Kurt Thomas

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I want this guy to get a lot more minutes. I love the way he plays with Manu on the floor, and his rebounding has been a nice plus. It's also a nice asset to have a Center who can hit a shot outside of 10 feet consistently (so no, Elson doesn't count)


What I want to know is if other Spurs fans are happy with K Thomas so far, or if you were expecting more/less out of him.

I think he could be a very solid contributor off the bench for us, and while he's not as quick as Oberto, I actually prefer having Thomas out there than Fabricio (whose inconsistency has been puzzling at times)

[Sense]

My avatar says it all...

This guy's gonna be great for the playoffs

[T Park]

I think hes been fine.

Theres been times were teams went small and DUncan and him can't be both on the court for that.

I think him coming off the bench and playing the main big with Manu Vaughn Udoka and Horry is the perfect role.

[ducks]

tp and kurt were doing well together to
but manu needs some help and a big man when duncan and tp rest

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I don't know how much I like the TP/KT combo.

If anything, I think they still haven't quite figured out how to play with each other just yet.

[T Park]

They're fine together.

[ducks]

the church of manu is in full session

[Amuseddaysleeper]

:lol


That wasn't a knock on TP at all, I just think the pick and roll seems to be working much better with Manu and KT than it does with KT and TP

[ducks]

:lol


That wasn't a knock on TP at all, I just think the pick and roll seems to be working much better with Manu and KT than it does with KT and TP
it is against usually the second string of the other team

[timvp]

He's been about average so far. He's not playing better than I expected and he's not playing poorly. I do think some Spurs fans overrated him but Thomas has now settled into a good role off the bench. He's not a big man savior but he is pretty damn solid.

It'll be interesting to see how he does come playoff time.

[SenorSpur]

I like what I see so far. In fact, I've loved his game for years. He's is a steady contributor. I like that he brings rebounding and physicality to the team. Qualities that were sorely needed.

[boutons_]

I like him. I do wish he was a little more fleet of foot and brought more energy. He's smart, has some good fundamentals, but I'd like to see more energy.

Maybe he'll ignite a bit in the playoffs

[ploto]

He's been about average so far. He's not playing better than I expected and he's not playing poorly. I do think some Spurs fans overrated him but Thomas has now settled into a good role off the bench. He's not a big man savior but he is pretty damn solid.
Is he worth $9M next season?

[timvp]

Is he worth $9M next season?No. Luckily he'll half that -- at most.

[ducks]

Is he worth $9M next season?
no and rasho is not either

[ploto]

No. Luckily he'll half that -- at most.

What do you mean? He has another year left on his contract and that is what he is owed for next season.

[ploto]

no and rasho is not either
Making my point for me. Thanks. How is this any different than having Rasho's contract that expires at the same time and is actually a little less. Thomas is coming off the bench, not playing all that much, and does not play when teams go small. He is touted for his smarts, his defense, and his mid-range jump shot.

[timvp]

What do you mean? He has another year left on his contract and that is what he is owed for next season.
Incorrect. (http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm)

[Kindergarten Cop]

What do you mean? He has another year left on his contract and that is what he is owed for next season.

Are you sure? Hoopshype has him listed as an UFA next season.


http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

[Kindergarten Cop]

Incorrect. (http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm)

Beat me to it. :toast

[ploto]

Sorry- you are both wrong. Kurt signed a four year $30M deal. It has one more year on it.

[timvp]

Sorry- you are both wrong. Kurt signed a four year $30M deal. It has one more year on it.We've already gone over this countless times. Thomas' contract expires at the end of the season.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Sorry- you are both wrong. Kurt signed a four year $30M deal. It has one more year on it.

He signed that in March of '04. That's 04/05, 05/06, 06/07, and this season (07/08).

[ploto]

03/09/04: The Knicks signed Kurt Thomas to a 4 year, $30.9 million contract extension. He is now signed through the 2008-09 season.

