FISA Fables - 9/11

[Nbadan]

OK, new 9/11 thread: This time, no one was complicit in attacking the U.S., (save that for the other 911 thread) but the Bush Administration 'stretched the truth' about what they knew, when they knew it, and what they did about it...

Did Mukasey spill the beans over the weekend?

Mukasey hints US had attack warning before 9/11
David Edwards and Muriel Kane - April 1, 2008 -


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Mukasey argued that officials "shouldn't need a warrant when somebody with a phone in Iraq picks up a phone and calls somebody in the United States because that's the call that we may really want to know about. And before 9/11, that's the call that we didn't know about. We knew that there has been a call from someplace that was known to be a safe house in Afghanistan and we knew that it came to the United States. We didn't know precisely where it went."

Blogger Glenn Greenwald picked up on Mukasey's statement, suggesting, "If what Muskasey said this week is true -- and that's a big 'if' -- his revelation about this Afghan call that the administration knew about but didn't intercept really amounts to one of the most potent indictments yet about the Bush administration's failure to detect the plot in action. Contrary to his false claims, FISA -- for multiple reasons -- did not prevent eavesdropping on that call."

Keith Olbermann has now featured the story on MSNBC's Countdown. "What?" Olbermann asked incredulously after quoting Mukasey. "The government knew about some phone call from a safe house in Afghanistan into the U.S. about 9/11? Before 9/11? ... You didn't do anything about it?"

"Either the attorney general just admitted that the government for which he works is guilty of malfeasant complicity in the 9/11 attacks," Olbermann commented, "or he's lying."

Rawstory (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Mukasey_US_had_attack_evidence_before_0401.html)

[Nbadan]

:hat

[Nbadan]

Tearful lies



These are multiple falsehoods here, and independently, this whole claim makes no sense. There is also a pretty startling new revelation here about the Bush administration's pre-9/11 failure that requires a good amount of attention.

Even under the "old" FISA, no warrants are required where the targeted person is outside the U.S. (Afghanistan) and calls into the U.S. Thus, if it's really true, as Mukasey now claims, that the Bush administration knew about a Terrorist in an Afghan safe house making Terrorist-planning calls into the U.S., then they could have -- and should have -- eavesdropped on that call and didn't need a warrant to do so. So why didn't they? Mukasey's new claim that FISA's warrant requirements prevented discovery of the 9/11 attacks and caused the deaths of 3,000 Americans is disgusting and reckless, because it's all based on the lie that FISA required a warrant for targeting the "Afghan safe house." It just didn't. Nor does the House FISA bill require individual warrants when targeting a non-U.S. person outside the U.S.

Independently, even if there had been a warrant requirement for that call -- and there unquestionably was not -- why didn't the Bush administration obtain a FISA warrant to listen in on 9/11-planning calls from this "safe house"? Independently, why didn't the administration invoke FISA's 72-hour emergency warrantless window to listen in on those calls? If what Muskasey said this week is true -- and that's a big "if" -- his revelation about this Afghan call that the administration knew about but didn't intercept really amounts to one of the most potent indictments yet about the Bush administration's failure to detect the plot in action. Contrary to his false claims, FISA -- for multiple reasons -- did not prevent eavesdropping on that call.

Mukasey was even more dishonest in demanding amnesty for lawbreaking telecoms. According to today's admiring Wall St. Journal Editorial, this is what Mukasey said on that subject:

The AG also addressed why immunity from lawsuits is vital for the telecom companies that cooperated with the surveillance after 9/11. "Forget the liability" the phone companies face, Mr. Mukasey said. "We face the prospect of disclosure in open court of what they did, which is to say the means and the methods by which we collect foreign intelligence against foreign targets." Al Qaeda would love that.
Mike Mukasey was a long-time federal judge and so I feel perfectly comfortable calling that what it is: a brazen lie. Federal courts hear classified information with great regularity and it is not heard in "open court." There are numerous options available to any federal judge to hear classified information -- closed courtrooms, in camera review (in chambers only), ex parte communications (communications between one party and the judge only). No federal judge -- and certainly not Vaughn Walker, the Bush 41 appointee presiding over the telecom cases -- is going to allow "disclosure in open court of . . . . the means and the methods by which we collect foreign intelligence." And Mukasey knows that.

Salon (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/29/mukasey/index.html)

[boutons_]

Mukasey is turning to be just another dubya house lawyer, like Gonzo, rather than AG for all the people.

All these dubya/Repug/neo-cunt people add up one stinking pile of shit. They are totally useless except to themselves.

McCain would be more of the same shit. He's a lot smarter than dubya, but he's still pretty stupid.

And yes, 9/11 was a failure of people not doing their jobs, from dubya and Condi on down through FBI/CIA/NSA, rather than anyone being restricted by laws and FISA.

I'm sure the RNC will have access to all the DNC and candidate's communications.

[ChumpDumper]

What a stunningly stupid thing for the AG to say.

[Wild Cobra]

I heard about this. Thing is, they didn't have enough translators to translate the pertinent intercepts in time. No lies or deceptions, just TMI. Think they spoke in English... Anyone... Bueller... Bueller...

End of my participation in such a stupid thread.

[ChumpDumper]

That would make sense had he been calling for more translators in that exchange.

[xrayzebra]

That would make sense had he been calling for more translators in that exchange.

Might like to read this little article, Chump.


Army Recruiting (http://www.newsroomamerica.com/usa/story.php?id=412180)

[ChumpDumper]

You guys really are stupid.

You are trying to make this about translators.

Mukasey didn't say anything about translators.

Read those two sentences several times slowly and have it sink in.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I heard about this. Thing is, they didn't have enough translators to translate the pertinent intercepts in time. No lies or deceptions, just TMI. Think they spoke in English... Anyone... Bueller... Bueller...

End of my participation in such a stupid thread.


:rolleyes