looks really bad. There is no way Cp3 eats Devin the way he eats J-kidd. Cp3 vs devin = 49% Fg and 7 assists, while Cp3 vs J-kidd is 59% Fg! and 9.5 assists. You can diss me all you want but it seems that this trade is looking pretty bad right now and stats are there to back it up.

[mavsfan1000]

I will give this trade one more year but so far I think this trade was a disaster, all of you mavs fans know all I want is for us to succeed but this looks really bad. There is no way Cp3 eats Devin the way he eats J-kidd. Cp3 vs devin = 49% Fg and 7 assists, while Cp3 vs J-kidd is 59% Fg! and 9.5 assists. You can diss me all you want but it seems that this trade is looking pretty bad right now and stats are there to back it up.
Yeah man. I don't see how waiting one more year is going to help things. Kidd isn't going to get better. Harris and Diop were 2 very important intangible players. I guess the Front Office missed that. We overreacted to our loss to Golden State.

[Elraptor]

This trade is a disaster in m opinion, wtf?? Jason Kidd has been a huge disappointment in my book, while Devin Harris is beginning to blossom in new jersey(22 pts, 15 assts 2night). Let's just face the fact that J-kidd is mediocre and we got raped in this trade. We traded a young potential star, a strong defensive center, a defensive swingman, a youth who's career may go either way, two 1st round picks and 3 million for a guy who is currently averaging 8 pts and 9 assists. Does that sound wise to you? Its the kind of stupid shit that goes down in the Dallas Mavericks Organization. When I first heard the trade rumors I kept saying this was pretty stupid . The things that we really needed imo -

1- A backup Point Guard that was a playmaker. This way Devin Could spend some time at the 2 spot.

2- A change of the offense, most coaches can see the Mavericks offense was mostly Isolation plays and no movement. The offense should have been changed to a motion offense so that way it would be less stagnant. Also the fact that Devin is known for fancy passes and lobs in Nj proves my point. If his assist numbers have gone up on a weak team like the nets can you imagine what his assist numbers would have been for us if didn't run isolations all the time?!

3- A shooting Guard. Eddie Jones is not the answer, Stack is too old to be the answer, Jet is too small be the answer. What they should have done also was to try and get a Sg that can take pressure off Dirk. People say Dirk is a choker but it is easy to "choke" when the defenses are designed to stop you and only you in crunch time. Jet, Stack and Dirk are the only people who can make big shots on this team. And don't even bring up Jason Kidd because his shooting is just plain horrible.

Right now I'm very pissed off, I'll probably go check out Fireavery.com for any updates. Dallas Mavericks Front office = :donkey

:bangIn some ways i agree with this :D

[The Nba Is Rigged]

Yeah man. I don't see how waiting one more year is going to help things. Kidd isn't going to get better. Harris and Diop were 2 very important intangible players. I guess the Front Office missed that. We overreacted to our loss to Golden State.

What we really should have done imo was to get a motion offense, get a decent Sg or Center and then get rid of Avery. But like I said I will still wait until next year and see maybe we can get some good players in the offseason.

[Indazone]

Finally some Mav's fans are beginning to see the light. Will miracles ever cease.

[Holmes_Fans]

Hiring Avery was a disaster.

[dallaskd]

Haha..yeah 16 to the Mav's zero

The Celtics have been around twice as long. Dont bring up rings from 20 and 30 years ago. They're irrelevant to today. Its what you have done lately. Which is NOTHING for both dallas and boston.

[dallaskd]

I'll credit Finley for playing hard and his dedication in meaningless games but wish he came up big in more playoff games. I guess I'm bitter that we couldn't get more out of him when it mattered. The same can be said for Dirk though so yeah maybe I'm too harsh on Finley.

Ill always love finley and everything he brought to this franchise and to the city of dallas. he was a main factor in turning this franchise around. People get sucked into stats to much. Look at Malik Rose's contract and statistics and most people would call him overpaid scrub, but ask any spur fan and they will love the guy for everything he did for that team and the SA community. Ill remember Fin for how he flipped this team upside down not how he flopped in the playoffs. Dirk can be pushed a little harder. He is the star of a winning mavs team and needs to step up and not get bullied by homo thugs like David West.