[timvp]

No one can accuse ploto of not being stubborn. :tu

[Kindergarten Cop]

03/09/04: The Knicks signed Kurt Thomas to a 4 year, $30.9 million contract extension. He is now signed through the 2008-09 season.

Link?

[pad300]

Making my point for me. Thanks. How is this any different than having Rasho's contract that expires at the same time and is actually a little less. Thomas is coming off the bench, not playing all that much, and does not play when teams go small. He is touted for his smarts, his defense, and his mid-range jump shot.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=2008freeagents


San Antonio Spurs

Restricted: None

Unrestricted: Brent Barry, Michael Finley, Robert Horry, Damon Stoudamire, Kurt Thomas, Jacque Vaughn (P)

Limited Salary Protection: None

Bolded for the Clue Impaired...

What point. Kurt ain't getting 9 Million next year. I personally don't expect him to get more than $ 8 Million/ 2 years from the spurs... and I would guess closer to $6 Million/ 2 years. (Fitting in nicely with the 2010 plan).

[K-State Spur]

03/09/04: The Knicks signed Kurt Thomas to a 4 year, $30.9 million contract extension. He is now signed through the 2008-09 season.

unfortunately, those two items are mutually exclusive.

it'd be like signing a 2 year contract extension this year that runs through 2025-2026...

[Dre_7]

03/09/04: The Knicks signed Kurt Thomas to a 4 year, $30.9 million contract extension. He is now signed through the 2008-09 season.

Timvp gave a link. Where is yours?

[td4mvp21]

Making my point for me. Thanks. How is this any different than having Rasho's contract that expires at the same time and is actually a little less. Thomas is coming off the bench, not playing all that much, and does not play when teams go small. He is touted for his smarts, his defense, and his mid-range jump shot.

The main difference is that Thomas isn't a pussy like Rasho. That's enough for me!

[ploto]

TRANSACTIONS

03/09/04: The Knicks signed Kurt Thomas to a 4 year, $30.9 million contract extension. He is now signed through the 2008-09 season.

http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/74/kurt_thomas/

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Player
Thomas, Kurt

Year Team Annual Salary Contract Yrs Contract Amt Contract Thru Position

2006-07 Suns $ 7,821,482 4 $ 30,000,000 2008-09 F-C
2005-06 Suns $ 6,620,000 4 $ 30,000,000 2008-09 C
2004-05 Knicks $ 5,884,500 4 $ 30,000,000 2008-09 F
2003-04 Knicks $ 5,394,000 3 $ 13,000,000 2003-04 (p) C
2002-03 Knicks $ 4,903,750 3 $ 13,000,000 2003-04 (t) C
2001-02 Knicks $ 4,413,375 5 $ 23,000,000 2004-05 C

http://content.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=T&player=388

[Extra Stout]

03/09/04: The Knicks signed Kurt Thomas to a 4 year, $30.9 million contract extension. He is now signed through the 2008-09 season.
That's incorrect. The deal expires at the end of this season. I know you want it to be for another year, because that would be bad for the Spurs, and you're still bitter about their trading a marginal player that you stalk, and therefore you want to see them fail, but unfortunately it isn't.

[ploto]

unfortunately, those two items are mutually exclusive.

it'd be like signing a 2 year contract extension this year that runs through 2025-2026...
No- the extension can be tacked onto the contract he already had.

If you add up the numbers for the 4 years you have listed, Kurt made nowhere near $30M dollars.

[Kindergarten Cop]

TRANSACTIONS

03/09/04: The Knicks signed Kurt Thomas to a 4 year, $30.9 million contract extension. He is now signed through the 2008-09 season.

http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/74/kurt_thomas/

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Player
Thomas, Kurt

Year Team Annual Salary Contract Yrs Contract Amt Contract Thru Position

2006-07 Suns $ 7,821,482 4 $ 30,000,000 2008-09 F-C
2005-06 Suns $ 6,620,000 4 $ 30,000,000 2008-09 C
2004-05 Knicks $ 5,884,500 4 $ 30,000,000 2008-09 F
2003-04 Knicks $ 5,394,000 3 $ 13,000,000 2003-04 (p) C
2002-03 Knicks $ 4,903,750 3 $ 13,000,000 2003-04 (t) C
2001-02 Knicks $ 4,413,375 5 $ 23,000,000 2004-05 C

http://content.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=T&player=388

You do the math on that scenario. His contract with the Knicks before he signed the 4 year extension was set to expire in the 2003-04 season (as I've hilighted in your quote above). He then signs a 4 year extension in March of '04, right before he becomes a FA. That would have him signed for 04/05 (1st season), 05/06 (2nd season), 06/07 (3rd season), and 07/08 (4th and final season).

EDIT: Also look at the numbers you posted - it has 4 years/$30 million listed for his last three seasons without including this current season. This is the 4th year of his deal and he will be a FA at year's end.

[timvp]

The bad info floating around the internets was pointed about about three months ago. It's already been proven false.

Besides, every article announcing the draft has Thomas as an unrestricted free agent after the season. ESPN trade machine, which gets its info from the NBA, has Thomas as a free agent after the year. Both SA and Seattle beat writers have said Thomas is a FA.

But I guess if you want to believe bad info, not much we can do.

[ss1986v2]

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/spurs.jsp
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm
http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/07-08salaries.htm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=2008freeagents
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2943588
http://www.nbaobsessed.com/kurt-thomas-trade-great-for-sonics/
http://basketball.fanboom.com/nba/2008-nba-free-agent-rankings.html
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77861

these are just off the top of my head, plus 5 seconds to do a google search.

do if have to find of picture of the dvd rewinder...

[ploto]

If I am wrong then I believed the 2 wrong web sites because I checked before I asked the question. I did not pull the expiration date of his contract out of my ass.

[K-State Spur]

TRANSACTIONS

03/09/04: The Knicks signed Kurt Thomas to a 4 year, $30.9 million contract extension. He is now signed through the 2008-09 season.

http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/74/kurt_thomas/

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Player
Thomas, Kurt

Year Team Annual Salary Contract Yrs Contract Amt Contract Thru Position

2006-07 Suns $ 7,821,482 4 $ 30,000,000 2008-09 F-C
2005-06 Suns $ 6,620,000 4 $ 30,000,000 2008-09 C
2004-05 Knicks $ 5,884,500 4 $ 30,000,000 2008-09 F
2003-04 Knicks $ 5,394,000 3 $ 13,000,000 2003-04 (p) C
2002-03 Knicks $ 4,903,750 3 $ 13,000,000 2003-04 (t) C
2001-02 Knicks $ 4,413,375 5 $ 23,000,000 2004-05 C

http://content.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=T&player=388

you do realize that you bolded 3 of the 4 contract years ending with last season? Is he playing this year for free?

[ShoogarBear]

Add another item to the list of things ploto believes that aren't true.

[ChuckD]

If I am wrong then I believed the 2 wrong web sites because I checked before I asked the question. I did not pull the expiration date of his contract out of my ass.
I'm not sure anyone said you got them from there. I do, however, believe that you are a bitter bitch who wants to believe anything she finds on the net that makes something difficult or bad for the Spurs.

[ChumpDumper]

Spurs should have traded Rasho for Kurt when they had the chance.

[ChumpDumper]

TRANSACTIONS

03/09/04: The Knicks signed Kurt Thomas to a 4 year, $30.9 million contract extension. He is now signed through the 2008-09 season.

http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/74/kurt_thomas/Funny.

You might want to check the free agent list for this summer on the same site:

http://realgm.com/src_freeagents/2008/

[ChumpDumper]

In addition to a 2009 first-round pick, the trade for Thomas netted seldom-used center Francisco Elson and injured guard Brent Barry, a former Sonic from 1999 to 2004. Both players have contracts that expire after the season, and it's likely that Barry, who has missed the past 3 ½ weeks with a left calf strain, will be offered a buyout on his $5.4 million contract....