Oh and if the mavs lose this series...cuban needs to can avery's ass.

[dallaskd]

Hiring Avery was a disaster.

Disagree. I think he is a good coach. thats why he won coty in 05-06. I dont know if hes the right fit for the current mavs team. You cant always blame the coach. the majority of spur fans bitch about pop but they get over it. i think its about getting the right players in place and the mavs just dont have it right now.

[icem]

why are people blaming avery ?

[baseline bum]

I'll credit Finley for playing hard and his dedication in meaningless games but wish he came up big in more playoff games. I guess I'm bitter that we couldn't get more out of him when it mattered. The same can be said for Dirk though so yeah maybe I'm too harsh on Finley.

Um, the game-winner in game 1 of the 03 WCF? Single-handedly dragging the Mavs from down 0-2 to beat Utah in 5?

[Findog]

Um, the game-winner in game 1 of the 03 WCF? Single-handedly dragging the Mavs from down 0-2 to beat Utah in 5?

He's an idiot, pay no attention to him. No real Mavs fan would ever downplay Finley or his accomplishments. Spurs fans know all about Finley both before and after he put on the silver and black. Remember the way he ignited the comeback in G5 of the 03 Conference Finals?

[BATMAN]

rofl

[DaDakota]

What? The trade was a bad one? No......who says?

Come on...it was so obvious....

DD

[Shank]

What? The trade was a bad one? No......who says?

Come on...it was so obvious....

DD

Hey! Look who it is!

[mavsfan1000]

He's an idiot, pay no attention to him. No real Mavs fan would ever downplay Finley or his accomplishments. Spurs fans know all about Finley both before and after he put on the silver and black. Remember the way he ignited the comeback in G5 of the 03 Conference Finals?
Remember how he let T-Mac dominate him and played like crap in game 6 against the Suns or how he totally sucked against the Kings the whole series? Finley after 2003 was worthless for Dallas.

[clambake]

Remember how he let T-Mac dominate him and played like crap in game 6 against the Suns or how he totally sucked against the Kings the whole series? Finley after 2003 was worthless for Dallas.

this statement makes you an "official piece of shit".

[mavsfan1000]

this statement makes you an "official piece of shit".
You are officially a blind homer if you think differently.

[clambake]

hard work and loyalty mean nothing to you.

[mavsfan1000]

hard work and loyalty mean nothing to you.
Yeah he gets paid millions for that. I think the loyalty thing would change if he wasn't given such a big contract. Just saying I wouldn't turn it down. Why argue with a blind homer though? You aren't going to get anywhere.

[clambake]

they all get paid millions, you dumbass.

you can't tell the difference between money and heart.

[monosylab1k]

You are officially a blind homer if you think differently.

You are officially a Bulls fan.

[mavsfan1000]

they all get paid millions, you dumbass.

you can't tell the difference between money and heart.
Yes and all should be playing with heart with all the money they get to do so. Is that too much to ask? Yeah I guess there are some idiots in the nba and Finley definitely isn't one of those but the objective is to play well in the big games. Sadly Finley wasn't able to do that with Dallas after 2003. Is that too hard to admit that he faultered?

[mavsfan1000]

You are officially a Bulls fan.
You type with your heart and not your mind. That is your problem.

[monosylab1k]

You type with your heart and not your mind. That is your problem.

so what's your take on this? http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92831

[mavsfan1000]

so what's your take on this? http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92831
Ah here we go again with these childish insults. Just talk about the topic in hand instead of getting in a war of trash talking. I guess there is nothing else left after that since about 90% of your post are like that.

[ancestron]

Giving up Devin Harris and Lasagna Slop was a terrible idea. Dallas should've stuck to their guns and not gotten trade happy just because other teams were making big moves. From what I saw, Devin Harris had developed nicely, and when he played confidently brought a swagger to the rest of the team. Dallas did win 67 games last year. Plus the kid was fast as shit and could handle Parker, Nash, and probably would've been a better matchup against Chris Paul. Young Chirs Paul is eating J. Kidd's lunch right now. It's too bad Mark Cuban makes the big decisions because he doesn't know shit about basketball.

[monosylab1k]

Ah here we go again with these childish insults. Just talk about the topic in hand instead of getting in a war of trash talking. I guess there is nothing else left after that since about 90% of your post are like that.

What team were you rooting for during Michael Finley's prime?

[mavsfan1000]

Giving up Devin Harris and Lasagna Slop was a terrible idea. Dallas should've stuck to their guns and not gotten trade happy just because other teams were making big moves. From what I saw, Devin Harris had developed nicely, and when he played confidently brought a swagger to the rest of the team. Dallas did win 67 games last year. Plus the kid was fast as shit and could handle Parker, Nash, and probably would've been a better matchup against Chris Paul. Young Chirs Paul is eating J. Kidd's lunch right now. It's too bad Mark Cuban makes the big decisions because he doesn't know shit about basketball.
I agree totally. Chris Paul would not be lighting up Harris as much as Kidd. Paul would definitely score a lot but he wouldn't become Michael Jordan against us with Harris.

[Avitus1]

Poor Dirk.

[clambake]

Giving up Devin Harris and Lasagna Slop was a terrible idea. Dallas should've stuck to their guns and not gotten trade happy just because other teams were making big moves. From what I saw, Devin Harris had developed nicely, and when he played confidently brought a swagger to the rest of the team. Dallas did win 67 games last year. Plus the kid was fast as shit and could handle Parker, Nash, and probably would've been a better matchup against Chris Paul. Young Chirs Paul is eating J. Kidd's lunch right now. It's too bad Mark Cuban makes the big decisions because he doesn't know shit about basketball.

yeah, because the mavs were great before cuban came along.:rolleyes

[DarrinS]

yeah, because the mavs were great before cuban came along.:rolleyes



Just because he's willing to open his wallet doesn't mean he knows anything about basketball.

[clambake]

Just because he's willing to open his wallet doesn't mean he knows anything about basketball.

yeah, because the mavs were great before cuban came along.:rolleyes

[Shank]

Just because he's willing to open his wallet doesn't mean he knows anything about basketball.

I'm sure every owner in the league is a basketball Einstein.

[SAGambler]

When is management going to realize a guy at 36 is not what that guy was at 26?

Every year takes away another step, a few more aches and pains. You can be the greatest in the world, but you can't ever beat father time and age wearing you down.

[ancestron]

yeah, because the mavs were great before cuban came along.:rolleyes

yeah, and they are so much better with him.

[dallaskd]

Lasagna Slop

:lol havnt heard that before.

[Amare_32]

That will be poetic justice for Byron Scott if he can send Kidd packing after Kidd got him fired from New Jersey.

[Indazone]

Kidd will have enough gas to be a backup PG till he's about 38 then he'll retire.

[dirk4mvp]

yeah, and they are so much better with him.


Check before Cuban/after Cuban, dipshit.

[DaDakota]

Cuban has made major mistakes lately.....he did a great job of building the team but him being so antsy and him having to make a big splash has killed this team.

If he keeps Nash, they probably win a championship or two....if he keeps Harris, they are a much bigger threat in this year's playoffs.

Cuban has no one to blame but himself for meddling too much.

DD

[dirk4mvp]

If he keeps Nash, they probably win a championship or two....



Not really, you fucking moron.

[DaDakota]

Not really, you fucking moron.

What a well thought out response, maybe you just didn't have time because the short bus was at your door and you had to get to school.

Kids...SHEESH !

DD

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What a well thought out response, maybe you just didn't have time because the short bus was at your door and you had to get to school.

Kids...SHEESH !

DD

It didn't need a well thought out response because your statement about Nash was so fucking stupid to begin with.

[ancestron]

Check before Cuban/after Cuban, dipshit.

Before Cuban- 0 championships

After Cuban- 0 championships, and it sure as hell don't look too good this year either, asslicker.

[DaDakota]

It didn't need a well thought out response because your statement about Nash was so fucking stupid to begin with.

Ah, you are right, the Mavs didn't need a 2 time MVP at the point, they would rather spend the money on Eric Dampier.

My bad.

;)

DD

[monosylab1k]

Ah, you are right, the Mavs didn't need a 2 time MVP at the point

he wasn't a 2 time MVP at the point.