....In 42 games, Thomas started 39 and averaged 7.5 points and 8.8 rebounds. Presti felt a need to trade the 35-year-old center, an unrestricted free agent this summer, rather than let him walk away for nothing.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sonics/2004193001_sonix210.html


Is this enough?

[T Park]

Spurs should have traded Rasho for Kurt when they had the chance.


Agreed 1000%.

[Brutalis]

KT is slower than he ever was in his career. But that's okay however because he rarely over-commits on plays in the paint and happens to be in good places at good times. We will see a lot more of him in the playoffs I am sure of.

[peskypesky]

I'm a little disappointed in Kurt, but I think I was expecting too much. Especially since he's not getting a lot of minutes. And he's still new to the system. I'm still expecting him to be a solid contributor in the playoffs.

[sassystriker]

I really don't know Thomas, kinda why I don't have any expectations when he was signed.

But I really like the addition of Kurt in our team. He goes after an offensive rebound which our team kinda lacks, defense is acceptable, he can shoot jump shots plus he and Manu had quickly developed good pick and roll chemistry.

[jag]

I'm a little disappointed in Kurt, but I think I was expecting too much. Especially since he's not getting a lot of minutes. And he's still new to the system. I'm still expecting him to be a solid contributor in the playoffs.

He's done well, he's a role player and he's found a good role. Like you said, he's not being expected to do too much with the limited mintues.

If you really wanna see a let down, wait for Brent to come back and have ONE bad game. This place might erupt with "Brent should have gone to PHX" threads.

[JackArse]

from a suns fan, this was the last year of hsi contract.

[Kindergarten Cop]

KT is slower than he ever was in his career. But that's okay however because he rarely over-commits on plays in the paint and happens to be in good places at good times. We will see a lot more of him in the playoffs I am sure of.

I've noticed this too, but the thing that I think that impresses me the most is his strength and the fact that he rarely bites on fakes.

[Extra Stout]

If I am wrong then I believed the 2 wrong web sites, over the 150 correct ones, because I have huge confirmation bias against the Spurs. I did not pull the expiration date of his contract out of my ass. I keep lots of Rasho memorabilia in there, so there isn't room for anything else.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lmao

[duncan228]

...Beno is an Unrestricted Free agent..
...What do you think the odds are that THOMAS will be here next year and not BENO!??!?!?!?

Did I miss something?
Is Beno still a Spur?

[Kobayagi]

So he is USELESS!!!



Kurt and Brent are Spurs saviors. Oh, yeah, and Damon too. If you can't see this, you don't know shit about basketball.




:lol :devil

[thousandth]

Well done,Rodney21a! In a sarcastic way?.

[ChumpDumper]

We traded Beno for Kurt?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

We traded Beno for Kurt?
If we did that's one hell of a steal.

[da_suns_fan]

I hate this guy. I think He makes WAY to much for a man of his abilities. Bottom Line is that the ONLY reason he makes the CAKE he is making is because Everybody in NEWYORK is a bunch IDIOTS!!!

He is old. He probably WONT be back next year in the NBA.


I deleted the rest of this book because I just had to comment on this.

Im sure the Suns would GLADLY take Kurt Thomas back. I know he's not Scola, but his game really doesn't have any downside and he's a great leader and locker-room presence.

No, he doesn't desrve the 8 million that he's getting, but Im sure any team would like his services for 3-5.

[Bruno]

Thomas has been very average. He is a solid vet but he ahsn't been worht the first round pick given up to get him.

However, the true and only test will be the playoffs. We will then see if Thomas is able to help Spurs when it really counts.

[Agloco]

.....Pop has a OLD MAN FETISH....

Rumor has it that Pop also loves Larry O'Brien Trophies........