[Findog]

Ah, you are right, the Mavs didn't need a 2 time MVP at the point, they would rather spend the money on Eric Dampier.

My bad.

;)

DD

How come they got better without him? Nash may have been the "MVP" twice, but at best he's a top-15 to 20 player. Those awards don't mean letting him walk was a mistake.

Dallas was a perennial second-round exit with Nash, Dirk, Fin and the Mormon. They went in a different direction and got better. There's a huge difference between the personnel and offense D'Antoni runs in Phoenix and what Dallas does. Resigning him doesn't mean Dallas would've been getting the player Phoenix did. And for all of Nash's greatness in Phoenix, the Suns haven't accomplished as much as Dallas has in that time. It worked out for Dallas, Phoenix and Nash.

Question: Why is Tyson Chandler a stud in New Orleans but was a big back of suck in Chicago?

[monosylab1k]

Okay I just heard that Dwyane Wade and Star Jones are dating. Now that's comedy.

The most overrated player in basketball with maybe the most worthless presence on TV, paired together.

[Findog]

Okay I just heard that Dwyane Wade and Star Jones are dating. Now that's comedy.

The most overrated player in basketball with maybe the most worthless presence on TV, paired together.


I've seen his ex-wife, she's much hotter than Star Jones. I guess D-Whistle enjoys putting it in her gastric hole?

[monosylab1k]

I've seen his ex-wife, she's much hotter than Star Jones. I guess D-Whistle enjoys putting it in her gastric hole?

lol

it seems fitting - she had a fake marriage to a gay man, and he has a fake championship given to him by Fuehrer Stern.

[The Nba Is Rigged]

I didn't hear about this before, ROFL AT D-FAKE:http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1426/roflue9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[DarrinS]

I didn't hear about this before, ROFL AT D-FAKE:http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1426/roflue9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Please tell me that is a joke.

[clambake]

thats just disturbing.

[Steve_Javie]

Rofl

[Indazone]

How come they got better without him? Nash may have been the "MVP" twice, but at best he's a top-15 to 20 player. Those awards don't mean letting him walk was a mistake.

Dallas was a perennial second-round exit with Nash, Dirk, Fin and the Mormon. They went in a different direction and got better. There's a huge difference between the personnel and offense D'Antoni runs in Phoenix and what Dallas does. Resigning him doesn't mean Dallas would've been getting the player Phoenix did. And for all of Nash's greatness in Phoenix, the Suns haven't accomplished as much as Dallas has in that time. It worked out for Dallas, Phoenix and Nash.

Question: Why is Tyson Chandler a stud in New Orleans but was a big back of suck in Chicago?

Exactly the reason Kidd shined in NJ and sucks with the Mavs. It's the system not the player!

[clambake]

avery is the system.

[dirk4mvp]

Before Cuban- 0 championships

After Cuban- 0 championships, and it sure as hell don't look too good this year either, asslicker.

It must feel so good to be on the spurs bandwagon.

[ancestron]

It must feel so good to be on the spurs bandwagon.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n186/Bouge11/FUNNY/weaksauce.jpg

[dirk4mvp]

I can't see that pic. But I'm sure it's something lame though.

[ancestron]

Its a big bottle of weak sauce. just for you.

[dallaskd]

yeah, and they are so much better with him.

you are a dumbass. cuban completely flipped the mavs upside down and are much better than before he came.

[dallaskd]

Ah, you are right, the Mavs didn't need a 2 time MVP at the point, they would rather spend the money on Eric Dampier.

My bad.

;)

DD

Im pretty sure Nash wasnt a 2 time MVP with the mavs.

[Findog]

Honestly, who really gives a shit about Nash's MVP awards? Is he the best player in the League? Would he have done in Dallas what he did in Phoenix? No and No.

They don't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Dirk's got one too, and I bet if you talked to both him and his little buddy, they'd trade them in a heartbeat for a very different kind of hardware.

[Red Hawk #21]

Look what I found, Bump

[Indazone]

Just pickup Shawn Marion and Ron Artest in the offseason and voila! Mavs are back in the game.

[DaDakota]

I told you so.

[peskypesky]

I said the Kidd trade was idiotic when it happened and I was right. Same goes for the Shaq trade. STUPID STUPID STUPID.

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